We sit down with special guest Guy Rosefelt to dive into his incredible career spanning cybersecurity, live entertainment production, and major pop culture events like Comic-Con and the Saturn Awards. We explore behind-the-scenes stories from Hollywood, discuss the evolution of fandom culture, and reflect on creativity, storytelling, and why imperfection is often the key to success.
In this episode, we welcome Guy Rosefelt—engineer, event producer, and longtime contributor to the worlds of film, television, and Comic-Con culture—for a wide-ranging and deeply entertaining conversation.
We kick things off by exploring Guy’s unique career path, from engineering and Air Force service to working behind the scenes in live entertainment production. His journey highlights how creative problem-solving and execution—not perfection—are often the real keys to success in both art and life.
From there, we dive into his work with major events like the Saturn Awards and Palm Springs Comic Con, unpacking what it takes to manage fans, talent, and massive crowds. Guy shares insights into building fan experiences, including the challenges of balancing diehard fandom with celebrity-driven hype.
We also get into Comic-Con culture, debating the value of Hall H versus smaller panels, and why some of the best experiences happen off the main stage. The conversation highlights how fandom has evolved—and how community remains at the center of it all.
Along the way, we swap stories about movies, TV, and pop culture—from deep cuts like Max Headroom to blockbuster discussions and “movies we’ve never seen.” We also touch on Hollywood trends like legacy sequels and what keeps audiences coming back.
Guy also reflects on his early ambitions in the space program, including how the Challenger disaster reshaped his career trajectory—a powerful reminder of how unpredictable life paths can be.
Ultimately, this episode is about creativity, connection, and the passion that fuels both fandom and storytelling. Whether you’re into movies, Comic-Con culture, or behind-the-scenes Hollywood insights, this conversation is packed with humor, perspective, and unforgettable stories.
Welcome to the Never Seen It Podcast.
The only podcast called Never Seen It That's worth listening to With
us tonight, Mr. Arnie, The One Man, Party, a.k.
Arnold Calo is here.
Mr. Daily Dares, aka.
Filipino Grigio, aka.
Alex Calo, the Brothers, Calo, Mr. 88
aka.
Justin Holton.
And then there's me, Boots too big, aka.
Adrian Bellatoria.
We have a special guest tonight.
He is the technical producer on the
Academy of Science, Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror Films, Saturn Awards for the last four years.
He's also been an academy member for almost 40 years
with a long career in both cybersecurity and entertainment, with both crossing over.
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome also the director of the Justics for
the Palm Springs Comic Con, Mr. Guy Rosfeld is with us tonight, Guy.
Thank you so much for being on the show.
Thank you for having me
Yeah, there's a little delayed clapping.
I should have played that a lot sooner.
But yeah, I'll just say really quick.
Well we were at the 53rd annual Saturn Awards a few weeks ago now,
which was a really great time, exhilarating time.
We were there with Alex Arnold, thanks to you guys as well.
So thank you again for that for inviting us. and I know that you and Alex have a long shared history.
So, Alex, why don't you tell us a little bit about that?
Yeah, so, Guy
thank you for joining us again.
You know, I really appreciate it.
You know, you're one of the best
people to know, you know, in the world.
And, but not just that, but
also you have a lot of connections to the comic book and art world
sci-fi, television, movies, all that sort of stuff.
And like we met during one of our
first Palm Sts Comic- Con events, which was free comic book the, right?
And I don't know the specifics on how we met, but I do remember you approaching me
and he's like, hey, I can help.
I know how to deal this sort of stuff.
And like, yeah, I don't know how to doing some of that stuff.
And I'm a guy who likes to
hand off stuff because I'm I'm more of an idea person.
Like, you are this person who
knows how to take ideas
and to your best ability.
How did you get involved with that sort of stuff to be
able to help?
I'm an engineer.
That's my, I have two degrees in engineering, right?
That's what I've done all my life.
And basically an engineer is someone that takes an idea or something and makes it into something, right?
That's that's, they try to implement it.
That's that's what I've really been good at
You know?
Sometimes I'm good at the ideas, but I' more, I enjoy making
things work, making things happen, you know?
And I've spent a lot of time doing entertainment.
I started doing live theater
production when I was 15 years old in high school.
First show I did was was like a Beatle Mia touring company
and I went backstage to meet the band at 15.
And instead of kicking me out, they got
me rolling cables, and that started my whole big thing.
And after that, I was doing in high school, I
was probably doing on over like 200 shows a year.
I was doing big names, lots of jazz type stuff.
I was a Count Basie for seven years.
I did Mayn Ferguson's T Hot Tour 1980.
with a lot of people before they passed away.
I did we have one of the big things used to have here was
the dinosaur golf tournament here in the desert.
You guys know this. you guys haven't lived here, right?
So I did Din Shore for seven, eight years.
And what Dinah Shore did
is during the middle of the golf tournament or Wednesday, they
would have this big celebrity sponsored dinner where they'd have a dinner
and all the athletes would come and all the PG&E
sponsor would come down and wherever they were at that time.
And then Dinah would get on up after dinner
and she performed with like five or six of her closest friends
So I was responsible for putting that show together with the people that worked with her.
So I was with Frank Sinatra, before he died, Glenn
Campbell before he passed away, which was it sounds sad because I
remember with all these people and then he passed away and it was like, I killed them all off.
It's
You met Sinatra, though.
Yeah.
So I've been doing productions for a long time.
He's actually on the FBI's Most Wanted right now.
Don't laugh.
I was kicked out of Canada once for permanently.
So on.
You said permanently?
Permanently for like about two days, I was kicked out of can liver for permanently.
Wow.
Oh, gosh.
I was banned from the company.
Banned from the country.
That's the surf for another time.
Anyway, so I did production like that stuff.
I went to the Air Force, and when you go into the Air Force, I spend a lot time traveling on planes, going and doing stuff.
But the problem was it's a big bureaucracy.
You do a lot of things it goes into the system and you don't see things happen like like weeks and weeks and weeks.
So I kept my weekend gig and my side gig and doing production stuff
and doing a lot of stuff because I like when you do a show, it's immediate like this, right?
Something goes wrong, I got to fix it right away, that kind of stuff.
So I've been doing a lot of stuff.
I've done television, I've done fun film, a lot.
I prefer the live production type stuff.
I've done concerts.
I've done beauty pageants.
I was with Miss California for seven years
Miss Nevada, USA for a couple years.
I did a whole bunch of international pageants.
I used to light the International
Federation of Bodybuilding, Latin
American Caribbean Championshipips for six years, I think, which was actually cool.
They had it in a different country every year.
Wow That was kind of fun working with ESPN.
So I've done a lot of crap.
And then my day job is basically being in charge of cyber security
Wow So, like
Adrian said, you know, I have a background cyber security, I have a background entertainment.
Sometimes I've had customers that I have to pass over where,
you know, organizations got hacked for whatever reason.
And I had to go help them solve that kind of problem.
I have my own selfish question I have to ask.
Did you ever meet Don Rickles?
Yes.
Tell me about that.
I have about.
I was really, really in.
Oh, so, okay..
One of the things I used to do, we used to have here in Palm
Springs was Desert Charities.
It was an annual event. that and it ran for 20 some odd years.
And I was doing it, I started doing it.
I's like 14 years old.
And what they would do, it's a three hour show.
We'd have it at the Palm Springs High School was the only auditorium in town at that time, the only theater in town
ran for three hours, and they would bring in all these big names
and to do for three hours.
Don Rickles.
Bobo came and hosted one year.
Actually, he hosted every other year.
Jan Murray, Sid Charise. crap.
Ricky, Mickey Rooney.
I mean, all these all these big people that here in the area where
we come down here because they were in policy, they do this big show every year for like 20 something years, right?
And Don Rickles came down and he he
was because he's one of my heroes, right?
And he is just
obnoxious and poor person.
And then he turns it off and he's like one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet.
He really is.
I'm really lucky to have met him, so that won't.
I'm obsessed with Don Rickles.
I love Don Rickles.
I worked with him.
I worked with Milton Burough
I met Jerry Lewis once.
Who else would I?
Yeah, I used to take pictures.
I used to take pictures with people. someone would take a picture with m people because I was not a selfie kind of person.
I got them on a board somewhere in my garage somewhere and stuff.
And I've always, you know, kept the programs.
I go back and I look at it.
I haven't really done much. and I of a found this big box of programs at
like 2,000 shows in it that I've done, you know, over the course of some number of years.
So it's really funny.
I don't think like I've done a lot, but then you look at this, I said, oh, I've done a whole bunch of stuff.
So it's really funny.
Well, that's awesome.
Could you have seen yourself doing anything else besides working at Jason
to the entertainment industry or cybersecurity?
So I was in the Air Force, and I
was back then, there was this thing of cyberseurity, and I'm actually part
of a group that was mentioned in the first in the book about the first
international act called the Cuckoo's Egg.
And it's about this first attack that well known that happened in
in the mid80s where these German hackers
were trying to break into U. US. government facilities, and they basically wormed
their way through a bunch of different government organizations, Navy bases,
army bases, to try to get into stuff.
They went for Livermore, trying to steal some secrets.
And I was part of the organization at Space Systems Division when I was in the Air Force that helped try to track these guys down.
