In this episode of Never Seen It, we dive into Tim Burton's 1994 cult classic Ed Wood, starring Johnny Depp and Martin Landau. We discuss why this affectionate biopic about the so-called "worst director of all time" has become one of Burton's most underrated films. From Ed Wood's relentless optimism and unconventional filmmaking style to Bela Lugosi's touching late-career friendship with the aspiring director, we explore what makes this black-and-white love letter to outsider artists so enduring and inspiring.
This week on Never Seen It, we revisit Tim Burton's 1994 masterpiece Ed Wood, starring Johnny Depp, Martin Landau, Patricia Arquette, Sarah Jessica Parker, Bill Murray, and an incredible ensemble cast. Often overshadowed by Burton favorites like Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, and Batman, we discuss why Ed Wood may actually be one of the director's most heartfelt and accomplished films.
We explore the true story behind Ed Wood, the passionate filmmaker frequently labeled "the worst director of all time," and examine how Burton transforms what could have been a straightforward biopic into an inspiring story about creativity, perseverance, and believing in yourself—even when the world doesn't believe in you. We talk about Wood's infamous films, including Plan 9 from Outer Space, and his unwavering determination to keep making movies regardless of budget limitations, critical reception, or constant setbacks.
A major focus of our discussion is the touching friendship between Ed Wood and legendary horror actor Bela Lugosi, portrayed in an Academy Award-winning performance by Martin Landau. We examine how the film balances humor with genuine emotional depth, showcasing two misunderstood artists finding companionship and purpose through filmmaking.
We also dive into the film's portrayal of Ed Wood's cross-dressing, discussing how the movie handled gender expression and identity in both the context of the 1950s setting and its 1994 release. We consider whether Ed Wood was ahead of its time in its compassionate approach to a subject that mainstream Hollywood rarely addressed with nuance.
Beyond the film itself, we discuss Tim Burton's distinctive directorial style, his love of outsiders and dreamers, and why Ed Wood remains one of the most overlooked entries in his filmography. From the gorgeous black-and-white cinematography to the affectionate recreation of 1950s Hollywood, we explore how Burton crafts a love letter to low-budget filmmaking and artistic passion.
As filmmakers and movie lovers ourselves, we reflect on how Ed Wood's relentless optimism resonates with creative people everywhere. Is success defined by critical acclaim, financial achievement, or simply having the courage to create what you love? Ed Wood offers a surprisingly uplifting answer.
Join us as we celebrate one of the greatest films ever made about the messy, chaotic, and deeply human process of making movies. Whether you're a lifelong Tim Burton fan, a lover of cult cinema, or someone chasing a creative dream, this episode explores why Ed Wood continues to inspire audiences decades after its release.
Topics discussed:
Tim Burton's most underrated films
Johnny Depp's early career performances
Martin Landau's Oscar-winning portrayal of Bela Lugosi
The real-life Ed Wood and Plan 9 from Outer Space
Cross-dressing and representation in 1950s Hollywood
Why filmmakers relate to Ed Wood's relentless passion
The enduring appeal of cult cinema and outsider art
The friendship at the heart of Ed Wood
Burton's gothic visual style and black-and-white filmmaking
What defines artistic success
Welcome to the Never Seen It Podcast, the only podcast called Never Seen It that's worth listening to.
With us tonight, Mr. Arnie, The One Man Party, aka.
Arnold Kaleo, Mr. Daily D. Dares, aka.
Filipino Grigio, aka.
Alexo, the Brothers Calo.
And then, of course, that Denver girl, Miss Amber White is here
And then there's me, Boots Too Big, a.k.
Adrian Delat Torre.
And tonight we're discussing the 1994 Tim Burton movie, Edward
I met Bella Ligosi.
Well, I thought he was dead.
This is the most uncomfortable coffin I've ever been.
No, he's very much alive.
You flying, saucer?
starring a Who's Who of 90s of the 90s era.
Johnny Depp, Martin Landau, Sarah, Jessica Parker, Patricia R.
Jeffrey Jones.
We'll get into that.
Vincent D'noffriille, Bill Murray.
I mean, Mike Starr, it goes on and on.
Brent Hinley, Lisa Marie
who was also the alien chick in Mars Attacks.
If you guys remember that movie, I mean.
She's also Tim Burton's wife.
Oh, what?
Oh, shit.
I didn't know that.
I thought he was married to, what's her name?
Oh, Marker?
Yeah, I thought he was married to her.
No.
Oh, well.
They're good.
They're good friends.
Yeah.
The movie is about Ed Wood, a real life director.
Movies where his passion, women were his inspiration, and sweaters were his weakness.
The mostly true story of the legendary worst director of all time
who, with the help of his strange friends, filmed countmed
countless bean movies without ever bec becoming famous or successful.
Although that's to be debated, right?
Because we're talking about him on this show, which, you know that if
you' talked about on this show, you're going to get the famous NSIP bump, I think.
But this was Alex's movie, Alex, Why'd you choose?
Ed Wood?
I've been wanting to discuss this film for a long time.
I love this film.
I would say it's my all-time favorite Tim Burton film.
It flies under the radar amongst a lot of Tim Burton fans.
When I mentioned like when I ask people about their favorite Tim Burton
film, they're like, oh, Beetlejuice or oh, Edward Citatans.
Or even like Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
But rarely ever does it does like
Ed Wood or Big Fish come up.
Those are two of my favorite Tim Burton films.
Big Fish hits a lot closer to home, but Ed Wood is just like one
of those classic sort of Tim Burton hitting in all cylinders, sort of like films.
So, yeah, that's why I chose it.
I really loved the dynamic between him and
Martin Lando as Bella Lagosi
There was something so like sincere about their friendship.
Like it shouldn't work, but it does.
Like, but they're both so chaotic but in their own different ways.
You know,ella Lagos, he's washed up and Edwood is just like
a noname.
Nobody cares about him director.
And then they kind of come together to make this movie.
And I don't know.
There was something really, really odd about that.
Arnold, have you seen Ed Wood before?
Have you seen it before recording?
No?
No, never have.
Raw thoughts Arnold hit me with them.
What do you think?
Ed Wood?
Was this your cup of tea?
Black and white movies usually not,
but it does have a who's who of you know, all the really
big names, Johnny Depp, Bill Murray, Lisa
Murray, you, Sarah Jess Jessica Parker,
fan of the Sex in the City days.
I thought it was pretty good.
I didn't know that it was based on an actual real life that Edward was an actual director.
The movie at the end that they made a Plan 9 from Outer Space
is a real movie that he directed.
Are all those movies that they did
I don't know about the ones before before.
It's loosely based on his life.
I don't know how realistic that.
I think he did work with Bella Lagosi and stuff.
and Vamp?
Vampire?
How do you're vampire?
Vampire.pira.
I read that the real life vampire sued Elv Elvira.
Unsuccessfully sued Elvira for ripping off her whole style, which is interesting.
I mentioned at the at the end on the end.
