In this episode of The Never Seen It Podcast, Adrian and the crew dive into Gregg Araki’s The Doom Generation (1995)—a chaotic, hyper-sexual, and ultra-violent road movie that captures the raw angst and absurdity of ‘90s youth. From decapitated heads that keep talking to surreal color palettes and unhinged performances, the gang breaks down why this film is both disturbing and oddly heartfelt. They explore Araki’s fearless filmmaking, the film’s queer subtext, and whether something this bold could ever be made today.
Welcome back to The Never Seen It Podcast! This week, the gang—Adrian (@b00tz2big), Alex (@filipinogrigio), Justin (@ghostnerd88), Donnie (@donnieappleseed_), and Arnold (@arnieda1manparty)—take a wild trip through The Doom Generation (1995), Gregg Araki’s cult classic of sex, violence, and absurdity.
Chosen by Alex, the film sparks a lively discussion about Araki’s place in ‘90s indie cinema alongside Tarantino, Kevin Smith, and Spike Jonze. The crew dives into the director’s signature chaos: neon-drenched lighting, exaggerated violence, and surreal comedy that somehow distills a simple story about three lost kids searching for meaning.
They talk about the film’s queer undercurrents—Araki calling it his “heterosexual movie,” while still exploring fluidity, repression, and the politics of identity. Adrian draws parallels to modern filmmakers like Marlon Wayans and Jordan Peele, while Alex compares Araki’s visual flair to modern absurdist films like Boys Go to Jupiter.
Justin breaks down the movie’s striking use of lighting and color gels—reds, greens, and purples that make every frame look like a fever dream. Arnold reflects on how The Doom Generation feels like Natural Born Killers with way more sex and chaos, while Donnie praises the raw, DIY energy and gives it a solid 4.5/5 on Letterboxd.
The crew wraps by asking: could a movie this horny, this violent, this unapologetically weird ever get made today? Maybe not—and that’s exactly why it still matters.
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Mr. Arnie, the One Man Party, a.k.
Arnold Calo, who's drinking a nice voodoo.oh, I like Vood Ranger.
Good stuff, good stuff, Arnold.
I love of them IPAs.
Mr. Daily Dares, akaa.
Filipino Grigio, aka.
Alex Calo, the Brothers Calgo, Mr. Donnie
Appleseed, aka Donnie Guzman, the Cousins, Mr. Ghost Nerd 88.
aka.
Justin Holden.
And there's me, Boots Too Big, aka.
Adrian De Torre.
And the movie we are discussing tonight is a 1995
film directed by Greg Araki, The Doom Generation
Jordan White and Amy Blue.
Two troubled teens pick up an adolescent drifter, Xavier Red.
Together, the threesome embarks on a sex and violence filled
journey through a United States of psychos and Quick marts.
Why does this sound oddly familiar?
Alex, you chose this movie
Why did you choose this movie?
I chose this movie because as y'all
know that I'm a 90s indie film
nerd, I haven't seen this in a long time since maybe
the 90s because it's a hard movie to find.
Although you can't.
It's not.
You could go
to eBay, probably going to buy a copy.
But yeah, it's just.
It spoke to me back in the day just because it
was just one of those movies that I kind of felt like it was a..
It came around the time like Pulp Fiction, Natural Born
Killers, those kinds of films, this ultraviolent type type of deal.
And at the time, I kind of felt like it was trying to emulate Tarantino in a way, but then
you know, you watch it and as well discussed, it it isn't.
It's a little bit more than, it kind of like
takes Tarantino's lunch and eats it, in my opinion.
But yeah, as far as the violence goes, as far as violence goes.
But yeah, it's, I've only I think I've only seen it once or twice
back in the day.
But yeah, I wanted to rewatch it, through
the lens of 40 something, Alex
Calgo, 20 over 20 years later.
And yeah, that's why I chose it.
Well, it was a great pick because I'd never seen it.
A lot of us.
Actually, the rest of us here, I haven't seen it.
Justin, you hadn't seen it.
What was your perception of this movie before you watched it?
I had no perception.
I can't see I'm blind.
No, I'm just kidding.
Duke Generation.
Never seen it before.
It's seems pretty interesting.
Just the title alone.
I was actually expecting a little bit of a different
type of movie, but I was actually pleasantly
surprised by how this film turned out.
I like the
There's a lot of there's a lot of sex in this and
a lot of experimentation.
And then when there is like blood and gore,
uh it's pretty ultraviolent, which is pretty pretty cool.
I think the scene that threw me off the
most was the Quickie Mart. Are they
allowed to call it the Quickie Mart because of like copyright?
Well, anyway.
You know, I was thinking about that.
I think it's just like a generic thing..
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, this actual Quickie marts all across the country that are owned by other people.
Oh, okay.
I guess that makes sense.
I thought that was interesting for the beginning
to kind of set the tone for the rest of the movie.
I thought it was hilarious
when they shot that guy's head off and
he was still able to talk and throw up.
I Honestly, I just got done eating food while that scene was happening.
Because I was I like to eat while watching movies.
Were you eating a glizzy?
No, I was not eating a glizzy.
I was eating
In and out.
Mushy pe.
Mushy peas.
So it kind of it kind of reminded
me of like the secret sauce that I was eating.
Anyway, it was that was very disgusting.
I was like, how can how can a headless man just like vomit?
So the anatomy in the movie is quite strange.
It does remind me a little bit of like ultraviolent, like Tarantino.
I would say I would say is and I it's so weird to say this, but I think
because Tarantino is ultraviolent,
I still think his violence is a little bit more grounded than this film.
Uh, I mean, getting his head shot off by a shotgun
uh, and still able to talk.
Like, and also, um,
how much was that head able to talk after it's been shot off?
Because when the news section came up from it, I thought it was completely hilarious.
They're like, oh, yeah.
And then, uh, his wife, like,
I guess he was talking about who killed him and then his wife in
some like occult type of ritual killed his kids
And, uh, um, and then killed her and stabbed herself or whatever.
I thought that was all completely ridiculous.
But it was it was very interesting and funny.
I thought this movie was was a little bit goofy.
But there was also some like, um, besides
like all the sexuality experimentation
like late teens type of theming going on.
I felt that there was a little bit of a nice
little coming of age story at the same time,
figuring themselves out and they're all just kind of like lost in this bizarre
world and post-apocalyptic
styled society.
I don't know.
It felt like it was like Scott Pilgrim
versus the World, but on like heavy meth or something.
It was kind of interesting to
make that juxtaposition.
Yeah, I had no preconceived notions of this movie whatsoever.
I didn't even read like the blurb, log line or anything like that.
And then when I first started watching it, in the
first few minutes, they're kind of like at a nightclub or something, and the lighting reminded me of
Groove.
And I thought, I was expecting a movie similar to Groove.
And then the Quickie art scene happened with the head.
And that to me set the tone for the rest of the movie.
Like that alone was like, okay, so that's going to be this kind of movie.
Interesting.
Here we go.
And I was not expecting that at all all.
Arnold, were you expecting somebody to have their head chopped off within the first 10 minutes?
I had no idea.
I was thinking like, is this Doom, like Doom the video game wasn't the rock in it?
Wouldn't the Rock, Dude Doom?
But
then I saw it was like the 90s.
And I saw the the
picture of I forgot where I I did
it on Amazon or where I rented it for free or with the free trial.
Anyways, was totally not that.
And Alex was I was going to ask, did
you pick this because it's now the 30-year anniversary of Doom Generation?
I actually The question I real I didn't realize that until after the fact.
Ah.
But yeah, hey.
It's just how things align.
It's just how things align.
It's serendipity.
I just.
Serendipity, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the hand gesture you make when you want to say that sort of thing, right, Arnold?
Right.
You know, like Spock.
Oh, your Spock?
No.
Spock.
I like it.
And then, you know.
Spock, it just like it's common peace or what does he say?
What's the line?
Live and live and let go of..
Live long and prosper you.
Live long and die hard.
Now, live and let go was Evil Spock with the little go goatee.
Have it your way.
Have it your way, yeah.
He works for Burger King now.
Who's got?
He's got We're just going
to do all the 90s commercial opences.
What was it?
Jordan?
Did Jordan kind of make you guys think of Keanu Reeves?
I could see that.
To be honest honest, like during that time, he was often compared to Keanu.
Who You know?
Yeah, he had I'm that boy recognize him from.
I'm like, oh, that that's the son in Independence at RV Parks son..
I was texting Alex about this.
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah.
Is't he in Donnie Darko also?
Yeah.
Yeah, he's in Donnie Darko.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
He have to rewatch Donnie Darko.
The rabbit guy a movie.
That's a good one.
He's actually kind of considered the
Parker posey of the 90s.
The male Parker posey?
The male Parker Posey of the 90s.
Wait, Keanu or the guy that plays Jordan?
it James Duall is his name.
James Duall, yeah.
Interesting.
I never.
I would have thought Keanu was the Parker posey of male actors.
He did a lot more big girls.
Would you say Keiano is a Sandra Bullock of male actors?
I don't know why that it's even a good analogy Bullock.
Although
I don't know.
Listen, let's speed out of this out this conversation.
Yeah, we're not talking about speed that movie.
