We dive into Trainspotting and break down its raw depiction of addiction, nihilism, and 90s counterculture. We explore unforgettable scenes, dark humor, and how Ewan McGregor’s Renton captures the chaos of drug culture and the struggle to escape it.
In this episode, we take a deep dive into Trainspotting, the 1990's grunge classic directed by Danny Boyle that redefined indie filmmaking in the 1990s. We explore how the film captures the gritty reality of heroin addiction, toxic friendships, and the nihilistic mindset of a generation rejecting traditional life paths.
We discuss standout performances, especially from Ewan McGregor as Mark Renton, and how his character’s journey reflects the push and pull between self-destruction and personal growth. From the film’s shocking and surreal imagery to its dark comedic moments, we analyze why Trainspotting still feels raw, disturbing, and relevant decades later.
We also break down some of the film’s most iconic scenes, including its use of practical effects and low-budget filmmaking techniques that enhance its realism. We compare its style and impact to films like Requiem for a Dream, highlighting how both movies portray addiction without glamorizing it.
Beyond the surface, we explore deeper themes like dopamine chasing, the cycle of addiction, and the struggle to break away from toxic environments. We reflect on how Trainspotting portrays relapse, personal accountability, and the difficulty of choosing a “normal” life over chaos.
Finally, we talk about the film’s cultural legacy, its influence on indie cinema, and why its bold, unfiltered storytelling still resonates today. Whether you’re revisiting the film or watching it for the first time, this discussion uncovers what makes Trainspotting one of the most unforgettable films of its era.
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And with us tonight, we have two special guests.
Donald is the host of Absolute Mark's podcast.
He's joining us tonight.
Welcome, Donald.
And we also have Matt Struckold of Matt Struck Media.
He is
a lifelong creative and a friend of mine who I met when I worked
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Welcome, Matt.
Happy to have you here tonight as well.
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Las Vegas, there is no place the Never seen It podcast is
not in reporting from the latest and greatest.
But tonight we're talking about an older movie, going back to our roots
kind of a little bit, because lately we've been doing a lot of Oscar stuff.
Now that that's all over.
I can't believe the winner was beep by the time this episode comes out.
We'll talk about it later, though.
We're doing the 1996
Danny Boyle directed movie Trainspotting, starring
Ewan McGreg, Ewan McGregor, McGreg.
Hin addict, Mark Renton stumbles
through bad ideas and sobriety attempts with his unreli,
Sick boy, Bbie, Spud, and Tommy.
He also has an underage girlfriend.
That's not relevant.
Diane along for the ride
After cleaning up and moving from Edinburgh to
London, Mark finds he can't escape the life he left behind, as Begby and Sick boy come a knocking.
So that's the movie, I believe this was Arnold's movie.
Right, Arnold?
You chose straight This is not your movie?
I'm getting a know.
Whose movie was this?
Alex?
Maybe yours.
It was mine, I think.
I think it was mine.
Was it mine or was it yours, Alex?
You know what?
I honestly don't remember.
I think I mentioned it because like
the 30th anniversary is the 30th anniversary.
That's right. 30 years.
There you go in 1996.
Cool.
Well, it doesn't matter.
Let's just say it was all our our movies.
I feel like most of us have seen this.
Actually, quick Ray's hands.
Who has not seen it until they watched it for this show?
Just kind of curiosity.
Chris and Arnold a little bit.
Okay.
Well, let's start with you, Chris.
Return guest host, Chris.
Welcome back to the show.
What are your initial thoughts after having watched Train Spding?
Oh, I have a hot take and I'm really.. am I sorry?
I don't know if I'm sorry.
I didn't think this was a really good movie.
Oops.
Wow.
Oh, I don't know.
That's okay.
I think
I there was lots of good elements.
I'm not saying it's completely bad movie.
But I was
kind of over it, like halfway through, ooh, fire me.
And it's only an hour and a half.
I know you over it halfway through.
I know.
I was like, I kind of get it, but it was very stylistic.
There was enjoyable moments, lots, uh, a lot
more poop than I thought there was going to be in this movie.
Yeah.
What was the moment?
What was the moment where I lost you though?
Like, what was, what scene was it?
Do you remember?
I think, was it the second or third time we went back into meth?
I think it was maybe the fourth time we jumped back into heroin the meth scene.
It's H.
It's heroin.
It was H.
It's an H.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry.
I was going off my method, man.
Yeah.
It was, honestly,
it was just a depressing movie, like in a, in a, like
artistic, great way, and it was very raw and grungy, which is like, obviously the style.
And I just, um, that hasn't been really the style that I like.
So, sorry
Great acting. solid
elements, but I'm sorry.
I'm really trying.
I didn't like it.
I didn't like it.
Oh, it's good.
This is good.
It's good to have discourse, right?
We don't always want to be..
One verse eight.
Yeah.
Well, we'll see, right?
We'll see.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, yeah, that's good to know.
What was, let me ask you this.
Can you, if you had been around old enough in
1996, could you have seen you and McGregor go on to play
ObiWan Kenobi?
a few years later after this?
Let's see it.
Three years old, I think I probably saw the
little glint in his eye and I said, that man's going to do some great things.
As soon as soon as I saw him, jump into that toilet,
I said, this man is going to do Star Wars.
That was the Total Jedi move.
It was force toilet jumping.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like it.
Yeah.
Donald, as our special guest one of two special guests tonight, Train spotting.
You've seen it before.
What does it mean to you?
I saw it actually earlier on kind of near when it came out.
I It's kind of a, for me,
I grew up around not a bunch of junkies, but I've
seen their behavior before.
So it's kind of up my alley.
It was just funny that they put it into like a video, like a movie form.
But
addicts or addicts, whether, you know,
no matter where you go, their mannerisms are still pretty much the same
way and they keep coming back to it for some reason.
Kind of the way he was saying is, I just, I like it.
It's just funny that is kind of up my alley.
So it's just good movie, great cinematic shots at certain points.
Like, uh
uh, the scene when he actually kind
of ODs for a little bit and sinks into the,
like grave kind of like, that shot I just really, really really dug.
But at certain points, like the shots were actually pretty good.
But the story, I can kind of see where he
was saying you're kind of over it after like the third or fourth time, because when
I was writing my notes, I was like, he's going back again for like a fourth time?
Man,
this guy's just a glutton pretty much.
But I liked it.
I thought it was pretty good.
Having been around junkies, as you said, do any
of them complain about capitalism in the current state of affairs in real life too?
Or is that just
in this movie?
I was about around a bunch of methheads.
So, yeah, you hear a bunch of rambleling talk about politics,
about people in general, about the government.
You hear a bunch of ramblings about like crazy men, of crazy men.
Conspiracies
Yeah.
Yeah, well, some of those meth heads now hold office, so let's be careful what you say to me, guys.
A lot of failed podcastcasters on the current.
Oh, you know, so that may not bode well for us, but we'll see.
Uh, Matt, I'll go to you next train spotting.
Tell us about what you've seen this before.
What does it mean to you?
Yeah, I've seen it a couple times, but I realized before
I hopped on that I haven't seen it recently.
And I remember in high school watching it and really enjoying it.
And then later on.
And I think what I like about it is how methodical the drug use is.
And when I first saw it in high school, I didn't drink, do drugs anything
Then I took it upon myself to have a
career as an alcoholic, which not a lot of upward mobility.
I just celebrated nine years of sobriety, and life
is so much easier when you're not drunk all the time.
But it like captures this debauchery
and this messiness and
this like, yeah, methodical knowing of I'm
just going to have to be sick and you accept it and you end up like
surrounding yourself with kind of other crazy people.
So I think for that, it does a good job.
And it just shows that people's like judgment is completely off.
And then the judgment within the group is off
And then, yeah, I captured this like nihilistic late
90s, screw everything.
What's the point of growing up and getting a a job, you know?
And now I'm on LinkedIn too much.
So did I betray my 90s self?
I don't know.
I feel like we have come back on a full circle
and that's sort of mentality of nihilism given the
current state of the world.
What do you think about that, Matt?
Like, do you think we're sort of in a recursive loop in that sense?
Or am I overthinking that?
I could see that.
I could see that people are really feeling like there's not really anywhere to go or access to things
But I also think that there's this weird twist of,
there's not really like anti-ellout culture the way there was in the 90s.
Like I meet so many people that are like, oh man, we're
going to monetize this podcast immediately.
And it's like people are trying to sell out quick.
They're trying to get down with Casper mattresses now.
And whatever pays the bill.
Right?
So like, yeah, I don't know.
Like in some ways, we've lost some of that, like DIY
anti- mainstream, but because now there's so many different channels
that there's not really a mainstream anymore.
There's all these subcultures and like fragments of interests.
yeah, yeah.
Casper, if you're watching him, hit us up.
We'll also settle for HelloFresh.
Just saying, just press up.
No, but yeah, I can, I can, I look, thank you for the perspective, by the way.
I think that's great.
Yeah, Ewan McGregor's character, I mean, yeah, he he's a bit of a fuck up, to say the least.
who who would you say, and I'll put in this out to the room.
Who is the most relatable character to you?
And Arnold, I want to start with you on this question.
Who would you say you related to the most, if any, at all, Yu when you watched Train Sping?
Yuwan.
Okay.
What was his name in the movie?
His name was Brenton. wasn't it?
Josh?
Brent, Renton.
Renton.
Just Josh and.
That's the U.S. version
Josh.
That's the guy in your private chat, which, by the way, HLP
says he finally has access to your private chat on.
I know shout out to HLP for the subscription.
I know I marked it down 69%
for about four minutes and 20 seconds.
Yeah.
For the next 67 days.
Hold on, Hold on.
You're charging HLP?
That's messed up, dude.
Yeah Come on.
No, no.
With it's 69% off, it's way cheaper.
It'sing.
You owe him now?
No, I guarantee you, he'll get a lot of value out of that chat.
Okay.
What was I saying?
But you said Renton.
You relate to Renton the most Arno.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So, I was just thinking about it as we were talking about this right now.
The first time I ever seen it, I only saw like,
what, the first 10 minutes, the part where he, you know,
starts fishing around around in the toilet bowl and
the worst toilet in Scotland.
Oh my gosh.
And I remember Alex, you were watching it.
I think it was with Christina.
And I think even with with you, Donald, I'm not sure, but I remember, I was like,
this was like before I..
Now what Donald are you talking about?
Oh, I don't know., have to clarify that' Don's.
Guz are in our orbit.
Oh, yeah, maybe.
I initially, Christina actually, Donald's wife introduced
me to the movie, so we watched it while we were in high school.
I was a kid.
I was a kid back then.
