We break down the biggest moments from our Oscars post-show discussion, diving into the winners, snubs, and surprises from this year’s Academy Awards. From Best Picture debates and acting wins to controversial snubs and industry trends, we revisit what the Academy got right—and where it may have missed the mark—while sharing our unfiltered takes on the films everyone’s talking about.
In this special episode, we revisit the Academy Awards with a full Oscars recap and analysis, breaking down the biggest wins, shocking snubs, and ongoing debates shaping the film industry. We take a deep dive into the Best Picture race, comparing One Battle After Another and Sinners, and discuss why one film ultimately took home the top prize while the other may have captured audiences’ hearts.
We explore standout performances in the Best Actor and Actress categories, including the buzz around Michael B. Jordan’s win and Jesse Buckley’s powerful performance. Along the way, we highlight notable snubs—like Jesse Plemons—and reflect on how the Academy continues to reward both emerging talent and long-overdue industry veterans.
Our conversation also examines key technical categories like cinematography, editing, production design, and costume design, unpacking what separates a good film from an Oscar-winning one. As editors and filmmakers, we offer insight into how elements like pacing, visual storytelling, and seamless cuts influence award decisions.
We also tackle bigger-picture conversations surrounding the Oscars, including:
The Academy’s evolving approach to diversity and representation
The tension between artistic merit vs. industry politics
Whether the Oscars reward “lightning in a bottle” moments or long-term careers
The growing divide between audience favorites and Academy picks
From passionate defenses of films like Sinners to critiques of surprise winners, we give our honest, unfiltered reactions to one of Hollywood’s biggest nights.
Whether you’re a casual movie fan or a hardcore cinephile, this episode is your go-to breakdown of the 2026 Oscars, packed with insight, humor, and hot takes.
Welcome to a special episode of the Never Seen It Podcast.
The only podcast called Never Seen It That's worth listening to with
us tonight, Mr. Daily Dares, aka.
Filipino Grigio, aka.
Alex Kaleo, Mr. Donnie.
Applesed, aka.
Donnie Guzman, the Cousins Kaleo Guzman.
And then a return special guest
He's a purveyor of all things, Castle Rock, Film Festival, and all, Filhound.
He's a Bell Lagosi impersonator impersonator, I say.
And a great player at Catan and Rk.
He's a college student.
He's a hospital worker.
He does it all.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.
Hunter Francis Burns to the show.
Hunter.
W.
Thank you, thank you.
The F actually stands for
refrigerator.
Oh, does it?
Are you just constantly stuffing your mouth?
Is that why?
Well, I need the energy to To do everything you
just said, I do, it's'm reminded now how much I need to eat.
Exactly.
Well, I hope you're keeping up with your carbon intake.
But tonight tonight we're discussing a.
This is a special post Oscarars.
It's a re-examination of the winners and an autopsy
of the losers and snubs, which I want to get into because I feel like Jesse
Plemons was highly, highly snubbed in this year's Oscars.
But Hunter, let's just go down the list.
I have it pulled up in front of me.
Actor in a leading role.
Who did you predict, by the way?
I don't remember exactly.
So you'll have to walk me through it.
Well, I'm very thankful as I'm sure you'll know from the previous show I picked
Michael B. Jordan to be the winner.
And then that Timothy Chalamet would discuss
the American public as he does because he has the temperament and dememeanor of a wet lemur.
And once again, this has been proven true.
So I'm very thankful that America made the right choice
and denied him the ability to have an Oscar.
While I still have the drive is him, you know,
with the fact that he just annoys me, brought me great joy to see him lose.
To his credit, though, like, he's not stopping.
Like, he's got Dune 3 coming out this year, later this year.
And who knows what else is in the pipeline firm, right?
Yeah, I actually like Dune, so I think he did well there.
Yeah.
What did Alex and Donnie, what did you guys think?
Was it a surprise Michael B won?
Were you guys thrilled?
I'll say you, Alex.
I'll start with you.
I wasn't surprised, although I did, like, I think I chose Ethan Hawke.
that's right right.
I chose Ethan Hawke.
Simply because, you know, like my
whole sort of like conspiracy theory, which was proven incorrect.
But at the same time,, I
was like thrilled at the fact that Michael B. Jordan, I was thrilled to be proven wrong.
I think he did a fantastic job
I think, again, like people
like to point out, like the fact that he had to play two different characters,
and let's be honest, like, that while that is difficult
to do, especially with like, you know, having like,
do two, you know, I don't know, filmmming.
I don't know how it works, to be honest
but like..
Basically, yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it goes beyond that.
Like Donald pointed out early on that that he actually had to like
do different facial features, like whereas like dimples
and one didn't and the different walks and things like that.
So it did delve more into like his skill set, you know, what he's able to
achieve with his talents.
And I think that, you know, while Ethan Hawke is
a very talented actor and his very deserving
of an Oscar somewhere down the road, I think this
year he did get a lot of different
lifetime achieving awards and things like that at different festivals, different award shows
But I just don't think.
Now now that I think of it, it just wasn't his ear.
Yeah.
Plus, Michael B. is just so goddamn charming and you got twice the charm in one movie.
Well, I mean, you can't deny that.
Well, did.
Ethan Hug did say that really awesome thing
that's kind of making it rounds on social media.
It like, what's your advice about like unrequited love?
You know, it's like the person who loves
is, always wins, you know?
And I think that's such a beautiful thing.
Even he, although he didn't win the Oscar,
he won the hearts of a lot of people when it comes to the advice for unrequited love.
Ethan Hawke's great.
I like Ethan Hawk.
I feel like he's semi-underrated.
I feel like I feel like we're also kind of going through a semi-E Hawk Renaissance, maybe, sort of.
We'll see.
We'll see.
I should watch that movie he was in.
I haven't watched it, to be fair, but it sounds like a good movie.
Donnie, what was your thoughts on Michael B. Winning?
Who are you running for a brother?
I think it was Michael B, right?
Okay.
Yeah, it was Michael B. I mean, I think they made the right choice, short and simple.
I mean, we talked a lot about it more in depth, like during the first episode
of I'm talking about the Oscars, Oscarn.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it was the right choice that he deserved it.
He did a really amazing job.
Yeah.
Okay, so best, Best Su supporting actor, Sean Penn won.
He didn't even fucking bother to show up.
I was rooting for
my boy, what's his name?
Delroy Lindo.
What's his name?
I say that.
Delroy Lindo, I was really rooting for him and Benicio, buted up being Sean Penn.
Hunter, what's your take on Sean Penn?
First of all, why wasn't he there?
Do we know why he wasn't there?
Does he not give a fuck?
What was it?
Well, and there's always the question if Sean Penn gives a fuck generally.
However, he was actually in Ukraine.
I'm sure this was some kind of stunt
He's being lauded for showing up to Ukraine for support of
like Volemir Solenski and the Ukrainians during
this very pivotal time where not a lot of attention is
being brought to the war in Ukraine, even though it's it's entering
possibly its final phase, God willing.
And I'm hoping for a peaceful resolution with the
Ukrainian borders to be restored, just full stop, period, full stop, no less.
And Sean Penn would more or less believe the same, and he
was there in Ukraine during the time of the Oscars, though notably
during the rest of the awards campaign, he was elsewhere.
So take of that what you will.
He's been in the business for so long ago.