What was that?
Amy?
She was she was sorry, Molly.
There's Molly hacking again.
Every time he gets
making her cameo.
I keeping you living a rest home, Arnold?
Molly, go over there.
Because she saw me eating pork ri, so she's always looking for food.
I thought it was funny how they're like, oh, yeah.
You know, I I'm not hungry.
Remember?
I'm speeding.
I think that's what she said, right?
That is what she said, yeah.
Something like that.
I'm speeding.
Exactly what she said.
Wow, wow, wow.
I mean, back in the day, we would use to say, we're
tweaking.
Yeah, yeah.
People would say that we're tweaking.
You're tweaking the story now is what you're doing, Ar.
But in all seriousness, and all
I was going to say, we, by the way, we're streaming live on
YouTube and Twitch, if anybody out there is
watching us of the four people you four, talk to us.
We have a Christopher in the chat, Pokey Wosey.
I don't know if that's trying to rhyme with Parker Posey, but hello, Chris, welcome
I think they're saying.
Pokehoozy?
Pokeyhoozy.
Who the hell are you talking about?
Because you know what?
Quite frankly, Adrian, who are you talking about?
Parker Posey?
Parker Posey.
I don't know who that is.
So she, well,
she was in Alex?
So, okay, so she was in..
She was in White Lotus.
Did you watch White Lotus recently?
She was in.
Ds and Confused.
That was like one of her.
She's best known for her role, star
making role in the indie film Party Girl.
Oh, okay.
Definitely.
Yeah.
I't You've probably seen that cover.
You've've probably seen it scrolling through like Amazon or something like that.
But yeah, she.
You probably know her face if you saw it.
Okay.
And and she's actually in the Doom Generation as well.
She's in that bar
scene where it's like...
Oh, yes.
Oh, the blonde one.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, okay.
The one that st.
The one that stabs the guy.
The man in the dick.
Yes.
Yeah.
I forgot about that.
Oh, that's the one.
Donnie, what was your perception of the zoom before you watched it?
I didn't have any either.
I've never watched it.
I've always seen it like I've came across it, but I just never picked it up surprisingly.
But I didn't know what to expect either.
Once we got to that scene with
In the Quickie Mart, that's when I kind of picked up on like the
humor that was going to be prevalent in throughout the movie.
But before that, I really didn't know what to expect or I didn't know
you know, I didn't know how the movie was going to go.
It was interesting, though, to see their fashion
sense, but now in this day and age where it's very relevant, right?
It's back to basically trending to what they were
wearing back then madeade full circle.
So, yeah, that was interesting.
I really love the lighting.
I love the sets.
I mean, this is Greg Arai's biggest budget, I think, or at that time.
It was like a million dollars
which is considered small, right?
But like what they did with that and how they stretched it and how they utilized it was, I thought was phenomenal.
I agree.
And you know what?
So
Rose McGowan, the star of the movie movie, Beautiful in the whole movie.
You know, you can say that again, my friend.
She She was almost homeless,
and she did this movie because she needed a paycheck.
I was reading about that.
I was like, wow.
So so she, you know, did this movie because she was like in a tough spot.
And
and I don't know that she regrets it.
I think I was reading something that she may have regretted a lot of the sex stuff.
I don't know.
But um How old was she?
when she did that?
I wonder.
Oh, she was she had to early 20s.
She had like like a really, really baby face at the beginning, there was like some close-ups.
I was like, man,
maybe it's the makeup, but it looks like like a little, like doll.
To be fair To be fair, she's always had that kind of baby face.
And least I needed someone
at the time to play an 18-year old, so I guess that kind of makes sense.
Because in the movie, she's described as being 18
or something like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a lot of sort of what
I would call anti-religious, not symbolism,
anti-religious sort of motifs in this movie.
There's this, everything costs $6.66, which, by the
way, talk about an inflation marker, huh?
Everything Can you imagine if everything costs 6.66 now?
That'd be great.
But obviously, 666, the number of the beast,
666 Somebody said, I' like a devil on Facebook.
One of our Facebook comments of love.
You remember, somebody called me like, and then one of our videos, I screenshotted it.
One of our videos got 666 views, so
do that with what you will.
And when
Alex and I, we went to SeaWorld's Hollow screen this
weekend, bought two waters, and it came out to $6.66.
Nice.
I' of are individually.
Together.
Tog Really?
That's actually really cheap.
So I see that on purpose.
I think they did that on.
333.
I think.
Oh, I know, right?
It must have.
They must have given us like a 69% off or something like that.
I don't know.
Yeah, or maybe it was $4.20 off.
You know what I'm saying?
But there is a lot of sort of anti-religious motifs in this film.
And it's interesting, right?
Because we're talking in the 90s here.
We're talking like peak, like people were fearmongering
about devils stuff, devil worshiping and like the Church of
Satan and all that and Dare and Do you know where your kids are and all that kind of bullshit?
Hucks, do you remember that?
Do you remember..
Do you think that this movie was sort of speaking out against that, that period of time?
Or what do you what do you think of that?
I don't I don't really feel like they were speaking out against that or anything.
This movie was a commentary
on that era in general.
They kind of.
I was listening to the soundtrack on my way home.
Oh, great soundtrack, by the way.
Yeah.
The very first song that plays
is Nine Inch Nailss heresy, where there's like, God is dead and no ones. cares.
And that's kind of like, that whole like sort
of era of music is very politically charged,
very, like, you know, if you listen to a lot of the bands, you know, you got... 90 inch snails
Rage Against the Machine, a Radiohead even, like,
especially Radiohead, when okay Computer comes out.
Very, very political, very, you know know, uh Tool.
Tool is another band that's that was very political.
And, you know, a lot of that was,
you know, also religiously charged because
they kind of foresaw what's kind of going on right now.
You know, they saw, they're seeing this like Christian
nationalist sort of
thing going on that, you know,
people for decades have been warning about, you know, this sort of like government
and religion, you know, combining
to be this sort of movement that is
weaponizing a faith, which,
you know, Arnold and I grew up Christian.
I still believe, but I
don't believe the way that like, like, I
don't believe in the God that a lot of these people believe in, right?
Like, there's there's a song that like
we grew up felic singing in church is like, just
loves little children, all the children of the world, red and yellow, black and white, all are precious in his sight.
And I think about that song
and like, none of that rings true with
any of the the, quote unquote Christians.
If that were were like the thing that
they were living by, then why is it that
Like we have all these problems with
like, what they're doing, you know?
And so that's kind of what they first saw in
a lot of that era.
We need to sing that song with them.
Nope.
They're not going to listen.
Well, maybe that's why they won't.
Maybe by singing it, by virtue of singing it, you will get them to listen.
You'll get them to use their brain, right?
Yeah.
Maybe I'll whistle it first and then they'll be like, hey, that's a nice little melody.
What's some whistle?
I mean, not that.
Someone's
going to take that audio clip and use it in the next horror movie.
Good, yeah.
Yeah, that'd be awesome.
Residuals are in the mail.
That's actually a good idea.
I want to talk about the plot.
They kill the cashier by accident.
Well, actually, let's back up.
Xavier, so.
What's her name?
Rose McConnell.
Amy?
Amy.
Amy.
Amy.
And Jordan are in the Quickiemar, and they don't
have money to buy a hot dog and some other stuff.
So the Korean shop owners like, no, it brings out a shotgun.
It's like, you pay now, or, you know,
right?
Because he's like At
the beginning, it says, shoplifters will be executed.
So they're serious.
Oh, Especially in.
In this environment, it's
like, it seems like a judge dread type of thing or
like broocop type of society.
That's what I get out of it.
It's like
when you see things like that, that shop keeper is serious.
It's like, you're going to steal, even if it is like only 666, I'm going to kill you.
It seems like that's why that whole thing sets up the they,
which is why I think it's this kind of dystopian kind of world they live in in a little bit, a little bit.
Yeah.
And that's why that opening scene is so important because it sets up the rest of the movie.
They can't pay for the food.
They can't pay for whatever.
And then Xavier, the weird drifter that they
ran into at the beginning of the movie, comes in and basically
saves the day in a way, except sort of not really, but in a way, he does.
He struggles with the shop owner
and then somehow his head gets blown off and then they're on the run for the rest of the movie.
Like that's like it's a road movie, road trip movie, but they're on the run for the majority of it.
And and they run into all kind of cast of characters who
all of them know Amy, the girl Amy, but she doesn't know
who they are and then I thought they were going to eventually explain that and they never did.
Go ahead.
Yeah, what do you guys make of that?
They think they
Well, they's what I'm asking..
They think they know her.
But then I one of the questions I have is
like, maybe she does know them and she's playing it off
because, you know, she's a runaway.
And she's like, doesn't have a good like solid family family life
You know, she, she's like, does drugs.
And she's, she uses people to
get what she wants, you know, but More Alys a couch hopper.
Pretty much.
But then she, what happens is she meets Jordan?
Is that his name?
Jordan?
James Duvall's.
Jordan.
And he's this like sort of naive
really, like, youthful,
exuberant type of deal, yet he was also, he also feels lost and he doesn't know what he's to want.
But he's like, he's like of the three, he's the most optimistic, you know?