And, you know, it kind of traumatized
me a little bit because I was like, what the hell is this movie about?
And
I don't remember anything after that because I was I was just kind of like over it..
And that was that was pre-dugs in my life.
And so this was the first time watching it.
Post-dugs.
I don't I don't that.
I don't do drugs anymore, by the way.
You're high on life.
Yes.
Yes.
They do me.
How has it been recontextualized for you now in this stage in your life?
So, like, I get how he was like, you know, like, oh yeah, this is one more hit.
Like, just like the junky like lifestyle, just
the way that you would think, like, you
brought up Donald..
Man, how am I going to differentiate the two?
Donald?
Okay, I'm going to call.
Donald and Donald Donnie, my cousin
Donald, and Donald El hijo de Kwang.
No, your cousin.
The homie.
Okay.
Well,
you brought the part. where it's like he practically died.
I mean, I don't know if I actually did, but there was
times where I felt like I was doing that.
And I was like, yeah, man, I need something to chill out my heart.
Okay, what, maybe some beer?
I don't know.
Maybe a bong rip.
But then, you know, but it was mixed with like other stuff.
And you know, stuff like that.
And then, and then when he wants to get his life back together and
get better and do better.
And he's like, oh, I'm going to have a
like you just want to change his life.
You see him going to work.
But then he gets brought down by the, by the people that he was around.
He relapses, yeah.
And yeah, relapse and
yeah, so I I relayed a lot to that.
Gotcha.
No, that's that's good to hear, you know.
Justin, what did you want to say?
Arnold, I have a question for you for like
being in that experience and environment..
Would you ever consider yourself in that moment in time, like a junkie?
Would you, would you like be in those deplorable
situations where you were in like, like
places like that where it was just absolutely disgusting?
Would you dig for some shit in a shitter?
I wouldn't go that far.
And but then I get, I mean, there's been times where.
Where's your line?
Where was your line back then?
I remember being like in the hood hood and I don't have to go like, I don't know.
Should I go into..
You don't have to name names.
You don't have to.
No names, but then like, what I don't snitch healer.
Using a light bulb?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Approach this from the emotion.ional aspect.
What kind of feelings did you go through in that?
I'm serious.
Like, what kind of feelings did you actually experience in that time of your life?
I guess, you know, uh, uh, Matt, you brought up the nihilistic
andhilistic, uh, It just made me think of,
it was a movie that we did several months
ago where that was that
sort of thought was brought up and that that's kind of how it was in the 90s
where it was like this screw it.
Doom generation.
Doom generation.
Oh, yes, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that whole, during that era, there was a lot of that.
And I kind of felt that was was just like, you know, I didn't really think of so much about like the future.
I didn't think about like, you know, it was it was just kind of like, fuck it.
And yeah, let's get faded.
Let's get high.
Thanks for providing that insight
insight.
There't Arnold.
Donnie, let's go to Unich.
Donnie host of the show, Donnie.
What are your initial thoughts after having watched?
Train's Bonnie?
Well, so when I first watched it, I mean, I was really attracted
to the movie because it felt relatable to me, right?
I was younger, I was in high school.
I kind of watched it during the time where I felt like
I was rebellious, experimental, maybe not to that point,
but definitely experimenting with things in my life and
kind of had that nihilistic attitude as well, trying to be rebellious and, you know, go against the grain.
So it spoke to me in those ways.
And then now watching it or revisiting it as an adult from a different perspective,
you see it, I mean, I see it completely different, right?
There's like, there's meaning behind this film.
It wasn't just a movie about drugs and people, you know, being addicted.
There's so much more to it.
So it was it's actually refreshing to come and revisit
it and still enjoying it, actually enjoying it more now that I'm an adult.
Did you ever have a group of toxic friends growing up, sort of like Brenton does?
Yeah, 100%.
I would, I think I would relate most to Brenton,
actually, because there's been numerous times in my life where I
had nothing but toxic friends, right?
And you got to really learn to break away from that.
Like
for me personally, I've broken away from two groups that I can
think of off the top of my head where I really had to like separate
myself and realize that I'm not in that place anymore, even though they were still in the
same place that I was in with them when we were younger.
You know, that comes with maturity and growing.
And that's really, I think, what this story is about in
a nutshell, it's more of like a coming of age story.
Definitely.
Alex, so I think both of us love the 90s, especially that era of filmmaking.
Doom Generation.
We've also done Groove.
Is this one of your top 90s movies, Alex?
Or It's one of my top all-time movies.
Tell us why.
I think it has a lot to do with.
I think you had mentioned this earlier in like one
of our chats on our Discord, but you said how raw is.
It's you don't see films made
like this anymore, you know, where like they kind of
like are kind of in your face, kind
of gritty, you know, they don't pull any punches.
It's hard to find stuff that like really discusses things in the way that
they don't shy away from the subject matter.
It's like, you know, they, they, they, a lot of like a
lot of times like films like that would be similar to
this kind of pull their punches and they,
they don't really show the full impact of like, I I think the,
the last movie that had been something like this
was repiem for a Dream and that was like crazier
to me than than train spotting.
And I think spotting
as far as like drug culture and like the the how far people will go
was like a beginning in the 90s, at least.
But for me, that one.
And then I also really like the aesthetic.
The aesthetic of the film, it reminded me of like
old 90s music videos.
You know, I feel like a lot of that has gone away.
You know, the
the experimental side of things.
I mean, you do see some people doing stuff, but
they do things not so much out of
trying to carry the story, but more to like kind of just, whoa, that that's crazy.
Like like I love Tim and Eric.
I love like, that style, that, that sort of like, you know, style.
That thigh.
Not even that lo-fi, but just kind of like
um, how would you classifyify
that they're kind of random, you
know, and that's, that's, I love that, like randomness, but it's
it's different it's way different than like like how what seems like very random.
Like like Donald had mentioned the the
scene where he like ODs and then he's sinking into a cart, the cartpet.
That was like very artfully done because it's like supposed to show like
symbolize the, how low he got in that point.
And then also, like the whole overexaggeration
of Renton going into the toilet.
That is like very, like how far people in,
like who are addicts will go, you know, the desperation
just, he's trying to get off drugs, but he's at the same time, he's like, he
understands that he needs that last hit of heroin, you know,
and they's suppositories, you know, like that fell out of his ass
into a toilet.
And like, it's funny, like, I think about it now.
That used to be the worst toilet scene I've ever seen until Mystery Team with Donald Glover.
That was really gross.
But yeah, that, like, to me, that's, like,
there's so many different reasons why I love this film.
Like, they, like, again, they don't really pull punches.
They just go for it in this film.
I agree.
I like that they don't glorify movies like this in Requiem for a Dream
don't glorify drug use or addiction.
If anything, it does the exact opposite of that.
You know, fuck Dare.
They should have had these movies playing in school.
Donnie, you had some thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, Alex was talking a lot about this, the
setting in the time frame, and I just, I thought it was a
pretty cool approach that Danny Boyle and John Hodges took
because this is an adaptation of a novel that was actually based in the 80s, in the late 80s, right?
And so they decided to modernize it for
cinema and make it make it 90s.
And they were really capitalizing on the
youth culture during that time, right?
This is the same time
where London became what it is today.
Like everybody loves it for its culture, the fashion sense
they have the music, like this is around the same time that Oasis
became popular and Spice Girls hit the scene.
And so like they really capitalized on that.
And they did that.
They filmed this in
in like seven months.
And so they were like in the middle of that and they made the decision to
really, you know, aim at it towards that audience.
And I think they did, they made an amazing choice by doing that because it
would have been a completely different film, and I don't think it would have translated as well as
the novel, if it stuck to the novel's actual time frame, the 80s.
Interesting.
I did not know that.
Matt, you had some thoughts.
Oh, yeah.
I think this film has my favorite baby crawling
on a ceiling scene out of all of the filmmakers, you know?
It's like, yeah, Spielberg can do it, you know?
Scorsese.
They all have their own takes on a baby crawling on a ceiling.
Yeah.
But in reality, I don't know if I've actually ever seen a
baby crawling on a ceiling on another world.
Yeah, taking enough stuff.
You know what I mean?
Like, you got to be on some stuff to see that.
And, yeah, like, such an interesting approach because it was
like practical, you know, like you could even see kind
of the cracks in the ceiling as they were like pulling the effect
And just that low budget kind of aspect that made it feel more raw.
Because when I think about Requiem of a Dream, even that was like actually pretty
big budget considering like the scope and style.
But yeah, there was something about theie
approach to it that even like served the story, which I thought was fascinating.
Nice, nice.
Alex
jump to you next and then Donald.
Yeah, I was just going to mention HLP says, Enter
the Void is a pretty fucked up movie too.
Plus I've never heard of that one.
Oh, that one's great.
I'll have to add that to my...
Is that from the 90s as well?
No, that was later.
And Enter the Void, I feel like, is the closest to a psychedelic experience I've seen on screen
personally, if people have seen it.
It Oh, it's like a foreign film.
Interesting.
Oh, it's already on my watch list.
Nice.
Hold on.
The fire department wants wants to say something.
Okay, there it can.
Donald, you wanted to say something.
Yeah, I just wanted just rewat when I re-watched it.
I didn't know that the baby was sick boys.
I really found that out during this rewatch, and it kind of blew my mind.
I just thought that was pretty crazy.
Sorry.
Well, I'm glad you bring that up, because I wanted to ask you.
I love that.
That's my favorite sequence from the whole movie, by the way.
That entire sequence where Brenton is seeing the baby and then he's seen all flashes of other people and shit.
What's the most fucked up sequence from this movie for you, Donald?
For me
To me, the most fucked up one was when
he kind of let Spud just go to jail.
I thought that was that was supposed to be his boy, right?
Like, and they're supposed to be like cool with each other.
And then all of a sudden he's like, you know what?
You got this.
And then he lets him sit in there and doesn't visit him, doesn't do any of that stuff.
I just thought that was pretty jacked.
But as far as, like, grossness was the suppository scene?
Because I've actually been to strip clubs that are pretty much that dirty of a bathroom.
So I was like, that's something I would never do, but I have some friends that probably would do that.
Why do strip clubs, places like that always have the worst bathrooms?
Like, what is it about that venue?
I'm thinking is that no one wants to go in there, because
like they have no janitors, so they're saying, you know what?
Just do whatever you want in there.
And they always have the black and white checkered linoleum floor.
Have you noticed that?
Always in black and white.
That and I always noticed that like three of the
stalls or two of the stalls all have the door off for some reason.
I've heard that the reason why there's gaps in bathroom stalls
is so that people can peek in on someone to see to see if they're shooting up, by the way, speaking of heroin.