I feel like at this point, he's just kind of over it, too.
Like, he's actually just doing what he cares about, which is not necessarily winning an award, right?
Even if it's the most prestigious one in the industry.
I don't know.
I would suggest if the awards,
maybe the cocktail menu is better at the BAFTAs which he showed up to.
I' I'm never a fan of any political
advertising during the Oscars.
I find it moot.
I find it also a little precocious, perhaps might be the right word.
Didn't he meet with that drug cartel in Mexico?
What was his name?
That was him, right?
Sean Penn?
Well, there's the famous cards Again Humanity card one where it's like, what did
Sean Penn bring to Haiti after the earthquake?
And what's the best response?
toilet paper.
No, the best response is always putting the Sean Penn card down.
Oh, gotcha.
Yeah, Who were you rooting for?
It wasn't Sean Penn.
Oh, certainly not.
I hated him.
I couldn't stand his like little walking,
I am not gay, if that's what you were implying.
He's just very, he's very like harassingly menacing.
And I suppose that was right for the role for like this horrible,
like neoon that like ends the way he does.
But I would have I would have suggested Delroy Lindo would have been perfect.
He's been an actor that is undersspoken about
at any given moment during his career, even though some of the roles he's
taken on are just just in pivotal moments of
like a lot of black cinema and just hit cinema history.
Stellan Skarsård also would have been a lovely choice because of what he did during
sentimental value, considering that he had had
a stroke and no longer can learn lines.
Oh, what?
Yeah, that's true.
He had a terrible stroke.
Can't learn lines anymore.
Everything that he's saying on screen is being read to him in his ear and he has to interpret it live.
So that's one way to act.
I would say that's, that's a tough, that's a tough beat
But, you know, it's the value-wise,
I would say to one battle after another, Sean Penn's the worst part.
Anicio would have been a great choice.
I mean, yeah, just a few small beers, you know what I mean?
That would have been a nice, nice win for him.
I didn't know that about about Stellan Skarsgl.
He's a great actor.
I've only seen him in a handful of things
I loved him in Andor.
I don't know if you guys have seen Andor, but he's amazing in that fucking show.
So, yeah, I could have seen that.
I could have seen
Benicio as well.
Donnie, what did you, who were you you rooting for, Donnie for Best Supporting actor?
Who was your go-to?
My go-to was Delroy or
second would be Jacob Ali, but I wanted a Del Rey went too.
I feel like this over do for one.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
But yeah.
Yeah.
Alex, who were you rooting for for Best Supporting?
I wasn't really monitoring it, but if I was to say any
I think Del Roy Lindo or Benicio del Toro.
Yeah.
Although, like, I it's
just more of a sentimental choice than anything because I've always loved like Benicicia del Toro.
Yeah.
He's one of my favorite all, alltime favorite character actors
I've been, I've loved him ever since the usual suspects.
He's such a such a great character
in that film, so Traffic Yeah.
It was great.
Yeah.
Yeah, traffic was great.
Oh.
Loved him in that movie.
And he's he's gotten really great range.
And for this film, I thought I didn't know what to expect
when I first watched this, but then, you know, to
get like the whole kind of Zen master
character in the midst of this like sort of,
you know, like, let's be real, like
a war.
Right.
Basically.
Yeah.
I could see that.
Yeah, he was great.
All the nominees were great this year, but yeah, it is interesting that
that John Pinn got it and he wasn't even there, but it is what it is.
Best actress.
I watched Ham at the night Bef before the Oscars.
Yeah, Jesse Buckley carried that fucking movie.
And Hunter, I think you were predicting her, right?
I'm Oh, she was the only choice.
She was the only choice.
And, frankly, it would have been a crime to not give it to her.
That's That's all I could say.
I mean, I saw, I don't know if you guys watched if I had Legs I Kick You.
That was a great movie.
I don't know that it was necessarily better than Jesse Buckley, but Rose Byrne killed it in that fucking movie.
That's it a movie that will give you anxiety.
People were calling the uncut gems for women.
But regardless of that, if
you guys haven't seen if I had Legs, I would highly recommend it.
I don't know about Kate Hudson.
I didn't see her song, Song, Blue.
I didn't see sentimental Value.
But Emma Stone, I did see Bugonia, but you know, she
already has, what, two Oscars, I think now, so I think she's kind of good at this point, but
yeah, what were we going to say?
Yeah, she has two Oscars, one for La La Land and
the other for poor thingsings.
She has a great like tone and range.
The sentimental value girl, that was an never in the conversation.
Songs on Blue was like, like the Andrea Riceborough choice this year.
It came out of nowhere.
It didn't seem to belong.
Like all the press said that there is not an event that says the
word Oscar on it, that Kate Hudson won't attend.
So there's, you know, there's something that that's to say there.
If you want, if we could have something Oscars ready here and she would show up.
Yeah.
I mean, you got to give R $250,000 gift bag,
which all the nominees for acting get.
So I think she was just in it for that.
You know what I mean?
I'm pretty sure she can swing $250 without that.
I haven't seen her in much in the last 15 years, so I don't know.
I don't know.
No, but but Jesse Buckley, yeah, she
was just so good and Hamnett, like the
pain, the emotion that she showcases in that film is next level.
So good for her, honestly.
and I've seen her in men.
I've seen her in, uh, I'm thinking about ending things.
She was very promising even back then.
Like when I saw that movie six years ago, whatever that was.
Did you guys see that?
Did you guys see either of those men or if I I'm thinking of ending things?
Did anyone see that besides me?
I've seen, I'm thinking of ending things.
That was good, I enjoyed that.
I need to watch it again.
It was one of those like really kind of heavy
ones that I, that bear rewatching.
Yeah.
At least for me.
And And Alex, you, you, you, I think you said Jesse Bley could probably win, right?
I think you pretty much said that.
Yeah.
I had, I still haven't seen having it.
Um, this weekend, I'm trying to catch up.
It's on, on, uh, all the Oscar knobs.
I have some tissue paper ready, is all I'll say.
It's a good movie.
Don't worry.
I always have it.
I' I'm a crybaby.
You know that.
Donnie, what did you say for Best Actress?
I don't..
I forget.
I think I wanted Emma Stone to win, but I knew she wasn't because she went for
Poor Things, which she was way better than that than this one.
I didn't watch Habet yet either, so that's also on my list.
So
yeah, I'm hoping to do that this weekend.
But isn't she like the first, what was it, the first Irish woman that win this one door?
Indeed she is.
She is indeed the first Irish woman.
We've had just about, and this is not to say that it's of any note.
We have just about every kind of white woman win.
So don't don't feel too bad.
You know, Remember, we only got somebody who was not black
who was black to win in 2002.
Ali Berry.
Yeah, Halle Berry.
So while Irish culture is important, let's let's not put too much bearing on that.
We ignore everyone else, which I think you were still in diapers when she won back then, right?
Well, I I'm 2, so I
was probably five years old when when that happened.
Yeah.
And how are we done again?
No.
That's the problem.
Well, hey, those next one's a good one for you.
Amy Migan, best supporting actress for Wapons.
I mean, has there ever been a win for a role in a horror movie at the Oscars?
I don't know.
There has been only eight Oscars given to folks
who have done horror movies all together, all together.
So two of them, uh, Jody Foster and Hannibal Lecter right there.