So that was the beginning of my cybersecurity journey. out of the Air Force went to work for some cyber security company companies
as an engineer and doing a bunch of stuff.
And then my last gig up to a couple years ago when I
was more or less retired, was the chief product officer for one
of the largest cybersecurity firms in Asia, if not the world.
And I was that for like five years
But the thing is, you know, cybersecurity is a really interesting business
to be in that my heart is always going to be entertainment, because I love doing shows.
Like I said, when Alex, I mean, I was the one jumping
up in front of, you know, it's like the little guy that goes, be, me, me, come pick me.
So I was trying to get Alex to get me involved in working on Comic-Con.
And it took me a couple of weeks to get him to, you know
to think about actually having me do stuff, you know, because he had no idea where I worked.
He was trying to be eager.
Be a little eager.
It was one of those things too, is like, I'm I'm
very like, I have a circle and I have to like slowly let people in.
And I it was one of those things too, that I I really appreciate
you guys so much. because you taught me like how to work with people
right?
Like in a better, in a, in a better sense
of like real realizing, because I'm a dreamer.
I'm a dreamer..
And I am I'm I
identify people who can help me with like executing those things.
But at the same time, who are very very strong-willed person
and dreamers are always kind of like these strong-willed people as well.
And we tend to butt heads
But that that's one of those things too, I learned like
patience, but also like, well, you have to to see it from their perspective.
And I think like that's helped me in the food industry and
especially currently where I'm at right now in the position that I'm
in, like my, my boss, like he's he's a good friend of mine.
We're friends, but he was like, I don't need a person
that is he he told me up front, like before I got the job.
He's like, I don't need a person that's a chef who wants to like put in put their ideas.
I just need somebody who could help me execute things.
And that helped me when he told me that, and he's like, okay, that's what guy was for me.
So I became you
in my position, and I just helped execute these certain
things and also be the person who could relay information
to the head chef and be like, okay, well, we're seeing
this, we're selling more of this, maybe maybe we should double it.
all that sort of stuff that goes into the food industry.
And so it helped help you really help me
in like my skill set too.
So I really, really, really appreciate.
You know what Guy is?
Guy is the true definition of trust the process.
That's what's.
That's what guy is.
Trust the process.
That's a great.
You know, Guy, if it weren't for you, I would never known
how to make a proper floor map for like
Comic-Con because of how we, because of your measurements
and things like that, I was like, I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing.
Like, how, how am I supposed to make this floor map?
Because of your help, I was able to successfully make floor maps for Comic-Con.
Among other things, but I feel like that was my
most difficult challenge was trying to
design something brand spanking new from scratch.
So I have to ask really quick, and I may have missed this, but what
was the germ of the idea for Palm Springs Comic Con?
Was that some guy that something you you were thinking about for
a long time and then approached Alex?
That was me.
Oh, that was all, okay, so the g The germ for
Palm Springs Comic Con, obviously my love for San
Diego Comic Con and all goinging every year consecutively.
But also, that idea came from
my old general manager at the Ace Hotel, because he knew that I went to Comicon every year.
Ace Hotel.
He's also a huge comic
book nerd. and he's like, he's like, Alex, you know what you should do?
Because he knew I'm an events guy and
he was like, you should bring Comic-Con to Palm Springs.
And at first I was like, I don't think I'll ever do that.
I don't think that would happen.
But then it slowly kind of like blossom.
And then like, then you meet people like like
Justin and then all the people who like kind of surrounded
me and the people who believed in the idea.
And obviously, Guy was one of those people who
believed in the idea and especially the way we were going about it
it, it felt more genuine, I feel.
And I don't.
I don't want to speak for you, Guy, but like, the other
one seemed like just kind of like, a cash grab.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, let me ask you this, and I'll start with you guys, as someone
who's we've all lived or lived or have lived in the desert.
Why do you think it took so long to
bring a comic convention to Palm Springs?
I mean, it's so close to LA.
It's like such a It seems like an obvious hub for
some sort of convention of any kind of pop culture wise.
So I think it absolutely had to
do with the fact that there were no comic book shops in the desert for the longest time.
None..
None.
Wow.
And Sid
the owner of Desert Oasis Comics, was the first one that
brought it back, and that, I think, helped build the
possibility of like, maybe this could happen.
Yeah.
Because what people, for people listening who don't know,
the Ko Valley is small, but like, it's not that small. either.
Like, the Cochola Valley as a whole is, what is it?
250,000 people, something like that?
Somewhere there, yeah.
Something like that may probably more now.
Riverside County.
Who's in Rside County, the largest county in California.?
Yeah, Riverside County is huge.
Riverside County in and of itself.
So I'm just wondering, like, how could such a place with such
a close proximity to L.A and San Diego have such,
like, I don't know, maybe it's just that small town vibe I don't know.
Like, it's a crazy.
Since I'm older than pretty much everybody on this panel.
Let me give you a little bit of history, all right?
When you go back into the 60s, this
was pretty much an air entertainment town.
I said, Guy, I'm actually 109.
I feel 109.
Go ahead.
So back in the 60s, this was Palm Springs, the Palm Springs area,
the Coacheo Valley was basically an entertainment town.
All the rich and the famous would come here and they'd party for LA and do stuff, right?
And then, and there's lots of movies are made here and there was a great place to hang out.
And lots of lots of stars still live here to this day and they come live here for a period of time and they move away.
And then you got into the 70s
and into the late 60s, into the early 70s, this became a mafia town.
Okay?
So Really?
If you if you wanted Italian food, you didn't go to Vegas,
you came to Palm Springs best Italian food, Wester Chicago.
You remember Pompe guy?
You remember Pompe?
Yeah, Pompeii, yeah.
That's.
So the big thing about that because Frank Sinatra lived here, the ratp lived here.
Oh, right.
A lot of very well-known Italian
people lived here that had connections to other places,
you know, so they made travel from here to Vegas and stuff, but they'd like to be here and the wood drive it was nice and warm
And so they had some great Italian food.
And then you get from into the 70s, you
get into the 80s and then all those people started to slowly die out, right?
And then this became more of an old folks kind of place.
So what happened at the point in your retirement community.
So you'd have the average age of people here were
probably in their 60s and above.
They came here to retire because it was cheap.
So if you were a kid here, there was very little to do.
I mean, it't until like the mid late 80s that we finally had, like a
couple arcades and even even a a miniature golf course for kids to do something, right?
That was the big thing.
I would just play in the desert with my cousins and shit.
We would literally go in the desert and we would literally take buckets
of water with us and we would make mud pancakes on the rocks when we were little kids because that's how bored we were.
Like there was TV, but there was nothing else.
Yeah.
There's nothing happening here for kids.
So when I bought comic books growing up, right, I would
go down to the local liquor store and they'd have a rack.
And I' go down there every week and I' buy comic books off the rack and that kind of stuff and then take them room and read them.
That's 7-Eleven.
Yeah.
Mine was Jermaine Brothers Liquor store over
on Vistacino and Circle K from.
Out Pse marketet on Ramon Road 2 had.
I still there, isn't it?
Okay.
So the first time I ever got to see a real comic bookstore is my
dad drove me to Los Angeles and we went to Collector's bookstore on Hollywood.s.
And the reason I found out about that because I had an art teacher
in, in junior high school, who
was a very famous writing a children's book. name was Fred Crump.
And he's the one that got me back into comic books and we had a book.
And then he challenged me in a few things and showed me where a collector's bookstore was.
And I went to collector's bookstore and like the Greysiness, this giant
place that was just full of comic books, old ones, new ones, and stuff
you know, that you could buy there.
And we're talking talking in the mid 70s, right?
Middle late 70s. collector's bookstore, when I was there,
they had a big showcase of a big display case that you would go to.
And they had props from different things.
And
one of the things that they had at the time, crops from the Batman TV show.
They had a bat radio, they had a battang, they had all sorts of really cool stuff.
And then they had the Batshield.
Do you remember the bat Shield, the big plastic thing that they unfolded,
that act as the bulletproof shield that they would walk through?
Right?
And they had it for like 50 bucks on sale.
And back in the sale, 50 bucks was a huge amount of money for
for an 11 year old kid to say, I'd like to get this for, my birthday and stuff.
And then I saw that online
a couple of years ago and it went for like $200,000 for this batship.
But that' So I discovered what a real comment bookstore was.
I had to get my father, my mother, to drive me down to LA.
and he's like once every couple of months, I could go down there and buy some stuff, which they hated to go do.
We had to find a reason to go to L.A. besides buying comic book stuff.
So there was no comic book store here for the longest time.
And then in the 90s
we actually had two different comic book stores that showed up.
One that was in downtown Palm Springs that lasteded for a very short period of time.
That was owned by the people that do Comic book Asylum, or did Comic book Asylum.
Well, actually, before that, there was, in the 80s,
it was around the era of the black and white Ninja Turtles
There was a one called Desert Comics, and it was
where in the shopping center where Zelda's used to be, remember?
Do you remember that?
I did not know there was one there.
No.
Yeah, yeah, it was there.
Yeah, yeah.
And then just to mention,
Fred Crump was my cartooning feature in middle school.
Really?
Yeah.
Really?
He was like cartooning teacher in my.
Oh, like K-R-UMP?
With a C right?
CRUMP.
I'm glad it's C and not T. He was such a wonderful man.
He was awesome
So kind and gentle.