The rest of the rest of them are very nihilistic.
And I think I think that's why
later on in the film, you see this,
the sexual tension between Amy and X like culminate and they just go for it.
What's funny is there's a sexual tension between X
and Jordan as well, you know, but that never culminates.
Yeah, I wanted to talk about that because they heavily, heavily.
tease this sexual attention between Jordan.
Like there's so many moments throughout this movie where they're
in a hotel or they're in a car or there's somewhere and, you know,
one guy's head is like this and another guy's head is like this and like they're
millimeters away from each other, staring into each other's eyes, talking like
the way Arnold talks to that red pillow thing.
And you think they're going to like start making it down?
You's closer than that, Arnold?
Well, put it upside down, Arnold, put it upside down.
There's no visual demonstration at one point.
Yeah.
Yeah, and one's seen their nose touched, actually.
Their nose touch, yes, like they's so..
And each time I was expecting them to.
Do you think that was like Iraqis like, like,
Because, you know, it's kind of like his heterosexual film, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I think it's a part of like his like sense of humor, like trying to, you know, play on that.
The opening titles of the movie say a heterosexual film by Gregor Rocky.
I was like, oh, nice.
Okay.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Apparently, this is a.
Go ahead.
This was like the sandwich of like, what do they call it?
Like three movies.
Apocalypse.
The.
Yeah, Apocalypocalypse.
I haven't seen the other two.
I definitely want to watch them now and see what it's about.
I've seen nowhere, the one after it, but I have never seen the first one.
Isn't James DuVall in one of them also?
one all three.'s in all three.
He's in all three.
Oh, he's in all three?
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Gregor Rocky directed the Dahmer show on Netflix.
I didn't know that.
Oh, yeah.
Oh.
Oh, I didn't know that either.
That's.
Yeah, that was a good one.
That was a good one.
That was.
Oh, wow.
I didn't that was an interesting show?
You know what I love about Gregoraki is is he
leans really heavily into the abs absurd
absurdity, you know, the head getting caught off,
but still being able to talk, you know.
The abstract nature of his movies make the
topics that he talk for feel
very simple, you know?
If you think about it, like, so take
away the whole like sort of like the shop owner,
like still being able to talk hours and hours after his head gets cut off.
You still have this story of these kids
who are lost, you know and it's a very simple story
but it's just, you know, and it's like this whole idea of like experimenting.
But he utilizes the absurdity to
exaggerate the situations.
You know?
Yeah.
And I think that's like really genius.
Like I watched a movie recently called
The Boys Go to Jupiter and they do the same thing thing in this
like animated film, like very absurd, you know, but
it was just like the story in that is like a very simple
about like a kid feeling
lost and not knowing what he wants out of his life and then he finds his place.
And I think, you know, in a way like those, that's
another movie that could be like, you know, companion
to the D Generation in No Strangeway.
Yeah.
Well, I'm glad you bring that up because this movie is unabashedly violent and full of sex.
There's lots of sex scenes in this movie.
And like the first one, you're like, okay, wow, then that's probably going to be it.
But no, there's a lot of fucking in this movie.
It's a very horny movie.
And I wanted to ask you guys, do you think that a movie this horny
was get made today by either mainstream or indie directors?
Because I don't think so, but I'll say you guys?
Maybe only in Serbia.
Shout out to the episode of Serbian film.
Yeah.
Oh, no.
Here?
Yeah.
I mean, what do you think?
I mean, Donnie, like, you know, you know how like how prudish this
new generation is of kids?
Like, do you think they would watch a movie like this?
No, I don't I don't think it would be
be done differently.
It'd be done more artistically, I think.
But not to say this is not artistic, right, but I think they would find a
different way to do it, but I think this is too much for.
They try to cancel it.
We talked about Honora on this show, and that movie had a lot of sex, too.
That's true, but this was more like in your face.
Wouldn't you say It compared to?
Honor was very artfully done.
Right.
Exactly.
That's what I mean, right?
It'd almost be like a
soft porn versus like versus hard.
Yeah.
I know.
This was like hardcore.
They're like talking about like, oh yeah, when the balls slap together and
you can feel the and then her and then you can But you know what?
It's It was a good, it was a good.
They really showed, you know, if you think back to when you
were in that age that age, it's like, that's how you think.
That's how you talk.
They displayed it very well through film, like the way he wrote it..
Like, you can really feel that there're a part of this subculture They're not accepted in America.
Like people judge them because of the way they think.
They dress, they act or, you know, what they like and what they dislike.
He encapsulates that in the film.
And I think a part of the way he did that also was because of how he filmed it, right?
I think that was a big portion of it.
That's a good point.
Christopher in the chat, Christopher says, and I think he's referring to Ros McGowan here.
You tell me, Chris, does she just have one of those familiar faces or is she avoiding them to manipulate
And then he says, the themes really seem ahead of its time
in some ways, like the director was playing with ideas that on the surface are
very horny and violent, but also very vulnerable, weirdly, like an edgy A24 movie.
That's a great point.
That's a great point.
I wish this movie was in 4D.
I don't know how it would work in the fourth dimension.
I feel like causality just imagine the theater
seating like rock to the scenes.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I was like, oh, d..
What's doing in my butt?
What's like a finger.
Peter attendance is coming in there and feeling it up all the time.
I like that we're doing this movie, streaming live while
after I invited my folks to watch the live stream.
There's seven people people viewing this recording right now.
So to U7,
go away now, because we're going to talk about now.
Yes, sir, Mr. Delatory.
That's Sñor and Señora Delatator to you.
Yes, that's right.
Do you guys think he's like trying to make like,
trying to get across that whole thing about America?
Is that just me or is it?
Because I feel like there's a lot of references going to...
Because even their names is red, white, and blue..
I'm glad you right that up.
Nazis, the song in the end, it's like all American the..
This movie is as American as apple pie because I think I said it before.
We love we pretend not to like sex in this country, but we don't not pretend to love violence.
We love violence in this country.
And this movie offers us both on a silver platter.
Like there, you know, so I think this movie couldn't be more American if you tried.
You know what I mean?
So
I exemplifies that.
Go ahead.
Also, the fact that he, he's
like a well-known gay icon, the director, Doraki,
he's like, you know, obviously, being in that
subculture, I don't know if that's a correct term, I don't want to be offensive..
Well, being part of the LGBTQ community, I mean.
Yeah, yeah, because they're not a subculture.
They are, you know, they're just like us, right?
They're part of the.
They're a marginalized group.
That's for.
Yeah, they are a marginalized group, and so there is a lot of politicizing
of like what they have to deal with, right?
And so, obviously, in his films, he's
going to have to have, he's going to watch to have, you know, that kind of commentary, right?
About America and how he, how the LGPDQ
community is seen, you know, And this is kind of like,
if you think about it, it's it's his heter in
quotes that his heterosexual film, but it's
really about like exploration, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He like, like te like he's he' teases like, there's
like a very explicit dialogue where he's talking about when you know, he's
if you have a three-way and you can fill the
other guy's penis inside the room.
I want to cut that just for social media.
Yeah, please do.
But it's like this thing, it's this thing, right?
Where he's like trying to like see he's
So X is trying to see where Jordan is at, right?
You know, and and that's that's kind of the thing, too.
Like I was thinking about like when I first watched re-watched this,
who was it from him, the new
movie from produced by Jordan P?
Oh, one of the Wayne's Brothers?
Yeah, one of the Wayne's brothers, and they talked to me.
Damon?
He had Yeah, he had talked about like how Snoop
Dogg was saying like, oh, in film,
like, film and TV day, they're trying to like
you know, teach people to to be gay.
And he's like, what they're not teaching.
I thought Snoop Dogg was the one that said that recently.
No, yeah, no, Snoop yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.
Snoop Dogg.
Oh you're sorry, sorry.
Yeah, Marlon Waynes came back.
He's like, we're not trying to teach people to be gay.
We're trying to teach people empathy.
And I think about this movie.
That's another reason why I think I chose this movie
what really push for it was because, you know, I
throughout my whole life, like since working at VD Depot,
I've seen a lot of films that were like, like LGQ,
like theme, like produced films.
And, you know, I even, I even went,
like, like all throughout my life, I've seen films.
Like there's a movie called Chuck and Buck that with like me, me and my friend Anna, like we watched it.
We went into seeing it.
I was like, this is an interesting film.
It was like two kids like exploring their sexuality.
And it helped create
empathy, especially my friend Anna.
You know, they identify
as, you know, LGP in the queer world.
And
it honestly helped me feel
more connection to
they're polite of what they have to deal with, you know?
And I think that's the whole thing with like doomed generation as well.
They're creating empathy in a way that
is makes feel
similar to like the heterosexual.
Like there's almost this, I don't want to saychangeability,
but like this sort of, again, empathy.
Right.
And I like the idea that people on the right seem to think that there's
this gay agenda when when there's millions upon millions
of hours of heteronormative movies and shows and books and comics and video games,
are we trying to make people straight?
Like, how come there's no one talks about the heterosexual agenda?
Like, come on, you know what I mean?
You're not going to turn someone gay by showing two men kissing
on movies is what I'm I'm.