So there's two, eight all together.
So she would be the eighth after a, what, 30-y drought.
So that's a, that's a big conversation to have there, why that keeps happening.
And there's another conversation about hag's exploitation that obviously wants an old woman
uh, is no longer sexually attractive.
She becomes horrifying to the male gaze, and therefore she's
a hag, therefore capable of evil, uh perhaps trying
to reobtain youth that's an old trope through weap that re-exploits.
However, it's a great movie.
It's fantastic.
And what's even better, Amy Madigan's acting.
Of course she deserved it.
I would have loved to see Won from Siners Take It,
Of course, that would have been just as swell.
Just as valuable because it would have been a horror movie as well.
And she would have been probably the first African
origin actress to obtain the Oscar.
So that's just as just as valuable.
The other nominees, you know, you look at them and it's just like a
stat Taylor nominate.
Yeah, it's Na Taylor.
I don't think she really is the heart or soul of that movie.
She's like the chaotic first part, and then she disappears for a part of it.
So why would you award someone that's only in the first act when
you must carry a whole film to see their journey?
That's an interesting point.
But, you know, like Anthony and Hopkins has, what, eight minutes
of screen time and silence of the Lambs?
And I think he has 17.
77. you what I'm saying saying, though.
And to be fair, he was throughout in there throughout the film,
not as like a lot, like not very big scenes,
but they were all pivotal everything the time he saw his face
Yeah.
So, Donnie, what did you think about Amy Madigan?
I know we discussed weapons on this show.
I don't remember if you were on that episode, right?
I think?
No, I wasn't on that episode, but she was Amy Madkin was my choice for this category.
I haven't seen one battle after another, to be
fair, but if it wasn't it wasn't her, I was going to choose one Me F Siners. watch that.
My choice was definitely AB. Gotcha.
Okay, so let's skip the ahead a
little bit because Hunter, the big thing for you was like production design.
Yeah.
Actually, no, let's go to director.
Well, no, let's come back to the director.
I want to talk about production design
The winner of this year, what was it?
I' Frankenstein.
Frankenstein.
Frankenstein.
What was your.
I think you said, I think you had said Hamet, right?
Hunter for a.
I thought I was on Hamnet.
That was probably been more of an originalist choice.
That's why I lost my Oscars poll this year.
I lost it to two friends.
I came in third place.
So next year, don't invite me, invite them.
Obviously, I' no nothing and I shouldn't be even speaking
But.
Well, you're on this show.
Yeah.
But, in this case, I would have I would have picked Hamlet.
I thought that production design in Frankenstein was kind of like garish looking.
It didn't have too much. costume design is where it really shined,
and I thought they deserved that one right away.
So that's great.
I' I'll give it.
It's fine.
It's fine.
Better than to give it to, you know, Marty Supreme
and let them have a consolation Oscar.
Marty Supreme got zero.
Zilch.
Say it again.
Say it again for the people of the Raptors.
Zilch for Marty Supreme.
They got nothing.
You get nothing.
Good day, sir.
No.
More my heart more, please.
I feel like they could have gotten something
but they need to get one.
Like, that is kind of crazy.
And I don't know if that was a result of the controversy with
the Safty guy or just Timothy.othy's fucking
weird campaigning or what.
But
the fact that they got nothing, I don't know, that just tells you a lot, I guess.
I don't know.
Well, I'll tell you that the rejection of the Oscars'
political scene is very healthy to me.
I find that's a good sign for the Oscars.
I think, you know, there's not
one that I would have picked out that they deserved over anyone else's.
F1 is an Oscar-winning movie because it has the best sound design.
You know, that's an Oscar-winning movie to me.
Even if it's for dads.
Marty Supreme, there's not a single moment in there.
I would I would suggest that that deserves something over anyone else.
Yeah, I get that.
Alex, what did you think about that?
Were you surprised at all that Frankenstein won?
Or did you think?
No, I mean, I did I think I did choose Hamet
but I wasn't mad at the choice for Frankenstein.
Actually, I was kind of more relieved than anything because it seems like
I enjoyed the production design more on.
Well, I haven't seen Hamnet again.
But from what I could tell, you know,
I think that it's deserved.
I mean, the scale of Hamnet is not that big.
Like, honestly, like, it's got very minimal locations.
The Globe Theater doesn't come in until the very last 30 minutes of the movie.
Frankstein's pretty
epic.
It's like the the set design, the sets in general are very epic.
The ship, which..
The ship that Donnie you talked about, right?
They built the whole fucking ship.
They could have just beingreened most of it.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Or for authenticity, he wanted to get an actual ship.
I think Anthony and I both
chose this one.
I thought, I mean, I haven't watched Hamlet either, but I was watching
some predictions and it seemed like Hamlet was going to be like the favorite.
I thought they were I thought they were going to win this, but I'm glad to see that Alf Einstein would.
Yeah.
Siners Am Arnie Supreme and won battle, and
yeah, those were the other nominees.
I thought maybe Siners could have gotten it for its production design
And maybe even Marty's Supreme.
And in all fairness to that movie, I enjoyed the production design.
It was a very good movie and I think they did a good job of
just, yeah, just the entire design in general.
I agree, though, with Hunter, though.
He says, like, he said in the last, when he was last on,
that period pieces tend to be a little bit more difficult to pull off than
you know, like, especially period pieces from like Ham, Frankenstein era.
Yeah.
Let's move on to cinematography, Hunter.
You called it.
You said that this would have been the first African American woman to win best
DP for an Oscar.
I mean, yeah, you were right.
Autumn, African and Filipino and Filipino.
Oh, she's Phil I didn't know that either.
That's interesting.
That's doesn't mean we should stop either.
Let's not pat ourselves too much on the back.
This is just the first time we've recognized anyone
for superiority in cinematography.
The things they had to do we've cameras in order to capture
sinners, especially with smoke and stack, is
is impeccable.
Impeccable work has to be brought in day by day by day in the Alabama heap.
While I was kind of disappointed, Train Dreams couldn't come in
for it, which I would have given Train Dream cinematography.
It was, to me, it was just like a beautiful film that enjoyed absorbing every second of.
I appreciated the fact that they gave it to her.
And in the future, I hope that she's a multiple
Oscar winning cinematographer, because everything she does is fabulous.
I mean, it's not just Black Pantanther.
It's not just Creed.
She She shot all three Creed movies.
She did fabulous work on all of them.
I didn't know that she's worked with Ryan Koogler more than once.
That is interesting.
It' about every time.
Just about every time.
It's nice to see when a director finds the right DP for their film.
You know, Felberg has worked with Januskinski for
almost everything he's done since like their late 90s, I think, or something something like that.
And I think Ryan Koogler and and Miss
Archipau will continue to do great work.
But yeah, I mean, they were up against Frankenstein.
They were up against Marty Supreme, won battle and Train Dreams.
But like you said, yeah, Train Dreams was beautifully shot, but it was great to see
to see her win.
Donnie, were you, did you bet on centers as well, for cinematography?
I think you did, right.?
Yeah.
I think this was like, for me, I was like, they're definitely going to win cinematography.
At least that's what I thought, if anything.
But yeah, I'm glad to see that they would this one.
I went, I went a little deep, but, you know, I did I watched a
lot of like behind the scenes videos about like, you know, the way the sinners were shot and I was really impressed.