I is it unsuccessfully?
Unsuccessful, yeah.
So like, I think She was not successful.
Like assing her, getting money.
I feel like at the end, I read it, like it said the opposite.
So, I don't know, it could be wrong.
We'll have our research department look into it.
But my rental lasts for about another 24 hours, so maybe I can double check.
You have to go back and rewatch that.
Yeah..
Edwood, had you seen it before doing it for this show?
I haven't seen it before, and I was really fascinated
by the dynamic between like, you guys were talking about him and
Ed's like friendship because I feel like the cynicism or
maybe not cynicism, but just like how delusional Ed Wood
was about like how good he was and like, about
what he could do and like, you know, his capabilities and stuff,
almost like, um inspired like Bella
Lagosi's character or you know what I mean?
The character's name is Bella Gosi.
Martin Landau?
Martin Landau is the., Martin Lau.
Okay, so the Bella Lagosi character was like just
waiting for another opportunity.
And it's like, even though it was like a bullshit opportunity, I feel like it
still made him feel good just because like Ed Wood is so delusional.
I like when he first walks into their shoddy little sound
stage and he's like, what about of my money?
He's, oh, like, just like slips them a couple bucks.
Like, that was such a good little moment.
Does the movie kind of feel slightly ahead
of its time in the sense that like Ed Wood himself is
like a cross-dresser and stuff and they don't like,
they don't like lean on that too much, but they really like use that as not
just for comeic effect, but like to sort of like develop his character
What would you guys say that that was kind of it of its time,
just given if this came out in 94 and the movie takes place in the, I don't know, post- World War II or whatever?
What do you think about that, Alex?
Here's the thing.
John Waters has been around for a long time.
You know, he's been making films, and he's a queer
icon in cinematography in film.
And the fact that Tim Burton took
the song as a sort of like a passion project
because Tim Burton, I think him making a film about a filmmaker
and possibly as somebody that he gets inspiration
from it as far as like..
We look back on Edwards's films kind of like,
I don't think fondly, but like as almost like a cautionary
tale, they even like used it in
Mystery Science Car as one of their episodes.
They did an episode on Plan 9 from Outer Space.
However, it's also a
testament to Ed Wood's drive,
to try, you know, although he they say later on at the
end of the film that he became an alcoholic and he died from.
Regardless of all that, I
think believing in your yourself, believing
in what you want to accomplish and that your passion, your definition of success
is up to you.
It's really up to you.
And I think that maybe, I don't, they
don't really go into like whether or not Edward found himself to be a success.
He obviously struggled with the idea of being a failure.
You know, you see it a lot in the film.
It was this film ahead of its time as far as the use
of cross-dressing and like
touching on.
He does say that he's a transvestite.
I don't know what the difference is.
I think Transvestite is just
mainly, you know, like the quote unquote cross-dressing.
Is that, am I correct?
Correct me if I'm wrong, audience.
C in the comments.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I think it's also kind of an outdated term that at that time meant
men who to try to be perceived as women, I guess, but not in the same way..
I think it's a bit of an outdated term that they would have used in the era.
I've heard that term in forever.
This is the first time in my
and this is obviously was like, what, 97?
Well, this came out in 94 94, which takes place in the 50s.
And Psycho, remember in Psycho, they refer to
the Anthony Birkins' character as Transvestine, I believe It' kind of makes sense.
Like if you think about like the 80s..
It kind of feels like it's an outdated, becomes an
outdated term in maybe the 90s or early 2000s.
Definitely in in 2026, I think.
Yeah.
Amber, I want to ask you next.
Yeah, what do you think?
What was it this movie ahead of its time?
Because we' older, like, like, that's not ahead of its time for 93, right?
93?
I feel like that's common.
People are People are doing that.
I said in 93, but to talk about it in 93 wasn't a big deal, right?
I mean, it was still a bit taboo.
Like, it was still just coming, like, people were
still kind of coming to terms.
I remember, just being around
film and it was still kind of taboo to talk about it.
Although it was making its way
you start to see films like, um bound
and Even like films that we've discussed before,
Doom Generation with Gregor Rocky, his films, they
start touching on the queer and like that whole diaspora.
It was still sort of this like shock value sort
of thing, but I think that it's also
it became because of those films,
because of those directors, it became something that was
sort of like easier to talk about in the mainstream.
Yeah.
I think it's way more mainstream now for sure than in the 90s.
I think now more than ever, but.. like, I don't know.
I feel like I feel like in that 93, like 94 time,
like that's when the raves were starting to happen, but I don't know, because I was two.
But I feel like the people at the raves, like, if you ever seen Party Monster and James St.
James and Michael Aleg and all that and then like the Sarah
Jesse Raphael episodes and like all that stuff, like there's
a lot of that kind of stuff and like gay people like just dressing
up like angels or goblins or whatever too, like
just costume type, like drag queen type stuff going on.
I thought, but I don't know.
Yeah.
Well, you'd see like all those talk shows too.
They're kind of making fun of them too on those like talk holes.
Yeah, you'd see like a lot of those talk shows, like, like you say, Sarah Jesse,
Raphael, and like Ricky Ricky Lake, Jerry Springer even.
You know, they'd have a Monto Williams.
I don't know about Mont...
M was more like who's the father, Ted.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
You know what?
You know what was mainstream in the 90s?
It's not mainstream in 2026?
Making movies like this, I don't think this movie would get made today.
Not because of the subject matter, but because this is a movie is a quirky little movie about
a semi- obscure film director from the 50s shot in black and white.
I don't see this getting made today, unless it's under some kind of like indie label.
It's kind of like Hard Supreme, right?
Unless that wasn't a real person.
It's like a nobody King Kong player.
Yeah, that's an interesting analogy, but, but yeah.
Oh.
You know, when you mentioned how
I also hadn't heard the word transvestite in a while.
And when I looked it up, it was it was saying that these
days it is kind of considered politically,
it not considered politically correct and that people can find it offensive.
I mean, you hear the word transgender
you use more.
And I think that they kind of switched to that.
Yeah.
No, that makes sense.
I want to talk about Johnny Depp really quick in this because,
first of all, I forgot what a pretty boy he was in the early 90s.
Like
Yeah, like, I was like, wow, like, I might have to start
questioning myself, but no, no, he came off the success.
I mean, he'd done Edward Scissor Hands, 21 Jump Street.
Those were like the big ones.
He was in one of the Friday the 13th movies
What's Een Guil Gilbert great?
And then this movie.
And I feel like he had a pretty good run just up until like this movie came out.
And then he'd gone on to do like more stuff after that that obviously would
be pretty big Fear Lo Las.
Don Juan DeMarco.
Did anybody ever watch Don Juan DeMarco?
I remember hearing about him.
I remember when that came out when I was working at the video store.
So like Ed Wood came out and around the same time that I started working at V Depot
And that was
like kind of my introduction That was actually my introduction to Tim Burton.
Oh, really?