I think there's a lot of Iraqis like personal, like
like this is a lot of like, like it's personal, right?
Like a lot of this is things that he probably experienced growing up being identifying
as LGBT and also being a minority group.
Like I think he's Japanese, right?
So, I feel like a lot of it is like
very personal, but of course, exaggerated, but very personal.
And think about how bold that is given the time period, right?
You have a gay Japanese director making a movie with gay themeses in
a time that was 20 years before same-sex marriage, when
it was still taboo to be out, you know, publicly.
Like, when Ellen came out in the 90s, that was a huge deal, you know?
Oh, even even in Japanese culture, it's kind of
like really taboo to be queer.
Yeah.
And that that's one of the many aspects that I appreciate about
this movie is that Gregor Rocki's really pushing the envelope, and you
can tell, like, this is this is an auteura film through and through.
Like, this does not look or feel or sound like it was made by committee, right?
Like it doesn't feel like a big studio movie at all.
And I think that's what makes it part of what makes it so great.
Going back to like, like the whole theing of
like, is this movie, does the sexualization of this movie
can that exist in today's society?
And I say yes.
And I say yes because because I think the way this
movie was filmed was very artistically chosen.
I feel like the scenes in particular, although
very hot and heavy, they did represent
the personalities of each individual character.
And the things I notice about
the sex scenes progressing throughout the movie is that each
one kind of like progressed slowly until
like the very ending, the climax.
And I think it's just
like them all figuring each other out into the very end with
that last scene and just kind of getting torn apart by,
you know, these American men, you
know, that was absolutely insane.
With the Nazis.
Yeah, the American Nazis, whatever the hell they were, um Pre much.
Yeah.
So I think, I think that the sex plays a huge
role in this movie as like a developing
scenario over the course of the film.
I also think that Xavier
and Jacob both play a role as
like a devil's advocate kind of thing.
Jacob is more of the
you know, left side, right side, shoulder type of deal.
Jacob is the more grounded levelhead,
like, hey, you know, think about this.
You know, this guy, uh, he's got
nowhere to go, or he's, you know, having a hard time.
You know, let's give this guy a chance.
And then Xavier's just like, come on, let's just move on to the next thing.
Let's do this thing
You know, just kind of like, I feel like they're
just kind of like talking heads in between Amy throughout
the duration of the film as well.
And even Amy at one point in time calls
them like, uh, like, you're like a
real devil X or whatever she says to him in regards
to him being like, ev oh, like you're really evil or something like that.
So I feel like, I feel like Xavier in particular
is kind of like in his own right, uh,
the devil of the group, just kind of being like someone
in Amy's ear the entire time.
But Xavier's also that temptation and
she keeps going for that temptation over the course of
the movie a while while Jacob's trying to reel her back, but he's
also keeping a distance because he's like, or sorry, Jordan.
Jordan keeps reeling her back and being like,
hey, you know, do what you got to do pretty much.
I don't care
but I'm going to be your voice of reason in some shape or form.
That's a good, that's a great point.
I almost feel like it reminds me of you got Jordan on
one shoulder and X on the other, right?
Like how you were saying the whole angel versus devil analogy?
Yeah, I never thought about that.
That's actually my idea.
I agree with you,, Justin.
But what I do think, though, when it came to Amy
at the dynamicamic between Amy and X, I think Amy
already was like that, but she was just,
she saw a mirror.
She saw X as a mirror.
And so so he like kind of, she
fell for that because of like how alike they were.
And and he did that that dance that Arnold is doing right now.
That's what X was doing to Woo Amy in the end.
You know what?
I was thinking of something else
that was filmed recently that was just as like raunchy, if you want to say.
And I did think of something, not a movie, but a show.
Oh, jeez, I had it.
It's on HBO.
I just said I just told you I was watching it.
What is it called again?
Euphoria.
Euphoria is like that.
Oh, yeah.
Eup right?
Ehoria.
That's pretty recent..'t know my name.
Yeah.
So I would I would say a movie like this would
be made and maybe even to an extent of
this, maybe even it would go further
I see that the youth of today are exposed
to far, far more than they used to.
Like back in the 90s.
Like you said, Adrian, it was taboo.
These days, not so much taboo.
I think the only thing that's keeping filmmakers from
going just like as hardcore is
wanting to keep it under in our rating
so they can have audiences come see their movie.
I feel like if something like this were to be made,
it would definitely be like a streaming and exclusive type of deal.
So they can have that unrated..
By the way, did you guys watch the unrated version or the regular?
Because I know there's like 14 minutes.
Unrated, actually, I think.-rated version?
What was the unrated or what did it?
Oh, whoa, whoa.
You're right.
There's a either, I don't know if it's RPG-13.
That was the theatrical release was toned down, and Greg
Irai has publicly stated that he completely disowns that version.
He only stands by the unrated version, which I watched on Canopy.
I'm assuming that was unrated.
I watched it on Amazon, which was
through..rated, I'm assuming too.
Gregoraki's streaming service, the Strand.
That's what I watched on it, too.
Yeah, that's the one I..
Okay.
Canopy is cool.
Do you guys know about.
I know you mentioned Canopy.
I just learned about Canopy.
That is pretty cool cool.
Arnold the Library card?
Oh, no, no.
I did the, what do you call it?
The strand.
What was it stranded or something?
Strangled?
Strand releasing.
Strand releasing.
I't know what that is.
Yeah.
No, that's What I'm talking about Strand releasing is the streaming service..
Which is
piggybacked on to Amazon.
Oh, I see.
And it's like, it's Gregor Rocky's
studio, but all his films, plus like other queer
films that that he curates onto that service as well.
And I just want to say I queer films, but I think it's a lot of his style.
I don't this is a movie you can like
like this because in an era where
all these legacy networks are being bought by conservative
billionaires, it's going to become the Disney vacation of everything if we don't.
If we don't support your indie artists.
I feel like filmmakers
don't have the balls to take risks like this these days.
I do feel like it can be made.
I just don't feel like, like a lot of filmmakers,
they've they've really watered down their ability
to tell stories like this, you know, in this way.
Like, this is a movie, like, think the only person that I could compare
doing this kind of filmmaking is,
like, Lloyd Kaufman from, like, Troma.
And Troma's already known for just being balls to the walls.
I don't know if you guys.
Did he recently do the Toxic Avenger?
Well, they remade Toxic Avenger, and that
was like kind of crazy balls to the walls.
Like it definitely.
I love that movie. so much.
I want to see I definitely want to buy that movie once it comes out on.
Yeah, I feel like Gregor Rocky and like Jim Jarmouche, for example,
and other more indie directors like that, they're the punk rock directors, right?
They're not the
the Spielbergs or the, you know...
They do what they want to do.
They do what they want to do.
And even if it makes no money.
You know, recently, Paul Thomas Anderson came out
with one battle after another.
And Paul Thomas Anderson, you know, it's banger after banger after banger.
But here's the thing I learned recently
All his movies combined have only made about $300 or $300
million, all of his movies. combined.
Like his movies are always, you know, they
do great with the critics and with the audiences, but they never make money.
And he's a great director.
You know, so I feel like he's the closest you get to like a mainstream
sort of punker rock director and followed maybe closely by Steve Soderberg.
I don't know.
But yeah, the directors that make bold choices,
you know, they're the ones that are going to, you know, be remembered more, I guess.
You know, I mean, movies like this, we're still talking about it. 30 years later, right?
On the 30-year anniversary.
On the 30-year anniversary after we got our anniversary on this show
I've never seen a podcast. just had to throw that on.
Sorry, Alex, you were saying something?
No, no, I was I was saying almost to the day.
I think it came out October 25th, 30 years ago.
Wow.
Oh, look at that.
Hey, Professor Pixel's back.
Professor Prisol was back in the chat.
What up,?
He says, hey, dudes, Donnie Darko is pretty epic.
Haven't seen Toxic Avenger.
Have good things about one battle after another.
Well, yeah.
Let us know what you thought, Professor Pixel, once you watch it.
Provisor Pixel, by the way, is my co-host on the Book Brothers podcast.
Quick plug for that.
David Cardo.
So he also recently wrote a book called Project Red Plan.
Arnold, get your library card ready.
If you're going to read that.
Because you know me, you know, I'm such a reader.
I like how we're always showing your stuff on this show.
Yeah, there you go.
I'm still getting through this, remember?
Comics.
We got, you know, other podcasts,
podcasts. you reading that like letter to letter?
It's like, is that one I f you so long?
What?
It's like, you got that on Comic-Con.
When was Comic-Con?
Yeah, that was like, what, three months ago already?
Geez.
Two?
It's okay.
Listen, as long as you're reading, that's all that matters, Arnold.
Even if you read.
Did you know that if you read one book a year, you're already in like in the top 10% of readers in the country?
Because like that's
you.
I know.
That's.
That's why I do two.
Two books.
You know, Well, who's your favorite authoror?
Dost Tesski?
I was just going to say, it isn't coincidental.
Reading is fundamental.
Oh.
That's What do you call that?
An old Forest Car Wash.
I'm going to put that in the episode.
It isn't What was it?
The more You Know, it was one more You know on NBCBC things.
The What's the saying, Arnold?