So I was really rooting for them with this one.
Yeah.
Alex, I think you also had
were rooting for sinners, right?
So.
Oh, actually, I said dream to train dreams.
Oh, you said train names.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, I thought if anything.
I like sinners would definitely get rewards.
I think Frankenstein and, you know, one battle
after another would all get awards.
I think train dreams would just at least get one.
And I thought this would probably be it.
A bad night for Netflix, generally, I'd say, because Frankensteinstein
was their only carrier, anything else, other than K-pop demon hunters,
you know, and then what happened with them with the speech, that was a bad moment.
And I think it was just bad form.
Yeah, a lot of people were saying they got cut
off, but they made time for this for all these other bits that went on for way too long.
Like, I like seeing the cast from Bridesmaids show up and do a little
riff with the audience.
But that did go on for what I thought was a little too long.
I thought I thought it should have been funny.
Why were they all there?
I understand Paul Thomas Anderson is married to my Rudolph.
I would have preferred if her bit was funny, but here we are.
That's a strange coupling, isn't it?
I did not know that they were together.
No, it makes sense.
Did't on Apple, by the way, did you guys know this?
Listen, Weird man find weird women.
What do you want?
PTA dated Fiona Apple in the 90s.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember.
And she famously said, I hung out one
time with PTA and Quentin Tarantino.
And my God.
Those two guys would not shut the fuck up?
I have a little story about Fiona Apple.
She came into my store when I worked for Trader Joe's,
and then one of my old bandmates, Anna, used to to be like
kind of friends with her in high school.
Oh, really?
Yeah, old friend and bandmate, uh, Anna Renal, she was a.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
What a small world.
But yeah, what were we talking about?
They did cut off.
Yeah, they cut them off.
That did feel rude.
But to be fair, to be fair, okay, they're
told ahead of time how much time they have if they win, right?
Like that gives them a chance to prepare their speech.
The one girl was talking for like a hot minute
and then the guy comes in and then, boom.
Like, I don't know, did they not plan that out better?
Could that have planned out better?
I don't know how that works.
There's got to be a producer.
Adrian Brody gets to interrupt the broadcast and say, this is my first rodeo.
Excuse me.
Excuse me.
What's with Adrian Brody?
Does he like it have a special pass that he gets to do?
He's just older Timothy Chalamet.
This is, why I'm trying, why
I'm so mean to Timmy is because I don't want him to turn into Adrian Brody.
Do you really want to live in a world where there are two Adrian
Brodies, a 60-year old Adrian Brody, and then a couple years
from now, like a 35 year old like Timmy F Chalamet that's just a carbon copy?
No, you don't want to live in that world, neither do I. So we should be mean to him.
So he learns to be conscious of his actions.
Yeah, that's a good.
I want to, I'm going to steal that from you.
Timothy Chalamet is the new Adrian Brody.
So one day he's going to interrupt like a speech and
go on and on, and then he's also going to make out with Tiana Taylor,
even though completely unpompted is what you're saying.
Let's go, I hope not.
The woman's poor woman's been through enough.
Let's move on.
Okay.
Costume design went to Frankenstein.
I can't remember who you said, Hunter.
Was it Was it Hammet or was it something else?
Frankenstein.
And it should have been.
Yeah.
Okay.
And again, it's just a one thing that was notable
about last time we spoke is that you didn't realize Mia Goff
was both the mom and the girlfriend.
Right.
And it makes sense once you see the costuming
and how well it perfected it.
Makeup and hairstyling also
of course.
So Frankenstein, for those reasons, was an Oscar winning film.
Obviously it deserved it.
While it's Garmo del Toro's weakest work, there's still things that shine in that production.
I like Mia and G. I like the one costume she
had on where it looks like she's like a bighorn sheep.
Do you remember where she's got the things going like this?
I thought that was great.
Like, I don't know why that that I really fucked with that color costume.
And that was just like, like, perfect.
Donnie, who were you?
I think you said Frankenstein for costume design as well, right?
Yeah, I thought they were.
I definitely thought they were good with them for costume design and for a hair makeup.
Yeah,
Hamlet was the probably the runner-up because
I don't know.
I guess Avatar or Fire Nash, but that's all digital.
Like that they didn't have to make physical.oh, who cares about that that?
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Like, no offense.
I love James Cameron, but like,
the movies are just CGI layered
on top of the fucking motion capture suits.
That's all it is.
Alex Alex, did you say sinners or am I mistaken for costume design?
Who?
Oh, I think it's a Frankenstein.
Frankenstein.
Okay.
Which we talked about on the show, and we all enjoy it.
So Yeah.
Uh, no surprise there.
Let's move on to
director because I, I was I
was really rooting for my boy, Ryan Koogler.
I call him my boy because I know him.
But in it ended up being Paul Thomas Anderson, which was not a bad thing.
Hunter, who did you say for directing?
I can't remember.
It should have been Chloe Zo or Ryan Coogler.
It should have been.
There's plenty of them.
Why give PTA three Oscars in one night?
Adapted screenplay.
I'm sorry.
I'm reading Thomas Pinchchion's Vineland right now,
which one Battle after number is based off of.
I can't make rhymer reasons as to how he adapted that into this.
It's almost an original work
because the real story for one battle doesn't start
until about where I'm at about 30, 30% in.
That's the one battle after another story, essentially.
It's a little top heavy.
It's a bit top heavy.
And then moving, you know, it's, they could have given that to Train Dreams
Best Director could have been Ryan Cuggler so simply.
It would have been the very first time.
It would have been a black director ever..
Ever.
I would have loved to have seen him with. hitting?
Really?
We can't, we can't just go there.
It has to be PTA for director, adapted screenplay and Best Picture.
Imagine, you know, the night ends,
and Paul Thomas Anderson finally gets his Oscar And that's
what makes his speech so much more impactful.
I'm kind of getting sick of like this, like this,
these productions where it's like the Oscars is just one guy holding all these goddamn awards.
Like Sean Baker had four of them last year and he was just holding them all at once.
And it's just like, hey, man, the director of
Parasite was the same way on his night.
Remember that?
He had like five Oscars at 9 or whatever else.
Oh, yeah, but he made his specific two kiss, and that was cute.
Alex, who were you rooting for for director?
Was it Ryan Googler?
I think what I was was hoping
would happen was my another the other conspiracy theory would be like
was like the opposite, the one that one's best picture
doesn't have the doesn't work. win
the best director because I was thinking like either Ryan
Koogler or Chloe's Z. However, I was proven wrong once
again, which is fine.
But at the same time, I wish it would have been either Chloe's Zo or Ryan Coogler.
Yeah
And Donnie, what did you think about that?
Yeah, I was really, I was really rooting for Coogler on this one.
I thought he was going to win.
I thought so too.
Yeah, I thought he got.
I thought so too.
Yeah.
But you know what?
It's fine.
He's a young guy.
He's still kind of early in his career.
He's already done all these big movies.
He's already worked with some of the greatest actors.
Like, he's got a whole career ahead of him.
PTA has been in it a little bit longer.
What was that?
One Battle after No is not his strongest movie.
No No, it's not.
No.
No, it's not.
The master would have been a great choice to do this.
I love than that.
Master, you know, inherent Weice is fine.
Phantom Thread was great.