At that I hadn't Other than Pee Wee's Big Adventure, I hadn't seen Beetlejuice.
I hadn't seen Edward Scissorhands.
It was kind of like this juxtaposition, to be honest, but it was also kind of like comedy.
I saw Tim Burton as this comedy director.
Yeah.
I, to be honest, I hadn't even seen Batman,
his version of Batman at the time. either.
Wow.
Yeah.
And Martin Landell, I mean, he had a long and storied career as well
And he worked with Timber and a lot.
He worked with him on Sleepy Hollow.
I don't remember him in Sleepy Hollow, North by Northwest,
which hit very well-k known Hitchcock movie, he was on X-Files.
He did a movie called Rounders, which I never saw, but it
has Matt Damon and Edward Norton in it.
That's right.
I did see that.
It's's like a gambling movie kind of thing. about poker or something like that.
Interesting.
I mean, like I said, just so many big, big name actors
for the time and even before their time, before the 90s, I should say.
in this movie.
It even stars Martin Lando's daughter.
That is Lisa Marie, not to be confused with Lisa Marie Presley.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, not Lisa Marie.
Oh, Lisa.
Julette.
Landau.
I, Julie fucked that up.
Yeah, Julia Landau, yeah.
She She was in it very briefly.
I thought she was going to be like the main squeeze for the rest of the movie.
Yeah, that's what everybody kind of thought, too.
I thought that she was going to be in the movie a little bit longer as sort of like a love interest.
The chat's kind of wild, guys.
Oh, what does the chat say, Arnold?
They're saying that oh, because I
posted about it, you know, Tim Burton movie, but but they said,
oh, it's not that Tim Hurton movie, the one who did Sleepy Swallow.
I don't even know if that's a real thing.
Wow, that chat.
That's a cheeky chat you got going there, Arnold.
Subscribers.
They didn't talk about Edward penis hands.
Penis hands?
I'm sure that is..
I got to scroll all the comments, you know.
I mean, that was when I I worked at VDDot, that's one of the..
Oh, that's a real one.
That's a real one.
That one AVN of the year in 1994, right?
That sounds like an adult movie.
Well, you know, it just might be.
It just might be.
Doesn't a chat always talk about adult movies?
Yeah.
I mean, a lot of them, I mean, that's why I'm saying they're kind of wild, you know?
Yeah.
Well, now..
Sounds like.
Justin's in the chat with us tonight.
He mentioned, we were talking about Montell Williams and all them earlier.
He mentioned Sylvia Brown, the Med.
Remember Sylvia Brown, the medium?
Do you guys remember that?
Amber, you're probably too little for that?
Yes, yeah.
I used to watch Mont Dylan Williams because I had nothing better to do.
Yeah.
Well, this was Montel's like, Miss Cleo, with Sylvia Brown.
You know, she would sit in the audience like, oh, and I'm getting,
uh, he had a hammer.
Was he in construction?
Oh, yes.
And then they would like affirm what she was saying that she would kind of add on to it and she was like a medium.
Yeah, that was great.
Love Sylvia.
How many name is Cleo?
Was Mrs. Cleo, like, was she one of those, like, you call in and
she gives you your reading.
What was the deal there?
cial?
Commercial, yeah. commercial.
One of those 900 numbers.
Only99 per minute.
Jeez.
D. Was that a cottage industry?
You guys think the medium industry?
Was that a bit of a cottage industry that I feel like it's gone away now.
You don't really see or hear much about
mediums and psychics anymore.
Maybe there's like TV shows..
I know they have California psychics still because I still see commercials on cable.
And really they do shows locally.
My mom My mom used to call and they told her
that she was going to adopt me..
Oh, really?
Apparently.
The California psychic said that I was coming.
Yes.
Well, I'm glad that happened.
So they were right about something.
I see a lot of like still around like those
little little tiny storefronts that
have like people like psychic readers
tell your fortune.
I'm wondering how they afford that in this economy. to have a brick and mortar.
Their husband are doctors.
They're doctors.
Their spouses are doctors.
Dentists.
Can we go to them and see if they predict a better future for us?
Just in general, like Can
they send us to a better future or an alternate reality?
We're talking about Ed Wood, the 1994 Tim Burton film
Really, really charming movie.
I was not expected.
I' I've seen this before.
I watched it like years and years ago, so I had to do a rewatch.
What a charming little movie.
I really appreciate.
Like, like you said, like he's kind of delusional, but he's like, he
can't get knocked down because he kind of gets the shit kicked out of him a
little bit throughout the movie, mostly financially and stuff
But like, he keeps going, man.
You got to respect the hustle, Ed Wood.
He's a bit of a grifter, but like, he gets it done. and he doesn't fuck around.
I really love, like, it's like the unglamorous
side of filmmaking, because it's like a cheap productions and like schlocky,
like production design and all that. he'll be like, all right, gut print, moving on.
And he's like, don't you want to, no, no, no, we're good.
I'm like, I love that.
Like that's so like, I don't know.
Like, you don't Not a perfection. not a perfection.
I I love the scene where they're like, they're
in that the graveyard and then they knock down over the gravestones.
He's like, hold on, just didn't you want to reshoot that?
They knocked over the gravestones.
It's fake.
it's all good.
Don't worry about it.
No one being giving attention to it.
Yeah.
I like the scene in the lagoon with the fake octopus..
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I actually related to that.
I've been on some film sets where we were like going late into the night and something wasn't working.
And it's like, we just got to roll with it, man.
We got to get the shot.
And boy, did they roll with it.
That was really good.
And then the next day, what is the next day, he's like, I only got one hour asleep
I got another sleep, but we're good to go.
Let's keep going.
You know?
I was like, that's such a, that's such a filmmaker like artist attitude, I thought.
I like when he was like, we don't have a permit.
Run.
Yeah.
That was good part when he was mentioning, oh, I
only got one hour sleep that kind of reminded me about like my old partying days where like
you know, I wanted to leave.
It was like one or two in the morning like, I got to work tomorrow, guys.
And then people are like, what's on your work?
I got to be there at 8, man.
And they're like, I got to be there at 6.
What's up?
So I'm still out.
So you better, you better, you better hang with us.
You'll be only.
Are those days, Arnold?
Do you miss those days?
Oh, not.
Not particularly.
There's a slight little pause.
I miss the days of not
being, not feeling nowadays, if I were to do that.
Man, you really feel it.
Oh, yeah.
Just I wish I had a.
I mean, just driving to LA. in one night on Uber coming back.
Remember you told us that story like,
man.
Would you sleep in like three days or something?
It took me like three days.
I did that from a Saturday night, Saturday night going into Sunday.
It took I didn't feel like recovered until like Wednesday.
That totally threw me off.
It wasn't worth.
The $220 was not worth it now.
But you still took the fare.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You still took the fare.
Never take the fair, Arnold.
It was just kind of like a, you know, eh, whatever.
Sure.
Yeah.
Not not really thinking about like the repercussions.