Is that Has anyone else heard that theory?
I could really see that. because I've done
substances off the backs in the Twilight sub there before.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure that they'll check.
Donnie, I think you had a question.
You were you were talking about the scenes that was most disturbing.
And like, initially, it was like the toilet scene for me and then just like visually seeing them shoot up.
But then you get to that baby scene and you're like, oh, for me because I have a kid right?
And it's like, I made it through it, but it was it was kind of rough.
Yeah.
I'm glad you bring that up because now I'm wondering, obviously neglect,
but what specifically killed the baby?
Was it like just lack of food and lack of whatever?
I don't think it's a care of it.
I have a theory on that one real quick.
Okay, so if you watch the beginning of
the movie, there's a couple of scenes. like you see the baby rolling, right?
And then also Eli McGregor's character, he like rolls around.
But if you look at their floor, their floor is covered in just bullshit in like glass
I'm sure there's syringe needles everywhere.
And what's to say that that baby didn't roll and then rolled
over a few syringes and poked itself?
I never thought about that.
And then they didn't catch it.
They didn't notice it because maybe the syringe fell out or
they, you know, they just put the baby to bed and then the baby just fucking overdosed and died.
Because you could also see the baby
has like a little bit of like white kind of like vomit
almost on their mouth as well.
So I think something along the line, they were alluding
to the baby, probably overdosing.
Let me ask you this, Justin.
What do you think the baby crawling on the ceiling represents?
Oh, you know,
It's kind of hard to see
the representation of that because it's so janky looking.
I mean, I give them
the credit for, you know, managing to do something like that.
But I think maybe it was, and this is just
off the top of my head in the moment, but
I think it's he sees himself
probably realizing that life
is precious type of thing.
And he sees himself in the baby,
which is what sparks him to even want to change to begin with.
Maybe maybe witnessing the baby death really change things.
Because he even says, I forget who he was talking about.
I forget which character.
I think it was Sick Boy that he was talking about.
But he's like, after that day, like, everything
changed and he was never the same again, you know, and I feel like that's,
I feel like he's more or less also alluding
that like he himself changed, but didn't want to admit that as the narrator.
Right.
Chris, you wanted to say something?
Yeah, I think it's
I think that's a great take.
I think why I think that
scene is so interesting is because they don't
straight up tell you how he's
processing all of it and how it affects him.
You just visually see him going through it.
Right.
And I think at least my interpretation of that
is a lot of times when you're going through life and
you have like these really difficult moments and you're not talking to someone about it,
you'll have like these deep rooted feelings that sometimes you hit like a speed bump on, right?
And so you don't necessarily address it.
It just kind of like gets added to the add of those like really tough feelings.
And so we quite literally see this moment where everything's unraveling for him.
And so it's kind of like opening up Pandora's box as
far as like all the things that he hasn't addressed, right?
Everything from the innocence of a baby or just
seeing a baby in the apartment and like just being like, oh, it's okay that
this is this environment is totally okay for a baby to be in.
And then you go through all like, how he views his friends.
I say friends loosely.
But his crew and
the different representations and those feelings that he doesn't necessarily
communicate in the movie, but clearly we,
the audience, see it, and he clearly is going through it.
And it's kind of like not process.
It's just like a really raw, literally a throw
up in this room of all these things he hasn't addressed or like these really heavy
very difficult topics to address.
So I just thought it was a really interesting scene.
I like that.
That's an interesting take on that.
Matt, you wanted to say something?
Yeah, I really enjoyed Spud's interview
Oh, it's a 30 minute mark, so don't be distracted by..
Arnold has to do with hipshaking. doctor a prescription, so go ahead, okay.
I totally understood.
We respect it.
Yeah, the scene where
Spud's doing the interview and he's like completely all over the place.
I really enjoy that because I think part of it is
that these, you know, addicts have to live in regular society
and that's where the comedy is.
And that's where the truth is, is that they're not part
of this like secret world.
They're in this like world that mixes
in with the regular world and has to like interact
And he's just like totally all over the place.
And it reminds me of when I was kind of in my addiction
and just getting this look of confusion from people of like, what is wrong with you?
And you think you're making sense.
You think you're showing up.
You think you're being affable and funny
but the look on people's faces is like, oh my God, something's wrong with this man.
And in that scene, it's really captured with Spud.
So appreciate that scene.
What's it called when you're not addicted to anything, but you're still a fuck up?
Is there a German word for that?
Because I feel like the Germans have a word for everything?
They probably do
Yeah.
We'll have to have our research department look into that.
What's that scene reminds me of?
It reminds me of my dad a little bit because you
can kind of tell as far as my dad
is concerned, you can kind of tell when he has been on speed or he's
been doing speed is because he acts just
like that, just like Spud acted in that interview.
And it was all really quick
and you can tell that he's like trying
to think of a million things all at once to say to you.
And he tries to deliver it to you all at once.
And it's like, oh my God, like you're so intense for me.
Like, chill the fuck out, but um, yeah, my, my dad was an addict and he definitely
uh, and I could see that being like a really, real thing
that they tapped into there because I've experienced that with my own father.
It's crazy.
Is that called being in a manic state?
Is that just called being manic?
I don't know if that just pertains to like mental health issues or
not, but is that similar, along the same lines, you think, Justin?
I don't want to assume, but I will.
So, probably.
Probably.
Yeah, you don't want to assume because doing that makes the ass out of you and me.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaking of ass, Arnold, have you seen it?
Ass to ass.
Requiem for a Dream.
I was just going to say that.
I have.
Have you seen it?
I have, you know it.
I don't remember it.
So.
You don't remember ass to ass?
I've actually only seen that scene.
I don't know what that says about me, but.
uh, it's a great movie, regardless.
It did come up as as a suggested, uh, when I was searching train spotting.
Um, yeah, I had to watch that again.
It's been about 25 years or so.
Back when Jared Leto was, you know, locked in as
an actor, not a fucking weirdo.
You know what I mean?
He made one good movie.
No, don't forget't forget Lord of War with Nick Cage.
He was the brother
And he was great in Dallas Byers Club.
Did you see him in Dallas Buyers Club?
I know Matthew McConaughey.
American.
I'm saying Sean Connery because the guy's addicted to the Bond movies in this.
The one guy, I forget his name.
Sick one.
Yeah, he loves the James Bond movies.
HLP in the chat says, to answer
my question about not being addicted, but being a fuck up klutz.
I like that.
That's a good one to HLP.
HLP always coming in with the assists, and he was saying earlier, I got to read his comment.
What do you say?
If you're in the bathroom at a strip club, you're not spending money at the club.
That's a good point.
all right.
Yeah, let's let's move on to the next thing.
Arnold, I feel like I haven't heard from you in a while.
What was the funniest moment in this movie?
Because there's a lot of funny, this isn't just a straight drama, drug crime.
It's a bit of a caper as well, but it's also a comedy in some ways..
Comedy of errors, especially.
What was your favorite comedic mom?
I know you got to have the favorite comedic mom in Arnold.
It's kind of gross also, but the part where
the shit and the sheets and how they flung it at the family.
I was eating dinner at that time.
I was actually eating dinner from the start.
Take the picture.
What were you eating?
Chili.
This is important stuff.
I think I was eating ice cream.
Matt.
Ice cream, yeah.
Rocky Road?
No, I think I think this one was Mint and Chip.
Yeah, Mint Chip.
Yeah.
Mint chimp, man.
Well, at least your breast smelled nice after.
I did a lot of like, you know, like, oh, man man, but then kind of like peeking.
I't, that's how's how I get.
Congr.
Even with the shooting
up, man, that was like, oh, gosh.
I don't know.
I don't like it.
Arnold, when you're watching movies, what's your setup like?
Do you watch it on your living room TV?
Do you watch it on your phone, on your laptop?
What's your setup like?
This one, I had to watch on my phone because
for whatever reason, I was struggling, I couldn't, I couldn't, wouldn't cast it the TV
And so I was just, I like, okay, I'll set it up right here while I eat.
And, and do you watch with Carla or just mostly by yourself?
Oh, this was just by myself.
These are the burning questions I have to ask.
Come on.
I'm always picturing what your day to day is like.
I know that she would not want to watch it.
So I let her do her her crafting, you know, making some Mickey Mouse cards or, I don't know, whatever
she does, but I mean, I know what she does,
but I'm not sure what kind of card she was making at that time.
Gotcha.
Gotcha.
Some sort of craft..
You want a real life hack?
listening to movies.
No visual, just audio while driving.
It's awesome.
You only get like half the meaning.
Yeah.
I was doing that today because I was like in a hurry to get through it again.
And I was like, I want to go get something to eat.
So I literally had it playing through my car speakers and I'm driving
and I'm listening to, and I kind of get what's going on, but you're right there, though,
because like moviesies are a visual medium.
But like, I noticed with this movie, it's very also sound forward too.
Like the sound design is great.
Like you're like, I'm watching Trainspotting the podcast.
Have you ever tried watching a movie with the sound off while driving?
It's very intense.
That's called the Mercy of movie watching.
One of the people in my private chat, they're
saying, how about watching a pee movie
wild driving?
And then, you know, you just, but then they had the really loud,
I don't know, the commute's about two minutes.
Arnold's, his private chat is actually his delusion.
What?
No, no, no, no.
It's's a real chat., right, Arnold?
Subscription.
It better be, real.
I'm paying 10 bucks a month for it.
It's his alternate identity or his split personalities.
What?
No.
Arno, what's your stupid?
hero name if you had one?
Butt man.
Actually, what's your your stripper name is the last
you lived on plus your first dog's name?
Chupperosa Sydney?
The street you lived on, the street you grew up on, plus your first dog's name.
Amen.
Now, people know, they're going to start looking us up and figure out.
Get doxed..
They're going to build the case against Jeff.
Mine would be Rocky Monte Vista.
Whoa.
Rocky Monte.
That's a great
It's good, right?
It also sounds like a pretty good ice cream or something.
Yeah.
Ice cream.
Mine would be Lowoso, so it's got like
a lot of a lot of Mexican Chicano in there, you know?
Get back to my roots.
I thought it was a yodeling thing...
That's the white side of me.
So it's kind of that
that mixture, that 50-50 blend.
Nice, nice.
All right, guys.
Any other thoughts before we start to wrap her up here?
Christy, do you have anything?
I feel like I go to you because you say it lost to you.
What did you think of the ending, though?
Because he does go through a character arc.
In the beginning, he's bitching about, you know, like people want to have the white picket fence and
the bank account and the this and then that.
And he's like talking shit.
And then in the end, it's the exact opposite.