Dang, I have bearing Trump in mind.
And he gave me the greatest greatest piece of advice
about making drawing art. because I always, I can't draw.
To this day, I'm really terrible at art, right??
But he said, you know,
people who try to draw to do art,
they try to draw a straight line, okay?
And he said, drawing is not about drawing a straight line.
It's about not drawing a straight line.
And that was like the most mindblowing thing I' ever heard is that if you want to do something, it doesn't have to be perfect, right?
It needs to be whatever you want.
And I've kept that
This is something I got in junior high school, and I've kept that with the all my life
in terms of doing things that way it can be done
as best as it could be, but does that be perfect, right?
It just has to be enough that people can appreciate it and it needs to be done.
And that's actually worked a lot especially entertainment industry when you're building sets and doing a whole bunch of other crap along the.
So that's.
I think that's not how I applied it to Palm Springs Comic Con and anything other evidence that I would do.
A question in the public public chat for Guy.
Okay, sure.
Let's see.
Guy, did you ever party at Zelda's?
Where Zeldas used to be, Zelda's used to
be on the second floor of this building, which is still downtown Palm Spring.
It's right off the corner of Indian Avenue and Rockcliff McCollum.
I never went to Zelda's, but it was on the second floor?
I don't know.
It was on the second floor.
It was there for
30 years.
Yeah, yeah, that was like the go-to nightclub downtown.
It was the main place to go, and yes, I partied there many times.
Thank you very much.
And then they moved to two other places.
They moved from there to Smoke Tree Village.
Well, I have to ask you, what was the wildest
thing you witnessed at Zelda's I have to know now.
I partied with
a lot of Mrs. America contestants.
We had several Mrs. America contestants here.
And some of these so these are women who are over 20 or M. America contestants.
They have to be over 27 years old, which is the cutoff age for the Miss USA.
and Miss America pageants, right?
I over 27 years old, and they can be married, which they
cannot be in in the USA or the American pageant lines, right?
So you got these married women and they're away from their husbands, away
from their children for about a week, and they want to go out and have a good time and party.
So basically you're out there with you know, 15, 20 of these ladies out there in a club and
they were twerking before twerking was a thing.
Let me tell you.
And these are white ladies.
Well, yeah, those are the ones that yeah, they'll they'll
do it the most before anybody else, usually.
I don't know.
I'm just saying.
I'm just speculating here.
Yeah, no, they have that was cooped on the floor and all that kind of stuff before they cleaned it all up.
But yeah, I mean, I've seen some wild stuff there.
Did you ever see that movie, Studio 54 with
Ryan Phillipsippippi, I think it was?
Did you ever see that movie?
Yes.
Was that kind of culture in the 70s?
prevalent in Palm Springs as well?
Or was it more..
If you think of more of a house
on a jior version of that, because I'm actually with Studio 54 before it went out.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So what happened That's another story there is,
you know, it's like a junior high version of
high school, 54.
Everybody wanted to be there.
But by that time, a lot of laws kicked in where they had
to, you know, cleanly act up and, you know, and they started monitoring things
more because of a lot of stuff that happens, sadly.
Sadly, yeah.
Wow.
So you're kind of a bit of a Palm Springs historian
as well, it seems like, because you've been there for so long and you've done so much and
seen so much.
I don't mean historic.
I just remember stuff that happened when I was there.
I still am here.
Yeah.
No, that's interesting, though.
Let's talk about the Saturn Awards.
So you've been involved with the Saturn Awards for four years now.
I just want to say, so it seems to be the only award show
that recognizes science fiction, fantasy, and horror.
I don't think there's any other award shows that recognize those three gen genres as much as Saturn Awards
How did you get involved with the Saturn Awards?
It's funny you should mention that, but if you think about that, look at the Academy Awards.
This is the first time the Academy Awards recognized a real genre film.
Siners is a vampire movie, right?
Yeah.
Think about that.
And I think the last really good genre film that they recognized
was probablySence of the Lambs, because that's actually, you know, a film or horror film kind of thing.
Nice shirt.
Yeah, they should.
So I went to USC and the
Academy of Science Fiction and Fantasy and Harror was started in 1972
by a gentleman named Dr. Robert Reed, who, before he passed away 2001, was also
known as the foremostpert in the world on Count Dracula.
I mean, this guy was, we're going to have to get Hunter
Burns on to speculate on that, I think.
Yeah, he's that big. right there.
Yeah.
Anyway, so so Dr. Re started this organization because he recognized
that, you know, with his love is genre, it was not being it was not being
recognized by the Emmys or
by the Academy awards.
So he started this organization mostly because of his love genre film.
He Startred in '72, it grewrew like crazy.
We had our first televised Don Awards, I think in 76, '77.
That's the one where the most infamous
William Shatner performed a Rocket Man.
You see on YouTube.
Oh, that's.
You were telling us.
People know about the infamous William Shatner
saying Rocket Man and you know, their opinion.
But no one really Iing up up here alone.
But most people don't know that It was televised
on the first televised Avenue Awards back in 76 or 77 or whatever it was, right?
And William Shner hated that for 30 years. and in
the last few years, he's actually started to now embrace that he's done that, which is actually cool It's amazing..
Yeah.
I will sometimes rewatch that on YouTube just
because it, I don't know, it scratches an itiche in my brain that I can't explain.
Well, when you get a chance, I I'll send you you a link.
There's a link you can see now an excerpt from the
Sound Awards where he received a Lifetime Achievement Award this
past year or a few weeks ago, and he talks about how
he was talking to doing Rocket Man and all the stuff that happened with that along the ways.
When you watch that clip and you watch him talk about it, it's a really cool
thing to see and do.
I love that so much.
So the Academy started at 72 One of the things that they do, they would
hold screenings in several places, one of which is the USC where I went to school.
So I was able to find out about the screenings, and they would have screenings
every other Saturday on campus at one of the big theaters there.
So you'd come in there and they show
a movie in the morning and then you'd have a lunch break and maybe one or two movies in the afternoon.
Sometimes they bring in the filmmakers and the stars of the film to come out and hang out.
It was a great time.
I discovered the group.
I joined it, and I'd been a member ever since.
That was really, really cool.
We'd go to comic book conventions and we'd promote the organization and do stuff.
And then they had the Surn Awards.
And then we didn't televisise the Surn Awards for a very long time.
We held him in a bunch of different places
hotel ballrooms, big restaurants,
the directors' Guild Academy Theater.
In the 90s, when we had it,
the Century City Century Park Hotel and Century City in their ballroom,
I lit that show for several years
at that time.
I was a lighting director at that time and doing a bunch of other stuff.
So that's how I've been in bed for a long time.
I was perfectly involved on and off
for the last few years until until about COVID.
And then after COVID, I was really
missing the academy and the people I hung out with
So they asked me to come down and work with them.
We did the show, the 50th anniversary,
50th Academy Award, 50 Cent Awards was at the Marriott
Burbank Hotel in Burbank.
That was my first one that I had that I did.
I invited you the next year to come do that because I need to help them, right?
Yeah.
I invited Arnie to come down.
I invited I invited Alex to come down many times,
but he and Justin, they were two too busy.
They couldn't care less.
They had no interest in coming and see that stuff.
You know.
Years I invited him.
Arya came down.
He had a great time.
He even brought back great smiley.
He still didn't care about joining him.
Anyway, so so I went back because they needed some help
because we were going back in the broadcast business where they come called Electric Noun.
Electric N is owned by Dean Devlin, who is the executive producer of a whole bunch of
action disaster films like Independence Day, 2012.
What's that one were froze over by Ice and
so all those big disaster films in the teens
that he and his partner, Roland Ermish did.
So they decided they had a lofer for the academy.
They decided for the last three years that they were going to help broadcast it.
I was brought in to help take care of logistics
of putting the show together in the hotels.
I was respons for everything that was not directly ready to broadcast,
which means basically I took care of the red carpet.
I took care of getting props and all the designs and
all the stuff up in, getting the ballroom ready for
the show, getting the staging and everything ready for the show
uh helping getting the contractors in there to get stuffed up.
And then when the show was on, I was responsible for
making sure everything else was working outside of the show and
then setting up for the after party and some of the stuff that we did.
So it became a really big deal.
I needed help.
And I said, I got my friends over right-hand man..
Arnold, you're you're the Alexander Hamilton to guys George Washington.
I was even ready to provide performance, like entertainment, if needed
You know, if they needed like dancing, like, say every 30, 30 minutes, Guy, this is something that I do.
This is part of the show, guys for my hips.
Yeah, I need to stretch.
This is the physical physical education party.
Every 30.
Every 30 minutes, he has to.
This is his demo for you for the next Saturday Awards.
really quick, really quick.
Because I, when I was in high school, I wanted to go to film
school and I wanted to go to USC, but I didn't have either the grades or the money to do it.
But so I had to know, what did you study at USC and what did you like about?
Like, what was your experience like there?
Okay.
USC was not my first choice.
I had another choice to go and I didn't get in for a whole bunch of reasons.
But my room, my, my high school
friend and college now, then college roommate, who was going
to USC, taught me into going
there, because one of the things I did, I joined ROTC
I want I actually, my goal in life, was to be an astronaut.
That was my goal for being.
I wanted to be an astronaut.
I was going to join the Air Force so I could be part of the astronaut program, right?