Yeah.
What do you relate to the most in this movie?
Arnold?
Edwood himself or somebody else?
Maybe Ed Wood.
Just because like he just kept going with it.
And then, you know, as
things would come along, you
know, deal with it, but then you'd always get these moments where like, like,
you're the perfect person. or, you know, I don't know.
I feel like I had a lot of situations where I like, what a perfect fit it was meant to be.
Yeah.
You know, and then, but, you know, it wouldn't really fail
because you end up, it's only a fail if you just depends on how you look at it.
Right.
You learn from it.
I really liked, I felt bad for Sarah and Jessica Parkers character..
I thought thought they made a really good couple.
She seemed like genuinely like, I don't know, like a good wife,
and then he like kind of screws her over it by gave him the part to the character played by Martin Landau's daughter.
And then she's out.
Why does she leave?
I forget why she left the production.
Are they just wrapped?
Which one?
Lando's daughter?
Yeah, the dark haired girl.
Remember, she was like, I just came came here to Hollywood
and like, I'll give you like everything I have.
And he thought, like everything she had was $60,000, but it was only.
That was actually.
Yeah.
And I think that she
stayed on to film that first film.
Yeah.
Which was Glenn Glenda, right?
Yeah.
That has to be the most awkward scene in the movie for me was
where he goes up to the middle of a take.
He's like, yeah, about the rest of the money.
She's like, I gave you my money.
Not $60,000.
Yeah, yeah.
I felt that in my soul, man.
And then Patricia Arquette, Patricia Arquit
always seems to show up and stuff, and she's always very like subdued, but like chilled out.
She kind of reminds me of her character in
True Romance.
I was going to say.
The very understanding, like, stand
by your man kind of character.
Yeah.
Like, very, very empathetic.
Like when she when Edward finally decides to like
be open about his prostressing tendencies,
she took it in a very, very positive way.
That's true.
And that's kind of the way her character in Two
romanceance was a very positive.
I think that hell statement that Stand by Your Man is such a dated statement in general.
I agree.
But like, it was like this sort of like, trust
the process sort of like, I trust that you know what you're doing..
And, you know, the consequences of like, especially during that time of like
being and opening up to this sort of secret
is a big deal and I'm going to keep your secrets
safe, but she she's also like, I trust that
you, you will make them, the decisions that you feel are necessary to
move forward and not let this like sort of..
Because it was taboo in that era.
Right.
To be a cross-dresser.
Because everybody just assumed that he was gay and it's,
you know, I very much like women.
Yeah, the way he says it.
Which was, there's obviously nothing wrong with being gay.
But at the same time, it's like, you kind of had to almost walk
it back, which was is kind of a shame as well.
But like.
Yeah, it's weird.
It's a weird time to like try to explain something even like that.
Yeah.
I wanted to ask you, Amber, who do you relate to the most in this film?
As an artist, you know, as someone who's worked on projects and stuff.
I'm probably as delusional as Ed would.
Why do you say that?
Just, I' just, I don't know.
I'm just like that.
I'm just like, you know what I mean?
There's really no reason.
I feel like there's no reason to be, I don't know.
I don't know how to explain it.
I haven't really ever done shit, but like, it's like, you know what I mean?
I'll still try to do anything.
Right.
I think that Edward, is the
most relatable character to everybody who, especially like people who are creatives.
I relate to, I relate to Edward massively.
I think he's his character not really being like..
I'm not like, I'm more of a curator than anything, but
at the same time, I want to get things done as far as like, I want to see my projects through.
And I think that any of us who are like creatives in
that sort of sense that like, we could relate to his struggles.
And you know why I can't?
Because my ADHDS doesn't know how to finish a project.
I know how to start a project
and then I get bored of it, and then I get excited about a new one, and
I get bored of it, and it's just the cycle continues to.
That's why we're around, dude.
That's why we're.
We push you along.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Because you know who I relate to the most?
Bella Legagosi.
Because he's kind of grumpy..'s Well, no, not in that sense, not in that sense.
Just in the sense of like wanting to take a nap.
He's a little bit grumpy on the grumpier side.
Shooting up morphine.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Wasn't that interesting how like, like they show the track marks on his arm, but like
the movie never gets too serious about anything.
Like, and it works.
Like, normally, if this was like made today, it'd
be like an after school special where we had to have a conversation.
That's the ninest thing, though.
Like, about it back then, yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, he's got track marks
Anyway, Bello, for the next day's shoot,
you know, and they just don't even pay too much attention to him.
I don't know.
They send him to rehab, and then they like the movie makes
a commentary on the American healthcare system where the doctor's like, um, yeah, he's got no money.
So he's got a goo.
And then he literally has to leave.
So I thought that was I thought that was funny.
And yeah, even the scene with the gun where he's like threatening
to kill himself, like that's also kind of played in a way that's not too serious.
Like, I don't know.
Like they really didn't take itself too seriously.
And I think I just appreciated that.
Because like you said, Alex, like today that would have been like a whole thing, right to
be like, I don't know, like overdramatized, like,
oh, he's a drug addict and, oh, we could address that.
Well, you look at, look at euphoria, you know, it's
Is anybody watching that show besides me?
You're watching it now?
Okay.
Yeah, that shows you know what that show needs and needs hip shaking.
I think if Arnold was in euphoria.. that would save the series.
You could do season five, just Arnold shaking his hips.
Yeah.
What else?
Who was this movie?
It was directed by Tim Burton.
Who wrote this movie?
Kaszukki and Scott Alexander, who have never heard of, but interesting names.
1408.
Did you guys, he wrote 1408.
Did you guys ever see that with
John Cusack and Samuel.
Jackson?
No.
That was about that was like the haunted old or whatever. 1508uh.
Yeah.
A man specializes into bunking paranormal occurrences, checks
into the fabled room, 1408 in the Dolphin Hotel soon after in.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I remember that..
I didn't, I think I watched it.
When did that one go?
Back when 2007, yeah.
Back when John Cusack made movies.
Remember John Cusack?
Yeah.
He just disappeared from the industry.
It's always weird when that happened.
Like, I don't know.
Like, you're on the zear for a long time.
I think his most popular one that he made
in recent memory was High Fidelity, was it is that the name of the film?
It's the one with the radio where he's hold holding the radio above his name?
No, no.
Like the newer of his newer films.
There was like
oh, man.
It was like a record store, Jack Black was in it.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was highity. movie?
Not a show?
That, it was a movie.
Well, there was a show.
Yeah, it was Zoe Kravitz, right?
Yeah.
Oh, I didn't know.
The original one was with John Kusag, Jack Black.
There was a movie.
What's his name?
Cameron?
Cameron Crowe.
Cameron Crowe, was it?
He' director.
Yeah, the director, right?
Yeah, he directed that one.
Cameron Crowe. right.
Well, no.
Hidel was directed by Stephen Freer.
Oh, okay.
Well, there was a what?
I don't know.
