We dive deep into Marty Supreme, the 2025 Oscar contender directed by Josh Safdie, and unpack whether Marty Mauser is an antihero, a narcissist, or simply a survivor. From ping pong ambition to toxic mentorship and breakout performances from Tyler, The Creator and Odessa Zion, we break it all down.
In this episode of The Never Seen It Podcast, we discuss Marty Supreme, the 2025 period sports drama directed by Josh Safdie and set in the early 1950s. Marketed as an Oscar contender, the film follows Marty Mauser, a young man obsessed with becoming the world’s greatest ping pong champion. But beneath the sports movie surface, we found something deeper.
We explore whether Marty is truly an antihero in the vein of Walter White or Tony Soprano, or if he’s simply a product of generational trauma, hustle culture, and survival instincts. Is he narcissistic? Is he misunderstood? Or is he just trying to escape a life of being used and degraded by older authority figures?
We unpack the film’s themes of ambition, exploitation, masculinity, and the cost of greatness. We debate the pivotal match-fixing offer from the Kevin O’Leary character, the emotional weight of Rachel’s storyline, and whether Marty earns his ultimate triumph. We also talk about the film’s stylized tone, its modern energy clashing with a 1950s setting, and how the ending lands differently depending on how you view Marty’s journey.
Performance-wise, we highlight surprising turns from Tyler, The Creator, whose acting chops impressed us beyond his Loiter Squad days, and Odessa Zion, who delivers one of the film’s most emotionally grounded performances. We also touch on the stunt casting, the layered supporting characters, and how Marty Supreme compares spiritually to Safdie’s earlier work like Uncut Gems.
Ultimately, we ask the big questions:
We share our final ratings, reflect on the relatability of Marty’s highs and lows, and examine whether the film’s emotional payoff feels earned or script-driven.
If you’re searching for a Marty Supreme review, Marty Supreme ending explained, or an in-depth film analysis of this 2025 Oscar contender, this episode has you covered.
Welcome to the Never Seing Podcast, The only podcast called Never Seen It that's worth listening to.
With us tonight, we have Mr. Arnie, the One Man Party, ak.
Arnold Caligago.
We have Mr. Daily.
Dares, aka.
Filipino Ggio, aka.
Alex Calo, the Brothers Calo, and
a returned guest host, that Denver girl, Miss Amber Wyatt, and
then there's me, Boots Too big, A.k.
Adrian De Tora tonight.
We're discussing the 2025, another Oscar contender, Marty Supreme
Back hand.
Back hand.
Fore hand.
How do you live?
Well, I live with the conference if I believe in myself, the money will follow.
And what do you plan to do if this whole dream of yours doesn't work out?
That doesn't even enter my consciousness
Spoiler alert for Marty Supreme
Directed by Josh Safty, Marty Mauser, a young
man with a dream no one respects, goes to hell and back in pursuit of greatness.
And that pursuit is being the supreme world
ping pong champion,
set in the early 1950s, which when I
saw the original promo material for this movie, I thought it was a contemporary film.
Apparently not.
Apparently it's a period piece, and we'll get get into that because I have some issues with that.
But yeah, I believe Arnold, you chose this movie.
You'd seen it early on in the theaters, right?
You even did a quick, a quick reaction to it in the theater itself, right?
Oh, yeah.
Rapid fire thoughts, Arnold.
What does Marge Supreme mean to you?
So, yeah, I had one movie tickets
once again to see this movie, shout out to J 995 and Chase Martinez.
It was a really good movie.
I mean, two was that two and a half hours long, I believe?
Yeah, only two hours and 40 minutes long.
Oh
Didn't really feel like it.
And I thought it was entertaining.
It was made you ask questions or about yourself, and Think about yourself.
At least they did for me.
And I don't know, I made me a lot of
comparisons or like, you
know, makes you think about my own aspirations and ambitions.
Right.
That's good.
Let me and we'll go around the room, but let me ask you first, who was the standout performance in this movie?
let me think.
I mean, she was really beautiful in it.
I mean, she's usually, I'd
say, I mean, the trio, the trio.
The are Wonderful.
Kevin O'Leary.
Ah, yes.
Timothy Chalamet, and Gwyneth Paltrum.
Yeah.
I'd say.
So there was a lot of stunt casting in this movie, which we will get into it.
And one stunt casting that blew me away when I found out who it was.
But Alex, yeah, 2025, 2026
now, Oscar contender, what do you think?
Can Marty Supreme take it home?
Can Marty Supreme take it home?
I don't think so.
I think it is a well-made movie.
It made me..
If this is what, like, if
this is a fraction of what uncut gems is like
as far as the anxiety inducing
part is concerned, then I think that
I don't want to watch Uncut gems.
I mean, I probably will eventually when maybe
if I take some, you know, like, smoke some weed or something like that.
I don't do that stuff.
But anyway, I
think that Marty Supreme, I don't liked the
Snatching Mach machine, which is directed by his brother.
I thought from what I hear,
the soundtrack for Smashing Machine was much more
like what he does.
Like it was very jazzy, very like kind of like
free form jazz kind of soundtrack, whereas this seemed
a little bit more like, I'm pretty sure you're going to allude to it as well.
Adrian is like the soundtrack
It kind of threw me off that they were doing
all these like 80s songs and stuff like that, which is, which is fine.
To me, I think that's fine.
I don't have any problems with it.
I know that it throws off people when they're thinking about a
period piece, but as far as
film goes, I don't think that it's wrong
to do that as far as like.
It'd be different if they like put in a quarter in
the jukebox and all of a sudden there was like an 80s song was playing, right?
Like here's like, just like Heaven starts playing and he's like, wait, what?
Why is this playing?
you know?
But it it never went that direction.
It was actually still.
Maybe if they did like a 50s version of like an 80s song.
Right.
Yeah.
I would have loved that.
Yeah, that would have been really cool.
A standout performance, though, for you.
Who was the standout, in your opinion?
The girlfriend.
Odessa Zion.
She was great.
I fact I thought she was really great.
She was really good.
She I think she really shined
when she was when she was on screen.
She really reflected the
the desperateperate nature of what
she was trying to do with Marty as far as like
getting him to like kind of settle down.
She was trying to be like, hey, I'm, you
know, but at the same time, it's still trying to let him do
his thing in a way, even even like
when it came to that point where he was like, you need to leave.
She like he pushed her away.
She didn't push him away at all.
You know, I thought that was like, you know, she
still, you know, had to do her thing.
Right.
No, I could see that.
I thought Odessa did great.
I thought
Tyler, the creator of all people,
was amazing in the one scene he was in.
Yeah, so I remember, yeah, you next.
Who was the standout for you?
I was really impressed with Tyler the Creator.
Like, I don't know that he's ever acted like that.
I don't think.
I follow him closely.
Like, I love his music.
He's never acted like in a film like that.
So I wanted to see more of him and Marty
to hang out. care he had that sketch comedy
show on Cartoon Network.
Lloiter Squad.
But the Lloiter Squad, I don't think it was acting.
It was kind of more like Impractical Jokers kind of thing.
Really?
I I've never seen Liter Squ Squad.
I thought it was like a sketch comedy.
I felt like in Liter Squad, he was being a self.
In Marty Supreme, I don't think he was being a self.
Like, he was really acting as a character that he created in.
Agreed.
Agreed.
That was.
Who was he in the movie?
He was his buddy that picks him up the cab driver, and then they go on that crazy
side quest.
Okay.
From the hotel.
You who Tyler of the Creator is Arnold?
Are you fromiliar with the music?
I heard some of his music.
I saw a little bit on the Coachella live when I was doing couchchella.
C
and I know
a lot of people like.
He was part of Odd Future, that hip-h group.
Yeah.
Let's get this way, Arnold.
He's a very nameable rapper.
I don't know why or how, but he's very memeable.
He does seem very intelligent,
which I guess you can sometimes expect from rappers, but not always.
I think I'm stuck in my music because I
remember remember trying to listen to it and then, I don't know.
I just I just didn't You're thinking about listen anymore.
You cube. so much.
Like you can think of like us when we were 18 and like us now.
Like, he's my age.
Like, he's like 33 or 34.
When he was 18, he would like
like be like offensive for no reason and
like say like offensive stuff for no reason.
It was just like hilarious to him.
And that's pretty much how I was too.
And then, you know, now he has like, he's like doing
like melodic, like jazzy stuff, like funky stuff.