So I went to USC.
They had the local ROTC program there.
I got a schcholarship because they got a scholarship.
USC took me in at the next year in, which was great.
So I was there for three years, 3, three and a half years somewhere in there.
There's some summer school classes that were in there.
My roommate and I said, Gilbert Zimmerman, hey, Gibby, if you're paying attention
he went up, he was he
was a trombone player.
He was a music major.
He was a drum major at the U USC Marching band.
He performed with Fleetwood Mac on Tusk.
So that song.
That was really, really cool.
And then he went on off to become an art director for Disney.
He worked on Tarzan and then went over to
DreamWorks and was intimately involved in How to Train Your Dragon stuff, which is really, really cool.
And I never let him live that stuff down because I'm really proud of them for that.
That's awesome.
Yeah, so USC as a school was actually really cool.
I had football players living in my buildings.
I lived off campus.
I knew Marcus Allen because he was in Miam ear.
There was a guy named Anthony Munñoz, who became
one of the top linebackers for the Cincinnati Bengals.
He lived in my building
And what's really funny is Gibby was 6'2"
and probably 26, 70 pounds, really big guy, right?
Huge guy, right?
Anthony made him look small.
So we'd walking up the steps and then Anthony would come down and we'd have to back up just for him.
But he was like the nicest, sweetest guy he'd lived on our floor.
We hung out and done some stuff together.
So it was a really good time.
The school was great
Nice facilities.
At that time, they were having some issues with football because they
had got in trouble with some football gambling issues and
recruiting issues and stuff.
But as an experience, it was great.
I was an engineer, right?
I did not go to the film school, but I had friends that did go to the film school
When I was there, Steven Spielberg
and George Lucas, they donated money to
build the film and television of film and television there, right as that was getting ready to lead, right?
They built this giant facility, which is gorgeous.
But the thing is, talking to the people I work with, talking
to the filmmakers I work with, does going to a film school
gets you closer to making film.
I can answer that right now.
No.
My daughter went to NYU, you know, and there was NYU films.
That's another prestigious school.
Yeah, film.
And a lot of people, they may have went
to film school to learn the chops, but once you've
got out of film school, you still have to fight to get a decent job of any place.
Intern, someplace is a big thing.
A lot of stuff I got to do, again, was I
knew somebody who needed somebody else, like Alex, and they said, ", I've heard about this guy.
Why don't you use him?
They said, okay, they put me on.
And I started doing it.
I did a lot of music videos
in the 80s.
I did kiss videos, I did Tina Marie videos,
and a whole bunch of other stuff because somebody had heard me and I heard about me and they said, he's a good guy.
And then when you get in there and you work, they like you.
They keep using you over and over.
And that becomes the really big thing.
So film school is great, you know, to teach
you things, but it's not designed really to get your foot into the door.
When I was in the Air Force, I actually applied for the
second assistant director program in the '90s
And because I was open to anybody all walks life and they were looking for people who were not film people to do that.
And a second assistant director on a film or television
is basically the guy respon for logistics.
He goes out and looks at the location and figures out how stuff works on perfect for me, right?
And they had a whole program for that.
Yeah, you've done and seen so much.
And yeah, I really wanted to go to USC
Film because when I was in high school, when I was in high school, I was told like,
yeah, that's the, that's like the
film school to go to.
That's where George Lucas went.
That's where Coppola went.
Well, no, Copola went to UCLA, I believe.
Copola went to UCLA.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it was either that or the other, my film school doesn't even exist anymore.
It literally shut down in 2011.
So, but you look at these people at Coppola, you look at Lucas and Spielberg.
Do you know how they got their start?
They got their start, not because they went to to UCL USC Film
pool is because they went to go work for Roger Cororman, an intern, and then they became
they became production system, they became directors under Roger Cororman, right?
So they were making schlock movies that had, you know, budgets
that were on a shoestring and took like two weeks to film, if that long.
And that's the best way to learn.
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Learn on that.
Yeah.
Same kind of thing here.
You know, all of us, the three people that I'm looking at at
the top of my screen here, that are all Palm Springs Comic Con, you know, they had never put on a show before, right?
And we had to put on this big logistical thing, which was really, really cool.
And my big thing was I got to help them figure out how to make this thing work.
And Palm Springs Comic Con did so well.
We were voted like Best Buy vendors. vendors loved us over any other Comic Con.
We were votinged Best First Year Comic Con ever, which was really, really nice.
Yeah, and and that was the big thing for us.
We put on a really good show.
Everybody loved it.
We had a really good time.
Everybody learned how to do this.
And the most important thing is Alex
who was so stressed out at the beginning of the week when he started doing this
thing, by the end of the show, when he realized that he could learn to let
things go and trust his people and be able to delegate a bit more,
he was much happier and much more relaxed by by the end of the weekend.
Yeah, I hope that helped him out a relax.
I absolutely did.
But I also learned after doing P ComicCon that I got burnt out on.
I't on events in general.
Like I And that's the thing.
Like, I know you give us crap for you
jokingly give us crap for not helping you out of the Saturnal words.
I get triggered.
thinking about events these days.
So I was like, I, as much as I would love
to help you out, guy, I'm more now
I want to be on the other side, like kind of like taking taking shit video.
just want to be like, like pressing the fles, talking to like the celebrities.
Which we did.
Which we did.
We got.
And thanks to all thanks to you guys.
I really appreciate, like, a lot of
it's these kinds of connections that I
still keep up with that even
if there's like space and like a lot of distance and
time that gets in between our communication
like somebody like you, we we're the types
of people that, like, no matter how much of that goes by,
like, we still get like our back to where we were, you know, like joking around.
And like, I think the last time we got to really hang out was
the the first year that San Diego Comic-Con came back from the pandemic.
Yeah.
And I, like, funny enough, I just went
to dinner at the same Korean bar BU place
that we went to with Christina and Donald last night for Christina's birthday.
And it was like, remember when we went here with the guy?
And it was just like, it was such like a trip down memory lane.
What year was that Palm Comic Con that you guys did?
Was it 2014 or 15??
2016 and 2017.
All, you did it two years in a row?
And 2017 was the time that I ended up,
like right before that when I ended up in the hospital.
That was when that was really stressful for me.
Because I ended up in the hospital for like 10 days before
a few months before that.
I'll say right now, if you guys ever want to do it again, I'll help you out.
I'll do a pro bono.
I'll let guy take the reins.
And I
have faith that Guy would actually do like an amazing job with it.
To be honest, like, Guy, if you ever want to do
it, you have my full blessing to be like, we'll just be the social media people.
Well, I I'll be the guy connecting dots in
the background, but you can be the guy that, like, I just don't know how to like raise the money.
That's the number one thing.
We need to TikTokst's not going to do it again.
I might be able to help with that.
I gotta tell you, one of the things you learn about being with the Sum
word, you learn about sponsorships and getting those things. like, I
will take that, try to apply that to Ponsors's Comic-Con when we bring it back.
So I'll make sure we.
I was looking at the sponsors on the Saturn Award website.
I mean, it's all the big brands, Crunchy Roll, CBS,
Bad Robot, AMC, Amazon, MGM.
I mean, FX.
I mean, it's a who's who of major studios and companies that sponsored you guys.
That's really awesome.
Yeah, we've had a lot of of big sponsors to help us pay for the show because, you know, they all believed in that.
Crunchyroll, especially, because, you know, you don't get
a lot of places that nominates anime type shows,
movies, and you know, they're very very limited in terms of the Academy does and what
the emmys do, you know, but we recognize a whole gamut of anime
and animation, you know, from all around the world and all
sorts of stuff, even no matter how weird it is.
And the big thing about it is, you know, we recognize a lot of genre films.
What about podcasts?
never going to be nominatingplace else, right?
What about, what about the medium of podcasting?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What I was going to say when we were talking about, no, putting
on another one, I feel like we can throw it out there right now.
If anybody out here in the Palm Springs area, Coachella Valley area
would like to help out and brainstorm
with us and maybe put help out in some way, hit us up.
Yeah.
I will say that my biggest contribution will probably
just be being able to connect us with
a Comic-Con International again.
That's probably, like we could get the the
name, a trademark affiliate again, and go from there.
Let me ask you this really quick, guy.
What do you like better?
Do you like award shows better or do you like conventions better?
Or is it kind of all the same to you?
Well, you know, I've been on both sides, and I got to tell you, the problem with award shows
and the problem with working at convention is I'm working.
I don't get to enjoy it as much as I would like it.
That becomes really sad.
So, you know, whereas if
I'm just going to a convention hand with friends, it's a whole different mindset.
But I will tell you, there was a lot of years where,
because of all the production stuff like, I couldn't go sit down and watch a movie
or go watch a play any plays.
We have to spend more time looking at the production
stuff and how it was done and what I didn't like, what I didn't like, did not pay attention to the player in the movie.
And it took me a long, long time to
get out of that mode just so I could go back and enjoy stuff again.
That means a big thing, right?
But having said that
there was a lot of satisfaction on putting on a good show
or putting on a good con that other people can enjoy.
Because I go to someplace because I want to have a good time.
And if those people can have a good time because I was able to facilate it, that makes it worthwhile, right?
And they're going to talk about it they want to come back again and have another great time.
It's a different kind of satisfaction, right?