Stephen Freer.
I saw John Cusack was
they were interviewing him because there
was a time they were talking about Kobe Bryant totally off topic.
That's fine.
You do that on this show.
It's only four of us, so that's okay.
It was a game one
of the last games with Kobe between Kobe and Michael
Jordan back when Michael Jordan is with the Washington Wizards.
And Michael Jordan drew a offensive foul on Kobe Bryant.
And in the sidelines, John Kesack was like right there.
And he was like, he heard what, what Michael
Jordan and Kobe Bryant were saying.
And Kobe was like, how'd you know I was going to do that?
And
Kobe said that.
How' you know I was going to do that?
And Michael was like, well, everyone knew that you weren't going to pass the ball.
And so, then there's it's a part where where Kobe
was like playfully punching Michael Jordan and John
Cusack was right there and he said it was just was just a really cool moment.
But that was the last time I saw him.
Speaking.
That wasn't even a movie.
That was just in real life.
You were at the game?
No, no, it was an interview I saw like on Instagram or something.
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
I kind of caught some David Lynching vibes in this a little bit.
Was I the only one?
I sort of saw.
Well, actually, before we get into that Amber, you told me off
air, you kind of got like some Wes Anderson
kind of visuals from this, right?
Can you elaborate more on that?
Imetrical framing and like tracking shots, like zooming in, slow zoom.
Yeah.
Perfect symmetry.
Who's your favorite director?
Like, if you had to pick one on your head.
No, the director is Stanley Kubrick.
I said it a hundred times.
Even the viewer no. comments.
To reiterate, where does where
does Wes Anderson rank, though, for you?
Is the eye up there?
He's probably like medium
level, like on a scale one to 10, but like, I
just like kind of shoot like that sometimes.
Like, I really like the symmetrical framing.
Yeah.
And what about Tim Burton since we're talking about this movie?
I I just like, I was really into Gothic literature and undergrad.
And like, so I just like the Gothic literature, like undertones of it all.
And like, yeah, that Gic stuff.
I like that.
Yeah.
That's kind of David Lynchy too, but then I I feel also like David Lynch
is like sleepy dreamlike Gothic because you don't even really know if it's actually happening or not.
But like I didn't get that from the Tim Burton gothic.
It's like two kind of different types, you know?
There's definitely a
a sense of whimsy in all of Tim Burton's movies.
I mean, Big Fish, if you've never seen it, Amazing movie.
I've never seen that.
You should see Big Fish.
Obviously, Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
Even the original Batman movies have a slight sense of like a slight whimsical tone to them.
Like, it's not as pronounced as in this movie or
Peeee or whatever, but yeah, like Timberne does that well.
And I don't know what happened with Tim Burton, but what was the last time do you guys think he made a good movie?
I mean, let's be honest here.
Like, going into the 2000s, I don't know.
I guess Sweeney Todd was okay.
Did it be like Sweeney Todd?
Anybody?
I remember watching it.
It was okay.
It very memorable.
I don't really remember it.
Yeah.
It was okay.
Charlie in the joggle Fory was not good.
No.
That was bad.
For me.
See?
He was great.
Yeah, I was.
What's that?
If he did, I didn't know he did that, but I like that one.
Yeah.
Corpse Bride.
Amber, you must like Corpse Bride.
I've never seen it.
Okay, never mind it.
Never mind.
It is very gothic.
Yeah.
It for a clayation or like a stop animation film.
Clayation is such a dated term as well.
And then he did like Dumbo on like live action in 2019.
Nobody's watching that, dude.
Don't forget the infamous Planet of
the Apes in 2001.
I forgot that he did that.
I also did not see.
Well, there's a reason why you forgot.
Yeah.
I watched that in the theaters.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because so did I, actually.
And
I wanted my money back.
When me money back.
When you my money back.
When you asked who your favorite director is.
I was like, I was trying to think like myself, who's like favorite directorctor?
I couldn't think of any names.
Was Megan Fox a director?
Maybe I like one of her movies.
No.
No, she was not a director.
Oh.
Well, I don't Then I don't know any other movie.
You know You know Jurassic Park.
Was that by Megan Fox?
No, that was by Steven Spielberg.
But close.
You were close.
Oh, okay.
I don't.
George Lucas has ever directed, has she?
No, I don't think so either.
I would be shocked if she's directed.
Yeah.
I couldn't be a good director.
Here's the thing.
I give her a lot of credit for being the actress that she
that good actress that she can be.
Like, especially in
Jennifer's body.
What would you say?
Who's the modern day Megan Fox, like, right now?
Ravenhaven-haired Megan.
Don't say Sidney Sweeney because she's one.
Well, Gla Lipa, an actress or just a singer, because she's getting Megan Fox.
I think she's mostly just, yeah.
I don't.
She did that one film, though, with what's his name?
The one that played Superman?
The B. D?
Yeah, it was like a spy movie.
I got to see this.
I'm blanking on that.
I can't remember.
Charlie XCX did it a movie.
Charlie XCX.
Charlie XCX was in the newest Gregor Rocky film.
They cannot compare to Megan Pops.
I'm sorry.
She's not that pretty
No.
Charlie X.CX?
Charlie XCS is like.
She looks like an average girl.
Like, Megan Fox.
Yeah, she looks her average.
She's fucking Fox.
You can sure say that again.
Yeah, no.
Megan Fox does not have any directctor Chris as an IMDB.
just just wanted to check that while we were on the air, Arnold.
Okay.
Appreciate that.
Why don't you ask you chat?
Doesn't you chat, man?
eez.
I've had my phone turn face down so that I don't look at it.
Oh, gosh.
Is it chat just mostly this weird pics of
sexual acts?
No, that?
No, It's also his crypto chat.
It's also his NFT chat.
It's also his.
I' all one of the same first?
They're all all seem to be like Gooners, you know?
It's the ABN Awards 2026, Planning chat.
It's the ABN 2027 guessing
or they're all oh yeah.
No, they're all Gounners and CEOs of companies.
Yeah, that's that Well, that's actually true.
That's not even a joke
I want to talk about Bill Murray's character,
since we're on the topic of, what's the movie we're talking about?
No.
He's in this, and he's like, I guess he's like
an openly or maybe not so openly
gay character in this, right?
Did we gather that from..
You read between the lines and you know like his sexuality.
And he's so funny in this, in the few scenes that he's in.
I really like the one where they're getting, they're going to be baptized and he kind of like attached
his foot in the laundry room where he gets in.
Yeah.
He's got shoes on.
The Khid nu is that Bill Murray like brings
in to his style is so great.
I love, like something, a little thing like that.
Like if you're not paying attention, you wouldn't, like, you would just get glossed over.
But like something that that like Bill Murray does so well is something like that.
I agree.
I wanted to see more also of Tim Blake Nelson.
Tim Blake Nelson is the guy that asked Bella to go see, oh, so, you're friends with, what did you say?
Like, you know, uh, Boris Carloslov He's like, Boris Karlov.