Like he sings and he kind of like autounes it.
Like, it's really dynamic music now.
And like, it kind of just like started as a joke, I feel like.
So it was, I didn't like the early stuff.
Like Cherry Bomb, it was really annoying.
Like, it was so offensive.
Like, he, he like talks about, like
but he would never do something like that.
It's kind of like the stupid shit we used to laugh at.
Right, right.
I'm only laughing because you've used that word twice on this show.
Yeah.
I think I used it more than twice.
That's my sense of humor.
It's fine.
You have to insert a grape emoji.
A gr.
No, okay.
But in all honesty, there has to be something, you
could probably do a case study on the rapper to actor pipeline.
Some rappers are able to do it.
Will Smith will start off as a rapper.
Tupac did a little acting in his day, I think, right?
At some point.
Speaking of Tupac, I was just thinking about
Tyler, the Creator.
I saw something, I think today on social media, I don't know how true
it is, but then it showed Tupac, like on
the street and it was like some video and they said, well, that's Tyler Creator.
Like he was like two years old, like just standing there.
Wow.
that'd be cool.
But I don't know how true it is.
Well, with AI, anything can be true, Arnold.
Don't let him I know the dreams.
You know what I'm saying.
Lam are both from L.A., so.
Yeah.
I want to see Kendrick Lamar do a movie.
I feel like Kendrick Lamar would be a good actor..
I feel I feel like him and pair him with Ryan Kuggler
as director, I feel like you get some good performances out of him.
But anyway, we're talking about, yeah, Marty Supreme.
Yeah, Tire of the Creator was great
So Ad does Zionion for you.
Or no, you tie the Cor for you, Amber, right?
Is that how you said?
Yeah, his character is Wally.
WAL.
He was great.
For me, it was, honestly, it was Adessa Zion.
I wasn't expecting, I've never really seen her or anything.
I know she's been on that show.
What's that comedy show on HBO, LA Girls or something.
What's it called?
It's like Girls in L.A. or Love L.A?
Is that what I'm I don't know I'm talking about LA Love or something like that.
I know what you talking about.
It's a sitcom with yeah, the other girl.
Anyway,
I've only seen her in this, and I was blown away.
She was really good.
She's only in it, she's in it in the very beginning and then in the
last third of the movie in the middle, she's kind of, well, I guess in the first
quarter of the movie, she's not in it because Marty's out and where does he go?
He goes to Japan to do a ping pong tournament.
No, no, no. goes he goes to Europe in the first time.
He's a Europe.
And then he's trying to get to Japan
on like the second half.
The emotional core here.
He's just trying to just trying to beat the one guy, the Japanese guy, right?
Is that his thing?
Well, no, he wants to he just wants to be the best and he lost to that Japanese dude.
He built himself up so much that
you know, he always had this ambition of like being
the best and he told everyone he was that he was going to be the best.
You know, that's kind of one of those things where, there's
there's a a radiohead song, Paranoid android,
and one of the lines they say ambition makes you look really ugly.
I agree.
And this is
exactly what happens to him.
Do you see a parallel between that and Timothy
Chamet in real life really trying to get that Oscar?
Do you see the parallels there?
Am Am I crazy?
I mean, I haven't paid attention to his
promotion of like him trying to get the Oscar, trying to promote.
But, you know, like people do like crazy things.
Remember when we talked about
David Lynch trying to like,
you know, pump up his Oscar nomination for.
Oh, yeah.
What was it?
In. Inland Empire.
In downtown Hollywood.
Yeah, by the Bob's big boy.
He said that cow and the sign and everything, and it was just
before even like viral stuff went, like was like a thing.
But that's a very David Lynchian thing.
Go ahead, Emer.
That happens when people get along with Chris Jenner, like Travis Scott got a McDonald's deal.
Like he got a deal with Budweiser.
Like, yeah, he was like just a rapper.
Like things pop off.
Like
when you all you got to do is what you're telling me is getting
good with the Kardashian and you'll you'll get some brand deals.
No, that makes sense.
It seems like things happen, so I'm not like, just because of that fact.
Like, I really love the movie, but I feel that gives him a really good chance to win the Oscar.
Like, I don't know how they're tied in, but things always seem to go up when you're dating one up.
I guess I'm just very judgmental because like, I've never seen an actor who, and he is good, by the way.
I'm not denying that.
I've never seen an actor in his caliber, like just so desperately tried to win.
Like, like, Leonard DiCaprio, everyone for years was saying, he needs to get an Oscar.
He needs to get an Oscar.
He never, he never really heard a peep from him until he won.
To be fair, though, here's the thing.
Like, I get why he's doing it because how many like great actors
have been snubbed early in their early days
and then they get these makeup Oscars later on down the road.
You look at like.
Denzel Washington, who got snubed for Malcolm X and then gets an
Oscar for training day, which training great day was great.
But nowhere near Malcolm X. No.
You know, nowhere near.
And it happens at like
Robert De Niro, Al Pacino.
You know, a lot a lot of them, they didn't get that, even like, um, what's his name?
007, Sean Connery..
He should have gotten an Oscar played long
ago, but he got one for the Intouchables, like way later on in his career, which is like crazy to me.
He should have got it like, they constantly do those makeup Oscars.
DiCaprio should have got one for Gilbert Great.
Come on.
I mean, he was young when he did that part.
He was a kid.
Yeah.
I think that's the problem. like they want to see you put in the
work for XM amount of years before they're, all right, he can do it.
Maybe.
That's just my thinking.
I mean, I guess I get, like, you want to like have that proven body of work.
But like, isn't that the point, though?
Like, capture, like, like lightning in a bottle?
Like, to take, for instance, Kiyu Huang for
everything Everywhere all at once, right?
He, like
wasn't a kid, and none of his his Oscars
were like none of his
acting gigs when he was a kid were Oscar were contenders at all.
He was just playing a kid.
But then like fast forward, he didn't get any roles and then fast forward
to like like 2023, I believe.
He gets the Oscar for
everything, Everywhere All at Once.
Because that role was so good.
And now he's like doing doing, he's on the,
he's acting again and things like that.
But like that, I feel like that particular thing should get the award.
You know?
So he's up against Leonardo DiCapo for one battle
after another, which we've talked about on this show, Ethan Hawke for Blue Moon, which
I did not see, Michael B. Jordan for Siners, which we did also talk about on
this show, and Wagner Morre for the Secret Agent, which I also did not see.
But the ones that we have seen
I mean, who do you guys have your money on of those five?
Wow.
Leo, even.
Michael B. Jordan Wagner M. I mean, I'd have to say Michael B.
Jordan just playing the two parts of the twins.
Yeah.
I mean, that that was really great.
Here's's my order.
It'll be Michael B. Jordan, Leo.
Oh, man, I kind of slightly edged edged him out.
And then I'd say 10 minutes.
Well, we know you like to talk about edging, Fred Arnold.
That's a joke.
We'll cut that out.
Go ahead, Alex.
Here's.
Has Ethan Hawk ever gotten in a war, an Oscar?
He's never won to.
I think this might be his makeup year.
You think so?
I I think this might be his makeup year.
You know what?
You might be on.
That's going to be a big upset, I think, for Michael B. Jordan fans.
I mean, here's the thing.
Michael B. Jordan
deserves it.
I think in that, like with,
there's like five contenders, you said?
Yeah.
So like Timothy Chalamet deserves it, I think.
I do believe.
Leo deserves it.
Leo's already gotten one, so he may not get it.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
So I think the people, the two people
the person that I think will get it is probably Ethan Hawke.
The two people that I think deserve it are either Timothy Shamalet or Michael B. Jordan.
And Wagnamora, for those of you that don't know, he played
the cartel boss.
Oh, God, why am I blanking on his name?
The most famous cooking trafficker in all history?
What was the?
Escobar Oh, the show..
And that was in the Secret Agent?
He's nominated for Secret Agent, yes.
Yeah.
Which has nothing to do with the Narco show, but yeah.
Yeah.
So
and he's a good actor.
He was great as Pablo Escar.
Haltro.
Oh..
Yeah, but what did you guys think about this?
Because I'm watching this movie and and it takes place. again, I
was surprised that it took that it's a period piece.
And I'm watching it and I'm like, the dialogue doesn't
sound period PC enough to me.
It sounds way too modern.
What do you guys think?
Amber, I'll start with you.