I mean, did what did you think about that arc that he went through?
I mean, it was an interesting arc because I mean, you you see him
achieve that, right?
In the middle of it when he is doing the whole..
But what do you think it's trying to say, though?
Is he saying it's either a yuppie lifestyle or be a junkie.
Is that how you, that's how I interpret it?
How's say you?
I think he's completely off his rocker on both ends.
Because, I mean, he
he at no point does he execute either
lifestyle well, whether it be sober or not
sober, whether he's being loyal or not loyal.
Like the most loyal thing he did
was leave Spud some money, and I don't even know how they
figured out how he got like a safety deposit box
with cash in the.
I love that shot, though, with the through It is a good shot.
Yeah.
He's deplorable throughout the whole thing.
Just various forms.
Donnie, you had some thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, for me, I felt like Renton was good..
Like, he got away from it, right?
In the in the middle there.
But then his friends fucking came back to him and like, he didn't he didn't want that.
They just came back.
But when you were talking about the meeting, when he was in the very beginning when
he's talking about life and all that stuff, it's
I think he was I think that's part of the whole nihilistic attitude, right?
Like he's trying to say he doesn't want to be like a part of that because he's rebelling, right?
So he's he's trying to justify what he does as a
drug addict, as as a rebel in a sense.
But then in the end, he comes full circle and then he's
he that's really that's really what he really the ultimate goal for him in the end, right?
Like he wants that now.
Like that's his choice.
That's why he runs away with the money.
But in the very beginning when he's talking about it and he's trashing
it, I think he's just trying to justify his lifestyle and what
he's what he's currently into at that time.
I read this book called Pimp, which surprisingly is about a guy who is a pimp.
And in the end of the book, he gives it all up.
He's like, you know what?
Fuck all that.
I'll take the white picket fence.
I'll take the house in the suburbs.
I'll take the stable nine to five office job because that pimp life, that ain't for me anymore.
It's bullshit, you know?
And I kind of felt that way with Renton.
Like he realized that in the end.
He's like, nah, fuck all that.
I'll go be a boring adult.
Alex, you got something?
No, I was just going to agree with with Donald, but like also add on to it.
Like it's kind of bookended
you know, with the same speech, right?
Like, like the whole justification of him continuing
to be a drug addict and anything like that is like, he's like, why would I
want that when I have heroin that can, like just be everything for me?
But then he realizes that at the very end,
you know, he's like, this is what I want.
I'm going to go for like the white picket fence, you know, the house, you know, like that.
Because
you know, it's while it's like kind of the ordinary
life or the quote unquote, ordinary life, it's the life
that like kind of symbolizes like moving
on from these like sort of childish things, you know,
these, these things that kind of tie you down to, like being
a drug addict, you know, like these things that,
you know, you make excuses
as addicts.
I don't really have that, you
know, experience, per se, but but
I have like addictions that have that were
like kind of destructive, you know, like, you know, spending habits, you know, those are those are
I, they' addictions in a different way, you know?
Right.
You know, and they, they
kind of like, uh, they
satiate this sort of desire to like
that.
What's the chemical. dopamine, you know?
They chasing the dopamine sort of aspect.
And it's like you buy that thing and it's like, oh, cool, I have it.
But then you're, you're like, well, now it's it's not like
once you have it, like you're just trying to chase another thing.
It's like empty again.
You got to fill that hole again.
A big gaping a hole.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
I wanted to leave dead air for Arnold because he said that.
No, I just realized what I said, and it could have been taken the wrong way.
And it did.
It got taken the wrong way.
It did.
It went wrong.
So don't worry, you got it.
You made it happen, Arnold.
I. I'm not physically.
Metaphorically.
Well, we're talking about train spototting.
We're talking about drug abuse.
I'm curious, like, is there a movie out there that's like,
because prescription drugs are famously abused in this country as well.
Has there ever been a movie in about the abuse of prescription drugs?
It's like, I feel like there has to be something out there.
Drugstore cowboy.
Drugstore cow.
Gus Van Sant.
It's really good.
Also, if I'm not mistaken like late 90s
but it's, I forget
his name, but they basically rob pharmacies and
similar, just this like debaucherous crew who are all kind of like fighting each other.
And, and yeah, I think like even in the chat, there's a question about like the underage girl
and it's about, yeah, it's like, it's, there's
inappropriate behavior all around and there's no thinking.
And I think that's what this like film gets at, which is like
that very like animal state of just survival
and no planning and just thinking for the next thing and like
waking up and being like, oh, she's going to high school and just surprises
in a chaotic, unplanned life.
Yeah, it's kind of like that whole thing where like, you
know, he's trying to get out of that and he's just, like, is
not thinking straight and he's, you know, just chasing after,
like, replacing addictions, right?
You know, he's, he's chasingasing after a way to get like dopamine rush, you know?
So like the idea of
you know, hooking up with a girl, again, this, it's just kind
of chasing that sort of rush of like, something
that, you know, heroin probably brought him, you know?
And, uh, it's, it's, it's all like, that's what they say.
You know, a lot of addicts will trade addictions.
Squirrel trying to get their nut.
You guys ever see that episode of The Simpsons where
Moe goes in, oh, no, Barney gets
over his beer, alcohol addiction, and then the episode ends with
him at a park drinking coffee and he goes and buys another coffee from
Moe, who's now opened a coffee cart and I's like, you ain't getting away from me.
You ain't getting away from me.
So good.
I love that episode.
What's that movie with Johnny Depp where he's like a drug dealer, like a drug trafficker?
And I think Penelopez isn't it?
What was that called?
Oh, yeah..
It was a great movie..
Some of the best movies I like are remable.
I love the movie.
er.
You know what another good 90s drug movie was?
is a film called Permanent Midnight.
It sounds vaguely familiar.
Ben Stiller.
Ben Stiller.
Stiller of all people.
Yeah, it's loosely based on the story of the guy who
created Alf, or like was a writer for Alf.
Oh, what?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like you had to have been on drugs to come up with the idea for Alpha.
Oh, absolutely.
And that, it's basically like a autobiograp.
I don't want to say autob, like a biographical story loosely based on that guy.
It's It's a great film.
It's, I don't want to say it's like one of the best..
I would recommend watching it.
It's a good watch, but like it kind of shows the same thing
of like the struggles of an addict, you know?
Like him trying to like, I
don't know, clean up, but then like Matt mentioned, he
gets kind of stuck in the circle of like meeting bad people
and being keeping, keeping that same company around, you know, and
they're just never, they don't let you get out of it until you choose to leave.
Right.
I think one of the scariest things about addiction for me from what I've
read is that you can't just go cold turkey on certain drugs, like heroin, I think, right?
Because it could literally kill you.
That's nuts.
Well, you like I go with all that.
That sucks.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Like,
No, no, no.
I'm I'm bringing it up it up because I just find that fascinating that
like just to withdrawal, yeah, like if you don't do it right, you could literally fucking die.
Right.
Your body like spasms.
Like It feels like your whole body is like in pain.
Like you like It's really bad.
And so for them, it's like to get away from that.
They're looking for that hit to get in.
That's a hard.
I know something to me
Yeah, yeah.
The methadone's supposed to kind of replicate that, but.
It's in a controlled substance, right?
And Donald, sorry, do you wanted to say something earlier, I believe?
What is saying that, I think Rinton's kind of a crappy friend.
Didn't he technically kill Tommy?
Like, by giving him, like giving him his first dose, and then after that,
just coming back and being like, oh, hey, bud, you want some more?
Well, I think he was trying to be a good friend, though.
Like, like case he was, he was listening to Tommy.
He was like, oh, I could find out on my own, and I'm an adult, you know?
And like, you know, he's he's in the, when he's
asking him, he was in the throes of a of a
vict a heroin high, you know?
And then he kind of caused it by picking the tape.
And then like, I mean, how would he know that it was going to go that far, though?
That's the thing, you know?
That's the unfortunate side.
Drug addict
Drug addicts like steal.
You know what I mean?
They'll
get like steal stuff to get money or It's of the whole.
I' done it to me.
Yeah.
And so like, so, you know, it's you
can't really, we could chase so many lines to certain things and blame it on people.
At the end of the day, it was Tommy's choice
to do to start taking drugs...'s your name?
Sorry.
The after
after Don loses her baby, he fixures her another fix
just to like, he's the pain, I guess.
I thought that was so funny.
She's like, oh, that is terrible.
Give me a hit.
I need a hit.
Here's the crazy thing thing.
The crazy thing.
Addict will do that.
Like, I remember, like this girl that I used to work with, uh, we used to hang out all the time.
I'm not going to like, say any names, but like, uh, I
was over at her house with like a a bunch of other friends and she got a phone call.
Like it was like really bad news.
But she was like in a really bad alcoholic and like,
she got a phone call and immediately her, her instinct
was to just get more alcohol.
She's just like, I need to drinking.
Like she was like, open up the vodka bottoms.
I was like, I was like, damn, dude, that's that's like, like true addiction.
That's like really like how you respond to like traumatic instances.
And it's like, I I, as a friend, I was like, I don't know what to do.
I'm just like seeing all this, seeing this happen in real, in real life.
And I'm like, how do I like, because you can't.
You can't, you can't
tell them what to do.
They have to hit rock bottom.
The more you tell them, the more they're going to want to do it probably.
It's that weird psychological effect.
Christian, you want to hear something?
I heard a quote just to add on about how like addicts are not afraid of dying.
They're actually afraid of living
and things that are really challenging and feelings
and hard conversations and the difficulties of life are
actually what they' run away from.
Yeah, that was one thing too.
Like I remember I had to like, there was a moment where I
had to break off our friendship and she like just turned on me.
Like she kind of just like made me like look like a bad person.
And I was just like, what the, like, I'm just trying to like, I cut off her friendship
and, you know, she, at every
moment she tried to make me like, like kind of,
she would like show up in places and be like, oh, look at me.
I'm with like other new people.
I don't have to be hanging out with you.
But at the same time, she like wanted to
desperately still hang out with me as a friend.
And I was just like, like, you're not dealing with
this and I can't be the person that like,
enables you anymore.
I can't be driving you to bars and be like,
taking you, like, like have drinks.
You know, I can't be that person, you know, like, when you're drunk,
it's been, there was so many nights where I'd like have to carry her out of my car.
There was like a moment when there's this one time like I carried out her car
and like she threw up over my shoulder
and onto the sidewalk right in front of her house.
I'm like, this is this is getting ridiculous.
Wow.
Chris and then Donnie after you wanted to say something, Chris?
Yeah, I just kind of like tying back like as far as like being a good good friend or not
uh, bringing it back to Tommy's death.