It isn't coincidental.
It's incidental.
Is that what you said?
It isn't coincidental.
Reading is fundamental.
Ooh.
Yes.
But I don't know what it was a coincidental
in relation.
It's okay.
So I just wanted to say that.
You said one of what's my favorite author?
Or L. Stein.
It's I love R.
L. Stein.
It's.
Yeah, it's.
That's, right?
It's kind of up there with R.
L. Steiner and Brett Easton Ellis.
Hey, Adrian, aren't you reading a book
by Brett Easton Ellis?
Yes, I reading American Psycho.
Yeah.
Which book was Arnold's favorite American Psycho is
reading Rainbow with LeVar Burton.
Where he reads for you.
Yes.
And that's the tangent of the night, ladies and gentlemen.
No.
Love thear.
But yeah, back to Doom Generation.
There's so much more to say about this movie.
I mean, I, I'm sure Alex, you've got reams of notes, but
the plot-wise, the story is actually pretty simple.
And it's a road trip movie, and I was reading just
a minute ago that even though they filmed it in Los Angeles, Gregor
Rocky didn't want to show any like famous landmarks of LA.
He wanted it to feel like some post-apocalyptic,
you know, industrial type city that could be anywhere USA, I guess.
But the characters, the plot is, like I said, it's pretty simple.
They kind of go from place to place because they're always getting chased
by somebody that recognizes Amy, the guy at the drive-through, the
a Parker Posey at the clothing shop or whatever. the hell that was.
And then there's, let's talk about the
Nazis, the Nazi guys at the very end.
Yeah.
They call her Bambi?
Yeah.
Is that is that what his name was?
I don't remember.
Well, that's what they were calling here to like Bambi refring to Amy as Bambi.
Yeah.
Wait, so did we have any leading theories on who any of these people are at all?
Is there any more context?
Or did you.
Did Gregor Rock, you just want to leave it kind of ambiguous?
Yeah, it's, I truly believe it was meant to be ambiguous.
But like I said, I think it might be like
hinting at her past.
Like how I said, she's a runaway.
She like, doesn't, you know, she does things to get
by, you know, so she uses people.
But like Jordan is the first person that she doesn't use.
She actually genuinely loves him, you know?
And if you notice at the very end, he he's like, Amy, I love and then they they
kill him..
And then they choppy, choppy?
Yeah, so yo, that was that was wild.
Yeah, so let's talk about that.
Sooppy, your pee pee.
Jordan is a is a a pure soul.
He is the purest soul throughout this entire movie
I did not expect him to get killed in the end.
I thought if anything, either Amy or Expert for sure, one of them was going to die.
And I thought that Jordan was going to walk off into the nihilistic sunset
that, you know, they sort of thought I thought set up.
But no, in the end, spoiler alert, for a 30-year-old
Jordan dies and he dies in a very gruesome way.
And do we want to talk about it?
Do we want to go into detour, or should we just say, should we keep it vague?
I guess we did certainly film so we could talk about anything at this one.
I feel like I feel like a lot of movies
Oh,.
Did he die from bleeding out from his penis?
I bowl.
Well, I I would I would think so, possibly.
But, Donnie, what were you using?
No, I was just going to say a lot of movies during this time frame.
Like, did it really end happy, right?
I think it was part of like... the type of movie it was.
If you think back.
Yeah, if you looked at Have you guys seen Suburbia?
Yeah, it's like a Suburbia, yeah.
Wasn't that with
Shay Above?
No.
What am I thinking about?
This This is Disturbia..
That's Yeah.
Yeah, I just confused Suburbia with Disturbia.
Who's Suburbia?
Suburbia is Giovo Rubi is in it.
Gir
What's the name of the director?
Oh, I know.
I know.
Richard Linklater.
I Richard Oh, Richard Linklater, yeah.
Licklater.
Yeah.
Arnold.
I'm lying about knowing all this stuff, Arnold..
Arnold knows all the directors now.
Alex.
Come on.
Yeah, 20 directors, Arnold.
Name 20 directors.
I'm Checking the TikTok L right now.
Alfred Hitchcock, Albert Hitchcock.
Alfred Hitchcock.
Michael B. Yeah, sorry, I lost my train of thought there.
What were you saying, Alex?
No, that's it.
That's it.
Yeah, so the ending, yeah, fine.
Fuck it.
We'll talk about it.
Yeah, The pure I was awesome.
They're having they're having a threesome.
They're having a nice little threesome in this weird warehouse,
you know, as you do when you're on the run from Johnny Law, which, by
the way, Johnny Law has one scene in this movie and then nothing.
And that was another thing that was not paid off.
And I'm wondering what the symbolism is behind that, which we can get into.
But there.
That's what you do when you're running from the law and when you're speeding.
And when you're speeding and when you're eating glizzzyzies from the Quickie
mart and all that, and cussing like a sailor, they're having a threesome
and then the fucking Nazis Nazis always ruin everything.
You know, they come in.
The color of those nacho cheese in it was like really odd.
It' it like the Was it like neon orange
It was.
A little extra neon.
It looked like traffic cone orange.
Oh, Since you mentioned that, I didn't want to talk about it.
Oh, go ahead, Justin.
Oh, no, you go.
Are you guys to talk about the se?
Oh, I was, are about both, but yeah.
Oh, I was like, his sean looked a little chunky?
Like, what the fuck was going on there?
Did you guys remember that part?
It looked like.
I do vaguely remember.
Oh, on his hand Yeah, on his hand.
I was like, what is that?
Why does it have like little like. speck?
Yeah, a little spele.
Yeah, like texture on it.
I'm like, what is it?
Oh, yeah.
It was.
It's his protein.
He's not digesting
Christopher says it was radioactive.
I mean, they didn't drink water.ation of the
movie, so there was no water drinking at all.
Yeah, Amy just smoked cigarettes the whole time.
Cigarettes and beer?
She had a Diet Coke, I think, once.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, dude, I love the
fast food workers' uniforms.
Those are great.
Oh, yeah, what was that?
I don't remember now.
Again, just leaning into the. like a Gregor Rock's
absurd absurdism, you know, like.
Let's take something like McDonald's or whatever philosphee thing and just like
blow it up very exaggeratedly, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Seems like almost like he's friends with like David Cho or something.
Yo, David Cho, man.
He's amazing.
Greg, Greg, Greg Garaki's way
older than.
Different, but like, hey.
How's David Cho?
Is that a wrestler, Arnold?
No, no, no.'s Angeles's an artist?
Oh
You might have seen his stuff.
Arnold Look into him.
He's favorite wrestler.
He's very interesting.
He's a very interesting guy.
Yeah.
Favorite wrestler?
It's kind of up there with Valve Venus or Ultimate Warrior.
M. Did you watch?
The famous clip that is always a meme on Reddit
where somebody throws mankind off a hell in a cell or something.
Oh, the Undertaker?
Oh, yeah..osh, man.
Is there more context behind that I'm missing or is it it just a famous thing?
watch the
the Dark Side of the Ring episode on that.
Darks of the Ring.
Okay.
Yeah, they talked about that.
I'm going to share that clip of Oh, I did.
I will.
I will watch it.
I say you.
I'll go watch that.
That's all you have to say.
Vince McMah, what's the one?
Were there any're interviewing him and he's like, that shit?
Yeah, like he doesn't want to show any tears.
Yeah, that's definitely a meme.
I'm surprised that man can have any kind of human human
emotion considering some of the shit that he said.
But you know what?
I'm going to get attacked by wrestling fans on when I post this.
So you know what?
I'm going to zip it, because I know Dude, I'll give you I got your back.
I'm
Dude, I said one time on TikTok,
wrestling is for juvenile 13 year olds, and I got bombarded with hate comments.
Like, people were not happy with it.
I said that.
Yeah, it is, but it also for adults who appreciate
like that pro wrestling as well.
And Alex was one of the commenters.
That's hilarious.
So those nachos, huh?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ved at nachos.
I love that it's all the anti-relig all the anti-religious
symmetry and nihilism themes and unabashed sex,
you guys focus are focusing so much on these nachos that I can't even remember.
Because they were atrocious.
they were more of, what do you call it?
They were more of blasphemy than anything else in the movie.
Bible.
Speaking of blasphe.
But, yo, those hot dogs look good, though.
Those hot dogs.
Dies did look bad.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what?
They show that all shows in a couple times in the movie that movie, right?
Oh, yeah, they always had like nachos around, but as like a side character
Yeah.
But, no, the one thing
I wanted to talk about was like the last scene in that warehouse thing.
So I'm I guess I'm a little confused or maybe I wasn't like fully
paying attention to this part, but it's like, did they did they like like
hold up in this place for the night?
they just found this random warehouse.
And then they had like a torch and everything and then they just saw this like mattress on the ground.
They were like, all right, this looks like a good bed to fuck in.
Or did they, because it
also seemed like someone like put them up for the night.
They're like, oh, yeah, like, here's a bed that y'all can have.
But it's like dead center in the middle of the warehouse.
Like, I didn't really understand that point.
I was operating under the assumption that they were just breaking
into any place they could, even the hotel.
That's what I thought, too.
I never saw them pay for a hotel room or ask, go up to the night clerk or whatever.