Yeah, so I was just going to say, on that tip, like, you
were making a point to say, like, Timothy Chalamet, like it's
kind of like bizarre that like he's pushing so hard for this.
Right.
And like being part of that industry and like being
behind the scenes and knowing like, you know, it, it sometimes it takes
people like Leonardo DiCapo or whatever, like decades, like, and it
does seem to be like something you have to earn.
It isn't like really, I don't know.
I was thinking this, whenever I was like hearing
about that before, like, we don't know what goes on with these people because it gets weird.
Like, like he could have some beef with one of those other nominees.
That's my speculation.
I don't know, but Yeah, it's possible.
I don't see how or why he would, but it's certainly possible..
We don't know what they do.
These people go to these parties and who knows?
Like, someone got punched, like, somebody kissed your girl, like, her foot.
Who knows?
ollywood one's line or something?
Yeah, Hollywood is a high school from Mean Girls to
an extreme at the end of the day, I think.
But yeah, what do you think, though?
Like, did the dialogue feel like too modern for you in this?
Yeah, I feel like only Gwyneth like kind of nailed it.
Like when she kind of had like a mid-Alantic accent,
I felt like, but That's true other than her, like,
it wasn't like, I don't I didn't feel like anyone was committed to it in that way.
I agree.
and to give Gwyneth Boucher credit, she, she has kind of a timeless vibe to her.
You know, she can fit any era.
Timothy Chalamet, not so much.
She, he sounds like a Gen Z kid, he is.
Yeah, and another thing that thing off is like the park scene.
Like, I don't think they did that back then.
I don't know.
Am I tripping?
but.
What was the park scene again?
He like.
When he goes down on her?
He ate her cuckoo in the park in Central Park
Oh, yeah.
I'm pretty sure guys didn't do that back then.
I mean..
I mean, well, I mean, maybe did it in centinners.
They did it in that truck.
And that place the 30s.
Oh, he did, yeah.
I got a little story here.
There was it's not.
Now, go ahead.
Go ahead.
So we used to a park that we
would always go to,
for our shenanigans to be and things like that.
Yeah, you know, we'd sit on the bench.
We have a view of either direction.
If the cops are going to come.
I guess we're doing.
Back then it was illegal.
Okay.
But then
and so like if the cops came, then we would just go
into, because our behind us was our
family house.
You can go through there and then we would go for safety.
We would pretty much get away. it was a bad family house not a trap house, by the way
Yeah.
But then, and we' never got caught.
We never got caught.
No, there was no problem or anything.
I mean, there was times where the cops would shine their lights and we were like, run, man.
And then they would, you know, we're gone.
Couldn't catch us.
But then
there was a lot of times where you would see like couples.
They just set like like a blanket and then
they put like like a blanket over them and they're on top of each
other and you you're like, dude, this is it's like 3 p.m.
And like Tuesday.
Yeah, yeah.
But like the kids at the elementary school, right
there, they're going to be getting out soon.
And I don't know how many times we would see that.
You know, them completely under the covers, under the blankets.
Well, all kinds. to be fair, that was in the north end of Palm Springs
Yeah.
People't know, it's different.
There's a me of a time when I think I
saw a couple trying to get a little freaky in the park.
And I think the woman was pregnant, if I remember correctly.
Whoa.
Extra freaky.
That was a threesome.uce the pregnancy from what I hear that you can that's she could do.
That's all.
Yeah
So, Amber, are you saying that like, was the sex too modern as well?
Or just that moment for you?
I feel that that, that sex scene was was too modern.
What did you think about the opening?
I know, but I just, it threw me off whenever I like, I was like,
okay, this is about to go down like it always does
with these two.
And then, and then it started going that way.
and I was just like, what year are we in again?
Like, it just kind of like threw me.
I was like, I don't know.
This is weird.
Yeah.
And the movie opens with them hooking up and then it goes into
a very extreme close-up of the sperm and everything going through her.
No, that's not Paltrow, though.
That's Odessa.
He's hooking.
I know, I know.
That's It's just funny that it starts off with sex, with him impregnating Odesin.
I remember now that you mention it, Amber, there's
actually a song, right, where they're it's like super raunchy,
but it was like back in like the 1950s and it's a girl
like a female singer talking about.
It's just like, you my coo.
It was a real song.
I I heard it.
Like I heard this.
It is actually, I have to find it now.
I gotta find it.
Yeah, it's like, it was like totally like a big band
kind of like jazzy thing, but it was like, they were talking about that explicitly.
So I don't think it's like out of the realm of like, actually happening.
No, no, I think you're right.
I think you're right.
Yeah, but overall, I just, I just felt like
I wasn't, I didn't feel like I was watching a period movie throughout most of it.
Like, his journey is crazy too, by the way.
I love this.
And by the way, I didn't hate this movie.
There were some things I hated about it, but I didn't hate the whole thing.
I like the scene in the hotel where he's in the bathtub and
then the fucking floor from underneath him caves in
and he lands on Abel Ferrera's dog.
And I thought he killed the dog, but the dog just is hurt a little bit.
And that whole thing, I mean, there's a
frenetic energy to the Safty Brothers storytelling that
I do appreciate because you mentioned Uncut gems earlier.
You should watch it just for Adam Sandler's performance alone, by the way.
But yeah, that is an anxiety-inducing movie.
I actually felt less anxious watching this one.
Like they turned it down a little bit.
But holy moly, was there a lot of just unhinged fucking moments throughout.
I mean, he really does go through the shit
of Marty Supreme.
But he's also a hustler.
He's constantly hustling people, bro.
Like, how am I supposed to root for a guy like that?
I don't know.
When he said unhinged, that totally describes us.
Right.
Just so much..
I forgot about the part with the dog.
Yeah, because that's one moment.
And it does have consequences because Abel Ferrera, who
I've never seen him and anything else, but I know of him because he has this crazy unhinged
interview on Conan, if you look it up on YouTube, he plays like,
I don't know, he kind of like an Italian mafioso type
sort of, but not really.
I didn't really catch it, but the dog escapes.
Oh, no, hold on.
They take the dog, don't they?
And then they go to a gas station or something and they get,
and after they hustle some fucking white
ping pong players and they catch up with them and
then the dog escapes. and I thought, oh, fuck, that dog's dead.
But no, the dog is not dead.
The dog is not dead, ladies and gentlemen.
That dog lives.
That dog goes through hell and back as well.
That thing has his own homer odyssey, which by the way, comes out later this year.
But that's beside the point.
I don't know if the dog was gang affiliated, but he said that dog was his only family.
So then Marty is like, I'll take him to the vet after the bathtub falls on on him.
And the man's like arm is open and he needs to treat it.
He's like, I'll take the dog to the vet just to make sure he's okay..
Like 40 bucks or whatever because he's desperate for money to get to Tokyo.
Right.
And then they go and grift the the ping pong players and
then they get caught up with them and then they get beat up and the dog runs away.
And here's the part I wanted to talk about, the stun casting moment that blew me away.
The farmer that takes the dog, you guys, did you guys catch who played that guy?
Did anyone catch it?
I didn't catch it either.
You know who it was?
Penn Gillette from the magician guy.
Penn and Teller.
Yeah.
Oh, that's right.
I saw his name at the very beginning of the movie when they showed the
credits.
And I was like, when I totally forgot that he was in the film, but now I'm like. crazy?
That's.
I mean, like, it looked nothing
like him, but I, I appreciate that.
I appreciate that stunt casting more than the Kevin O'Lear
O'Leary one, which we'll get into a little bit.
But yeah, that was a Pendulet plays the farmer that takes the dog and shit.
So, uh, there's that one.
And then there's, did you guys catch the bouncer at the,
at the ping pong hall where he goes and practices every night, the old guy?
Yeah.
He's kind of like a, that's that's, I forget his name, but he's a
remember that homeless guy like 10 years ago that was became famous, went viral because he had like the golden voice
and he was like a homeless guy and someone interviewed him on camera and then they went viral and yeah, that's him.
Ted Ted something was his name.
I forget it's like Ted something.
He was the guy.
Yeah, he only has like a couple scenes.
They're really quick and blinking, you'll miss him.
But yeah, that was the guy with the original homeless guy that went viral because he has the golden voice
The golden voice, yeah.
And then who else?
What other stuff has?
Yeah, so Kevin O'Leary.
So yeah, let's talk about Kevin O'Leary.
I actually think he did a good job.