No, no, it was like, I loved you and that's, like something that a certain movie.
And he's like, you were great as Boris Carllo's sidekick.
Sidekick.
That's sidekick
Fuck you!
I can't get for it.
Yeah, that was great.
That was a great writing gag., and he tears up the
script after he autographed it.
Yeah, Tim Blake Nelson is the name of that actor that
talks, that that tells him me he likes him as a sidekick.
You guys would know him.
He's been in a ton of stuff.
Like I could name movie after movie.
I' played.
I' Always as a supporting character.
Never starring in a movie.
He's very much like a, he's like a really high up there character actor.
He's like Ron Howard's brother.
What's his name?
Oh, Cliff Howard.
Cliff Howard.
He's got like Cliff Howard.
He's got
like the side hair, but completely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tim Blake Nelson is great.
Oh, brother, we're our thou?
Arnold, if you ever saw that?
That sounds like a good movie you would have seen, Arnold.
Oh, brother, where aren't?
George Clooney?
No.
Oh, you know what?
I was about to watch that.
You?
But then I ended up watching Country for Old Men.
Isn't that the same?
The Cohen brother?
Didn't they direct vote for those?
Yes.
So that's ironic that he saw one
Well, No Country for All Man is great.
Is Tim Blake Nelson in that?
I don't think he is, but..
Arnold, would you say that the majority of the movies you watch are for this show?
Yes.
Like in any given?
Lately, yes.
So if we didn't do this show, you probably wouldn't really watched much much movies, right?
I probably would have been re-watching a lot of the Fast and the Furious movies
Home Alone.
Hole Alone.
I mean, uh.
H 2.
Speaking of Fast and the Furious, did you see the
standing ovation it got for the rear-release at Cannes at?
Yeah, it was kind of crazy.
I got the chills just watching that.
I was like.
Yeah, like the diesel like, oh, what's his name?
The the one that passed me Paul Walker?
Paul Walker.
His daughter was there in attendance at C
And after the screening, there was a standing ovation
for Fastest and the Furious and then like Vint Diesel went up to
Paul Walker's daughter and gave her a hug.
Dude, it's actually can, Alex.
It's can.
Very French.
The S is silent.
Huh.
God.
I want to go to Can's Film Festival.
It's not Canan at all.
I got nothing.
When you were talking about the elevation, I was thinking about it, I got the chills.
Why?
Because I just really love
those movies that Paul Walker, man, you
know, there's's a few celebrities that
you know, when they passed, like, man, it really really hit me
and I'm just like, gosh, what a treasure in that we lost.
Who Who's in your Mount Rushmore of deceased celebrities?
Kobe Bryant, Paul Walker, Bruce Lee,
the chat saying, like, they're like, who's a hot chick?
Who's a hot chick?
We got to add one on there.
But
I'm going from the heart, guys.
I'm coming from the heart.
Not from this head or this head.
Right, right, right, right.
From the heart.
Oh, um One from the heart, right?
One from the heart.
Yes, there we go.
This is McAllister.
Oh, um Catherine O'Hara.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
RIP.
Yeah.
But mine would be like Robin Williams
Oh, yeah.
Shit.
Now that' not.
I put myself on the spot.
Why did I do that?
Definitely Robin Williams, though, is up there.
I used to work in a TV station in Utah, and we had this grumpy
old editor, this grumpy old guy.
He was not pleasant to be around.
He didn't talk to anybody.
He just like would gruffly yell at people and stuff if whatever was late, you know?
Anyway, not a pleasant gentleman.
Let's just put it that way.
On the day that Robbie Williams passed away, we were talking about it
in the newsroom, and he popped his head out of his editing bay.
He's like,
Robin Williams died?
And I was like, that's the only time I ever saw him show like any
human emotion in like the year that I worked there.
So..
That really tells you something.
Yeah.
What was his name again?
First and last name?
Robin Williams?
No, no, no, this guy you're talking.
Oh,
I don't remember, honestly.
I know it doesn't matter.
So, uh, man, I don't know why I asked that question, and I can't even answer it.
But Robin Williams is definitely up there.
Maybe the Shanwow guy.
No, not the Shamwild guy.
Who was was the darkbearded guy that passed away that
was he was a spokesman for some products?
Oxylean.
The one for Oxy.
Yeah, what was that guy's name?
Billy, Billy, Billy Bl.
Billy something.
Billy something, yeah.
Billy
Bong.
B.
Billy Bong.
Billy Mays.
Billy.
Billy Mays.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I know, when Billy Mays passed, oh, yeah, no, that was that was a rough day for me.
They got a guy who kind of, they replace him who kind of looks like him.
He's damn well guy.
That guy's still alive, too.
That guy's a millionaire.
Yeah.
I forgot.
Isn't the Shire guy kind of like canceled?
Oh, was he NA or something?
Did he come out of Mag?
I think so.
What was the thing you said, Amber, that in the beginning of this movie?
the guy coming out of the coffin, you said that looked like Trump?
Because that was Donald Trump.
Who is that?
Well, it's funny because that actor is also a pedophile.
Who is he?
And I' I'm not even.
I'm not even making that up.
That actor that I'm talking about, oh, what was his name?
He was the dead and beat up.
Epstein.
Jeffrey Jones.
Jeffrey Jones Jones.
He was a pervert.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We played.
Wasn't he like caught with like a bunch of like child pornography on his computer and stuff like that?
That's what I read.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, it was funny when that scene came up and you see him rising out of the coffin.
I was like, yeah, you if you wince, you could kind
of see you see Trump and it all makes sense.
And he worked with Tim By a lot.
He was in Sleepy Hollow as well.
Obviously, Beetlejuice.
Beetlejuice, yeah.
You know, and and he's been in tons of big movies, Ferris Peeler's Day Off, Amadeus
the devil's Advocate.
Did you guys ever see the Devil's Advocate with Kiano and Al Pacino?
Yep.
Love that movie.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Arnold, what were you doing in the late 90s, my friend?
There were so many bangers coming out, bro.
Like, what were you doing in those?
He was in the room.
Arnold was in the room whenever I would rent movies and bring them in to the house.
Yeah.
But I don't know if you even paid attention.
Like, hold on.
I don't even know if you remember that I had an Edward poster in my room.
Yeah, no.
Alex, you were the movie nerd.
Arnold was a sports nerd.
What was your brother Donnie?
What was his hobby?
His thing?
Everything
Comp Computers, drawing, comic books, everything.
He was on the football team.
Anime.
Nice.
Yeah.
He was as good at everything.
Yeah. older brother was really good at everything.
Yeah.
Amber, were you watching a lot of bangers in the 90s?
Were you still to a little to appreciate like cinema?
I was watching The Bangers.
I was obsessed with The Shining.
I couldn't go to sleep at night without the shining on.
So that tells you on a psycho right there.
Where do you stand on 2001?
Where would you rank that in a Kubrick gilography?
She's?