They just kind of went in there.
But they also, like, after, like they had all
those their little conversations with each other, you know, X
talking to Jordan about like having a threesome.
I think that they did that those kind of just led to
like them being like, oh, let's have a threesome, right?
So they they went into it.
Because like, especially like, after
Jordan had C
X and Amy having sex in the hotel
room and he didn't like react in like the very negative way.
No.
He was like actually kind of like turned on about it.
And that's one of the things I take from this film too.
It's like one of the earliest
at least in my, my part of
like sex positivity, you know, like not
being so like, you know, like,
people are into things and that's okay.
You know?
no kind of kink should be shamed.
You know, Everything is acceptable.
You know, don't don't yuck somebody else's yam, right?
That whole thing.
And that's.s the whole point of sex positivity is
like you don't, you know, like what you mean must'
Yeah.
Well, yeah, but, I mean, yeah, you got to be careful because you don't
want to get killed by Nazis if you're too sex positive..
But yeah, I mean, that's not there
because aside, like
after effect of like being sex positive, that's
that's their problem, right?
They're the ones who like, are assholes and like, don't care.
They see Amy as this possession, which is not sex positivity.
It's like, they're,
you know, you see a woman as a possession.
Yeah.
I couldn't help but think.
I remember when I was doing Uber and then I
would hang around the area in
pumpm Springs is an area called Areas Road, and it's
there's a lot of like gay bars and everything.
But I would hang around there because they're using, you know, you
pull up over there and then get one one right after another after another.
And, you know, there's a lot of business.
And so there was one time this guy I
picked up and he's like, you know, I would always chat
them up because like, I figure, you know, the more that you chat them up,
you get a good little tip, you know, have a nice little conversation.
Just the tip.
And then, you know, I always start off like, well, how was your night?
And then he goes like, just right into it.
It's like, oh, it was great.
Yeah, so me and my husband, we have like an open relationship.
And, uh..
And then he goes into talking about like, yeah, he's back home, but I'm over here we just visiting and stuff.
And I was with some friends and we
hit it off with this one guy at the bar and
we exchanged numbers and everything.
And I went to the bathroom.
Like, that guy left, I went to the bathroom,
and then I made the mistake of leaving my phone on the table.
And then they they they text him from my
phone, but not only that, they they went through my pictures and they sent they sent
one of my dick pics.
Look, this is the one that they sent.
Look.
And then I said, I was like, whoa.
Okay.
And then, um What was that?
And then, oh, oh, this was the TikTok Live, which is currently paused.
But then, but he actually showed me this dick pic.
You know, he's like reaching around.
He's like,
He's reaching around to show you his dick.
Gotcha.
And then, he's like, I was like, oh, whoa.
He's like, I know, right?
But at least it's a good one, right?
And I was like, oh, oh, yeah, I guess.
And then he's like, you're are you gay?
You're gay, right?
And I was like, it'sght.
That's all.
Yeah, yeah.
And it kind of it made me think of like, you know, how he was testing the waters, just like how
Xavier and Jordan were, you know, Xavier,
you know, how he sees him first like, like
in many different parts where they're testing.
He's testing the waters and then Jordan, the very
naive, like he doesn'tize, but then he's sort of like
like testing the waters himself. too.
Like, oh, what's going on?
I'm seeing them go at it, but then let me unbuckle this.
I was playing with the yo-yo, but then you don't see the yo-yo going up and down.
You see the yo jyrating a little bit like this.
To be fair on your part, Arnold,
like that you didn't ask to be shown that,
so that wasn't that.'t right for him to be like, hey, look at my pick.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No one should ever do that.
I do think.
Because a lot of times I would find
that, especially if you pick people up like at starting like
at midnight, one o'clock in the morning.
And then if they're by themselves, they
go out and they're looking to possibly hook up with someone somebody.
But if they're by themselves, then they
didn't achieve their goal
And so I was sort of like their
last ditch effort.
They're like, I don't know.
Maybe he's, maybe he's cute.
Maybe maybe he's gay.
You' P Springs, right?
I can tell another story about that.
Maybe he's cute..
Maybe Arnold some other time.
Arnold, you are cute.
You could get picked up.
I agree.
I'm going to pick me back off of Arnoldnold's story because I did Uber.
Well, care how you say that.
Oh, I'm intending it.
You know, when I was doing Uber
and Lyft in Palm Springs, I actually picked up like
three gay guys from this place called the Barracks and whatnot.
And like they were just, I think they were stoned and drunk out of their minds.
But like the whole ride was cool..
They were like asking me questions and things like that.
I don't think they were like hitting on me or anything, but I dropped them off.
And luckily I didn't have any other rides for the night
but they left like this really gross burnt syringe in the backseat.
Yeah, it was crazy.
That's crazy.
And that's my experience.
That is crazy.
But I do have a lot of experience like picking people up from arenas as well.
Most of the time, they're just a bunch of guys
hanging out with guys having fun.
There's a bunch of bros hanging out with other bros, you know?
Who's that?
It's like it's like this is This is one of my early
Uber writers, very happy customers..
N, they just They love that.
And they're like, can we get a picture with you?
And they're like, I'm going to post up my Twitter
Early Twitter.
Wow.
For those of you watching and listening, I'm going to need a little bit more context.
In Palm Springs, the beautiful town of Palm Springs, California.
There's an area in downtown called Areas, and it's
known for having like Arnold Tiddle of it.
Gay bars and stuff there.
And the barracks is a gay bar that's not on arenas at all all.
It's actually in Catid that is known
for having showers, I believe, open air showers inside the bar.
Yes.
Yeah, but it's not there anymore, not that I know.
Yeah, I think it got shut down
I mean, they were shut down multiple times.
I think they officially got shut down recently, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.'s an interesting town, man.
Like, like, there's so many, there's, there's such a cast of characters in that town.
There's CCBC, the Cathedral City Boys Club.
CCBC.
Yo.
Yeah.
I'm starting to realize that.
Go to Quad.
The Pride event, though.
The Pride event is stellar.
I love their Pride event.
It's.
Yo, they go hard down there.
Pun intended.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Palm Springs is a very progressive
city thanks to mostly to the gay
men and women that live there because you go outside of Palm Springs and it's about as conservative as you can imagine.
You know, what I mean?
People think California is is like a liberal utopia.
I promise you that it's not.
California is a very red state.
You know, Pal Springs has a.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.?
That's all I had, really, just that it's a very red state.
The OC.
I read somewhere that Palm Springs had more gates per
square foot than like San Francisco, which is crazy when you think about that.
Yeah.
And quite fr frankly, they have a lot of people
that are of the LGBTQ community that are
also conservative, which is pretty insane.
Like a lot of the politics in Palm Springs is there's a
lot of conservative gay in Palm Springs, too.
A restaurateur friend of mine, I won't say
his name, but he told me that like a lot of a
lot of the gay men in Palm Springs, they might as well be conservatives.
They like He straight up said that he's gay himself
and like, you know, yeah, it's I
feel like if I was any other kind of person, I would think that we are doomed, gentlemen, doomed.
No, no, no.
We're like a generation
that's doomed.
Generation.
What happened?
hey, going back to the Doom generation, that was a great aside, by the way.
I'm going to clip that one for sure.
Yes, thank you, Arnold, for the, this
is a thing now, the gyrating hips, you know.
Christopher and the chat, while you're
doing that, Christopher in the chat asked, if you had to recast this movie today, who would you guys pick
And Christopher says, if he had to recast this movie today and listen
to this, guys, X, Barry Keegan, Jordan, Timothy Sham.
Sham, and Amy Zoe Kravitz.
That's a great casting, Chris.
Thank you for that.
I like that casting.
I would watch that review. remake, for sure.
Or just any movie with those three actors, except for maybe Timothy.
I can't say his last name.
Chamet.
Chamet.
Except for him.
I feel like
got to replace him with somebody else.
I'll think of a name later.
Keanu Reeves.
Barry Keegan is great.
I like Barry Keegan.
Did you guys see.
For me, X for
me would be that one guy from Strangeranger Things who he kind of like flips.
He's kind of like the bully mullet guy.
I forget his name.
I would choose him as X.
let's see.
For Amy, uh, maybe
it's just because the Zoe part comes up by Zoe Deschanel.
No, I got a one.
I just want to see Zoe looking like a man project.
And then for Jordan
uh it would be, um,
shoot, what's that?
You know what?
Fuck it, because we can.
Uh, Michael B. Jordan as Jordan.
Okay, dude, here's a mix.
One from the 90s, one from the 2000s, and one from the later, more earlier 2000s.
A Gen X millennial, a Gen Z walk into a bar.
What's the, I can't.
She's a local here who plays Wednesday.
Jenna Orta..
Jenna Ortega as Amy.
Oh, that's a good one.
Stiffler as X. Stiffler from America Fire.
Stiffler.
And Keanu Reeves as Jordan.
Oh, okay.
Oh, Wow.
Are you talking about a young Keanu?
A young Keanu?
Yeah, a young Keanu..
He means Kanu now, actually.
That would be more interesting.
Kanu now.
About like a Matthew Keanu, as one of the guys.