Phantom Fred's great.
You know, I
can't argue that this is a movie that doesn't deserve
the best Oscar.
However, I just say Ryan Kgler
deserves best director because that movie, when you leave
the theater, when you're thinking about sinners, years from now, I'll
be still thinking about the sunlight when it fades
on everyone's faces before all that violence happened and how it was still the best day of their lives.
And that's impactful in cinema.
Yeah, great point.
I also think that, you know, it's one of those things where
I feel that the Oscars should represent lightning in a bottle.
You know, like you, you should reward the art that
actually represents and go, the
culmination of that one period of time of them
filming a film and having the best actors and actresses and, you know, the production.
That should be
what, wins the award. like,
of, like a long term term, like body of
work that, okay, now we finally give you an award.
I think.
Yeah., like, you guys said, PTA should have gotten awards earlier on
since giving, you know, Ryan Coogler an award this
year would have made a lot of sense, you know, but, you know, whatever,
that's, That's a fabulous point.
It's all the Academy operates, though.
Like Denzel should have gotten an award a lot earlier, a
lot way before Training Day.
Training Day was a great movie.
Yeah, exactly.
And Training Day was a great movie and a great part that he played, but
was Malcolm X a better acting role for him than Training Day?
I haven't actually seen Malcolm X, but I should see it.
But Training Day is a great movie in and of itself.
So, you know, it's just, it's all subjective at the end.
I don't know.
It's subjective, but history often shows what movie carries forward
Yeah.
And, you know, like, it's like if La La Land had
really won that night, would we have still remembered Moonlight?
I asked that question because, you know, it's it's
that period where if I still think do the right thinging
is the movie that should have won Best Picture, Best Director, best,
best original screenplay, just the whole list.
And I can think of several films that only seldomly is
the Oscars right, is the lesson we should always take.
Like, the last one I think would be a perfect Oscars would be the one where Silence the Lambs won everything
Yeah, it's a good point.
Film editing, one battle after another was the winner.
What did you say A Hunter about as far as editing goes?
Like, how do you judge what an editor?
An editing winner should look like?
Well, you know, it's it should give you a sense that at the end
of the movie, like you have watched a cohesive, like strip.
Like everything should just be
seamless, right?
It should have no, no edits that are bad.
Every scene should be good and three scenes that are great is the old maxim, right?
I never heard that.
Yeah.
Well, that's what you should take into your next film.
All the scenes should be good and not bad, and then three should be great.
But in this case, like, I liked, I liked one battle after another.
It probably had the best ending sequence out of any film that we watched.
I would have probably, probably, I don't can't remember who
I gave it to because that was the first thing we talked about last podcast, and that was good old months ago.
Yeah.
Well, you're an editor.
You'veor.
You're a good editor, by the way.
So, like this, this has to mean something to you.
Do you think one battle deserved it more than everybody else?
Well, let's look up the nominees and you can edit this out later.
It was one.
It was F1, it was Marty Supreme.
Sentimental Value Centers.
Oh, yeah, I guess the only two in that category I would have actually cared.
Because, oh, I remember shitting on F1 for so long in the last podcast.
There we go.
I never had one Battler Siners.
Yeah, that seems like it would make sense.
I will say editing is 51% emotion, right?
So Siners is an emotion heavy film.
It worked for that reason.
It does have like those kind of choppy-ish editing sequences for
the action.
One battle probably was seamless, and everything kind of kept your attention.
Marty Supreme.
So now, I wouldn't have given it to Marty Supreme.
As a former television editor, I would say,
my philosophy is, if I don't notice the edits, it's good.
Because I will watch something, whether it be a movie, a show, a commercial, whatever it is.
If I notice that there's a weird edit, that's not a good sign.
But then again, I have the eye for that.
I don't know that audiences doesn't necessarily have the eye for that.
Alex, I'll say you when it comes to editing?
I have zero.
I mean, I, okay, so I've I know how to edit.
I've edited on old school VHS
docs back in when I was going to community college.
And, you know, there's a lot of similarities to
music music editing and film
editing in the way it's like tracks and layers and the g
sort of fading in, fading out, you know.
A lot of that sort of stuff is kind of
mutual, but at the same time, I, you
know, for me, like, like, like Hunter
said, like it, if it kept me, if I thought it
was good, that's the most important thing.
And
as far as the three, three great scenes, I've never really thought
thought about that, you know, but that's a good way way to approach it.
And I think that's what I'll probably take with me when I
start to watch films moving forward as far as like
when I consider the editing this thing.
I do I mean, I will say, however, I do notice
like bad editing, you know?
Right, right, right.
Like, as far as like, or even just like, just sloppy.
It doesn't like why Whether or not it's
bad is kind of subjective, but, you know, if something feels sloppy, that's kind of, you can't really like
say that it isn't, you know, give me a give me a sl sloppy plate.
It's going to look like a sloppy plate.
Right.
I don't care if you like wipe the edges of the plate.
It's going to look sloppy.
You know, Tarantino once said, you know, a writer thinks
about the word, a musician thinks about the note.
An editor is all about the frame
You know, one or two frames can make or break an edit.
Donnie, I know you've dabbled in editing a little bit, so what did you think about one
battle after another taking the win that night?
Yeah, it's very limited, I would say.
So I think this is one of the categories where I didn't really have an
opinion, but, you know, I was thinking about it after that episode
And I was thinking back to Justin and I got to see Sitters before it was complete.
The production was complete on it.
And so I was thinking a lot, I was thinking back to what it
looked like when we first saw it while it was still in production to the final edits.
And just, you know, like the scenes like the dance scene,
there's just certain scenes to me, again, because of my limited knowledge,
it seemed like it was really, it was really cool and I was like, I wonder how I wonder how they shot that.
So that's what I would have gone for.
But again, I don't have very much knowledge on
editing in general.
Let's move on to the next two big ones.
Writing adapted and writing original.
We'll bundle these two together.
Let's start with adapted screenplay, one battle after another, one adapted screenplay.
Hunter, I know you have an opinion out on this.
I have opinions.
It was written by Paul Thomas Anderson, so what did you think about that?
Well, again, I'm forming a more structured
opinion as we go along because I'm reading
Thomas Pension's Vinand.
I really wanted to get a very firm opinion before I said anything, but.
I'll say this.s it's interesting.
It's an interesting choice.
I think it was done because Train Dreams is also like
the, that was like the underdog this year and it had no, all the tens and got sucked out of the room for the others
I would have personally given it to Tran Dreams
just because Thomas Pension's violand is not his strongest work.
I can see the way it was adapted was perfect,
but it was, it was more meant to be like a zany inherent vice kind of thing
which, you know, a lot of modern
like Gonzo murder mysteries are more based off of
inherent vice and like Vielin was kind of a sequel to that.
Original screenplay centers was the correct choice.
Good job, everyone.
You should have adaptive screenplay could have also gone
to Hamnet if you really wanted to be technical.
Or Bogonia, which I didn't know was adapted by writer Will Tracy.
Yeah.
And he obviously, Frankenstein was adapted. as
far as originals, so Siners, Blue Moon, it was just an accident.
What do we know about that movie?
I don't know nothing about that movie.
It's actually one of the Palme'ior last year.
It's like a comedy.
It's more of a comedy of errors.