He's a capitalist in real life, a shrewd businessman in real life, and that's exactly what he is in this movie.
So he's basically just playing himself.
Arnold, you mentioned him earlier.
I feel like you like him.
What did you think about Kevin O'Leary?
He't wonderful.
Oh, I don't know if I really like him.
I mean, I follow him and I watch Shark Tank and stuff, but I just thought he did really well.
The character that he played
it fit right up his alley pretty much,
yeah, like he said, playing himself, rich dude with a lot of money was
a businessman and making decisions and
Well, the stuff that we don't see, which I
don't know, if there's a, maybe there's some truth to it, but
how he's like, all right, you really want this?
Like he makes him like pull his pants down and then he spanks him with the.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know.
I feel like as we're learning now that
a lot of these rich people in power, they do
some wild stuff, like going to different islands and stuff.
I don't know.
Check his name name.
He's got to be in the files.
Oh, I know.
I'm so glad you bring that up because that couldn't be more relevant.
If I had I had watched this last year at this time, I would have been like, that's stupid.
Why would he?
And then now I'm like, no, that's that tracks.
That's not even the worst thing that a rich person would get someone to do is..
That's That's funny to me, though.
I've I've always felt that that's what was true anyways.
All this stuff that people are like, like, what?
What?
The Epstein files?
What?
I mean, come on.
This is stuff that's been going on for
decades.
People with power, people with money, like,
they don't try to gain more money because they want more money.
They want more power.
Money gives them power and it's like, it gives them access to these different things.
And it's like, then they become hungry for more power
It's not about the money anymore.
It's about like, because if it was about the money, then money is
like a survival tool, right?
But if they don't, they don't, they have no need to like like
be like on the hunt for to survive because they have the means to survive.
They have billions of dollars
But now, like, it's all about like being able to keep that power, right?
Like, like, like money, it's it's a means of holding
on to power, which, you know, money is fake..
Money is fake. cards.
Yeah.
Did you guys ever watch House of Cards?
No.
I started watching it.
I went I got about halfway through.
I't I stopped watching it after like the Kevin Spacey stuff.
Yeah.
And for reasons that are not too far off from this.
But yeah, he says in that show at one point, he says, everything in the world is about sex, except sex.
Sex is about power
But apparently that quote came from Oscar Wilde, so I don't know who to believe, but either way that's a great quote.
Arnold's hips are about sex.
Oh, we're at the 30 minute mark.
I need to be in like a bell or something to announce, what we're doing.
But yeah, um, this movie, it took you through quite a journey, uh,
not out of dancing in this movie, actually, but Marty Supreme, what's his thorough line?
He wants to be the best ping bong player in the world, and he'll stop at nothing to get it.
Did you believe, was it believable to you guys when
Kevin O'Leary's character offered him the chance to throw a match
And then he turned it down like right off the bat.
Like, I feel like that was actually, yeah, like that made sense.
But, yeah, I don't know.
I What did you guys think about that whole storyline?
Because that was really the impetus for the whole movie from then on out, right?
Thwn out, right?
Well, if you think about it, it's like it's it shows that kind of desperperation
to like that he was at, right?
And I think that, again, plays that whole idea of ambition makes you look pretty ugly
idea.
You know, too, it also kind of like showcases
the the ugly side of of hustle culture.
I like, I've always, I'm,
I hate like saying it, like, but I lean very much towards
like that punk rock lifestyle, you know, do it for the
love and do it for like the community and do it for
yourself because like all that stuff fades away.
Like punk rock has always been like, you know, like live fast, die hard.
Things like burn brightly and they burn out, right?
It's all about like living for
the art, living for the purpose
of creation and and that should sustain you.
But unfortunately, music industry was created to be able to support people, right?
Give them a way of making living.
But then people get greedy.
CEOs get greedy.
And they start like trying to find figure ways to like keep
more pattern keep more of the money, right?
You know?
And so it's like, it's just one of those things where
it's, it becomes this like endless sort of like
like, like pit,
you know, you try to chase that, the rabbid,
the hole, and if you find nothing but like despair, you know?
That's a great, yeah.
Marty Mauser, is he in anti-hero?
What do you guys think?
Amber, do you think he's an anti-hero?
I don't think he is.
And I think he is a hero.
But my theory about him in that scene
that we just talked about is is like, okay, so you
guys keep on saying like that he just wants to be the best ping pong player.
And even though that's like in the film description, like, I think it's
intended to be taken much more deeply than that because he has like a shitty life.
Like he wants to get out of like desperately.
Like he wants to get away from that place.
Like, and his uncle is degrading and demeaning to him.
And he's just like
he basically is you, like he's a user.
Like he's just like, hey, I know you have dreams and stuff,
but I got this shoe shop and you're really good at selling shoes.
So and it's like, I'm a person too, like with hopes and dreams, dude.
And he's just like, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fuck that.
Like, so literally like when the
Kevin O'Leary character is like, yeah, I want you to do this, this, he wants to use him
And I feel like for Marty, it's like, I've been like that my whole life, dude.
Like finally, like I can say like, no, I don't want to be used.
Like, why does everything that I get, like even just like
a roof over my head have to come from older
men like demeaning me and degrading me and using me for their own
like business purposes.
Like, that's why I feel like he like really, really didn't want to do that.
And like, I relate to him.
Like a lot of people at work and stuff, they were like, he's a narcissist.
Like he's a textbook narcissist, all this, but it's
like when you really do feel like nobody gives a damnn about
you, like, you know what I'm saying?
I think he really felt like that.
I feel like, I feel like he knew his mom cared about him, but she
was like, couldn't, you know what I mean?
Wasn't stable herself.
So it's like, I'm not going to stay here with you and go down with you.
Like, I have to get out and like make something of myself.
And I think like that's like
relatable to my life.
Like you just got to get scrappy and get the stuff done
and get out because it's like literally killing you.
Like you're just like, I cannot be treated this way by people anymore.
This is crazy.
So you'll do anything to get out of it.
And I feel like that's what it was for him.
Like it wasn't as so much about the game or anything.
It was just like a ticket out.
It had to happen
Well, thank you know, that's thank you.
That's a great insight.
That doesn't make sense, right?
Because I'm remembering it now, he has to literally hold
the guy at gunpoint just to get his money from the shoe shop.
And that comes back to bite him in the ass later, which is
what ends up why he ends up going to that hotel and shits.
Yeah, like, can you imagine, like, your father figure?
Like, even though it's, like his uncle, like, calling the police on you?
Yeah, no.
Like, it's crazy.
Like, my, my uncle wouldn't even look at that as stealing.
You know what I'm saying?
Or try to hold the money from me.
Like, that's pretty bad.
Like, that's a bad abusive situation.
And like,
I saw it for that and I didn't feel like he was trying to be mean to, um..
Odessa as I am.
Odessa, like, I forget her character's
name, but yeah, like, I just feel like he was like, so, like running for his life.
Like to get out of that messed up situation.
Like, so it's like, hey, you know,
you know, like, he's not always trying to be like mean.
It's just like he's literally trying to survive.
Like, it's, you know.
And she was taking it in the shins too.
She was married to an abusive, angry fucking dude.
But then I know, but it's like, why should Marty have to help her get out of that?
You got yourself into that.
You're a grown woman.
I think that's how how he felt.
And I felt like that sometimes before, too.
It's like, I have my own stuff on my plate, dude.
I'm going to help you in the baby, but like, it's
not my fault that you married this like guy.
Like, that's only why'd you do that?
That was the biggest thing for me, the biggest turn when I was like, I don't like this guy.
It was when he comes, she tells him that she's pregnant with his kid, and he's like, no, it's not mine.
That's Like his immediate response.
What's that?
That's the way he's uncle treated him.
It's like no mistakes, like no learning lessons
Yeah.
You know, mortgage going to call the cops.
Like, it's like, dude, I'm still learning and growing.
He treated others the same way.
Right.
There's a clip I shared today on the Instagram from the movie
where he's telling Odessa, listen, I got dreams.
I'm trying to go big.
You got, well, I don't know what you got, but honestly, it's not really my problem.
Like, that also
couldn't compounded with everything else..
And I was like, wow, this guy really, like you said, I was saying the same thing.
This guy's a narcissist.
I get your perspective, though.
It makes sense, you know, it makes sense.
You can look at it from both sides.
Go ahead.
Yeah, when I heard him say that, I was like, facts..
I what I get what Amber is saying, too.