I think that's what I kind of struggle
with as far as the story arc of the movie is they're's
like this romanticized version of the movie that I just personally don't have
Like, I've struggled with addiction.
I'm sober as well.
And so, while very different, right?
I think that the core principle
that I struggle with with this movie is
like talk about our main character.
Was he a good friend or not?
And I think it comes down to like intentionality versus actual reality, right?
You can intend to do your best as
a friend, whether it be like a drug addict situation or just in general
But if those intentions and those
actions lead to someone's death because you're
pushing the, you didn't stab them, but you handed the knife, right?
That doesn't make me a good friend because I was helping you during a tough time, right?
That still a good friend, right,
would take the knife away or not participate in that, right?
But he was so broken himself.
They didn't he didn't have the tools or resources to do it.
He was still, he was trying to save himself.
So he may be well intentioned, but like he wasn't good
And throughout the whole movie, it's
kind of sad because, you just see him struggling so much with, what do I want?
How do I get it?
Whether it be the lifestyle or whether it be the drugs?
Right?
I want to live a good intention life.
I want to be a better person.
I want to X, Y, and Z, right?
But he keeps tripping over himself.
And that's the tough thing with addiction.
That's a tough thing with that life.estyle is that you're
not surrounded by people that are trying to help you, right?
I think even with Sick Boy
he was like, I'm going to get clean just to spite you.
And then they immediately jump right back into that lifestyle.
So like, was he a good friend or was he just like showboating the fact that he can get clean?
Right?
He wasn't, it doesn't matter what his intentions were
matters about the actions of the movie.
And I think that's kind of the tough thing that I struggle with the main character.
I just never found him to be the hero of the movie.
I found him to be, unfortunately, the victim of
the drug addiction.
And we, yes, we in the movie with
him running off with the bag and all that kind of stuff.
And you, you're left to assume.
But like, who's to say that if we played the movie 15 minutes
later, he's not just immediately back in that lifestyle, right?
And I guess that's the point, right?
Of like, you, you can think whatever you want
They showed an hour and a half of that trajectory.
Sadly, that's typically the trajectory a lot of people live and
it doesn't end with a nice clean title screen, right?
And a bunch of money in a bag.
Not usually.
It's funny that you mentioned that because like I thought
of that too. because I I immediatelyately thought,
like this entire time I just thought of my dad because I see the similarities of what my dad has done
with these characters, what they have done and everything.
And it's funny
because my dad always built
empty promises for everybody, his own parents,
his me, and my brother, his ex-wife, his girlfriend.
Whoever he was
in life with, he was never
like fully honest or dedicated to wanting
to get sober.
So he would always be like, oh, you know, I'm going to church now.
So, God's going to help me.
But God couldn't help him quick enough.
So he went back where family was going to help him.
Friends were going to, like, he went for help, but didn't really want it.
It was more of like
uh, like you said, it was like a showboat thing, like, oh, look at
me, I'm getting better for this moment in time.
I hope you're proud of me.
And it was just, it's like a validation thing.
Um, you know, and
like, not to share too much personal
information, but the, the craziest thing is, um,
when my dad passed away, it was in an accident,
um, running from the police of all things.
And, uh, you know, I had the unfortunate, uh thing of
having to, you know, claim his body and everything.
My grandparents were the ones keeping an eye
on his like toxicology report.
And when we got it back, the craziest thing is like
for the first time in his life, uh, even
through like the police chase and leading up to his death
that whole last portion of his life, he was sober.
And that was the craziest part of it all.
So like, I see what you what you're talking about.
You know, when you're trying to, you know,
showboat your, your wellness, I guess.
It's, it's a sticky
it's a sticky situation.
It's a slippery slope, and you you shouldn't be
doing it for other people's approval.
You should be doing it for yourself.
And I think they tried to portray that in this movie,
but I can see what Chris is talking about and
it just being like not a very
you know, realistic way of doing it, I guess.
Oh, well, thank you for sharing that.
I I hope this movie wasn't too triggering for anybody, by the way way.
I feel like, you know, hearing all these stories and I feel almost kind of bad.
Like, am I have we triggered something in some way from haven't
watched this, but still a great insight.
So I appreciate that, Justin
Yeah, I appreciate the openness too.
And yeah, it's refreshing.
So thank you, everyone for being that open.
Yeah, absolutely.
Donnie, I feel like you had something to say at some point.
Sorry about this.
Yeah, I was I was going to go back to the whole Tommy thing.
My take on it when I was watching it, it was just like, I took it in completely differently.
Like he went to go visit his friend Sober, right, for the first time in a long time time.
Instead of congratulating him and being happy for him, Tommy's like, do you have any drugs?
You know what I mean?
Renton is like a Renton's a person who's he's a victim of his environment, right?
Like he grew up, his mom's an addict.
The way that he is, the way that he processes everything, it's the way he is because that's the way he grew up.
That's the only thing he knew.
That's the only environment that he was around.
And so the whole time, I think he realizes
throughout the movie that these people that he considers is so-called friends aren't really his friends.
They're people that are there that are holding him back, that are toxic
You have Begby, who's super unpredictable.
He's not even on drugs.
He doesn't he doesn't do heroin.
He drinks and he loves violence and he just like gets crazy.
He's unpredictable, right?
He likes sick boys.
Sick boy is that friend that like, he not sick boy, I'm sorry, Spud, where he can do no wrong, right?
So, and that's why in the he kind of gives him that money.
Sick boy, he says that he never trusts him in the very beginning, right?
He said, if I don't do this, sick boy would have done it if he thought of it first, right?
So he doesn't even, he doesn't really trust these people.
And it's for him, it's just like, he wants to get away.
And so I completely understand where everybody's coming from, but when I watched the
movie and I saw it, I got from it that like, you know, he is
he does have good intentions and yeah, he's a shit person,
you know, or he can be as seen as a shit person, but that's that's how he grew up and that's the environment that he came from.
And then when you compare it to how the book is
actually written, there was a lot of artistic choices that went in from the
director where he specifically put that life scene in the beginning of the movie.
You know how it starts off and his talking about about life?
In the book, that's not there.
That's in the middle of the of the story
The book in comparison to the in the film is more
for multiple narrations, right?
You get to learn about each character, a lot more in each of the chapters.
And they put that life scene in the middle.
It was in the middle, but he decided to put it in the beginning and
then again, put it in the end kind of like Alex's point
to kind of bookend that story and be more cohesive and tell a
more telling tale in cinema.
And so knowing that, if I didn't know that, I probably maybe I wouldn't
see it this way, but knowing that as well, I think that
that was the intention of the director.
And what what does he do at the end when he takes the money?
We don't know, right?
But in my head, it's like, or when I watched it for the first time, I felt happy for him.
That's how like, I was like, yeah, he did it.
Like he he's.
He got away.
Like, you know, even though he screwed his friends or his so-called friends, but
I know that I was like rooting for him at that point.
So it's kind of, just a different take from what everybody, some other people saw, but that's just how I took it.
No, that's great.
Thank you for providing that.
I had I had no idea before tonight that it was based on a book, by the way.
So I' might have to add
that to my to my to read pile.
Well, that's the movie.
That's, I keep wanting to say Train Dreams, God damn it.
Oh, Alex.
Sorry.
Train story.
I had like something to add on to that.
So, like, to add on to what Donald has said,
there's, this whole conversation kind of reminds me of this lyric from this band, why.
It's a song called a Sot in the Seed.
And there's a song's there's a lyric that goes, good and evils
often neither strength or flaw, but so in the of what you are.
So in a sense, like, this is that this
kind of, that, those lyrics kind of encapsulate what the struggle that Renton is going through.
We are
both good and evil.
We have these struggles, and this whole time, through the
whole movie, he's struggling within himself to like find a better path.
But like it's it's this internal struggle that, you know, you're fighting against.
You know, you have these addictions, but you want to get out of that because he's constantly like trying to get out of it.
He's like, how many times does he try to like quit drugs?
Right?
So it's just this, like, how do you find the way out?
And sometimes you have to do bad things to
people that are less favorable to get out of the, like what Donald said.
Like, it's, he, he's, I was rooting for him because
he was like, he knew all these people other than Spud, what
were bad people, you know, and in order for him to get away,
like, even, even, um, Diane, the underage girl, he had to leave.
Like, he, she knew he had to leave, and she even said, like, encouraged him to leave.
You know, you need to go out and see the bigger world, right?
And so, but like, she even, even her kind of like
blackmailed her him to like continue dating her, right?
He's like, if you don't see me again, I'm going to, I'm going to tell the cops.
And he's like, what can I do?
I' I have to keep seeing her, you know?
And she even finds him after he's clean.
And like after she gets after he gets tested for AID because like,
remember, this is a big part of the movie too.
It doesn't like get spoken about is they're
going through an epidemic, the AIDS epidemic.
There's a lot of the big topics in this whole, one of the big like underlying topics is
the AIDS HIV epidemic.
And he even talks about it.
Like that's why Diane asks, are you clean?
He's like, not just like off of drugs, but are you HI, like negative.
And even like when he goes to goes to see Tommy in
that, and when he's like, you know, he's finally clean again
Tommy's not asking if
he's for drugs at all.
He's like, are you clean as in, are you negative?
Are you?
Because all their friends have like, you know, probably like had gotten tested, you know?
They're all worried.
And he's like, and he even says something too.
Like when Tommy says like, I I could tell there's something inside me.
Tommy's saying that.
He's like, it's, it's, it's in me.
I got it in me.
And he's talking about
like some sort of sexually transmitted disease or like from like a needle or whatever.
And, you know, like that's all the whole thing.
It's like he's seeing these things and like he sees Tommy gives
him the money for drugs because he has, he
sees himself into Tommy and the struggle that he had to go through.
Like
like, for me, I, when I, like people
are asking for money, like, like, on the side of the road.
Like, if I have money, I will, like, probably give them a little.
And I don't care what they're going to use it on.
Because, like, whether they use it for drugs or
food, they still need, like, if you're an addict, you still need drugs like, like heroin addict.
If they don't have it, they're going to die.
If they come down off of like heroin, they could like go through these
you know, addiction throws and it's just, they could kill them.
It could kill them, you know?
So, like, how I, who am I to judge if
he goes and buys drugs with my money?
You know, I, like that if that buys him another
day to live, then I'll do what I think I have to do.
If it's if he's looking, actually going to use it for food, great.
That's great too.
But that's beyond my control.
And like
you know, it's, maybe
I'm being a bad person by giving him money for drugs.
But that's not me not on anybody else the judge, but me, you know?
So, again, you know,
good or evil is neither a strength or flaw.
Let's sign this ev of what you are.