Probably like number three. or number four.
Oh, interesting.
I don't know.
So what what are your top three then?
There's a film that he did in college
before he dropped out.
It's called Fear and Desire.
I like his college film, Fear and Desire.
That's like my number one favorite, which is because it's weird.
And then I'm going to say,
I can't say that one for two.
I was watch it, you know, that's like two or three
and Barry Lindon is not on the list.
A clockwork orange is good.
I say, let me think.
Let me think.
You want top three or top five?
I mean, you just rank all of them.
You didn't do that many.
Okay, I think I think top three is fear and
desire, the shining, and a clocklock or Orange.
I see.
Numberumber four, Number four.
For me it'd be The Shining 2001
Flamentental jacket.
Oh, I love that movie.
Just the top three right there.
And then probably Clockwork Orangeange, Eyes W Shut.
I haven't seen Barry Lon and I never saw Lolita.
Lolita is both from me. like, I like Lolita
for what it talked about at that time because it wasn't even talked
about in that context and it's like showing how like
it is normalized, but like it's still not really normal for the girl.
And it's kind of like more about her perspective, which was interesting.
And I don't see that a lot of people, a lot I think a lot of
times movies then were more about like how this guy like lusted for this young girl.
You know, it's like from his perspective, but this one was more about her perspective.
So it's kind of like, I, I actually appreciated that.
Yeah, these are Stanley Kubrick movies
we're talking about Arnold.
Ah, okay., okay.
That's what I'm talking about Stanley Kubrick here.
This is Ed Wood.
And, yeah, what else, guys?
I mean, I don't know what else to really say about this movie that we haven't really touched on.
I mean, it's funny.
It's kind of irreverent.
It's like, it's weirdly wholesome, you
know, a little bit of noir, elements of noir and like Gothic stuff.
But really, it's about the friendship, you know?
I really I like like a lot of like little
touches that Tim Burton put in.
The way it was shot and edited,
like they used a lot of like washes and they also used
a lot of framing that was similar to films that
were made back in that day.?
You know they would show like the editing, like have a wash
where it like kind of pan over or not even a
pan. like what I don't know what they call that, but it was just kind of it was a wipe where it's like.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the white ch.
Yeah, the white transitions.
A white transition.
And then also, like, it's a very, very little minimal touch.
And you wouldn't know this unless you kind of like had knew the history of LA.
So the neighborhoods, you don't see a lot of trees.
And that's mainly because those homes
are pretty new at that time, like 1940s.
They're still just building that, those neighborhoods around Hollywood.
So forget the oil derricks in the background.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
And so when you'd see those homes today,
there'd be tons of trees, a lot of like greenery
But, you know, they, they hadn't, they, if they
had planted trees, they'd still be really young.
So that I thought that was a really cool touch.
I agree.
I always like when, I guess I'm just biased.
I like movies about movies, and I like movies about movies that take place in LA.
It's the heart of the film industry, obviously, despite what anybody says.
and LA has such character and so much texture
to it that I guess it's kind of been lost.
Now it's like a big concrete jungle, but there's still like pockets and
movies like this, I don't know, it's such a time capsule for that, for that era.
So I didn't even think about that.
That's a great thing that like there wouldn't be houses.
You're right, because post World War II and all that.
But
yeah, great production design, as always, on a Tim Burton movie, right?
And the black and white was was great.
I like the joke.
What was the joke early on where he's like, which dress do you like?
This one or this one?
And he shows it to the guy?
He's like, well, I can't see the color.
I have color colorblind.
Like.
But I like the dark gray one.
Yeah.
It was like a Was that like a meta joke about the fact that the movie is black and white?
Okay.
I so.
It was kind of a wink and a nod.
Winking a nod, yeah, yeah.
I don't remember that that part, but that might be a little insight.
It's early on.
It's early on when the Darkyard
girl is starting, you know, in the movie with him and
she's like, what it doesn't matter.
You?
Definitely.
Definitely.
Okay.
I know, I know.
Ar, you did watch this movie, right?
It took me a little while.
Why not?
But but I finished it.
Nice.
Nice., nice.
Hamb That's really interesting.
Like, since we had this conversation is like, how
things are just so like glossed to over, you know?
And like one thing that stuck out to me is like
his first girlfriend's reaction.
And like, I felt weird about that because like, this is in the 40s, right?
Is this the 40s or the 50s?
I believe it was a, yeah, like post World War II, 40s, early 50s.
Or like in the 40s, like, no, you know, women put up with everything.
Like, she's damn near not going to leave just because like, she doesn't
even want to have to talk about why she left because he wears dresses.
I just felt like
at first I felt like her reaction wasn't
dramatic enough because I was like, oh, she would be more pissed if this was actually that time in history.
But then the fact that she left, I was like, oh, she would never do that.
Like, even if she went off on him in the house, like she would never leave.
Like, that's going to give it all away.
Like, now people are going to find out.
I don't know.
I'm just like
it is true that in that time, things
were just kind of glossed over and laughed off, you know, because it's
like, I don't know, because of societal expectations or something,
like just to keep up the norm norm, like that everything's
okay all the time when it's not, like, definitely is
a characteristic of like that time period.
And it was something that seems prominent like in this film
with all characters and, you know, possibly is like the
like an attribute to like the
guy's addiction and like suicidal tendencies.
Like it's just like, you know, dealing with so much and like not talking about it.
Yeah, I didn't notice that immediately, but I felt like something was kind of off.
I thought like Ed was just like super delusional, but it's like, that was a thing back then.
Like, you really had to be delusional because, like, who cared?
Like, there was nowhere, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Had to keep going.
You had to keep going.
Yeah.
I mean, Ed Wood was definitely, I mean, he was a hustler, right?
Like, that's what he did.
You know, he, he just like, was
just unabashedly himself trying to make movies.
And he didn't care that people didn't like them.
Well, he did care.
Like, he did it to a certain degree.
Like, if you think about it, when he went to go
to Musso and Franks, which is another legendary place
in Hollywood..sa and Frank the Brown.
Der.
Oh, and the Brown Derby.
But when he went to Msa and Franks and he runs into, what's his name?
Vincent Dinofrio plays him.
Oh, Orson Wells.
Orson.
I love that scene.
Yeah
Like, he was downtrodden.
He was kind of like, like, nobody wants me to make a film. and he's like the film the way I want to make it.
Because he just walked out on his film after the the, what is it?
Th religious dudes were like saying like, you can't do this.
It was one of those things where he went there and he kind of like, I'm never going to get this film made.
Nobody believes in like my vision.
And like
and he, but he went and to that
bar runs into, you know, Orson Wells
and he gives him those words of encouragement and he's like, yeah, like, who cares?
Like, despite what anybody else says about it, I have to make the film I want to make.
So he had to quiet down the critics, in a sense
A fun fact I was reading, a not so fun fact that, depending on how you look at it.
But Vincent D'ofrio plays Orson Wells,
which I thought, oh, shit, he looks so much like him.