Like, But there were moments where I felt like this felt a lot like.
And you saw this movie of friendship, where like, that character
he felt like very irredeemable, you know, and
even up to the point at the very end where like,
um, he just wasn't redeemable at all whereas like, I feel like
he was doing a lot of, like Marty was doing a lot of things
that he was making a lot of bad choices.
Like, he could have a acknowledged that
it was his kid, you know, and been like, okay, let's take this one the one thing at a time.
I'll be back
But at the same time, I get that whole idea of like, he was trying to get himself himself out of it.
But at the same time, it still kind of bit him in the ass at the
very end and he kind of had to like humble himself at
the very end in order to win, right?
Like, he was like, all right, I'm going to win this thing.
And then he's like, never going to be able to come back to Japan, never going to be able to play the play
like in the league anymore.
He lost everything.
And, you know, but in order for him to get that win.
And it goes back to that whole thing, playing for the love and
playing for himself, like, he had
to get that win for himself.
And there was no money involved
No, not even, well, I guess national pride
was a key thing, and that's why they were able he was able to get out of Japan.
He wasn't stuck in Japan because they all those the U.S troops
like where he loved him because he won, you know?
But that being said, he that wasn't even a byproduct.
That wasn't even like on his mind when he won, you know, or when he was trying to win.
He like basically
you know, was winning for himself.
And that's when he, like, to me, when he he turned into
the hero, when he finally like accepted his,
that hero's journey finally, like it took a long, long time to get to it.
That's a good point.
And he finally, like accepted that, the
role, the responsibility, and did it.
And then, like, he was like, then that's when he came back to
Dessa's character and was like, he's like, I'm going to be a dad.
I'm going to be a dad.
And that's like,
he took responsibility.
And that's like, that to me, that's when, yeah, he became the hero.
Like, like, let's, let's let's be, let's be fair.
In any hero's journey, you're never the hero the whole time.
You're a character,
but you don't become the hero until you
take that leap of faith, that journey, you accept the journey.
And whether or not you're successful at it is another thing,
because there's many heroes in a lot of stories that die after
accept the role.
They accept the journey.
But the simple fact that he was like
he humbled himself and he like saw like
things with like like clear eyes.
He like, that's when he became the hero.
Right.
I like that.
I agree that he humbled himself, but I
felt like when that happened, it was him like, okay, so
like he decided not to just like lose the game.
Like he lost the first game, right?
But then I feel like when he came back for the rematch, it was like him
finally like standing up to that like abuse kind of thing.
So then once he did that, I guess it humbled
him, but it just kind of made him like, all right, I'm not going to be like those people.
Like, I want, I want to like, I'm going to go back and do the right thing.
Like, I'm going to start doing the right thing because, you know, I thought it feels and everything.
Absolutely.
I felt like he was like trying to
smash that.
Like, okay, I just like, oh, really let this dude like use me.
Fuck that.
Like he just came back and he was like, I can't do it.
Like, and then he stayed true to us. himself.
So I like it was clear that he was prioritizing beating Endo first
And then and then and then Rachel, who's a character named played by Odessa.
That came second.
It seemed like he had to finish that arc
first, and now I can take care of things at home.
Well, yeah, that's kind of.
I get that.
I get that.
Isn't that like sort of the, like, even in
like video games, you beat this boss and then you go and the next boss.
It's, it's never like, you're not like focused on like the next boss when you're
playing a video game.
Yeah.
You're like, I have this thing in front of me and
you have to defeat this thing in front of me before I move on to the next one.
So you' never thought, like maybe there there are certain things in in
in a video game or in your own life in real life
that like you're picking up
in to prepare for the next thing, but
you still have to defeat the thing that's in front of you.
And that's part of it, like the whole thing.
Yeah.
It's clear that like the ping pong thing, it's
the only thing that's going right in his life because his life is a mess, as we see.
And I do appreciate that they
they made him go through a lot of shit.
Like he didn't it didn't come easy to him.
The only thing that seemed to come easy to him was ping Pong until he played against Endo.
And it's like, yeah, I get it.
Like now that's the one thing I need to check off my
list before I can do anything else with my life.
And then How many times did he did he play against him, like rematch?
Like three times, four times?
Well, no, no, no.
He played him once in London.
In there again and lost the rig game.
Yeah, he threw the game.
He threw the game.
And then he played them the second time
Because you're familiar with how tennis is played, right, Arnold?
I'm.
I'm not.
So it's's the same same way as you would with like ping pong.
Like they have you win a certain match,
you have to win so many matchesches, and then you get the
the game set match or whatever.
I thought, well, like the first time that he played him, uh, that was an official match.
You said that what was rigged?
Was it because of the paddle you was using?
No, Kevin O'Leary tells him,Len, I'm going to put on an exhibition
match in Japan against Lando.
I want you to throw the match so that Endo looks
good because that's good con controversy because I need that because that makes me money.
And I'll pay you whatever it was, which was a lot of money at the time
And at first he's like, no, fuck that.
I'm not doing that.
And then he goes through all the shit throughout the movie with the d and
getting shot at and he kills the fucking farmer dies and all this other shit.
And then he's like desperate.
He has nothing.
He practically has no one.
And then he's like, okay, fine.
He goes to Kevin O'Leary and then he goes through that spanking ritual to do
the exhibition match in Japan at the end.
Well, he also loses that friend.
He also loses that friend after he kind of uses him.
The chubby guy?
Yeah.
Remember?
Because he's like.
I thought the story was his cousin.
Was his cousin?
Yeah, I think it was his cousin.
Right.
I thought the story was going to go in that direction because like, they're looking at the the ping pong balls.
They' like, oh, yeah, look at this.
Marty Supreme.
Yeah.
They didn't say Marty's the Supreme on the ping pong ball?
It did, but they never really closed a loop on that thread.
They kind of established it and then they never really, they never really
took it anywhere significant from what I recall., I thought it was going to be like
thought that you couldn't see a white ball with a white background.
Right, yeah.
That was his thing.
Really quick.
Yeah.
Shout out to HLPs in the chat, as always with us.
Professor Pixel's in the chat.
He said he just saw Bonia, a pretty great film.
It was a good movie.
You should watch our episode on that, Professor Pixel.
But yeah, shout out to all our friends in the chat, hanging out with us.
Yeah, okay.
So he goes, yeah, that was an exhibition match against Endo.
And he throws the match, as he's supposed to.
But then he's like, wait, fuck that.
Now I'm going to play against him for real.
And then he does.
And, I mean, what did you guys think about that whole set piece?
Arnold, I'll start with you next.
Oh, you're you're having dinner, son.
I was chewing on..
He got skills.
He like really..
Dude, I got to tun on a glizzzy here.
You're fine.
You're fine.
What's your topping on the hot dog, though, first?
Well, forget your star sign.
I want to know what your glizzy toppings.
Mustard and relish.
No onions?
No onions?
Call that.
No.
No onions.
If I had sauerkraut, ooh, I would have done some saukraut, but I'm
telling you, I watched the whole thing go in like and had that.
I was like, Am,
you were going to say about the last match, though.
Go ahead.
Well, Arnold finishes his dinner.
I really liked the soldiers, how the soldiers were showing out for him.
Like, they were all excited.
They weren't that many of them, but they were all like, I
felt like that was a 1950s kind of thing.
Like that, you know, that was their entertainment and they
had to cheer for him, of course, USA
So it was cool.
I like that part.
What did you think about Gwyneth Thoter's character?
Because she's Kevin O'Leary's wife.
He sleeps with her.
He cucks Kevin O'eary, which I guess tucking Kevin O.'
Leary isn't the worst thing in the world.
But yeah, like, did you like her character?
Did you think that was good at all?
I thought...
Yeah, I
I love her character.
Oh, wait, who?
Well, I'll put it off to the room, but go ahead, Alex..
I mean, I thought that she was
a characterbilding character.
It kind of, like, put things in front of him.
It kind of it was kind of one of those necessary, like,
like, the whole idea of like, like people come into your life for
a reason, a season, or a lifetime, that kind of thing.
Like, that's obviously like Gyneth Holfield's character is like a reason.
There's's a reason for her to be in there and it's like, it's
it's nothing like, like super
life changing in a way, but at the same time,
a lot of the things that happened to Marty
when he was around, you know, like, he was able to get that
get into the house and see Kevin Learry's
character and, you know, actually ask him like
beg him to go back to be able to go to Japan.