It's kind of like, if you, if you like Parasite, it's
just an accident is a great film to watch.
It's a foreign film.
You do have to pay attention to it.
Oh, you.
It's a very intricate plot.
You have to use your mind a little bit for once.
Thomas Pinchon wrote Gravity's Rainbow, which is about this thick of a book.
Yeah.
I don't I would never be able to read that book.
It's just too much.
But has anybody here
heard of it or read it or?
No, It's this thick of a book.
So you know, the guy the guy really fucks with writing, I guess.
Right.
Well, the interesting about Thomas Pinchon is that we have
no idea who he actually is.
He is not a public figure.
Thomas Pinchin is actually a pseudonym.
And he is yeah, he is completely private.
He' We have no clue who he actually is.
He does not do public appearances of any kind.
So we have no idea who this man truly is.
We just know PTA is a fan.
Potentially PTA knows him, but we can't confirm that.
He's a fan, he's a fan, he's a fan.
Okay.
I'm glad Ryan Klger won for centers, though.
Who were you betting on for original?
You said Ryan Koogler, right?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It would have been a crime if they didn't.
Yeah.
I mean, and that was up against Marty's Supreme and Sentimental Valley as well.
And Blue Moon
Donnie, did you have an opinion on original screenplay or adapted?
Do you remember?
I just knew that Frankenstein wasn't going to adapted
just because when you compare it to the original, very Shelly work it.
He just took a different stance with the way that,
the feminist portrayal in Frankenstein.
So I knew he wasn't going to win for that.
But for an original screenplay, I figured it was going to go to Sinders.
And that's what I was really hoping that would go too soon.
Gotcha.
Alex, what was your stats on the writing categories?
I actually don't think we even really discussed it at.
I don't think so.
Which is why I don't recall if I ever like made a choice.
I may have just been like, oh, I don't I don't know.
I will say that one battle feels like an original screenplay, even if it is based on something else.
I was just re-watching a little bit of it earlier before we started it.
And there's something about that movie that
There's about all of PTA's movies that feels like this just came out of his mind.
You know?
You know, he's very much an aute director.
Tarantino's the same way.
Tarantino has borrowed a lot from other movies, but everything
he writes feels like he's just making it his own.
So that we got writing out of the way.
VFX, I mean, that's kind of obvious.
Avatar won that one.
Yeah.
It's interesting that the VFX movies are always
like the big, the big blockbuster movies that don't aren't necessarily
deep on the story level, like Jurassic Park, F1.
I don't know what the hell the Lost bus is, but Siners was also nominated for VFFX as well.
So that's part of the exceptions of the rule.
I mean, Hunter, what do you think about that really quick?
Oh, not to give it to the poor
VFX team, I'm sure once you looked at their salary versus
their hours working, it was pennies, pennies. and
they're probably an encroachment.
So I would I would say, you know, when we get to Avatar
5 and when they unfortunately get to Avatar 5
they'll, they'll, the poor animators, they'll have to drag
them out of the cells they keep them in. potially You're thinking.
I'm thinking of Avatar 35, my friend.
James Cameron's going to be a corpse making those fucking movies,
you know, with an AI che generator or whatever.
That man's a slave driver.
What are you talking about?
He's the owner of that plantation, sir.
All those poor animators are stuck in a basement somewhere.
Let them out.
Let those people be free.
Yeah, I agree.
F1, one sound.
I guess that's not surprising.
Music went to golden for Best original song
for K-pop Demon Hunters, which we watched that night as well.
You were there.
Yeah, at our buddy Matt's house.
I don't know.
I guess that's fine.
I mean.
I mean, Miles Caten for I Lied to You would have been a
nice choice, but just as if you go anywhere right
now, if you go to any popular event, how many times is Golden going to be played
Right.
Why does K-pop have such a strangleold on the zeitgeist right now?
What's going on there?
What is it about K-pop that's just like...
Well, I don't know.
One of the things that I was watching a little of D documentary on
K-pop and one of the things that they discussed about it
was that it takes elements of like a lot of different
genres and put matches it them all together.
Like, I remember at least the early days of like K-pop,
like I say the early days and when I mean by that,
it's like that maybe like 2010, like late 2010s, you know?
But they were like
they were showing this journey of this K-pop group.
They even like I said, they took elements of country.
I don't say that like older country, but like modern country.
You know, it's, I would say the same thing
for country, though, too. country just steals from
everything else.
You listen to like any modern country, they
steal from like hip hop, they steal from like, like modern
pop and, you know, modern rock and punk and,
you know, it's, it's, it's a people pleaser genre genre, you know?
It has elements that like everybody
loves, but it also incorporates like pretty people
you know?
Yeah, it does.
You know, it has a lot of like, like, it takes that
sort of boy band, girl group sort of, you
know, blueprint and just adds elements of
like what the everything else is good at, you know,
and what everyone else enjoys about other genres
You know, it has like dubstep early days, it had dubstep
included and like, you know, things like that.
So it's it's that's why K-pop has
become so huge in the zeitgeist of pop culture.
And add that to the fact that it uses anime.
You know,
You're scoring an anime film, and anime is huge.
It is huge now.
Yeah, yeah, it is.
I mean, and you said we're right.
Go ahead. watch K-pop Demon Hunters that night of the Oscars.
I thought it was like Into the Spider-Verse meets Pixar, but dumb.
Like, it's dumb.
It's fun, but it's dumb.
Like, there's
Let's be honest.
Like, it's not deep, really story-wise.
Like, it's very much serviceable.
Are you saying that racism against demons is okay?
Actually, maybe, yeah, but it. doesn't
have that same emotional chore that you would find in like
any given Pixar movie, whether it's soul, whether it's.
It's for children.
It's for.
Right, right, right.
Pixar movies suck now because they're for adults.
Why haven't no one figured that out yet?
No wants to watch them.
I think Capitalism has ruined Pixar too, I think, actually.
Blame it on the Disney adults.
That's you I' blaming it on.
Careful what you say, because they are very rabid.
I know they are.
And and I get it.
I and I'm not saying that to be disparaging...
How many badges do you have, Alex?
But you know what I mean?
It's like they know
Disney knows their audience now and it's not children who
are going to like buy all this merch.
It's it's adults.
And it's adults buying the.
It's adults buying the merch for their kids, even though their
kids aren't, like may not even be into it.
A lot of A lot of these adults are like, hey, let's
go watch this together when it's mainly for them, you know?
Yeah.
That's that's the problem with Disney right now.
And that's the problem that K-pop demon Hunters addresses so perfectly.
It's a genre that is meant for children,
primarily, and that marketed towards children and teenagers.
And the reason they liked it is because they had themes they identified
with primarily, you know, like the very like, if my
friends learn this horrible secret about me, will they still like me?
If you boil down the plot of K-pop demon hunters, it's that.
Also
like you said, no uggos and sing pretty.
Is K-pop in you, my little Pony?
I sure?
No, I don't want to discuss that.
But there's no.
There's no uggos in K-pop,
and everyone sings pretty, and that's a genre.
That's a winning format.
You know, everyone just has to be good at their job and look good doing it.
And also they have to say something relatable that, you know, other people can identify with.
And you can you can sell out theaters for a singalong version for one weekend only.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
Okay, let's move on to the big one of the night.
Best Picture winner was one battle after another.