I completely forgot about the whole HIV subplot.
I remember that that sequence where they're defining it or they're singing about it on TV or something?
Well, there's even like on, like outside of their
apartment, it says, like plague or it said something about A on the front door.
Tom's apartment.
Yeah.
So it's maybe or have AIDS.
Probably.
That probably that whole group, because they all like shared needles at like Mother of the Superiors.
They got a point that they said that Tommy had it.
That's why they were graffiti all that on his apartment.
Yeah.
He died from something else, though.
He died from getting that infection.
Toxoplasmosis.
Definitely
Yeah, yeah.
I thought that was a thing you get from cats.
It is.
It is.
Because remember, he bought that kitten to
give to his ex-girlfriend and like the cat just shit everywhere.
Oh, yeah.
And obviously because he he probably had HIV, so
he had a compromise immune system
and like having a cat shit all over the place and like him breathing in all that..
He probably ate it.
He probably, yeah's probably tell you stored it.
Absolutely.
Or maybe even like he got into like one of his needles.
Are cat O aware of this?
Should be putting it on an alert toxic
I wonder who the actor was.
Yeah.
I was thinking of a funny scene because somebody asked that earlier,
and I just thought of one that I really liked, and it was the part where he comes home
after he moves to London and then his friend sold his television.
He's like, you sold my telly?
Like, like, I thought that was hilarious.
Like he just, he came back and he's like, I needed the money.
And that was my..
Yeah, yeah.
I highly recommend you guys watch The Wire.
It's about the drug trade so much else.
It's one of my favorite shows of all time.
I's a great.
You guys haven't seen her already.
Highly, highly recommended.
Wire.
Okay.
One of my favorite lines is from The Wire where he says, you
follow drugs, you get drug users and drug dealers, but you follow the money
and you don't know where the fuck it's going to take you.
It's such a fucking good line.
What's your favorite name?
What's your favorite line from Cops?
From Cops?
I' sell crack.
I'm a prostitute.
The episode of Cops where My dad beat up a police officer.
Whoa.
Wait, is that real?
Are you serious?
You know my I am real.
I am being very serious.
Your dad was on cops.
Because my, well, you just in-la dropped tonight, guys.
It's funny.
So my uncle is a cop.
And he has an episode where he's being followed
by, you know, the camera crew for the episode of cops.
It was just one episode and my dad was on
an episode himself where he got into a fight with cops.
And it just was all back in like 80s, 90s.
Yeah.
You know I'm?
Is that on YouTube anywhere?
Can you find that?
I'm telling you, I've been looking my entire life and I have not found it.
That's your white whale.
Either of those episodes.
So I have two people on cops.
One cop, one, not cop.
Arnold and Donald, I think this is my
favorite line from one of the episodes.
It's a local cops show.
But I think you guys would this like, I'm serious, the thought you said a thigh.
It's a toe.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah
Who was that?
I remember that.
His name was Edgar.
Edgar.
There's this kid he basically was like.
Always an Edgar.
Yeah.
He had moved here from the from the Philippines.
And so he thought he made it big and like he was just getting under everyone's
skin and he's toting around with a fake toy gun.
And it was on an episode of Cops in Palm Springs and they fucking got him.'s.
And they they pulled him over right and he like they saw a
gun and they' like, well, it's officer, it's boy.
It's a boy.
I feel like there's so many scenes where they're chasing someone and they go, why were you running?
And the criminal says, because you were chasing me.
And it feels like one of those like Zen coons, you know, like a tree.
If it falls in the wood, does it make a noise?
It's like, why were you chasing me?
Because you, why were you running?
Because you were chasing me.
That's what I would do.
Like when we were kids, like whenever we would see cops, we would just run.
We weren't really, well, maybe we were up to
no good, but like, yeah, we just always ran.
And it was it was a thrill.
The thrill like Forrest Gump.
Yeah.
Hopping fenceences.
hopping fences.
But then you get caught the time that you're trying to hop a fence and it has
tack board on it and you get a stab on your hands.
And then then they catch you.
He needs to write a book book about your life.
I honestly think, I think it could sell.
Self-publish it on Amazon, buy sell cup copies.
Maybe once I get a
a new job, or if that were to retire me, then maybe.
Well, there you go.
I don't want to take that risk, though.
I have a question.
I spawning, fellas.
I think we did it.
I think it's time for final thoughts.
Let's go around the room, give our final thoughts. before.ll find you.
And Chris, I will start with you.
Wait, Matt has a question.
Oh, Matt has a question.
Did anyone else think there would be more trains?
That's my complaint, not enough train..
They didn't.
It was on the wallpaper. wallpaper.
Min at 50, I was like, you got to give me some real trains, guys.
You?
Oh, that's.
On that fact, it's It's a drug slang.
Chainspotting is drug slang in Edinburgh in the 1980s
for used by addicts for shooting up in derelict locations.
Oh, I'm Interesting.
Interesting.
Okay.
There's so many layers.
That's crazy.
There's probably a metaphor, too, for the whole story, right?
Because when you're train spotting, that's an actual hobby out there.
You're not.
It's like weird.
You're just like looking at train numbers on the engine numbers.
You're just wasting time and it's like pointless.
And that's kind of like what you're doing when you're fucking high.
You're wasting time and it's pointless.
You're like looking for something.
You're waiting for
Yeah.
The time is like literally passing you by without you doing anything productive.
Yeah, there's a guy on TikTok who's famous for being a train enthusiast.
He's not a drug addict, though.
He's just autistic, but I love his account..
I love that guy.
Yeah, he's great.
You know who's a guy?
You know who also is a train enthusiast?
David Levaart.
Oh,'s that?
Yeah
Oh, from Tim and Eric Universese.
Yeah..
Our old good friend, Justin and
I are our old good friend, David Leberhart.
You know a lot of people.
All right, cool.
Well, final thoughts.
Let's Let's get to it, Chris.
Where can people find you?
Oh, can you see it?
Oh, that's the effect.
There.
Oh, I can see it a little.
It's fucking blue.
We'll We'll have our intern interns edit to the show notes.
That's awesome.
Good stuff.
But go ahead, Chris.
You're on mute.
Hey, guys, you can find me at Milkman America anywhere in everywhere.
But this
was a tough movie for me to figure out how I would rate it.
Because I think if you put this up against any
of the best pitchers that we just watched of this year, it's just in a different category.
So I don't think it's a fair fight to necessarily put it up
against like these high production movies
I think that if you have, it's a very stylistic movie.
So if you like that style, they don't really make movies like that to a lot of your guys' points.
And so when you don't have this like dying
art form as far as like having this like really gritty, grungy
style, I mean, this is what you got.
And so I think that there's something, obviously nostalgic about it.
There's something, everything from like if you actually watch
the movie or if you watch a lot of those movies during that time, it scratches that itch.
Like there's just something very real about watching the movie.
It's a very lived in experience.
There's no flashiness, even even like the practical
and special effects of the movie are
over the top, right?
It's kind of janky in some spots.
But I, again, that plays to the style.
It's an entertaining film.
It's just like not my taste.
That's not something that I'm looking for.
So like to like depict, was the lighting good?
Was the directing good?
Was the acting good, blah, blah, blah.
I don't think that's fair because it was almost like a hyper-realistic
documentary that like embellished on the life, but gave you
some really interesting snapshots into how the,
how crazy that lifestyle is.
And it's if you haven't been a part of that lifestyle or
you've brushed upon it, but not really delved into it, there's
a lot that I think you can sort of like say that
you've experienced by just watching the movie, like to see someone quite
literally trying to get their drugs out of the dirtiest toilet they've ever seen to
what people are willing to do in that environment with their so-called friends.
And the struggles of getting clean and not getting clean
people around you, people dying.
It's a very just intense movie.
And it's the impact of it is really felt.
For me, I would rate it like
a dive, and that's being generous.
I do feel
uh, for the message of the movie,
uh, having gone through a lot of those experiences,
uh, whether it be near the lifestyle or actually going through
my own sobriety and failing and getting back
and luckily being sober now for
seven years, that's not to say that at any point, right, my
movie keeps going and then I fall off, right.
But it's about the journey.
It's not a destination.
2.5, it was entertaining.
It's not my style, but I can see if you like the style.
You know what?
They knock it out of the park.
that's what I think.
Well said, Chris.
I warn you right now, you might get some comments of love on YouTube from this, but that's okay.
Absolutely.
I think so.
Send my way.
Donnie, let's go to you next.
What are your final thoughts?
Oh, man, I like this film.
I didn't know.
Obviously, it was early in his career, so this is Danny Boyle,
but he also does he also did movies like Slum Dog Millionaire, 28 Days Later, The Beach.
Jumps.
These are films.
Yeah, Steve Jobs, 127 Hours or something like that.
The one where I get.
Oh, yeah, that was good.
Yeah, those were all good.
And then when when I start looking at thinking about those films
in this one, it's like, I really do appreciate his choice,
his direction, his choice with camera work and
like the quick rapid scene cuts and like the jittery movement.
I feel like it really plays into the character and like it really brings
life into that into what he's trying to capture throughout the movie.
And so for me, this was kind of like my thing.
Like I like I like these grungy stylistic type of movies.
And
it's a four out of of five for me.
This is one of my top films that I've that I, that I own.
Actually, I just I just can't find the copy right now, but I know it's somewhere in there.
I was going to buy another one because I was like, where the fuck is it?
But anyways, you can find me on underscore Donnie Appleseed, pretty much on all the social medias.
If you want to check on my photography, it's 125 photography, all one word, also on Instagram.
And yeah, did I miss anything?
I think that's it, right?
I't think so.
It also did the 28 movies, which I've not seen the zombie the 20 Days Later movies.
I haven't seen any of those.
Those are good movies.
Those are good movies.
The Beach with Leo DiCaprio?
I forgot about that.
Leonardo DiCaprio.
And Sunshine..
The marijuanane movie.
Love that movie.
And Steve Js, Steve Jobs.
I mean, you guys know I'm a big Aaron Sorkin fans.
Yeah, Danny Boyle's great.
Justin, I'll go to you next.
What are your final thoughts on Trainspotting?
Yeah, so this is this was a really good, fun film for me to watch.
I have seen it before.
It was good to kind of get a refresher because I completely
forgot about like the babys scene and the poop bomb at the dinner table.
But other than that, like this
movie has a little bit of a mix of everything,
comedy, some seriousness, and
you know, real truths and
reality to, you know, a
window or a peep through the curtain inside like what addiction is all about.
And I would say for the most part, this movie is
pretty accurate on that, just based on
my experience alone.
I've never been an addict.
Well, okay.