Had he not like met her?
Had he not had the opportunity to like have that happen?
Have that he like, the cop not taking that necklace
you know?
I love that, that whole bit, yeah.
That, that meeting with Kevin O'Leary would have never happened.
And if you figure about it too, here's the thing.
Like, even if Marty got the money, he wasn't allowed
to play in the tournament because of it the way he acted in the last tournament.
He was like banned.
So it was like there was no way he was going to be able to play in
the tournament, even if he got all the money without, you
know, Kevin Lear's character's help, right?
Well, I think he still thought he would be able to talk his way in into it because that's what he did.
That's what Hustling.
I'm pretty sure he did, but you're going up against an international,
like ping pong league.
You know, it's like trying to like be getting bad
from the NBA and then sneaking into like the
the, what's the what's the name of the thing?
The commissioner like like a party that the commissioners
point on and being like, hey, come on, let me, let me play.
I have all this money going to let me play.
Let me play in the NBA.
Put me on any team.
And that's not going to happen
Never.
Yeah.
I love that the commissioner of the P Pong Commission hated Marty so much, too.
Like, you get this disdain from Marty.
It was great.
I also did like, with Gan Pro's kid going back to her.
I liked that she gave him another necklace after
they lost the first one because the cop took it, she was all distraught.
And then she gives them the necklace, he takes it to a fucking jeweler
or whatever. and he's like, no, no jewel.
No, that wasn't that wasn't part of it.
Remember he was trying to steal it from her?
Yeah, that was when they were in the shower.
Oh, yes.
You know, hustled.
That was right.
He was
in the making up and hustling, you know?
The second she was trying to
get was like she was going to go go back up and get it.
But then I guess she got the reviews for the play.
Oh, for the best.
It was like a.
Yeah, she had a breakdown.
So the necklace from the drain is the one he takes to the jeweler and the jeweler is like, yeah, this is costume jewelry.
Yeah.
It's worth nothing.
Yeah.
I love that because she's an actress and actress
have to fake it and it was a fake necklace that he ended up with.
Yeah, good stuff.
That was good.
I like that whole bit.
I will admit.
I think we're about that time.
Final thoughts before we get to final thoughts.
Yeah, I actually actually have like a very important like final talk thought that.
I think it was like, I had a discussion earlier today with like
a coworker of mine and it was like, um,
and it's like, hustle culture versus integrity
you know?
And like, you know, you, like a lot of
times, you know, people..
I remember, like one of the one of the greatest compliments
that I got, like, when I was out in Palm Springs and still doing like Palm Springs Comic Con and and like
you know, putting on shows and stuff like that.
And like one of the, there was the main editor for this like local paper.
I can't remember the name of it at the time at the moment, but he was like,
we were having a conversation and he was like, like one of the
things that I really appreciate you is that you have integrity.
There's very few people who
have that. in this in the entertainment,
especially in the entertainment business right now.
Like, in the, like, you' a man of
your word and you like, try to, and if
you can't fulfill the thing, you will admit to it.
You know, like, and I think that's one of those things.
You, I would never commit to anything that I couldn't like come through on, you know?
And,
and if I couldn't come through with it, I would like humble
myself and be like, hey, I, this is not something I could realistically do.
And I think that's one of those things where like, why
I can't identify with like that Hic culture thing?
Because I just couldn't put myself in the situation.
I would rather it be poor
and do the right thing than to
be like, have to like make amends or like try to
make excuses for things that like, by like screwing people over.
I mean You can't be in politics.
You certainly can't do that.
Yeah, exactly.
And then another thing too, like, I remember like my friend, like,
one of my friends, uh Glenn Coy, who's like a
very successful business person, but before he started doing the print shop,
before he started doing Windmill screen printing, he was doing the the skate shop, right?
And he was like saying like, he's like, we had a conversation.
He was like, like's the reason why we're never going to get rich.
He's like, because like, we're too nice
And I was like, yeah,
that's true, but I'd rather like, be able to sleep all at night.
Yeah.
You can still be nice
and and get rich for the.
I'm not saying that he can't.
Like, no, I don't know.
But, like, when you mentioned like cultal culture,
like, I don't know, my, I have a
little bit different view on on a hustle culture.
I don't tell me, I still do things like very, you
know, with integrity and I don't want to like screw people over
But also, you know, I want to be able to advance
my, myself in life and, you know, get to a better place
financially and, you know, be able to do different things.
And so like, I don't know, but I don't like screw people over.
Well, there's a difference between like hustle culture and there's like just making
like ethical decisions.
Right.
That's not, that's that's not hustle culture.
There's got to be a line between hustle culture and just survival, right?
Like, I feel like some people would
think, like flipping things is unethical.
But really
you know, businesses do it all the time.
Or you buy low, you sell high.
You buy, you source something from China and you sell it because
you can sell it for more over here or at a market.
That' That's just the way how business is.
That's the way the market is.
I think Marty Supreme would survive in the modern world.
I think he would love the modern world.
Are you kidding?
You?
I mean He would thrive.
Here's the thing.
I think I get what you're saying, Arnold, when it comes to that sort of thing.
Like
you and I, we've gone to Comic-Con, we've
bought things, but we don't like
try to game the system in any sort of way.
We try to do it in like the way we do
try to like there are certain times when like, hey, if there's an open
door for us to like do the thing that like get the thing that we want to get
to like flip or whatever.
Well, it's there, but we're not like screwing
people over to get that thing.
And I think that's, that's that's the big difference between
like when I, when I say like, and I don't, I'm
not like, when I say hustle culture, I'm not trying to
demonize it in the sense that like it's bad.
I think peopleividuals misconstrue what
like actual hustle is versus their
ethics, like, hurt people.
You could survive, like do things to survive, but don't hurt people.
That's the problem.
And that's the problem.
People can't delineate the two.
Right.
That's a good point.
I'd like to quote something from a
great person by the name of DMX.
He said,
you' all been eating long enough now.
Stop being greedy.
Just keep it real, partner.
Give to the needy.
Ribs is touching.
So't make me wait and I'm
gonna bite you and snatch your plate.
15, That's good, Arnold.
That's good.
Well, there's also that's also, that
energy interview with Tupac, right, where he's talking about.
There's like people who's like, how can you have a million dollars?
And there's still people starving?
People like, you have like $100 million and there's people out there without
a roof over the head.
I mean, he was like a hustler, but at the same time, he was also ethical.
I think whenever, I think whenever you are being
like lied to and used and violated, like
your entire life until you're like 19 or 20 or however
old like Marty was, that's normalized to you.
So if you're doing that to other people, it's just like, yeah, that they don't know any other way.
I feel like, because that's how they were treated.
So they just feel like
I made it, you know.
So I don't know.
It's not looked at as the way that maybe somebody who didn't
have that type of life like would look at it.
Yeah, but that's the problem is like if it is getting normalized and we shouldn't.
It needs to be deormalized.
Yeah.
All great points
One last thing I wanted to say, yeah, Think about it from that perspective
recontextualizes Marty Mauser a little bit for me.
Because, yeah, because as I was watching it, then this is why I asked her earlier if
he's anti-heroes because I just felt like, are they trying to make him like
the Walter White, the Don Draper, the Tony Soprano type or like he does bad things
but you still root for him.
And I was like, because I'm not rooting for him right now.
Thinking about it from the perspective of like survivability and
trying to like rise above his station, it makes sense.
But there was just so many moments throughout the film.
I was like,
like, again, he feels like a narcissist, but I get it.
I get it.
I understand where he's coming from now, now that he've discussed that.
He's definitely a hard hard to root for.
Right.
It's like it's you want to, but it's hard to.
But then you get to the end and then it makes it easier
because he actually makes the the right choices.
And I got to hand to the Sand brothers.
They're really good about character, because Adam Sandler's character is similar
in Uncut gyms, where it's like, he's very narcissistic,
but he's more charming, I think, than Marty Mauser.
And that's why you really rooted for Adam Sandler's character in Uncut Gems.
And then that ending happened, and I won't say what happens because you haven't't
seen it yet, but that ending happens and you're like, fuck.
it's a good ending.
So you, all I'm trying to say, Alex, you should watch Unc Jems because it's really good.
It's a movie you only need to watch once though, I promise.
Fine, I will.
Jeez.
two more points before we coming up for me.
What's that?
It keeps coming up for me like as it's suggested.
It's good.
It's good.