It was up against Pegonia, F1, Frankenstein, Hamlet,
Marty Supreme, the secret Agent, Sentimental value, Siners and Train Dreams.
Hunter, who were you betting for Best Picture?
I feel like you said.
Hamnet?
No, Siners.
I would have been happy with four choices
Had it been Train James, Siners, Hamett,
or One Battle after another, those were the top four.
And there were some strange ones in there from for me to begin with.
Like, I wasn't very happy that Marty Supreme got a best
picture F1 that was strange to me.
Sentimental value seemed unearned.
We need to stop giving the best international picture a best Oscar nom.
It should go to something that people relate to better.
That's I'm sorry to say it, sentimental value did not
have the impact that it should have had to actually, you know,
like be an Oscar nom for Best Picture.
You can can win best International all you want.
Yeah.
Well, let me ask you this really quick.
What do you think about the controversy surrounding one battle?
And then so far as
how a white director portrays black women's bodies.
Like there was a whole thing about that and how they thought it was kind of
like problematic, the way they portrayed Tiana Taylor.
I don't know.
I didn't really get that from watching that movie, but that's kind of like
the thing that's going around for that movie.
I would say that it's it's this is going to be an
Oscars that's going to be defined by one conversation, how we
portray people who are minorities.
And there's the minorities who told their own story
You know, there's there's the sinners that
they were able to tell their own story and that's going to be forever the conflict
between one battle after another, which they're portrayed as the heroes.
Like they're complicated characters that have actual
like conflict in their lives.
And that's not just like based solely by race.
It's based on the actions that they do performing in the movie.
Race is just a part of a larger background in one battle after
another for like the kind of like hyperganomics that's being portrayed
So that's that's one of the big questions that we're
going to be asking ourselves, because it's led by
this kind of like, you know, like these by Leonardo
DiCaprio and it's kind of a lesser role versus like Chase Infinity,
who is able to stand very well on her own.
Siners, I think, should have been the choice, and I
think we'll be saying that five for years from now we' saying, really, that was not the best picture that year.
That was the one that didn't capture people's hearts.
Like our friend here said it caught lightning in a bottle.
Like one battle after is incredible.
I love the movie.
I'm not to say anything bad about it, but I still think we'll say Siners was the best movie.
And that's the other thing I wanted to touch on as well is that people are saying, there's
this huge discourse of people like, well, Siners wasn't even that
good, but it's like, bro, people, we're talking about it so much.
There's a reason why we're talking about it so much.
It could easily have been a forgotten movie, but it was
up against all these nine other movies.
Like, I think that says something about the quality of that movie and
the quality of one bad out genre, which also has its own controversies,
not just for the racial aspect, but also with the fact that people, some people just thought it was like kind of mad.
And it's like, okay, that's your opinion, bro.
I don't know.
Like, there's just a lot of discourse about it right now.
It's weird, you know?
Well, one battle after never lost money.
And I think when you look at the box office receipts
people who came back to see it again and again were
like LA film boys who went to see it at like all
the iconic theaters and they went to see it in one format,
then another and then like you were't, you didn't really see one battle after another until
you saw it in VistaVision, which is like those are all technical achievements
Siners, everyone saw it.
There's not a person on this planet who didn't see it.
And if they didn't't see it, they're kind of a loser.
Donnie, what do you think about all that?
Hey, I'm 100% Hunter.
I think Siners by far should should have won this one.
This was such a good movie.
It was definitely my choice.
Alex, how'll say you?
I'm still like, like in the camp of like, you know,
it could it could have been like either sinners or one battle left or another or Ham that.
You know, I I think, like, again, I haven't seen Ham that.
I think it it's hard to like, like
both.
I love PTA.
I think he's like a fabulous director.
I've always loved his films.
I haven't seen all of them, but like I, I've
seen a good portion to like know that I enjoy his directing style.
I think Ryan Coogler is a
young genius who's like destined for more
I think had he won
Best Picture, again, like I said, Lightning
a Model, and it would have been deserved so deservedly so.
You know, he created a fabulous picture
And it was a
piece that was well put together.
And that's what lightning in a bottle is.
And again, you know, I was watching a video about like
how the Academy chooses like
how they do their voting system and everything, and I guess it goes like a few rounds and then there's like this, the
the main mainstream favorite, and
then there's's like the sentimental favorite and like
that those usually those two are usually the ones that end
up battling for the votes at the very end after they go through all their rounds.
And
those, like, I feel like if
anything, um sinners and one
battle after the another were probably bad battling it to the very bitter end
when they were doing their their voting rounds.
And, you know, it's just happened.
I wonder if like that it was like a like, like a very fine line of like
votes that probably got one
battle after another, the win.
Yeah.
No, yeah, I agree with all that.
And, yeah, so that's pretty much it.
I think I think we did it.
We covered pretty much all the big ones.
Casting went to one battle after another to Cassandra Kulukundus
which is a very interesting last name.
They were up against Ham.
They represent against Marty Supreme, Secret Agent and Siners.
I think I said last time that I
think Marty's Supreme would deserve it just because there was so much stunt casting in that movie.
You had Tyler the Creator, you had Kevin O'Leary.
You had Ted Williams with the golden voice
and Marty Supreme.
I could have seen Marty Supreme taking that one home, but, alas, I did not.
I was actually kind of thinking like when we were discussing this
after the fact,
Casting, when I think about it, it's
almost like, well, if if you want to really get
into it, why don't we consider it
like as far as an ensemble as a whole?
I mean, the direction, how does that ensemble work together
and did the casting director do a good job
of casting it?
And so like, you look at all the characters and while,
you know, the stunt casting was like, like cool and all, did
those characters really, really, truly work as like
an ensemble if you just kind of like, you know, if say,
take, for instance, you take characters that never interacted with each other and they have them interact in your own imagination
would that have worked?
And I'm thinking like, no, no, I don't think some
of those characters would have worked, you know?
You look at something like
one battle after another or sinners, you take characters that never interacted with each other.
I think they would have worked.
you know?
So I don't know.
That's just my opinion on how I see how that sort
of category should be worked, you know, as far as
like a voting system or how you should choose a winner.
I think the Oscars also do rank choice voting, voting,
from what I've heard, which is interesting because Hunter, you
were making parallels last time to a senatorial race
during the award season, right?
So that's interesting.
Any thought, any final thoughts on casting before we wrap it up?
It should have been sinners, and that's all that's we will ever say.
And it's strange that casting is giving the new like insight
later into the night, who's going to win Best Picture.
Yeah.
Donnie, any final thoughts on that?
No, I just Cers as well for me too.
I thought they were going to wait.
Gotcha.
And really quick, what do we think about
the second hosting for Colon O'Brien?
This is the second time he does it to we enjoy that, to be like that at all, Hunter?
Fniest post Oscars little bit
where they do the host for life thing and they did one Battle After Never.
I really enjoyed that.
I really enjoyed that.
I think it's going to signal that perhaps he's going to maybe
get one more time out of it and then he's off to a greener pastures.
Before YouTube, YouTube is going to be the new home for the Oscars.
How did we get here?
How did a major tech company take over the biggest
award show of everything?
Like, I don't understand how we arrived.
Well, let me ask you this.
In your apartment right now, which can you more readily flip to?
YouTube or can you get ABC?
Because you need like a TV and a box and you need like.