I'm addicted to video games and movies.
That's what I'm addicted in food.
Yeah, so I'm addicted to a bunch of stuff.
Not the worst addiction.
But
Being a child of somebody that
was an addict, it's an interesting,
it's an interesting in life, especially when you're trying to develop
a relationship with your parent and they don't really want
anything to do with you other than like, maybe
see you once in a while because he has to because of court
reasons or, you know, it's, it's an interesting
kind of lifestyle, from my perspective.
I think pesides that,
besides getting all, you know, emotional about that side of things
as far as train spotting goes, I
think I personally love the nitty grittiness
of filmmaking.
I Honestly, until Donnie said it, I didn't
know that Denny Boyle did 28 Days Later.
And I don't know why.
I never, I guess I never really like put two and two together when I was watching Train Spotting.
But Adrian, I do highly recommend it.
If you don't like zombie movies, I highly recommend you watching 28 Days Later.
I'm sure you, as
a film person yourself, you would appreciate the film.
You're trying to watch that movie for 20 years for almost 28 years?
Because that movie just came out too.
Anyway, I think
Ewan McGregor is an excellent actor in no matter what he does.
I think all the other actors are pretty great too,
but Ewan McGregor definitely was like, I'm putting my heart and soul into this.
And I really appreciated that he
dug deep.
I don't know how much like methodod acting, if he does
method acting, that he did to prepare for this role.
I think he really sold it as somebody who's just in this clusterfuck of a world
trying to live day by day, get his next fix.
I think he portrayed that perfectly.
Also, when it comes to
so I do like the style, but I
would say that the lighting, the lighting in some of the scenes would seem
a little bit flat and off to me.
Almost to the point where I'm like, okay,
this is obviously like a set piece.
Like, I don't know.
I guess I, from the rest of the movie, there's like a scene
that involves like a red window and I know that was kind of more
or less like this hallucinatedory dream type of thing going on.
Uh, I just really felt like it pulled away from
me focusing on what was happening in that scene.
I was like, oh, that's a really red window.
Uh, that's shining and red onto this scene.
So there, there were some stylistic choices that I wasn't particularly a fan of.
But other than that, the, you know, it was, it was a very enjoyable movie
I would say there
wasn't a moment in time where I was left with like, okay, let's let's wrap this up.
It felt like every, every single minute of the movie had
filled space that made sense.
It was very, very cohesive and I was able to digest what was happening
relatively easily while still getting
the bigger picture of, you know, their world building.
Other than that, great film.
I think it has some good rewatchability,
maybe like a couple more times, I'll probably dip into it.
It has great rewatchability.
If you if you're not into like like
addiction films, such as like Requiem for a
Dream or Trainspotting or, I would say
even like, maybe even a Cure for wellness or whatever.
This probably this movie, these movies probably aren't for you,
but if you're into Danny Boyle's style
and you're into like those really like crazy,
like, oh man, this is a little bit too real for me type of movies.
then this is actually a great movie.
And I don't mean to keep bringing up like Requiem for a Dream as if this is it's like some like
plateau movie because I know, I just can't think of it right now.
Requiem for a Dream is a very good movie, but I
feel like I feel like there's other movies out there, including
Train Spot and that deserve...
Maybe, maybe fear and loathing. mention blow or.
I only say that.
Yeah, blows are really good.
That one actually made me cry.
Even Bluefows has its elements of abuse.
Yeah.
We love abuse.
No, it's joking.
No.
Anyway, I'll just say
good film.
I'll give it a solid.. man, I feel like I'm doing it on the spot, by the way.
I feel like I'm going to give this movie a three and a half out of five.
Strong, three and a half.
Yes.
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And if you want to follow me personally, it's Shibbs a Zombie.
Nice.
Thank you.
So yeah.
Thank you.
Appreciate it
Bye.
Donnie, you wanted to say something?
I just forgot to mention this like the greediness of this film.
It was shot on 35 mil and then they used color enhance inst to kind of boost up the coloring.
So I don't know if that was because, I mean, I'm
sure it was like a choice that the director made intentionally, right, to get that look.
And then one more thing I forgot to mention earlier when I saw King was Mikey
Forrest, Forrester or Forrest, the character, the drug dealer, the guy who gives him the dispot stories.
That's actually the writer of the book.
His name is Irvin Welch.
Oh, nice.
Interesting.
Cool.
Thank you for sharingaring that.
Um
Alex, go to you next.
What are your final thoughts on Train spotting?
This scratches the itch of, uh, my 90s,
um, my love for 90s cinema.
Uh, like very heavily.
It, uh, plays in 90s cinema is very, very
latent with like the music, the prime
heydayday of music video creativity.
And you could often see it bouncing back
and forth with their visuals.
You know, you often see like in music videos,
they do these like, they often do these like really
wild, like takes on.
If you watch like a Bjork video, you know, like the way that they
they shoot certain things or, or even like, like say
something like Radiohead's, no alarms, that
they have that one, there's this one music video with with Tom York.
He's in this like huge glass bubble and it's like
like he's, they're playing the song and he's like kind of lip syncing, but the
water is rising slowly above his head.
And it's just like this really, you know, it's like a
metaphor for like the whole song of those low alarms,
no surprises, but he's like drowning in this like sort of,
you listen to the lyrics and like what, what the song's meaning is.
It's like, uh, he's like, he should be alarmed.
You know, the water is rising above his head.
Same thing with like the visuals and this film, you know, like
like diving into a toilet bowl to retrieve some suppositories.
The, the, when
he's going through the throes of like withdrawal, all the
things that he's seeing, you know, like the baby and the,
you know, Spud sitting on top of the
the cabinet with the change on his legs.
You know, he's like, and he's like rattling back and forth and it's kind
of, you know, mirroring certain real life sounds that are going through his head.
and the intensity of like like, like, you know, of what he's going through.
I just love that.
It's just so visually pleasing, but at the same time, it's
also like, like, I think what Donald was saying with like, he was shot
at 35 mill and then they color graded it.
They kind of
like kind of showcase that era of,
um of of Europe of
like Scotland and like they have, um, it
kind of like like makes it feel even more gritty, like the grayness of it.
I know like it feels like Justin was mentioning how
it kind of felt muted a
little bit, but I think that's what he was going for.
I think that was like the tone of the film.
And I think that that plays into the starkness
of that like, you know, that drug addiction
like the chase for, you know, something to feel, you know?
And then if you notice like at the very end and he's walking away,
he like that's when it starts to feel brighter.
And it's like so so much so it's like kind of like almost like
the light starts like flashing and then then it's the end of the film
You know, that's the, like, probably the brightest part of the film.
It's Yeah, there's a lot of like, like, like cool like symbolism in it.
It's not very heavy the symbolism in it, but it's very like, very
just kind of artfully done.
Like the acting is really, all the
casting is really, really done well.
I think that each, each
actor portrayed their role very, very well.
Like Begby, like that guy in Robert Carlisle, he's
kind of a legend in, um, like British acting.
Uh, He's, he's so, he's such a good character actor.
I think they've they tried to make him like the main
guy in a lot of things, but he was like, I don't think he's he's like, like
cut out for being the main guy, but I do
feel like he's such a very good, main character, like character actor.
Same thing with the guy who plays Sick Boy.
I think they tried to make him like the main character guy, but like,
he's just he's also just a really good character act.
And like everybody in there
huge crush on Diane.
She was like, like, you know, the bob haircut, the short, you know.
What can I say?
The 15-year-old?
No, I'm just kidding.
She's 19, actually.
She's 19 in a movie., of course..
Like in real life, in real life.
I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't have like cast a real 15-year old.
I'm just fucking with you, bro.
Just think of the climate we.
Just of the climate.
That's all I'm going to say.
Exactly.
It's not Godfather.
Remember Remember how how, how I set us up?
Yeah, yeah, yep.
Holy. what?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Overall, I really love this film.
One of my top favorites of all time, I
give it a five, and you can find me at Daily D. And all of a sudden she awesome.
Just in time for the second.
That calls for the thirdld I' something about the hip.
Stretch.
While you guys are doing that, Donald, let's get to you, my friend.
What are your final thoughts on train spotting?
My thoughts, I just loved how
everybody else was saying just how gritty it was
I also loved the hip thrust by Arnold now.
You won't find out this Kyle Ayers' show.
I'm just saying.
I also love just for me, it's just some of the shots.
Like I I said, it's the baby shot.
I love the grave yard shot.
I love the actual, one of the other shots I kind
of appreciate is when they were in the countryside and it kind of broke up
all the like grittiness and like the street shots.
So I kind of like broke it up a little bit.
And
I just appreciate, like, it kind of gives me a
feeling like I like, like how Justin,
you know, my dad was an addict a little bit too.
So, I mean, I grew up a lot around a lot of these kind of type of characters.
Like, I knew a guy that was similar to Sick Boy.
I knew a guy that was similar to Bixby, you know, just always liked to fight.
You know, like, I have a couple of friends that were similar to that, but,
you know, and so it's gives me a sense of, like, you know, this is my type of people.
I just think it's funny that like, uh, that and I
grew up in some of those weird, ugly ass apartments with like a
hole and I didn't grow up in it, but I mean, like, I've been
to some of my friends and I've lived in some slums that were similar to that
And next door neighbors were probably like tweakers or heroin addicts like that.
But, I mean, all in all, I give it probably a heavy floor.
I dug it when I first watched it in high
school and then still to this day, great rewatchability, still
is gritty and like grimy as I remember it.
You know, I'm always a good movie, you could watch.
Nice.
And if you want to Do you want to plug your show really quick?
Go ahead.
Yeah.
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And if you want to listen to our podcast, Absute Marks podcast
podcast anywhere you guys can find podcasts.
Hell yeah.
Thank you, Don't.
Matt, let's go to you next.
What are your final thoughts on Trainspotting?
Yeah, I think what's remarkable
is it's been so long since I've seen it and yet I
could recall the scenes that stuck out to me.
So I think that that says a lot for a film that's
has a lot of impact and is memorable.
And then, yeah, as someone in recovery and in sobriety, I see behaviors that
definitely ring true.
And then by also growing up in around addiction
and around alcohol and drug abuse that, yeah,
there's a lot of grittiness, a lot of rawness that feels accurate.
And, yeah, it seemed to have captured something and it did such a good
job of having multiple layers addiction,
kind of punk rock, 90s nihilism,
HIV, and all of that kind of bundled together.
So I'm going to go 3.85.
and, yeah, it's, I think it's great.
And also, you know, I love that at that point in time,
you know, they were making, that had a budget of $ 3.1 million,
which is close to like six million in like today's money.