Two more points.
I want to talk about before we wrap it up.
Odessa, Zion, faking the black eye that she got.
I thought that was a great moment.
When when he sees it, it's just makeup.
And you believed it because we established earlier that her husband was abusive.
So that was a great moment.
And then what was the other great moment?
Oh, yeah.
The scene where they go and get the dog back with Abel Ferr's character.
He kind of holds him at gunpoint. and then there's a shootout at the farmer's house.
The farmer played by Pendulet.
Vt My only issue with that scene is that right after that, he goes to Japan.
I'm like, wait a minute.
Two people just got killed in a shootout and he's not being detained by the police or anything?
Okay.
I thought that was a little, oh, we're at the hour mark.
I felt that was a little like, they didn't even address it at all.
Like, bro, two people just got killed, shot killed, uh, in a shootout.
Weren't they in the middle of nowhere, though?
I was getting ready to say that Stuff like that still happens in the country in
2026 and nothing happens about it.
Like, trust me, I know.
I guess that's the hand wavy explanation part is that, oh, it's the 50s, it's in the country.
The police don't have to know what they don't have to know.
But eventually those bodies are going to come up or they're going to turn up missing.
It's someone's going to be like asking questions.
But I don't don't have the.
Solved back then.
They didn't solve murders back then.
Yeah.
And they don't and they don't have the forensics science that they have now.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Maybe that's why they said it in that period.
I wonder if it wouldn't have worked as easily in the modern world, I guess.
And then, uh, yeah, one last thing I wanted to say was that..
on, hold on before you move on, how would you modernize it?
I think, I think that's the better question.
If you were to modernize it, how would you modern anything?
I don't know.
I guess the soundtrack would still work with 80s
music at least, because, you know, we still want to play 80s music and movies these days for some reason.
But as far as everything else, yeah, I don't know.
I just, I just.
Like I said, I just felt like his character, his dialogue.
And it's not entirely Timothy Shalum's fault.
The dialogue just didn't feel period piece.
It didn't feel proper to the time period.
But yeah, how would I modernize it?
I mean, honestly, yeah, you wouldn't have to change much because it already feels modern.
I mean, in the settings, how would you set?
Where would you set it?
I don't know.
I feel like I would have kept everything the same.
When I saw the promotionalional material for this movie originally before it came out, the blamp and all that.
But even like this is set in like World War II era.
It was like post-Wor War II.
Post Worldera, yeah.
Right after World War.
Actually, no.
Yeah, it was post World..
It was, yeah, 1953.
I looked it up because I was curious myself.
I thought it was going to be when I saw the blimp and all that promotion was real.
I was envisioning in my head an LAbased
you know, just tour-to-force movie where with Timothy Chalamet as this modern hustler type.
I guess that that's what I imagined.
But then it ended up being a period piece set in New York, much different.
When I first saw this, I thought I thought Marty Supreme was about the brand Supreme.
Oh, yeah.
Well, and that could have fit, right?
Because there was like a Zoom call that they released with Timothy Chalamet in character or something.
And I thought, oh, that's part of the movie.
Like, there's a Zoom call he's trying to.
I thought it was about the brand Supreme and I thought that
was like about the origins of like who started it.
Apparently, Supreme has been around for like a while.
I can't remember how long.
Who Who'd have thunk it, right?
And that's the thing.
I think at the end of the day, the marketing for this movie was like more interesting than
the movie itself in a lot of ways because the marketing really grabbed me
and I was like, oh, I need to go see Marty' Supreme when it comes out. around Christmas.
I about the same thing too, about
that it was the history of Supreme because when
I saw the blimp out, they had the blimp out here.
We were coming back from San Diego.
And on the freeway by
the outlet mall where they got all the big brands
And the blimp was like right there.
And I remember looking at it, I was like, what is that?
Marty Supreme?
I was like, oh, I like that outlet.
Well, they bust in all these Chinese tourists shop and stuff.
It's great.
Yeah, they go shop there.
They go to the casino
either at the buffet, go for more shopping, stay at the hotel.
Oh, I don't know if they stay at the hotel.
But yeah, let's do final thoughts really quick and then we'll wrap it up.
Amber, I'll start with you.
What are your final thoughts on Marty Supreme??
I really liked the movie and I really relate it to the character Marty.
And I didn't ever get mad at him.
And I also really enjoyed the parallel
between like Rachel and Kay and Marty.
I felt they were all three, like
in situations that like they had to just like
be comfortable in, but like none wanted to be in.
Like, um Kay was kind of that like, washed
up actress that like has this rich like person to
maintain that lifestyle, uh, you know, the Kevin O'Leary
character and like, they're not in love.
They don't have love.
He knows that she's having sex with Marty.
He paddles him for it.
Like, he doesn't really care
And, uh, that's.
He probably has his own side piece going on.
Yeah, and then the same kind of same situation with Rachel too.
And then Marty is, you know, just out here trying to be somebody as well.
I feel they're all trying to be somebody and they're all just like stuck in like
bad situations that like they don't want to be in.
When Rachel, um
when the, when the tear like took like the
makeup off, that's like, I really didn't like her.
And then when that happened, that's when like I connected
with her because I felt, I, for the first time, like I saw and felt her pain.
I was like, oh, that's how bad you wants to get out.
It's not okay to do that, but I was like, oh, it really sucks for me.
Yeah.
Like, I didn't really, that didn't really register before.
I was thinking like, it's your fault.
Why did you go with this guy?
Like, why would you do that?
But then I'm like, hmm, who knows where she came from?
It could have been worse than this.
Like, I don't know.
So I really like the movie.
I give it like
I guess a four out of five.
I don't know if we're doing that right now, but.
No, that's fine.
Yeah.
Where can people find you?
People can find me at that Denver girl,
um, Instagram, everything, that Denver girl.
Nice.
And you make a good point.
I just realized, yeah, Gwyneth Patro was sort of
the opposite of Rachel, where her character was like in a gilded cage, right?
She can't escape this abusive or not abusive, but she can't
escape this marriage because she needs to rely on it, but like her talents aren't
good enough to carry her on her own because she gets that bad review, which I was actually laughing when they showed her crying.
I was like, oh God, she got a bad review.
And that was like it for her.
You know, I's here again for the rest of the movie.
Yeah.
That was a good moment.
So good stuff.
Alex, yeah, we'll do you next.
What are your final thoughts on on?
Marty Supreme.
Marty Supreme to me, was.
It was kind of a mix bag.
When I first started watching it, like...
Like I mentioned before, it kind of reminded me of friendship,
the movie Friendship where like, like this guy had
no, like, social.
What do you call it?
Social intelligence.
And for context, that's the Tim Robinson movie with Paul Rudd.
Yeah.
He's like the creepy, obsessed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But like, now that I, but then I gave it some more
thought, but it was like almost like the reverse friendship sort of thing where like
um, where Tim Robbins had lacked a lot of confidence
and like he kind of put his, um
his self-esteem and his confidence in like the
fact that people he's finding somebody who he thought was his friend and liked him and anything.
He kind of blew up this friendship into like this exaggerated thing
as Marty Supreme had, he had all the confidence in the world.
Like if you think about it now, he's like, when he was training, like, I'm going to go to London, blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, like having these.
And then he like was in London and then he sees that movie star across the room
and he like finds out how to like get with her.
And that's how they hook up.
Because he he had this huge ego, right?
He's like, I'm the best.
And like, you know, even after he lost in London,
he's still like, I was like, well, hey, I'm traveling with this
this, like with with the Globetrotters.
And I'm like, they're like kind of mid
you know, halftime shows type comedy act with like doing ping-pom tricks.
And it was like, he still like thought he was the shit.
And he thought he was the shit through the whole, like, almost the whole film.
And then then you saw the, like his, his, like, you start seeing the walls crumbling down
And in the movie, he
starts to understand that like he doesn't have his shit together.
He thinks he has his master plan,
this big, big hustle to be the best.
And he forgets that it was like
for him, it was about like he loved the game.
Even even after all like this shit, like,
he loved the game and he thought the game was going to take him out
of the shittiest situation he was in, right?
But sometimes it's okay.
Like, sometimes that, like relying on that sort of thing.
Like, you look at like
being in the music industry as long as I had,
I've known known people who like wanted to be in the music industry
and they wanted to play in bands and stuff like that, and they wanted to be successful.
And, you know, they go down these
paths that like just lead them down the wrong ways.