What's ABC?
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
What's ABC?
Yeah.
I have no fucking clue how to get ABC in my house right now.
I had to go to Matt's house.
I get that money now.
I can't do it.
I just can't.
YouTube is so much more accessible.
You can just click on it and they're like actively pushing it towards you.
It's so many more people are going to watch.
You know, when I was a kid, we still had those.
Remember that, the big knobs?
Turn the TV channels on the.
Remember those, Alex?
I know you remember those.
And Donnie as well.
Hunter, you're probably too young.
But now, like, that's all we had.
We had like six channels, maybe.
Maybe, if we were lucky.
Now, my kid has a thousand and
million fucking things to watch on YouTube
So I guess it makes sense that they are taking over.
And I guess it makes sense that tech in general is taking over Hollywood.
Well, I think you had mentioned a while ago that
like what YouTube is the largest social media platform.
Bigger than Netflix.
Yeah.
Yeah, bigger than biggerger than Instagram or Facebook.
Right.
Yeah.
They have a monopoly on video, on streaming and whatever.
Although TikTok is catching up to them, but TikTok is still kind of.
TikTok is very good for short form.
YouTube is always going to dominate, I think, in the long form.
Yeah.
Space.
It sucks to watch things on TikTok.
YouTube, they very made it user-friendly.
You can even click it off.
I can use YouTube Pro and just like do anything I want
I think in 10 years, like all
of us will be, will not even think about this choice.
It's just going to be like the path of that.
What you you should be more concerned about is that the
larger the company, the more control they have over your life
And it'll no longer be a question if you give
money to them, it'll be more of a question if how you
won't be able to give money to them.
And YouTube is probably aiming towards that, even though it's quieter, quieter than everyone else.
Let's just make YouTube a.
a public fucking, what do you call it?
A. What's the word for things you have to pay for?
Like electricity, gas, water?
A utility.
A utility.. utility. public utility at this point.
Well, that's the fear.
That's the fear.
We'll have YouTube utility because you'll have to watch it.
Yeah.
ventually going to get.
Let's not have that happening.
Let's not have C.
No.
I think we're headed there because when they become a subscription base service eventually watch.
Obviously, you know.
They're trying to gut the USPS right now.
So eventually you got the to pay a tiered subscription level to get your mail and shit.
Like, you want your bills from your doctor and all this other stuff, you got to pay extra, you know, this amount
Otherwise you can't, yeah.
But we won't get into all that.
Yeah, no, I think we did it.
That was pretty much everything.
Is there everything I missed, Hunter that you wanted to touch on before we wrap it up?
Or how do you feel?
No, not at all.
The only thing I'm thinking of is that I haven't seen a movie that
has captured my attention this year like these movies last year did.
So we'll have to wait.
Maybe Project Hail Mary will be the one.
And then later on, we got Dune 3 and we also have Doom Avengers Doomoomsday dropping on the same weekend, right?
So that's going to be interesting as well.
Done's Day interesting horror movies coming out.
Undertone is one that I've heard about.
Oh, yeah, you seeing that.
So we'll see how that turns out.
Yeah, really quick.
Anything else you guys are looking forward to, Hunter, specifically this year?
What I'm looking forward to, there the one thing, the Caser Rock Film Festival.
That's.
April April 11th.
April 9th for the 12th, even better.
Yeah.
And, you know, we have announced all the the
selections, so you can watch 61 movies that whole weekend.
Passes are available now.
We're showing the
very first adaptation ever of the First
Man by Eugene O'Neill, a production company out
of London created that independently, and it's the very first
ad adaptation of one of his best plays from the Guy Who
Made The Ice Man Cometh and Long Day's Journey In Tonight.
You can see that.
It's our closing night film.
You can also see great films like Quite After Supper by Francis
Traja and you know, Kane Kane home.
And you can see very popular short films that
always sell out like Rock the World and the comedy
and Drama Hour and of course, my favorite, The Midnight Club, which is all the horror movies.
Come see some horror movies with me.
We'll have a lot of fun, I promise you.
Nice.
I like that.
Documentaries, by the way, that's my baby.
I'll say some good stuff coming out this year.
Yeah.
Right, Hunter?
So we'll see that.
And some surprises from the documentary cruise.
So perhaps
perhaps your, get your hearts ready.
Yes, sir.
And where can people find you, Hunter?
You can find me at the Caser Rock Film Festival and
my own personal Instagram, Hunter F. Burns.
That's on Instagram.
You can find me on YouTube and TikTok.
And whatever, wherever a cause is to be that others would not
As St.
Peter asks, where are your scars?
There, boys, there I will be.
Thank you.
Alex, uh Any final thoughts?
Where can people find you?
You can find me at Daily Dares on all the socials.
I will be, uh, as
some of you may already know that I formerly
used to run a promot a music promoter
thingy in the desert, but I've just kind
of recently just converted all my socials into
like me filming shows that I go to and everything.
And so on Monday, I will be going to see this
band called The Girl Gang, and they are from Indonesia
They're like a indie punk band that I'm very excited to see.
I just discovered them recently. and I'm going to try to
film some video and post it onto my Ghost channel
YouTube and my Ghost channel Instagram.
And hopefully
I'll be up front and center to be able to
film this and get you guys some cool videos
of like some full some of their little songs from their sets
and out they're opening it acts and everything.
And I'm really excited because I've, you know, I love like foreign
bands when they come to
tour in the U.S. It's kind of like a unique experience and it's like, you never know if they'll ever come back.
I've I've been able to experience some really cool international
acts that come across my path.
Seratos Gas, and
there was, they're from Brazil.
And then another band from, I can't recall the name.
It was so long ago, but they were just like the most, Dacine, Dac.
They're obviously probably no longer together, but they were from Japan and they were just
incredible.
I have, I still have the DVD that they gave me of like
some of their performances and some of their experimental music videos that they put together.
But yeah, I encourage people to go see
international music acts that when they come through their town, especially
like when you can find, go see them at smaller music venues,
like, like a soda bar here in San Diego.
So I'll, like, if you guys can make it out, I don't know if this is going to be air
in time, go see one of their shows if they're coming into your town.
Girl Gang, GRRRL gang.
I think that's the name.
Always support local and small artists, always support
local and small film festivals, obviously, that's important as well.
Donnie, and thank you for that, Alex.
Donnie, where can people find you?
Yeah, social media underscore Donnie Appeed.
Also, if you want to check out my photography, it's all five photography
also on Instagram.
I really wanted to come out to the film Festival this year.
I forgot.
I have a conflicting camp trip with my son, so I totally forgot about that.
But I'm going to do that this year, but next year I will definitely need be there to support.
So, nice.
Well, I'm looking forward to meeting you, Donnie, so I'll hoping that next year we can make that happen.
Don't worry, Phil brings people together no matter what.
So we're going to make sure that happens.
I will definitely be there next year for sure.
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That Denver girl, Miss Amber White was not
able to join us tonight, so let's all asame her really quick for not being able to be here with usral.
What do you want to say?
Shame, Shame, shame.
Shame.
I told always misses my shows.
She misses my shows.
Yeah, she was not able to be on tonight, unfortunately.
Next time we'll get her on, for sure.
All right, guys.
Any final words from the gentlemen?
No, nothing.
I just want to give my full-froated support to Taylor Frankie.