But whether it's a show or whether it's a con
they both have different kinds of pros and conserts and how they work and stuff.
But at the end of the day, you're putting on an event that people want to come to and have a good time.
And if they go and they have a good time, that's what matters, right?
For example, you know, we talked about George Lucas.
Tom Cruise came to our thing too.
Tom Cruise, George Lucas, they did not go to award shows
They don't like award shows.
Right.
George Lucas, mostly has nothing he makes ever gets nominated for anything, right?
Except for a check award.
He loves saying that.
He does.
He loves that.
And if you watch what he comes, he says, he's won three awards in his life.
Two of them are Saturns, right?
And he won a Saturn
a few weeks ago.
And that's why he comes to our show because it's about fans that
recognize the genre and show their love for the genre.
When the voting is done by members of the Academy.
And by the way, shouting out to you guys, if you want to join the Academy of science fiction
fantasy and horror, there's a link for the show, go join there.
It's a couple hundred bucks a year.
If you live in LA., you can see like 300 free screenings
of A-list movies. and some really cool stuff you've never heard of before.
Wow.
And you get invited to some other cool events
to hang out.
So it's really, really nice to be a member of the Academy and you can vote
for, you, the best pictures and the best TV shows in the different categories.
It's really worthwhile to be part of them.
Is that best if you are living in the LA area?
Because if I'm say I'm living in San Diego and I can't
really utilize that benefit, is it kind of worth it?
Yeah, the sad part is most of the events right now
are in our LA century.
But
because of things that happened this year and because of the stream we've
been doing with with Sound Awards the last few years, we were trying to figure out
how we could do some more virtual events that we could, because we do have members
that are outside of L.A and in other states, in other parts of California, and some that are international.
So we want to be able to start trying to figure out a way of putting some online events for them that will make it worthwhile.
Maybe bringing back the Savner Worth podcast
and doing some other stuff like that.
So we're working on some stuff.
You guys have some ideas.
I'd be happy to hear about any of those things..
Saturn Awards podcast hosted Podcast.
Unofficial podcast.
Let's go to podcasts.
I'll have my people talk to your people.
Okay, yeah.
We'll have our interns again with.
So the big thing about this is a lot of the people that come to our show
do it because it's a great time.
It's and it's because it's voted on by the fans.
I talked to Danny Elfman about this a long time about when
we were way back when, when we was doing a face-off. name dropper.
He did face off?
We were
I don't know Danny El.phant did Face Off.
That's crazy.
He did the soundtrack for Face Off.
Wow.
But And the reason why I dropped the
names, it's important because when you drop the names, it shows people that
a lot of big people care about this, right?
We talked about talked about Tom Cruise.
We talked about George Lucas.
We had James Cameron was there for Avatar.
We had mostly cast for Alien.
We were supposed to have Sigourney Weaver with the rest of them, but they wouldn't
let her because she was shooting something right now, so they decided to let her go for the
Academy Awards next week as opposed to our Little Tiny Award show, right?
But you, we had we had five generations
of Star Trek cast numbers for 60 years of Star Trek showing up.
We talked to some of them.
You talked about, Alex
I'm glad you, I'm glad you guys came to just hanging out in the red carpet and meet some of those people.
I got to tell you, the stars told me after it was one of the best red carpets they'd
been to because they could just hang out and be themselves and just have a good time.
They didn't have to really pose a lot of them.
That was the vibe I felt.
Right, Alex, when we were there, everybody seemed so casual, so
he was just in a good mood.
And I feel like, like, they were a little bit more open
to let us, like, like, we didn't jump onto the actual red..
Well, you didn't jump onto the actual red carpet until like, I was like, hey, just go.
And you did it.
That's when you interviewed Doug Jones.
And that was really, that was a really cool interview.
Really nice guy.
I think that that rope actually kind of like
creates this weird, unnatural
boundary barrier that makes the interview feel weird.
But then, like once you jump over that rope and you actually, it
makes it, like you said, guy, it feels feels like a lot more welcoming and that more loose.
It'll be more aggressive next year.
I'm going to be more.
I'm going to put together that, that notebook like
that girl had sitting next to me in the press room that had like every single thing.
That's my goal
for next year.
Yeah, because we talked to the actress who played Newt and Aliens, and we didn't record it.
Yeah, I feel like I think he got nervous.
I' motherfuckers!
I wasn't.
And by the way, like, I've done red carpets
for TV news in the past, so you'd think that I would, I guess I was just right rusty because I've literally
done red carpet events in my early years as a news photographer.
So, next time.
I put you guys off the endly red carpet just because I know has to do.
I know.
Did you go with the big big name press and things and they'd be more loose and do.
I was hoping you were going to say the other, somebody said that that you talked
to the celebrities like, you know, those never seen it guys were great, by the way.
Well, you know, I think the
end of the red carpet was a blessing and a cris because he got like,
like you said, guy, it is kind of funning and they're all kind of like relaxed and loose with their conversation.
Yeah, at the same time, a lot of the entourages
were kind of like bottlenecking it.
And so it kind of almost forced the celebrities to go like past us, like further
out and then.
Who was the tall guy that we missed, the British actor?
Oh, what's his name?
I got to look him up.
Do you know who I'm talking about?
Alex.
Remember the British, the really tall dude?
Ah, what was his name?
I don't know.
We were trying to give Paul Bettany, Paul Bentny.
That's who it was.
That's who it was.. that was seven foot tall, by the way.
Yeah, that guy is so tall.
But yeah, he was one of the first ones to get funneled away from his.
Yeah, Oh, yeah.
He was He was whisted away.
Yeah.
You probably saw me during a couple of the car.
I was in there having to do crowd control because the security guys were doing their bit, and I had to start pushing people in
to get out the red carpet because they were cooling stuff up.
You got to send in your muscle next time, Mr. Arno, the one-man
party, which, by the way, Arnold, you wanted to say something.
Oh, yeah.
A couple things.
I just wanted to share
a little story, a little experience at the Saturn Awards.
I was busy working.
I was walking.
I think I remember that day, I think I got like 26,000 steps or something like that.
35,000.
I't that.
I remember there were some times where I would pop in and I'd be like backstage
and backstage, you know, you
on the other side, you see all like the production stuff going on.
And then I remember opening the door and then, what was it?
The Property Brothers guy Drew?
Yeah, he was, and he's, he's really tall too.
He was like.
One of the twins?
Yeah, yeah.
He was like right there.
And then, um, at that, at that moment
um, Bob Oddenkirk was on stage.
And, um, Joel McHale,
who was the host of of the show, he was backstage
and they were just all like, cracking jokes and having fun.
It was just a fun vibe by.
I had a moment to just like stand there and watch.
And Bob Odenkirk, it was really funny.
He was talking and he was like
this was, I believe, his first time went to the Saturn Awards.
And he said that when he got the call and
was being invited and they threw out there and were like, oh, Tom Cruise is going to be there.
So he was like, oh, okay, you've come my interest.
And then they threw out there, oh, then, and George Lucas is coming as well.
He's like,
oh, well, let me check my calendar.
And then they're like, and Mark Hamill's going to be there.
He's like, they're never mind. clear my calendar.
I've got to make it here.
And then they're like, and Joel McHale's going to be hosting.
And then he was like, uh, never mind.
Never mind.
I don't think I'm going to go anymore.
And then Joel Mail, he was backstage.
He was laughing and then he pretended like he was going to rush to the stage,
but then he jumped back down the stairs and it was just a really funny moment that I got to catch.
And then go help and put out another fire.
So so I left.
Wow.
That's
that's been a lot.
And I actually, we have more questions.
Well, you have a questions from the chat, guy?
Okay.
What happened to your space career?
HLP wants to know.
Okay.
So I was in the Air Force for
I was in the Air Force for six and a half years, and then I
went to federal service afterwards for another four years, right?
And the reason why I left the Air Force was
about I had just made captain, so
about three, four years into the Air Force, the
challenger blew up, and they canceled the astronaut
program for the next seven years because they took him away longer to
figure out why the shuttle blew up and what was on that action, participated in that failure analysis, too.
That was the thes, right?
The Challenger disaster?
I'm sorry?
Sorry, that was in the 80s, right?
The was in the 80s.
The challenge, yeah, the the first time the shuttle blew up, right?
And it had Christy McCullough, the teacher that was on there and a bunch of other people that, it was a huge, huge news.
And then we went through a whole bunch of fail analysis with a bunch
of teams all around the country trying to figure out what happened.
And, you know, the two likeliest candidates was potentially invisible cracks
in the solid fuel propellant, and potentially
a O ring that might have been deformed
because of cold weather and certain other kinds that happened along the way.
We'll never know for sure because the number piece that happened, there were those of two likely things that could happen
along the way.
But but the thing is, they canceled the AI program for seven years, right?
And by the time the AI program came back, I would have been too old to apply.
So that was the big problem.
So that's what killed my space career, badly.
So that happened on January 28th, 1986, so eight days after I was born.
So that's kind of crazy to think about.
It Happened like literally eight days. as you were born?
Eight days after.
Or not eight days.
Have you ever tried building a spaceship in your backyard?
Yeah.
And just going?
I feel so old now.
I was born in.
January 10th, so the 28th would have been.
I'm so bad days. 18 days.
Thank you, Arnold with the assist, as always.