But like, you know, they don't make as many of
those small movies like they used to instead, the industry now wants
to just do six big ones for $100 million instead of a bunch of little scattered small ones
I do have faith that like, there'll be like a
film like resurgence on like social media that will like
be in that same vein of IFC and independent kind of films.
But it hasn't quite happened yet, how I'm predicting,
which I hope how it like eventually will come out of seeing
series come out just on these platforms.
So yeah, overall, I think it's great and I'm really glad that
I was here to talk about it with all you guys.
And where can people find you?
Oh, yeah.
At struck Media on most platforms.
I love your videos, by the way.
You do these like sort of day and the-l log style
stuff, and you pick like a topic a theme and you expand on that really beautifully.
It' So I just got to say, like, keep doing that.
You know, man.
I appreciate that.
I love it.
Appreciate it.
We appreciate you having you on as well.
Arnold.
It's that time of the show, my friend.
Final thoughts and you know what comes after that?
Go ahead.
Yeah, I'll have to check out your videos.
Matt.
I look forward, I got to remember to follow you.
So, well, final thoughts.
So
Why are we all laughing already?
He hasn't said anything.
All right, go ahead.
I'm I'm trying to be a good boy here.
So...
Final, let's see.
Final thoughts.
TH-O-U-G-H.
Yeah.
Yeah.
TS.
So, um,
yeah.
I thought it was, I thought it was very entertaining.
I mean, I kind of, for whatever reason, I'm drawn to that sort of style.
I talked about it before many episodes.
Well, what episode is this going to be once we drop this?
69.
We're past 69, right?
Yeah.
This will be 82.
Oh. 82 like Kobe.
Oh, wait, no, 81.
Never mind.
Oh.
Oh, yeah.
We're on 81.
A special dropping guest appear. ladies and gentlemen.
That Denver girl.
A.K..
Did she drop in when I dropped the number 69?
No, I don't know.
Okay, yeah.
Sorry, I'm forgetting where I'm going with this.
Oh, yeah.
So I grew up, like, not
even in this sort of lifestyle, you know?
Very family oriented.
My parents protected us or protected me.
It was very much like in a bubble, but and so I think that's what the big
surprise was and most
of all to them, that where I ended up and just how I
I don't think they knew exactly what,
but they just knew that I was really into it.
And, but
once once you do get into that world and
then you start doing that stuff, just how
it can really consume you and take over you and you'll
do things to get it.
I will have to say, I never
I never did things sexually, for stuff stuff.
That's what people are asking on the private chat.
You know, have you ever done this
for stuff?
You know, I never had.
No one assumed that idea, I think.
Oh, that's Well, that's.
I mean, that chat is wild, okay?
Yeah, you know what?
You need to start inviting us to that chat for real this time.
Hey, HLP, can you confirm that?
HL's are inside man.
Wait, wait, wait.
Oh, oh, no, no, oh.
So, okay.
But you never did anything sexual.
Right, right.
I was drugs.
Oh, um Yeah, so just a lot of the
relatability to rent in the shot of,
I didn't remember seeing the, the baby, how the baby died at first.
Like, I mean, when I first watched it way back in the day, I didn't remember any of that.
And so when I was watching that again while I was eating, I'm like,
oh my gosh.
It was like, sometimes it was it was
a little much for me, especially, you know, just because, you
know, I have family and, you know, and
it's it's it's hard hard to see, hard to think of that type of stuff.
And so
and I remember even times,
when I was doing drugs and I'm like, dude, the baby's right there, man.
We want to like open the window at least or something, you know?
But, yeah, so it just made me think of allow that stuff.
and the ending and actually when
they're like selling that that bag of H,
it was heroin that they were selling, right?
That he got a few racks.
And then he stole it out of Bigsby's.
Was it Bigsby?
Bigsby is Tyrone Bixsby from..
That was the Black KKK guy.
It was Begby?
Bixsby?
Begby.
I don't know.
Begby.
Beg.
Let's go with Begby.
Sure.
Bigby was a..
Tyrone B..
Yeah, he steals.
Now, Tyrone's the guy from the hood version of Fantastic Four.
He, steals a version of Train spotting.
The Hooder version of Train.
Yeah.
I wonder, there's got to be one out there like that.
That would be interesting to see
But, yeah, how
they get all that money and I
just, when we were talking about this, I was like, what did he do with that money?
And then the thought of that old skit from Dave
Chappelle, I know sometimes we don't mention his name.
Some people don't want me to.
how the Tyrone Bigomes, they're like with
a crack rock, and then they're like, that'll be enough to keep us high for hours.
He has this big humongous pile of crack.
Right, right, right.
But you know, I do want to think that he did good with
his life after that, you know, totally escaped.
but overall, yeah, I thought it was a good movie.
I will probably watch it again because I'll tell you a little bit more in the next segment.
Ah.
But this, what do you rate it?
Tell us what you're By my letterbox rating, I'll give it a solid three.
Solid three with some pretty
high rewatchability, especially since they get now got it for free.
Shout out to somebody.
All right.
Thank you for that.
Oh, where could people find you by the way really quick?
I'm at Arnie Calo everywhere.
You find me at Arnie Colgo.
Well, we've arrived.
We've arrived with my favorite part of the show.
I don't know about the rest of you guys.
My favorite part of the show
is the Arnolds Newsometer.
High production value, Matt and Donald, as you can tell on that.
That's great.
I'm impressed.
I can't get over it every.
This is like the second time it's happened to me.
play it again. play it again.
There are some..
I give it a half
Z because I'd admit
a strong, a heavy half.
Half Z.
Why?
So, uh, okay, I did fall asleep.
I fell asleep, uh, the first time watching it, but I was I
was watching it while I was laying down on my side on my phone.
And I was about three quarters of the way through.
And
and probably about maybe
about 40% through, I started to get like started doze off and then I just fully committed.
And I was like, I'm going to sleep now.
And then then my wife walks in and she's like, so you finished the movie?
I was like, yeah,
It's done now.
But then she didn't know that I had to rewatch it the next night.
And so yeah.
But so maybe falling asleep like that much did
maybe a higher Z rating, but, but I
was I was just tired.
I was tired.
It wasn't because I was bored or anything.
It's because I was tired.
That's fair.
Yeah, that's fair.
Well, thanks for that, Arnold.
Hey, thank you, Mr. BWOTZ, too big.
You're welcome.
I feel like there was a couple of times where you missed
a little part where you could have plugged your
other podcast, the book podcast.
Oh, yeah.
Here's I haven't edit it in a while because I put all my time into this show.
Well, it was the part when.
Sorry, David, if you're watching, I'll get to it, I promise.
It was the part.
Go ahead.
No, you were talking about reading the book Pimp.
And I and I saw.
Iceberg Slim.
I envisioned you like at a Starbucks, like in the middle of a Starbucks.
And then you're reading this book and it says, pimp.
And then and then all these girls walk by
and then and then you, you know, you're reading this book called Pimp And
then people are looking at you like, I'm going to have to try that next thing because
I only did the audiobook, so there's no cover to be shown.
But next time.
Great.
What's that?
I said you open the audiobook while you're in Starbucks.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll just put my phone on speaker and I'll hit the..
I actually recomm.
It's a good book.
It's like like no other book.
He literally just talks about what it's like to be a pimp and he has this very interesting vernacular that he uses.
It's great.
He's I recommend you up.
Do you remember remember the old school audiobooks where it's just like all audio cassettes?
And it was like they're all..
You opened it up and all the tapes fell out?
Well, you know what?
Gen Z would like that because they're all about old media now, right?
So they're all about like tapes and I'm.
Oh, yeah.
The fucking thing with the cassette tapes.
Speaking which I'm not trying to date you, though, Alex..
What's that?
Speaking of which I'm not if I can show off, look
at this TV I found down the street with the working DVD player
I brought it home and was like, I
was like, I don't think the DVD player works, but.
CRT?
Wow.
Yeah, I hooked up my Nintendo 64 do it.
I was just going to say, you could play so much 007 on that.
Hell yeah.
Mario Kartart 007.
It was sick.
Nice.
I love it.
I love it.
Did you go back to that book, Adrian Pimp.
Did he sum it up by saying that Pimppin at easy?
Basically, he said, it's not easy.
It's not worth it.
It's like the quote on the back.
It's
Pretty much.
Can't turn it.tty, you can't trust.
Yeah.
That's what he said, it not me.
I I'm not calling anybody hoes.
So don't, you know, for those kill me.
If anyone's in the mood for a very dark documentary
film, American Pimp is a pretty like in look
inside of like pimping in America and it's dark.
Nice.
So I like it.
I like that.
I think there's actually one called Pimps Up Hose Down.
I don'm going to have to watch that.
So many good movies to watch.
You guys to Is that the one with Godfather from WWE?
Yeah.
The whole.
But quick final thoughts?
Yeah, you know, this is one of my favorite movies.
I'll put this up there with some of my favorite movies from the 90s that we've discussed on this show, including Groove, including
Doom Generation.
Danny Boyle, a fantastic director.
He's directed some of my favorite movies.
And I'm assuming movies that I will like if I will actually watch that..
But 127 Days, Sunshine, Steve Jobs.
This movie is a classic, I think.
Just from a filmmaking perspective, like if you're a filmmaker at
any level, especially starting out, like, you should watch this movie just
for the production design alone, like the different shots
that he makes in this, the editing style.
I mean, it's all great, just from a filmmaking perspective. and knowing that it only ca what was was it?
3 million?
Is that what someone said?
3 million?
3.1 million, yeah.
I mean, that was that was that's nothing now.
And that was honestly nothing back then either.
So it's crazy that they were able to pull that off, you know?
And, yeah, one of my favorite grungy
drug crime type movies.
I like, there's a little, it's a caper, it's comedy, it's all that.
So I've already rated it on Letterbox, which is 3.5 stars.
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Any other final thoughts from the gentleman before we go?
Black Hawk Down is the sequel to Train Spotting.
Okay, Train spotting.
There you go.
Wait, is there a train spning too?
Yes, you.
Yeah, shit.
Yeah.
They've been telling it to us in chatt the whole time.
I have not.
I did not see that at all.
I've seen it.
It was good.
Is it good?
What's that with
That?
Same cat.
He opens up a boba shop.
That's the plot.
He opens up a boba shop.
Oh, that's right.
He did do a part.
Ewan McGregor and a director had a follow for a while, so that's what takes.
Well, you and McGregor stole marry Elizabeth Winstead from her husband, so
he's a bit of, I don't know.
Do we lose somebody?
We lost?
I think we we lost Arnold.
Oh, okay.
Well, oh, that's fine.
We're going to say say bye to the chat