Matthew L Lillard.
There's a name I haven't heard in a while before.
Maybe I'm just thinking of that because of SLC punk.
I don't know, but I think it'd be a good.
I'd say replace Gener Orta with Mia Goth.
Mia Goth as angel.
Yeah.
Yeah, Mia Goth.
I a second.
If I had Googled her somewhat recently for some reason.
Oh, yeah, you just happened to, yeah, you were looking for her Wikipedia page.
You were doing some research for the show, right?
No, seriously, I can show you my research.
No, that's okay.
That's okay.
Oh, no, never mind.
I want to show you my.
I wonder if Mia Goth is related to the goths on the Sims.
I don't know.
Ger.
Never mind, you guys.
Christopher says that that was 1010 casting, by the way, Justin.
And he says the age gap casting loves it, Arnie.
Arnold, so there you go.
No.
Nice.
All right, guys.
Well, hey, you know, we went a little long, but I don't care because there was a lot to say about this movie.
I feel like we still didn't get to everything.
I feel like we could go on another hour.
Yeah.
But you know what?
And I only swiveled my hips twice.
Twice., yeah.
And that's two out of three times.
All right, guys.
Back to Doom Generation.
Let's wrap her up.
I feel like we've reached that point now where we want to give our final thoughts.
Donnie, I want to start with you.
What are your final thoughts?
Where can people find you?
Are you're working on anything cool?
Let us know.
Yeah.
You can find me on social media, mostly
Instagram, underscore Donnie Appleseed, all one word.
Working on some merch for my,
I have I have a little car thing that I do, Hatch and Wagon Alliance.
So I'm working on that.
You can also follow that on Instagram.
For those who like hatchbacks and station wagons, photography
until five photography on Instagram.
So my final thoughts for the film, I did not have any expectations going into this
I really liked it.
I thought it was I thought it was really unique.
It was very exaggerated, but but I like how raw it was,
and I think I think Greg, Iraki did a really good job of
just just the way it was done and especially taking into consideration the budget that you has, right?
Or that he had.
Yeah, it's not something.
I liked it, but I don't know if it's really one of those movies that I would say I recommend it.
Like, I feel like it's a very like niche, like audience.
It's not for everyone, is what I'm saying.
If it is your thing, I would definitely say give it give it a shot.
It's a great movie.
I give it 4.5 out of 5.
Nice.
Well, thank you, Donnie.
esome.
Arnold.
No, no.
Arnold, we're saving you for last.
Sorry.
Justin, let us know your final thoughts, where can people find you.
Yeah, so I didn't know what to expect
going into this movie, and I was pleasantantly surprised,
slightly shocked about what I saw on screen as well
I want to appreciate the lighting and the tone.
Everything that the movie had just seemed like an endless fever dream.
I love the reds and the greens, the deep, deep reds, deep, deep greens of the film.
You put the words out.
Yeah, it was you know, it's, it's
it's pretty.
It's pretty much like a
filmmaker's, like, like a college filmmaker's go-to-to
for the art of enlighting when it comes to filmmaking.
I think this movie does it really well
I think you can learn a lot just by watching
it seen from scene, you
know, really nitpicking about what's actually happening happening
on screen and learning those tips and tricks
because you don't need it a huge budget to make something so fantastical.
And this movie is fantastical in a very weird
grungy, punk rock sort of way.
And I really like the flair that this movie has to it.
Like, kind of what Donnie's saying, I
may not recommend it to somebody that's a little bit more on the sensitive
side, especially when it comes to like sexuality
But I think overall, this movie was entertaining,
very weird, and it's always, something
weird is always up my alley, you know, when, it comes to things like this.
So, I give it a three out of five on Letterbox.
You can follow me.
Ghost Nerd 88, which is my, um, you know, art profile.
But you can always follow the links on that and follow my
personal profile Shibbs zombie
um, pretty much everywhere.
So just follow the links in the bios and you'll be able to find me on all the things.
Awesome.
Thank you, Justin.
Great points to be made.
Ditto on the lighting, so many different color gels that
he use throughout this movie, which is why it reminded me of Groove.
They did the same thing in Groove, so many deep, dark reds and blues and greens and purples and all that good stuff.
So
Nice.
Alex, final thoughts,
my friend, and work can people find you?
So you can find me at Daily
Dares on all the socials and under the
Lig tree, you can find my
link to Collectible Galaxy, which I'm
selling vintage clothing, if you want to call it that.
And, yeah, so
um, oh, yeah, and then I'm working currently working right
now on the video for our,
Arnold and I went to SeaWorld's Hollow screen.
I'm going to finish it probably tonight or tomorrow.
It's going to be a little review video.
I think it's a lot of fun.
We had a great.
I'm excited.
I'm looking forward.
I'm looking forward to.
I actually, I think I might send it to you, Adrian to
like add a little like zu it up
Sure.
But I'm I' a Bad Bunny on there and call it a night.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
Just Please do.
The Doom Generation.
I chose this film.
I've always found Gregoraki
to be like a very interesting director.
He's one of my favorite directors from the 90s for sure
And when I think about films
in the 90s, he's definitely in that world,
you know, like I, when I think of films in the 90s, directors,
Tarantino, Kevin Smith, Spike Jones, um, Gregor
Rocky is one of them, you know, he's definitely in there.
And
his penchant for the
absurd is like what I love.
And in this sort of trilogy, this being the middle.
And then if you go watch nowhere, nowhere is
like taken his style ch choices to another,
even even to another level.'s And I I
was in my notes, I was saying, like, I want to create a
bar themed around like Gregor Rocky's like set
design, you know, it's it'll be kind of cool I want a room that has
like all like foil everywhere
and in another room with just like that red tone sort of thing.
And then the club the
club would be like definitely like Doommed Generation.
But also like, I think like some like the colors in some of the other
his other films, like greens and purples.
Really cool.
Some other notes, Nine Inch
Nails at the very beginning really sets the tone, especially today.
You know, when you think when you listen to 9 Shales,
they're a very like pivotal 90s band,
you know, but they're also a very influential band to a
lot of bands today, like bands like Hell, you know, other people
the Deftones.
But the Deftones came up around the same time as well.
But like, uh, yeah.
And then another thing that I thought was really funny
that Amy says, this place is so fucking boring.
Says the girl in a goth BDSM
club with Blade vibes.
You know It's like, dude, how can this place be boring?
I thought that was so hilarious.
That was like the first line that she says.
And I thought it was great.
And it also sits the tone of the comedy in the film
Yeah, Rose Room Gowan, back
in the day was my dream girl, you know?
Let's see.
But yeah, that's that's it for my notes that I can pull right now.
I love this movie.
I'm glad we re-watched it.
For me, it's a
four out of five five stars on Letterbox.
Nice.
All right.
Well, thank you for that, Alex.
Did you give your socials?
I don't I can't remember now.
At the very beginning, yeah.
Okay, good stuff.
Arnold, let's move to you, my friend, your final thoughts
and then, you know, what comes after that?
Arnold coming from
Gilroy, California.
No, just kidding.
Just kidding.
Air some meats.
All right, Arnold, what do you think?
Been a minute.
Well, first things y'all can,
everyone, I like how you guys all did that, where where you can find yourself, where you can be found.
You can find me at Ornie Clego everywhere
on Instagram.
Majority of the time TikTok.
um trying to pump out a little bit more there, but
um, I'm active on those two a lot, a little bit of Facebook, but, um,
yeah, yeah, you'll see my cooking, see my, see our,
uh, shenanigans at theme parks,
just me living my daily life. and
all the stuff that I'm currently working on.
And so a day and life with Arnie.
I try and post a little bit of that.
Happy National Pumpkin Spice Day, by the way, you know?
I don't know if any of you guys like that.
It's October now.
I'd like to get that..kin sp is garbage.
But I know, I
don't I prefer, you know, a good old
just like plain, like half and half with some my lion's mane, you know?
It's good for the brain.
And, um, but, but,
uh, but uh, you know, it's still warm over here.
It's still like 96 degrees over here today.
So it's not not really like, like, I'm trying to get the
the pumpkin makes me think of like, like cooler weather.
Anyways, anyways, okay, uh, okay, um, I'm my mom.
So, um, Doom generation.
Doom generation.
I
didn't know what to expect.
I didn't really have any expectations.
Just like usual, that's how I usually go into all the movies.
Um
And, you know, it was um final thoughts.
So, um.
I should have been, I
thought I was more prepared, but then I guess it's maybe the beer here.
Well, a whole lot of sex in that movie.
And we kind of said it already.
Like, just the the curiosity that they have and and
kind of.
I couldn't help but think of the Serbian film.
Now you might be here hearing like a sound in the background.
That's not Molly.
That's Bruce, this time drinking water.
Bruce, are you finished drinking water?
No, it's fine.
It's cool.
Okay.
Okay, yeah.
Wait, did Bruce respond?
No, he don't give a don't give a F.
Which, oh, isn't that the first movie called An Fed Up movie or something like that?
That's totally eed up.
Totally effed up.
Then Doom Trilogy, and then now here.
Oh, nowhere.
Nowhere.
Nowhere.
No, now here.
Yeah.
Very..
That's what I..