See, this is why Arnold's your right-hand man.
He always comes in with the assist.
Thank you.
This comes in three weeks.
That was a crazy, yeah. from what I've seen and read about that.
Wasn't there another rocket that blew up in like the early 2000s?
It show that blew up some years later, too.
Yeah.
eventually led to the end of the shuttle program
as we know and looking for new stuff, not new stuff to go to do.
Yeah.
So, so you, you, got your engineering degree.
You've served in the Air Force.
You almost went into space.
Now you are a planner for all these nice, great events.
I mean, is there anything you haven't done that you want to do?
guys?
Is there any, is there something on your bucket list?
And you're like, I have one of these days.
I still want to go into space.
Unfortunately, I can't afford the ticket for that one yet.
Right, right.
We got to get Jeff Bezos on the horn.
Or how about something Well, simpler
Is there a movie that you've never seen that you want to see?
Oh, you stole my question.
Oh.
I was going to ask and let that.
No, that's fine, though.
But yeah, what would shock people, guys of a movie you have never seen?
Honestly?
The Goonies.
I was just thinking about this the other the day.
Wow.
I was I was watching an on.
And we did an episode on that.
We did.
We already know. episode of that.
Available now.
Josh Gates on Expedition Unknown, did an episode when they were chasing the pirate treasure on the Goonies.
I was thinking about.
And I actually have someone gave me a Goonies t-shirt, but I have never seen the movie, ever.
Wow.
Try to, and that's something I got to go do.
That is a really good one, because I would have assumed you.
Wait, wait, even when we did the Goonies screening event, you didn't go to that, did you?
No.
Oh, shit.
The Camelot Theaters, we did like a Goonies screening for the anniversary.
Yeah, We did three screenings.
We did all.
We did The Goonies.
Goon.
We did Ghostbusters.
Ghostbusters.
We Gremins.
Wow.
Gremins.
And gremlins we've also done on this show.
Oh, yeah.
Which I had, yeah.
What other movie would you say that people would be surprised that she've never seen?
Besides The Goonies.
I don't know.
You can top the Goonies for someone like Guy.
No, you'd be surprised.
There was a period of time because I was traveling so much.
I know, when I was traveling all the time, because I was on a plane
for like 50 weeks out of the year, and whatever time I remember that
if I could go, if I could go to a movie theater, you know, I could, if I could do that.
But there were times where I just couldn't make it happen when I was out of the country and the movies were there.
But there's a fair amount of movies I'm really sad to say that I have not seen.
What modern movie that you haven't seen now?
You would
I didn't see the new Judge D. I didn't see the new Roboop..
Don't worry about Roboop.
The new Judge Dred movie, that one's great.
That's a nofrills action movie.
There's no stupid romantic subplots.
There's no like dumb whatever
It's It's just straight up action, my friend.
But the Roboop remake, forget it.
Don't even worry about it.
Don't even worry about.
I wasn't that mad at the Robocop remake,
but as far asakes go, Judge Dredd takes the cake.
Yeah.
What I hated about the RoboCop remake was that this guy's
supposed to be a half- man, half robot, but I've never seen such
a robotic performance from an actor, and I mean that in a bad way.
Like the guy, I forget the Joe Herman, or I
don't know what his name was, he's just, he
he gave me he did nothing for me.
Peter Weller will always be the..
Yes, Peter Weller will always be that.
Yeah, the Supreme Robo Cup.
Plus, that's the first movie I stuck an entire Chinese dinner into...
Also, the original Robocop tag team with
the stinger, the sting in WCW wrestling.
I remember her.
Yep.
He broke He broke Sting out out
of a cage and then they Sting the singer?
The singer?
No, no, the wrestler.
The wrestler.
I thought they was to Sting the singer Everybody' do wrestling.
No.
I know nothing about wrestling and I won't say anything bad
about it because I know if I do, what happens?
So No, but, Guy, another question for you.
First of all, are you on Letterboxd at all?
I have been on Letterbox, yes.
What's your top four on Letterboxed?
No, I have to know.
Go back and look.
What are your top four?
What are your top four?
Yeah, let's say, yeah, right now, let's decide your top four.
Let's figure it out for.
I will mention my top four, and I'll guarantee
that nobody else on this panel has ever seen any of them.
It does.
Okay.
I want to take a bet.
I bet maybe Justin seen one of them.
Yeah.
Yeah?
Justin likes obscure movies.
My number one film is considered the first
music video ever made, and that's a Hard Day's
Night by The Beatles, which is a great rock and roll film film.
And it greatly captures a day in the life would like to be with the Beatles in this thing.
I was about to buy that criteria and edition event yesterday.
Nice.
Really?
Yeah, I have seen it.
The edition's really, really good because they' they
were selling it for like really expensive
It's expensive criteria, yeah.
It's not cheap at all.
I grew up with, um, a lot of Beatles influence in my life.
Like my uncles were heavily into Beatles.
My younger brother learned instruments by playing Beatles music.
So I definitely have a very heavy Beatles influence in my life.
Justin, I will say, when it comes to your hate for Joel McHale, you should let it go.
Let it go..
Guy, what's your number two?
Number two that you'll add to your tuck.
Okay, Number two, you guys, somebody should have seen it, but the greatest musical
of all time is Singing in the Rain.
I have not seen Singing in the Rain, but I've heard it's good.
Really?
Yeah, me neither.
Wow.
Okay.
Kelly isn't Kelly drive in the desert, right?
I've never seen it.
I saw that one in college for my film class.
And Debbie Reynolds.
That's Princess Leia's mom, right?
Princess Leia's mom, who, by the way, has
won several several S awards, which is a big thing.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, she was also a well-known ghost screenwriter, wasn't she?
She?
Yes, she a ghost screenwriter.
She wrote several novels.
She was amazing.
Reynolds.
And Debbie Reynolds used interested saying, hi, my name is Debbie Reynolds or
as most of you know Me as Princess Leia's mother.
That was the big thing for you to say for a lot of here.
I love that.
I love the Queen mother..
And that was actually Debbie Reynolds' first film
Singing in the Rain.
Yeah.
Nice, nice.
What's your number three for Letterboxed?
Oh, Number three for Letterbox would have to be
Not a bad choice.
I think we've all seen Alien here, right?
I don't I don't think Arnold's seen it.
Arnold, you haven't seen Alien?
Oh, my gosh.
No.
We're doing that next.
Oh, yeah, we got to do.
Guys on the show.
We're doing that.
Is that your choice, Justin, or is it going to be Guy's choice?
I mean, it could totally be either choice.
How about Justin does, Guy does aliens.
And then I'll do Alien cubed.
No, I'm kidding.
And
we did the 40th anniversary of Alien, our 50th anniversary of Alien, at the Sound ofwards.
We know, like I say, everybody was there for that, and that was a huge big thing.
So was very nice..
Number four, what's your number four pick for your top four for Letterbox?
Rat think of boo-boo.
What is
How many words is that?
It's. bless you.
What a boo-boo?
Bless you.
Rat the booboo.
What did you?
a horrible sea level film that was made
in 1966.
66 Adventures of Rat Feink and Boo Boo?
No, Rat Fink of Booboo.
It's.
It'sitar playing superhero that looked like Batman, but wasn't.
It's coming up as the adventures of Rat Fink of Boo Boo.
Yeah, that was one of the titles that it had.
It's a horrible film, but it just, it is so bad and it is just funny to watch.
It really is.
I almost want to just do that one next. from what we move.
Those are words that are a phrase
that I's it's it's brand new to me.
It's Yeah..
I've heard the words rat.
I've heard boo-oo.
I've never heard fing and then you put them all together and it's an interesting amalgamation.
So, wow.
I instantly thought about R think that cartoon character at first.
The cartoon character, yeah.
But that came after the movie.
I could teach you about Jesse James versus Frankenstein's daughter.
I could teach her, you know, all sorts of really cool stuff that there are some
really horrible films that are out there that you guys have not.
And there's some good films out there you guys are probably have never seen.
Have you ever seen to Live and Die in L.A?
Yes.
Okay, because we might have a special guest coming up that we'll be discussing that movie with them.
Oh, that'd be really, really cool.
Yeah.
You guys ever seen Max's Headroom?
I only know of the infamous incident where he
hijacked the TV broadcast signal in the 80s and I know the TV show.
And they never caught the guy that did it.
And he was wearing a Max headroom mask.
Right, right.
Guy, you know about that.
You have to know about that.
I was around when that happened.
Oh,
I know Eminem has Max's headroom in one of his music videos, too.
I've learned a little bit about it.
I'm not entirely sure about that.
I was a whole history, but.
Well, he was a mascot for like a late night show or something like No, no, it was Coca-Cola.
He was on Coca-Cola commercials.
So Max's head.
Ed?
Max Edroom started out as a late night talk show host.
Okay.
Okay, he was this computer-generated talk show host played by Matt Frewer, right?
And then they did the English version of the
TV show, which is really cool, which starred him in Amanda Bays.
And then they brought it to the United States in the
early 80s.
And they shot a US version of that again with Matt Fuhr and a band of Bays.
And I am actually in the very first pilot episode.
More or less.. my first influence, or
my first exposure to Max Hedrum was the Coca-Cola commercials.
And then he had the US TV show that you're referring to.
That's how
I didn't know that he was like something
else, like a late night talk show host.