Like, that was perfect.
Like 10, 10 casting.
But then I read here that
Tim Burton didn't like the way he did the voice,
so he got him redubbed him by a different actor to do the voice.
Orson Wells.
I thought that was interesting.
It's the one hour mark now and that it's time to do the hip shake.
Was it was your chat like trying
to get you out of there until you could talk to them by by by yourself?
Yeah, his goon chat overloaded the Wi-Fi so he lost connection for a couple seconds.
I got to stop doing this kind of stuff for free, man.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Well, that's Ed Wood.
Yeah, let's start with you, Alex.
What are your We'll just do a regular old final thoughts tonight.
What are your final thoughts on Ed Wood?
I don't really have very many final thoughts about it.
This is just like one of my favorite films
of all time, you know, such a classic Tim Burton film.
Like I said, Tim Burton just hitting on all cylinders.
Like I's I kind of feel bad
for him too, because like after this, I think right after this, he does
Mars attacks and I guess that was like critically lauded.
Like nobody liked that film, like our A lot of critics just kind of.
I liked it.
I was dumb.
Yeah, I liked it.
I thought it was fun.
I think it was just more dumb fun than.
What'sing Nicholson says like, I want the American people to
know we only have two of the three branches the government left in.
I
bad.
Like, I love the people...
I like it.
He's like.
They're all doing the circle.
He's like, it's the universal side of the donut.
But yeah, I
think I thought Marax was great, and I think
a lot of people who really get that,
that film as far as like what they were trying to do, enjoy it.
Yeah.
But that being said,
Edwood, for me, four and
a half out of five on Letterbox and you can find me on Daily Dares and all the socials.
And by the way, Ed Wood, or not Ed Wood, Mars Attacks
as a stacked cast is well, man.
Like, Jack Black, Annette Benning, Martin Short
Obviously, Jack Nicholson, Glenn Close, Natalie Portman.
I mean, it goes on and on and on.
Pierce Brosnan.
I think Sarah Jessica Parker is also in that.
I think she's, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Isn't Michael J.
Fox in that?
Michael J.
Fox, isn't it?
Oh, man.
Like just Danny Deino?
I forgot he was in it.
Uh,
Rods Tiger, Tom Jones.
Tom Jones, at the end there, saving the day.
Anyway, love Mars' text.
Arnold.
I'no.
No, we'll come back to you, Arnold.
Amber, what are your final thoughts on Edward?
My final thoughts on Edward.
I love those gothic elements.
Some of the framing composition.
lighting, and just I love a period piece, as you know.
So he did a good job with that.
And that's my final thoughts.
I give it a four out of five
Booyah.
Where can the people find that Denver girl?
You can find that Denver girl on Instagram
X and at your mama's house.
Well, there you have it, folks.
All right.
Now, Arnold, it's that time of the show, my friend.
And we'll get your final thoughts, but tell us, you know what?
Just tell us your final thoughts right now.
So, I like that.
It was, this movie, it was, as
I was thinking about it, I was like, it was a real variety.
You got like the Gothic elements
you got the guy who was a wrestler.
I mean, you have, of course, Ed Wood, who is a director.
George Animal Steel.
I forgot to mention.
He was the rest of He's like such a legend in pro wrestling.
George. was the deep voiced guy.
Tor Johnson.
Tor Johnson.
T Johnson.
Get my toes.
He's all eating the chicken while he's getting a massage.
Yeah, just a whole
variety of people.
I mean, it kind of speaks of just like how it is in LA., LA is a
melting pot of different cultures and different people
and, you know, different walks of life.
It would be in a crossdresser and so
I thought it was it was a pretty good movie.
I like the story of how many failures, but you just kept going
And he he had that smile.
There was like there was a little space in between like.
and and he just
kept going, like positive attitudeitude about it.
Yeah.
Kind of like you.
I thought it was a pretty good movie.
I'd give it a letterboxed three, three out of five.
Ooh..
All right.
Arnold, boy.
Hey, now it's time for your other rating.
It's time for that Time of the show.
It's time for that time of the show.
It's time for that part of the show, Arnold, for the Arnold News Ameer.
All right, Arnold.
So, yeah.
I mean, tell us, Arnold, what is your snooze and meter score?
So, um
I would have to give it a.
1 rating.
Okay, no, no, that's good one seat does
not not correlate to the amount of sleeping that I actually did on me.
So,
I watched it last night, and the
first 35 minutes of the movie, I
got through 35 minutes and then from that point on,
I don't know how many times I rewinded and then
watched again and and like, I
would, from the 35 minute part, I was like, okay, I got to rewind it to there.
Then I would watch it and then I fell asleep and then it would be like at the 50 minute mark.
I'm like, ah, I missed it again.
He, let's try it.
I did that probably about four times.
Four times.
And then I was like, you know what?
And it wasn't because it was boring or anything.
Right, right, right, right.
I was, we were talking earlier
on the side chat about what's going on right now.
Do you chat all the time time?
No, no, no.
No, with you guys, with you guys.
Not the subscribers chat.
That going on right now is the NBA playoffs.
And I watched the game and
then and then I watched
started watching the movie.
And so, you know, after a long day of work, I'd just been tired.
And you know, if
it was for the amount of sleep that I got during
this movie in comparison to other movies where I give a higher zero r rating
like if it was that same amount, it would probably it
would have been like a 3Z. But this was mostly because
of me and maybe some certain parts that just didn't really grab me and
I don't know why why it's like grabbed like that.
It's like that.
Like, yeah, yeah.
It's like more like that.
Yeah.
I don't know why that even.
But that was it.
That was it.
That's enough about me and my Z rating.
Last but not least, we've got you, Miss Adrian,
Mr. BTZ too big.
Well, thank you for that, Arnold.
Appreciate it very much.
I'll meet you what I wrote.
On my letterbox review of Ed Wood, what a charming movie.
Much like the career of Ed Wood, this feels largely forgotten in the Pantheon of Tim Burton movies.
Leave it to to make something so whimsical while still having elements of noir.
The casting is 100.
Vincent'nofrio seen one scene as Orson Wells was peak.
The rest of the cast is amazing too.
Martin Landau Bella Lagosti steals every scene he's in
going on a journey with him and Ed Wood as they make a movie in
their own messy fun way was the highlight for me.
The movie also feels like a love letter to old Hollywood, but
to a different side of it, a much less glamorous side.
There's a sense of nostalgia, I feel, for a time period I wasn't even around for.
Overall, this is one of Tim Burns's most
heartfelt movies. beneath all the weirdness and humor
is a genuinely sincere story about passion, creativity,
and making art, even when the odds are stacked against you.
It's funny, charming, and surprisingly emotional in a way that really stuck with me.
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What was the score?
My score, that is, I'm glad you brought that up,
was four stars set of five.
Four stars out of five on Letterbox.
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Any other final thoughts from the gang.
Hold string.
Wool string.
That was a good one