So I had Googled Fear and Lathing in Las Vegas,
because I was wondering, I was like, did Greg Orraki also
direct that one?
They're very different, but I just thought, because this
was such a sex-filled movie and and then
Fear and Loathing was such a drug-filled movie, I was like,
maybe because it's such a something filled movie, he did the same, but no, it wasn't.
But it kind of similar era.
1995, 1998.
It did kind of fit in
with the mindset of,
I think, how people thought of in the 90s
And kind
of pretty pretty wild movie, just like
really like a a car ride, a road trip going from one.
Yeah, like, I think Justin, or did you mention that it felt kind of like
what's that other movie, the Scott Pilgrim?
Natural Born Killers?
Oh..
Oh, I did read somewhere that this is like like a hornier version of Natural Born Killers.
I'torn Scott Pilgrim, I'll say.
Only for the fact that it just seems like.. all the
ex-boyfriend style type of thing, you know, coming out back to go kill them or something like that.
But that's that's the only relation I got got from it.
Like one stage to the next, you have some sex and the
to kind of start it off.
And then it progresses even more.
And what?
Instead of fighting, they had sex.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there was a little bit of both, a little bit of squirting in there.
It was blood blood squirting.
But it's kind of...
I know because..
Because it was kind of gruesome.
I mean, that was kind of wild, like how he with the
shotgun caught off shotgun, I don't know if that was shot off, but like he
shoots the guy's head off and it that kind of there really did
set the tone of like, oh, you know, the kind of comedy that that it was going to be
And, uh, those effects, like you
see more of that squirting like later. uh, Yeah.
Bloodting, you say.
Blood squirting.
Yeah..
Yeah.
Blood squirting.
It was It was entertaining.
It was a watch.
It was a watch.
Would I watch it again?
Maybe if I owned.
What themed club or, were you saying?
Just get canopy.
Just get the candyy.
I watch it on
Oh, like a foil.
Like, you know, Alex, I think you mentioned like, oh, if he had a bar that was like covered
in in foil, like that kind of the.
The theme bar after Gregoraki's.
Yeah, a Gregoraki theme bar.
You had that playing in the background
No, no volume, but then maybe, you know, like
some turns up music, you know, uh, some little John
or some, some, uh, you know, juvenile.
Some John Cena.
Some Val Venus.
Uh, Can't see him.
Can't see him.
Can't see him.
But, I mean, the ending was
kind of bizarre at which when we
go into the Z rating, I'll mention when I did fall asleep.
and I had that
part I rewatched again, and I was like, because I had to, I guess I kind of told you where I fellleep.
But then, but it was, yeah, I don't know.
It was really awkward.
It was really weird.
I don't know.
Yeah, it kind of left me feeling weird.
Like, overall, I'd give it a two and a half out of five letterbox score.
Yeah. lately it's been a three and a half.
Wow.
But this was, uh, I mean, I mean, you would think with
all the sex in there and everything that I would give it like a 4.20 or something.
4.20, yeah.
But I'm I'm not that kind of guy, you know?
I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm not, okay?
I am.
Arnold, you go to your precing and you say, thisis hen is bothering me.
I don't know why.
It's because I have carpal tunnel.
I've worked at administrative work like Manana.
Yeah, you're typing all things right.s that.
Yeah.
You know, Sending emails to give me a billion dollars, please.
You know, that type of stuff.
Please, please, pretty, please.
You always got to say, please.
That's why Arnold has..
Arnold starts to use vice grips now.
Yeah..
Wait, how do you..
No, I don't.
What?
Who said that?
No.nold a really good beer, by the way, guys.
It was.
I like the beer.
Yeah. beer.
Really good beer.
Shout out to the.
No free publicity, though, so, you know, until they start paying us. doing that.
That's
That's like, I'm a beginner hipster beer.
Hey, now, I drink that all the time and I've been drinking IPAs for years.
But anyway, Arnold, go ahead.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, so that's my out of five Letterbox rating.
Told y'all where you can find me.
Lately, I've've been been working on
fixing my knees.
I had a little torn meniscus, you know, anything.
Still went to Comic- Conon and got 26,000 steps, you know?
But uh, and you know, Disneyland stuff after that, too.
But, yeah, I've been trying to rehab that.
So I don't know.
I guess I can tell you about my, my Z rating.
Well, yeah, hold on, hold on.
Yeah.
Adrian, would you you play that music
Play that music for me, BOTZ too big.
All right, here we go.
Z rating.
Drum roll, please.
This is all going to be edited in.
Give us your famous Z rating, Arnold.
So, like, similar to like
the last time I thought I woke up to my wife telling me like, you fell asleep again, huh
Which part did it this time?
It was, um,
I guess the part where they ran into the Nazi guys in
the music store..fortunately.
I didn't I didn't remember that part.
I don't think you fell asleep to a movie that was less than 90 minutes long, by the way.
Yeah
Go on, though.
I fell asleep by that part and it felt like I fell asleep
for half an hour, but then, you know, when I went back and re-watched
it, I was like, man, I fell asleep for like two or three minutes.
But then, but then there was there was, you know, kind of like
crucial because I at the end when you see these guys,
I'm like, who the heck are these guys with the tubees suck on their thing?
And uh, and you know, with the.
That's that's, that's There's no, I don't see any any like trees or bushes around.
Why they got that around?
No?
Are they chalk and choppy the pee pee.
Oh, but, but, uh, so, Zee, uh
I did I do have to say, I had my favorite ice
cream, chocolate malted crunch, and
I fell asleep for a little bit.
Well, but what's your Zread?
So...
self-inflicted.
Sorry, I didn't I'm running out of lion's name.
You're good.
You're good.
You're good.
I give it a half Z rating.
Not bad.
Because leadinging up to all that, I was like,
my wife was like, there's all the sex in there.
No wonder you're awake.
But then next thing you know, I'm asleep.
You're like, I'm up.
She's like, which one of you?
Never mind.
Which?
Wow.
Okay.
So that's me.
Thank you.
And we got everybody.
But last but not least, BWOT Z2B. Yes, sir.
What's your final thoughts?
Well, I'm just going to read my letterbox review for verbatim.
Doom Generation.
Oh, thank you, by the way, for that.
Arnoald, thank you for your lovely Z and regular reading.
Doom Generation slams like a more deranged mashup
of natural born killers and itam.
Gregor cranks up the chaos, diving
headf into hyperviolence, sex
and 90s paranoia about Satanists corrupting youth.
Amy steals a film.
She loves with a reckless tender, but can't look away from Xav,
who burst into their lives like a n Theiratileangle
throbs with sexual attention, Arnold, not just between Amy and
Xavier, but also between Jordan and Xavier.
Their stolen glances, fleeting touches, and unspoken
longing hint at something deeper, but the film never lets it erupt.
They' unresolved spark adds another layer of tragedy and frustration.
Jordan remains the calm center of willing to follow Amy
to the ends of the earth, pondering life while violence swirls around him.
Xavier meanwhile, revels
in destruction, drifting from scene to scene with nothing to lose.
I wanted more, though.
I wanted more answers about the strangers who mysteriously knowim.,
more context for the Nazi punks at the end, more police chasing this bloody trail.
But that's part of Iraqi's game.
The film raises questions and refuses to resolve.
What it does deliver is a feverver dream road
movie that never takes its foot off the gas
And for that, I give it on Letterbox four stars out of five.
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I want to thank our live chat tonight, especially Chris.
Chris was saying some really good
questions and making some really great seents on the live chat.
So thank you for that, Chris.
And I hear from a little bird that tells me you're
a fan of the show, so we appreciate that.
We appreciate you.
And everybody else who joined tonight, as well as Professor Pixel, who's always
you know, bringing it as well.
So thank you for that, guys, and thanks to the, anyone else who was us
live and who's still a lot, there's three people still.
So I think we're missing HLP healing laughter power.
Healing laughter power, who interacts with he wasn't here tonight, but healing laughter Power
yeah, loves us on on Instagram.
He was on last week on our recording.
Always a shout out to HLP.
HLP.
Yeah.
Yeah, HLP.
And shout out to everybody on TikTok.
Man, our audience, thinking of us, it looks like we have over 2,800 likes.
Wow.
How did that happen?
That wasn't game at all.
No, no.
That was all the viewers.
Thank you, guys.
Thank you.
They just love us so much, all one of them.
Which is Arnold, actually, because he's moderating the channel night.
Anyways,.
It's no wonder you have carpal tunnel syndrome, Arnold.
Yeah.
Yeah, you just
Not me.
Anyway.
All right, guys.
My hands are not touching that.
They're on my head, and they are up here swiveling
to the hip..
Like Chris said, this is the, what do you say,
the gyration generation.ation generation.
Chris needs to be on the show because he's going to bring all the laughs, I bet.
You have some competitionition, Arnold, I think.
Anyways, guys, any final thoughts on Doom generation?
Anybody?
I am I think lop his dick off
like a chicken head.
I was going to say that set, that checkered set, they handpainted that shit.
That's fucking sick.
What?
Wow.
Yeah.
I remember there.
Because of the budget, the whole budget thing.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Wow.
But anyways, Love the set.
Love the lighting.
Everything was amazing