I did not know that.
He fact his talk show host, they had on Cartoon Network.
They run it for a while.
Yeah.
Were they like reruns?
I don't know if they were first one or reruns.
I' remember seeing them on Cartoon Network.
Cartoon Network Sci-fi channel.
One of those, I' never seeing them because that's where I'll watching it.
And it'd be the thing where it'd be a TV screen with them that guest sitting at a desk.
You know how the Brac TV show looks
how Brack did it?
Yeah, I. Space goes.
Yeah, Space Ghost.
That was pattern after how Max had him did his show.
Okay.
That's.
I'd love to get your opinion on something, and this
is what I would have asked Tom Cruise had I met him..
In the era of making legacy sequels,
so like there was a Gladiator 2, there's going to be a Heat 2 coming out.
Do you think we'll ever see a sequel to a few Good Men?
What do you think?
No. rats.
And they're all alive, too.
The entire cast from that movie is all along.
He's still alive.
Thes alive.
But Aaron Sorkin said he has he has nothing more to say about that.
E Sorkin.
The guy that wrote The West Wing wrote, you know, a few.
No, and I love Aaron, and that's why I would love.
That's one of my top favorite movies, if you..
Just imagine like a retired, a retired Tom Cruise lawyer.
He has to take up one last case with some, and you
could have like a big actor play like the main bad guy, instead of Jack Nicholson, it could be, I don't know, it could be
Jesse Flemons.
Jesse.
No, Jesse Flemons is the assistant lawyer at the Navy.
No, it could be a like somebody really old, but famous Anthony Hopkins or something.
I don't know.
I'm just..
They would make a sequel to Jerry McGuire before anything else.
Yeah, I could see that.
I could see that.
They made a sequel to know, the top Gun 40 years later, so anything as possible, right?
That's true.
Top Gun.
And and by the way, I've never seen any of the Top Gun movies and I have never seen Jerry Maguire.
I only know the memes.
I know, I know.
But that's the beauty of this show is that there's these big pop culture hits that we we could do.
But it's a movie about friendship and brotherly love.
Yeah.
I'm playing volleyball.
Am I?
They're playing volleyball with their shirts off.
Christopher Walken.
Christopher Walken could be like the Jack Nicholson and a few good men sequel.
Do you know Aaron Sorkin?
Maybe we could get him on the horn and convince him to write a script.
Probably, I don't.
It'll be called a Few Old Men.
That's a good one.
That's.
A few grumpyear-old man.
Oh, but Rip to Rob Reiner, obviously,
he wouldn't, you know, be able to direct, but, you know, maybe, I don't know.
There's got to be a director who would be willing to take a pen. his son.
No, no, no, no, no.
Let's not go there.
But yeah, well, you know, Guy, I feel like I feel like we
could talk to you for six hours about everything and we would never get bored on this show.
But guys, do you have anything else we want to ask Guy before we start to wrap her up?
How are we feeling?
I have a question.
What's your favorite memory from Palm Springs Conicon?
And what's your favorite menu from this year's Saturn Awards?
I know that's too much.
Oh, those are good.
Those are good.
My favorite memory of Palm Comic Con, we all got together into that big group picture on the stage.
At the end of the first day, that was really cool.
I liked that oh, so they were having a good time.
I mean, we worked really hard.
We were really tired.
But at the end of that first day, everybody had a great time, everybody was
happy, and we were all smiles in that picture.
Yeah, that's one of my favorite things to remember.
Then we had those big giant Transformer guys that came walking in,
you know, later on for that too, which is actually other nice.
From this year's comic- Con, what is my..
I felt so bad that they had a crouch.
I mean, this year's Saturn Awards, I mean, Satin Awards.
What is my best thing from this year of Satin Awards?
Again, I'm working so much.
I don't get to see what's happening.
Oh, I got to meet Katie Sackoff.
And one of the things about Katie S which I
did not know, because I've seen her on the awards several times before. just never got to talk to her.
I did not know what a girly girl she is.
You watch her know that things she's always badass, she's always silent, doesn't talk.
She has got the most gorgeous smile
I have ever seen, right?
And when she talks, she is just so happy and cheerful and just the way way she is.
I really like meeting her.
That was like my big high point.
That was my favorite moment too.
I I met her.
Old Tom Cruise, over George Lucas, meeting Katie Sack off with the coolest lady.
And it's appropriate you say that guy,
because HLP wants to know, what was your oldest Hollywood crush that you got to meet?
Ooh, oldest Hollywood crush that I got to meet.
That's a really interesting question
Uh, Raquel Welch died, sadly.
I got to meet Lindsay Wagner.
Oh, that name sounds familiar, but I don't know who that is.
Oh, my God, you young people.
By the way, this is also the 50th anniversary
of the Bionic woman who starred Lindsay Wagner.
Lindsay Wagner.
I used to watch that show.
I a 40-year old young whippersnapper.
I used to watch that show.
It was a really good show.
I mean, you
the effects for the time were as good as they could be.
They' made a bit cheesy now, but the stories were kind of cool.
You know, watching Lindsay Wagner like that was really cool.
And the same from the same era, I also got to meet Linda Carter, Major crush.
Oh my God.
I know that is.
That was a huge crush of mine when I was a kid, too.
She's a crush of mine.
She still looks as good now
as she did way back then.
She is Check out her Instagram.
Her Instagram is really good because she pushes a lot of stuff that she does now.
She pushed a lot of stuff that she does a lot of old Wonder Roman type stuff.
And she does have a cabaretaret act that I
worked with her on She's saying Were you ever a fan of Elvira?
that's why I didn' go scratches, too.
I met Elvira and very interesting lady.
She really, really is because, you know, she keeps her Elvira separate
from her, her real persona, which she also does kind of stuff.
But yeah, and she is stabbed.
Stacked with talent, you mean, right?
stacked with talent.
My mom's in her 60s, and she always told me growing up about
the million dollar man, the bionic woman, Linda Carter, and as well Wonder
Woman, who shot JD.
Like my mom grew up watching all that stuff.
Not JD.
Oh, my God.
Oh, J.R.
J.R.
Did I say J
Oh my God.
But yeah, that was before my time even.
So yeah, I never, but you didn't, because back then you only had,
what, three, four channels and that's it, right?
There was even cable then.
There was only three channels.
And when you lived in Palm Spring, you basically had to be in
cable because since they couldn't broadcast the signal all the way out here to Palm
Springs, you basically had a cable that gave you
those three channels plus three independent
channels, channel 5, Channel 9.
Four channels.
P 5, Channel 9, Channel 11, channel 139 KTLA,
KTTV, KCOP.
And I forget the other channel was.
So yeah.
And I worked for
two of those stations at least that aired locally.
And that was my final question.
Who's like a local, like desert area celebrity that
like either you know them or you you've met?
Oh, I met lots of Ging up, I met lots of celebrities.
You know Geno Lamont?
You probably know Geno.
I've met Geno Lamont.
Yeah.
I have to work with him.
I met met several of the other people that were out here.
I've met Mandie, the movie guy once.
Oh, yeah.
That's guy.
I used to work with him.
That's an old homie Adrian.
Yeah.
I used to work with him at K at Channel 6 K. Well, now it's just KIR NBC.
Cuyiami.
Cuyi.
Yeah, they call him the Filipino Roger Ebert.
So they get him on the show one of these days.
Yeah, we do.
Carson Daly is from Palm Springs.
Did you know?
Wasn't Jimmy Kimmel also, Didn't he get a start in Palm Springs radio?
He got to start Palm Spring.
No, he didn't get a start in Palm Springs.
He actually came from Washington State and then went to Vegas.
Oh, I thought he had a show in the desert, No, he didn't have a show in the desert.
He likes the music of the desert.
He likes to visit the desert, yeah.
Yeah..
Justin and I, we when we were working at that together
at the Heyday, he came and did like this huge catering
order for all their food.
It was like a huge deal for us.
Wow.
Wow, that's cool.
All right.
Well, guys, I mean, I think we did it.
Like I said, we could keep talking to guy for 10 more hours and not get bored.
But, yeah, guy, do you have anything you want to talk about?
I' to talk about myself.
Let's talk about you guys.
How are you guys been?
Oh.
We'll talk about that off air.
We'll talk about.
No, but I really do I really do feel like, because we
were hanging out at a Universal City Walkalk when we
were there for the Saturn Awards.
And we were just kind of walking around, right, Arnold.
We were walking around, just kind of chatting about this, that, and the other.
And we went into a Alex to show up to show up.
And uh, Hey, I had to get my Tommy burger.
Come on.
We hit a few comics.
God, you gave me a lot of great recommendations for comics to read and graphic novels, which I saved all of them.
So thank you again for that.
It was a really fun time.
I kind of feel like, like you're like a friend that I've never met.
I I feel like I've known you for a long.
I don't know.
Is that weird to say?
Like, I feel like I
I know you.
I don't know.
Is that weird?
I'm.
I'm glad that we're good.
I feel comfortable with you guys too.
So I'm like you know I've known the other three guys for many, many years, right?
And we've done a lot of stuff together.
So if it's nice to know that they got some new people to hang out with and I can learn some new stuff from.
That's what they'
thank you for.
This is like sharing parts of our, like other older
parts and bringing them together.
Like we've known Adrian, at least I've known Adrian since 2011, 2010.
and that's, again, like, I'm
a do connector bringing Guy and Adrian together.
Yeah.
And it's funny because I'm not even that close anymore to the guys that I met Alex through.
Like, does that make sense?
Like, Sam and Tim, I met you through them, but I don't even talk to either of them anymore.
And I met all of you guys because of Sam and Adrian here.
Yeah.
Alex was there.
I used to.
Alex was a stranger that came to my house.
Oh, he Yeah, we would get.
He just came to my house for an episode of the podcast.
He was a guest and then we became friends since.
And look at us..
All this happened.
I have Grays now.
Let me ask you.
Anybody here going to WonderCon this weekend in San Diego?
Even Nanaheim?
Yeah, Nanaheim, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. weekend.
I was thinking about going this Sunday.
I don't.
I just...
Yeah, it's too much of a drive.
I don't know.
Are you?
Are you going to go there?
Unless I'm trying to save money for
Japan.
Yeah, because that's that's a.. same
thing with me is I was going to get tickets to WonderCon, but
now that I have tickets to San Diego Comic-Con for this year, I haven't been in a long time.
I'm going to go for a few days for that and then I have that trip
to Japan with Alex and Donnie.
You guys are busy this year.
Busy, busy, busy.
Like, I think that's just kind of..
Because you're still doing Comic- Conon in July.
Yeah, yeah..
That's's what I was going to ask you.
Yeah, are you able to, like, now that your status
with Saturn Awards, are you able to like, I just I'm just curious
because like you are like, you're like where we were at
in Palm St's Comic Con, you, I feel like you're
you're higher up in industry
that you could probably, like have better access than us.
Like, even when we were doing Follow Scicon.
I didn't tell you, I was talking about this just as I was getting tickets for WonderCon.
And the reason I bring WonderCon is I'm actually going to support any
guys like horror films is a new movie coming out called Scared to Death.
If you guys have not heard about, come see it, great New horror film.
I'm working with the press team on that one.
I thought you'd have a good time watching some of that stuff.
Is it premiering at WonderC?
Yeah, there'ssel's a panel on Saturday for.
They're not doing a carpeter there or anything like that?
No, no, this is a panel for that.
But we actually
we actually had a movie release party a couple of weeks ago
in LA at on Altina at
one of the real haunted houses in L.A, which is actually kind of cool.
Nice.
Anyway, so go see Scareda.
If you want to Wonderon, meet you you at the Scare Death panel.
Have you happy to see you guys over there?
Yeah, everyone listening, go meet up with Guy.
You, on the panel, I am supporting the panel with PR team.
So,
But back to what you were saying before.
One of the things I realized is the mistake that we made
is they gave us basically the freebie production
passes, right?
We we should have done was we should have asked for the paid-for
production ones because we could have got we could have got those.
Yeah, they cost $100 bucks whatever it was, still cheaper than a regular pass, right?
But you got a whole bunch of perks to go with the paid one that you didn't
get with with the freebie one that we got.
And that's the biggest thing.
You know, now that part of the academy, I can
I get a paid production ticket for that.
And not have to get turned down or kicked out or
never make it into the little waiting room for the last four years, we'll get involved with..
All right, guys.
I mean, yeah, I I think we did it.
Arnold, just and Alex, do you guys have any final thoughts?
Do you want to just share our quick socials and then we'll wrap her up?
How are we feeling?
Yeah, that's.
All right.
Well, Arnold, actually, no, let's start with Alex really quick.
Yeah, and then we'll go around the room.
So, yeah, Alex
where can people find you?
Yeah, you can find me at Daily Dares on all the socials.
And I will be at
San Diego Comic Con with four out of five of the main guys.
Hopefully all five.
And then we can.
We'll see.
We'll see.
Maybe, maybe.
And then maybe we'll go hang out with a guy if he's not like running around like
at every single panel.
He's just like Mr. Panel roomoom.
You know, I
can't understand the the value of waiting
for a day and a half outside of Hall H.
You're trying to get into H and not getting in there or getting in there, having going to sit through a bunch of stuff.
You don't want to sit through.
There's all this other stuff going on because they're going to have the trailer online there anyway.
I agree.
And there's so many really good panels for small things that people are missing out on.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
You know what?
I think of Comic-Con in Denver.
Denver, Comic-on, guys.
Come on.
Bring it.
Bring it over.
I mean, last year, Donald and I,
we tried to go to 8 Hall H.
We're like, let's just try it.
And I kind of knew that we were, it was
kind of an impossible mission, but we tried it anyways.
And then we just ended up going to one of the smaller panels and we just had probably had a better time
than going to those.
I mean, but I'm I'm with you guys.
I love the smaller panels.
I don't like going to Hall H whatsoever.
You got to be a Hall H hipster.
Like, you go to the panels and nobody's ever heard of.
You go to go to Hall or something.
Yeah, exactly.
You can't say that you have to at least do Hall H one time before you can make that decision.
That's a rite of passage.
I did it one time, and boy, howdy.
Which one did you go to?
Which one did you go to forgot?
I went to the Terminator Dark Fate, so like Arnold Schwarzenegger was there.
So was
what's her name?
Linda Hamilton was there.
Yeah, all of all the.
I bet I bet the panel was better than the movie itself, fol. because that movie was.
You know, I kind of like the movie.
It was It was respectable, but the panel was definitely better than the movie.
Yeah.
Well, Justin, so tell us your quick.
Where can people find you?
Any final thoughts
Let's see.
Yeah, you can follow me, Ghostn 88 for my art stuff and things.
Or you can follow my personal.
It's Shibbs the zombie.
Um, all that good stuff.
Uh, yeah.
Um,
Nice.
That's all.
Thank you, sir.
Arnold, there's no snoozzy meter tonight, but yeah, give us your socials and any final thoughts you man.
He could rate this episode.
No, don't do that.
Did you fall asleep during this episode, Arnold?
You know, I had a really horrible night of sleep last night.
You owe us two hip shakes, by the way.
Oh, okay.
At the minute, at the one hour, 30 30 mark, which we're going to hit in a minute.
So I'm I'll keep going on for that minute to end end
my my little spiel with a little
for health.
We sit for so long to stretch our hips out.
We'll
add a little sexy flavor to it?
Yes.
Yeah.
That's sexy flavor.
That's a boner.
I mean, a bonus.
Oh, I'm Arnical I go everywhere.
You can find me on all the socials
See what I'm up to, whether it's my
normal everyday job or a
lot of the podcast stuff. or a lot of my side husthold
stuff about cooking for clients, my private chefing stuff on the side
make you a little hungry, hungry.
And a little screenplay project we've been working on for a few years now.
I know, right, man.
It's been a while.
We're trying to get that going, trying
to sell that., trying to suits.
I love this.
I've got some interesting information for you guys regarding that.
So I'll tell you after the show.
Oh, nice.
Okay.
Wow.
Okay.
All right.
We'll talk.
At first you had my curiosity, son.
Now you have my attention.
Go ahead, Arnold.
Sorry.
Oh, yeah.
That's all
yeah, that's where you can find me Arnie Collego everywhere and uh
that's it.
I'll end it with a little visual.
Yeah, you do that.
And then Guy, yeah, guy, anything you want to plug, anything
you want to promote, and work can be before find you.
Like like I said, I'm scared to death at WonderCon panel on Saturday if you guys are there.
If you care about me and how much I am in cybersecurity,
you can look me up on LinkedIn or even on Google, under
Guy Roosevelt and see all the things I've done and talk about cyber Security over the last few years.
I'm trying to put together, I've been told I need to put together a substack and start publishing more crap.
So I've been writing some articles the next couple of weeks in publishing some of those things
from a summer skit standpoint.
If you care about all the weird things I follow, you can follow
me as A38DOTTO 38DD
on Instagram and Twitter and Blue Sky.
And I might be posting some more.
Otherwise, I I do post to the Palmreams Comic Con Facebook page
a lot of times you'll see some of the stuff on there as well.
Yeah.
And you're yeah, you said you are on Letterbox,
so you might as well tell us what's your letterbox so we can follow you.
The same thing.
It's OTTO 38E. That's That's
been my nickname handled and Spotify like sixth grade or seventh grade.
Oh, wow.
Well, we appreciate you so much, Guy, for everything you've done for us, for being on the show tonight, for
talking to us about all these great stories.
I'm sure there there's even more stories that we have yet to uncover.
And just know that open invitation to be on this show whenever you'd like.
And we definitely got to decide what movie to discuss with you next.
So.
Oh, yeah..
I'd be happy to come back.
I had a great time.
Absolutely.
Thank you guys.
Thank you.
Thank you for inviting me finally
Long overdue.
Finally, we're glad we were able to make it happen.
No, really.
I really appreciate you guys having here.
It was a really good time.
I am a fan of the podcast.
I listen to listen to Monov.
Oh, nice.
Thank you.
I'm surprised how many of you guys actually have done, so I could go back and listen to some of those.
I will go find that Goonies episode now.
So I can see what you guys think about that.
Yeah.
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Thank you for listening.
And Justin, I don't know if you have any final thoughts, but I do have a final thought, which is whatever you do in life
don't look at Chapelone.
That's all I got to say.
Justin, go ahead.
Support your friends and your friends will support you.
Yes.
Awesome.
All right.