And then they finally come out the other side and they're like, maybe
it wasn't about, like becoming
an artist, but it was like being just being true to the art.
And like, had I not like got like
gotten this like blown up ego, I could have actually been successful.
Like, I've known so many people who have done that.
Like, the people who I know, who I know who have been successful
don't have the biggest egos.
I give this an example of like, the guys
in F Islands. know, I met those dudes in 2010.
I've been fans of that band since 2008,
2009, when they were just first started out.
I didn't, you know I was going to ever be able to book them.
I wanted to.
I always like would send the messages on like mySpace and Facebook at the time.
I wanted them to come play out either.
But then like circumstances like, like, we're on my side
And I have a friend, Kyle Mson, who is friends
with with the dudes in F show.
Yeah.
And he like, was like, hey, like
Future Islands is coming down from Baltimore and they want to play the show too.
I'm like, he was already going to play a show
and he's like, they want to jump on the bill.
I like, what?
They want Sure, yes, yes, please.
And like, I met them and they were like some of the most
humble, nicest dudes you'll ever meet.
And like, there are times like I like, I remember like I went
to go see them in San Diego after we'd played played.
And he's like, like we were at the Casball and me
and Johnny were walking towards the venue.
And then Sam, the main guy from the lead
singer of Future Islands, he sees us from afar.
It's like, he's yells my name.
Alex.
He's like, he remembered me.
And he was like, he's like, what's up?
And we were like hanging out
And then I remember there was another time too.
I got tickets to, it was like they were playing Coachella.
They were like it was, and they had like a midweek show that they were playing at Pappy and Harriet's.
And I still, they're, they're friends.
I call them friends but I don't like talk to them all the time.
But then, like, I remember I was going to the show and we were kind of hanging out in the back area
And, um, they're about to
go on stage and they're like, they're like
doing like, like, like a team, like a basketball team's well, two, three.
He's Sam sees me.
He's like he's like, Alex, get over here.
And we like, I got into the, I was able to get into the, like, like
the little circle and one, two, three, you know, F islands are over there.
I can't even remember that.
And like, I remember just like, wow, I was
actually, like, he, like, even years after, like, right after that show, that's when they they got big.
They blew up and they were like
playing the Hollywood pole and like opening
up for like, well, I can't remember who it was.
It was this big name at the Hollywood Bowl, but like they're
like one of the biggest bands in the world right now.
And it's like, but they's still like some of the most humbled dudes.
And even right now, like doing this thing where like they want they're
like seeing like if any fans want to send them like their memories and
like, because we were all a part of like who what made them.
And that's the thing.
You look at like Marty's journey in the film.
And the humility is what brings them back to like what matters most
You know, like winning, like
doing it for the love of the game, you know,
doing it for the things that matter the most is what,
you know, it, you know, it grounds them.
And I think that's
you know, people who could stay that way, regardless
of, I think success is like what you make of it.
Like, I don't think, I look at like, my past, all the things I've done.
And yeah, I personally think
it's like, oh, I wish it could have lasted longer.
But then like a therapist, like my therapist, he was like, you know, Alex, he did a lot of stuff
Look at, like what other people have like, they wanted to do.
None of them have accomplished a fraction of what you've done.
And like a friend, like a co-worker of mine, she asked me,
like, he's like, have you, what would you like to accomplish before you die in?
Like, I look at my life like just standing there, I was like, I feel like I've
accomplished a lot of the stuff that I've wanted to deal.
Like, I don't have any, like, I have goals
like, like, but they're like newer
things that like, oh, it'd be fun to do, but if I never, if I never happens,
I'm satisfied with the life I've lived.
I've met people, met Tommy Hk from Radiohead.
I've done cool things.
I got to go to Comic Con for free for several years.
I did stuff.
I did stuff.
And it was out of the work that I did.
It's like, and I was out of like the humility of like
you know, just doing it because I love to do it.
I didn't make a ton of money off of like cup ofan Con or like putting
on shows, but I have all these memories.
Yeah.
And I think, I think that's, to me, like, at the end of the day, it is most important.
I think that's where Marty's journey, why I, at the very end, I finally identify with it.
And for me, like, like that's, um
the movie is a four out of five.
There is like that sort of like, um, like
you said, Adrian, that stuff that takes you out of the,
the day and agent. the story that's is supposed to be like
you have an 80s music being played during like in the 50s era, you know.
But it was still, to me, it was still fun.
I had a good time watching it.
It was some parts that were anxiety-inducing, but
you know, that's fine.
That's their film style.
I can't make them say it.
Like, stop making me feel so anxious.
You know, like, no, they're not going to do that.
But yeah, like, and you can find me at Daily Dare and all the socials.
Like a film instructor once told me, just don't don't be boring.
This movie wasn't boring, so
credit, where credit is due.
And another thing you made me think about, Alex, and thank you, by the way.
Another thing you made me think about I was like, what would your 10 year old self say to you about the current life you're living?
I mean, like my 10 year old so it's, oh, wow, you got your own place.
That's cool and shit like that.
You get to work from the house, be on the computer all day.
Not bad, not bad, all things considered.
Yeah, it just put things into perspective is what I'm getting at.
So good stuff.
Arnoldnold, what are your final thoughts
on Marty Supreme?
So, Alex, he said it very well.
His journey, Marty Supreme's
or Marty Mauser's journey, it
really was because I mean, you see the
ups and downs and really, at least for me,
led me to think like, oh, he's going to be on to the next thing.
He's it's going to get, you know, things
like, like, oh, he's going to have his break.
But then things get things happen, you know, just like in life.
So there was a lot of sort of
relatability, at least for me, because I kind of,
what I aspire to do a lot of different things.
I mean, not really ping pongs.
I remember, well, I remember, I mean, there
was a time in my life that I was a really good basketball player and
people thought that, oh, man, if I would have played on the basketball team in high school
that I probably would have done really well because I would play with
the players from the basketball team like at the park or something and I would ball them up.
And I'll just do my thing.
And I'll ball them up, faded, while I'm like all faded and everything.
And then the cops show up and break it up, right?
Uh..
Maybe you see some people doing it from afar away.
Yeah, you watch that show show.
You're getting in a free show.
Or a lot of times what would happen, you would smell like some
wheat and then you become friends with them.
And then, and then they got your back.
Anyways.
And they bring snacks.
Yeah.
No, the ice cream man would always be there.
Oh, hell yeah.
I love the ice cream, man.
Yeah.
Oh, man, that was that part, yeah.
Well, there's many parks that we got to get those chaco tacos.
I'm going to cruddled crunch kind of guy.
But I like those taco tacos.
Okay.
So I
just thought it was a really interesting story and
it led me to think that he's going to have a break And
especially with the type of people that he's around because usually
at least, you know, that's one of the things also in hustle culture is
and then you start paying attention to all like, positivity and and
uh, like mentorship, at least a good type
of hustle culture that I, sorry,
Molly is, she's hanging around me because I still got a pop up and pizza
And so she is she's just sitting here and she's just staring
at me like, hey, you not going to finish that?
Yeah.
Anyways, um So like, uh
you think, and one of the things that they tell you is the
people that you surround yourself with, at least your closer inner circle
you all tend
to be on the same road.
Like, you know, you know, if they're successful, and then you
also be successful. or if there are others who are not,
you know, they might drag you down with them
And so, the, I mean, with
Mr. Wonderful, I forgot his name in the movie, and Gwyneth Paltrow and there's a lot more.
I always just mentioned them, but like
they did have a lot of screen time.
yeah, so like the whole movie, you get that felt the
anxiety, that thinking that like something
big is going to happen.
But I just thought it was really good because, um, and
like how you said at the end, um, him just
doing it for, uh, for himself, like not really
like, like humbling, humbling himself.
And then, um, um doing
you know the whole match of how he is like, nah, I'm not going to lose on purpose.
We're going to play for real.
And then actually, it's like, I had a a moment as
I was taking a bite of the hot dog and I'm starting to digest that.
And when you mentioned that, I started to finally actually digest that part of the movie.
I'm like, oh, it made sense to me.
Now, I'm like, whoa.
I think there was just so much that went on, like from
from the the floor collapsing and
and falling on that guy's arm.
And that's's kind of like the introduction to like that whole part,
that of the story where you weave that guy in and the dog
It was it really was a journey.
It went along for the journey with Marty Suprean.
Absolutelyolutely.
I thought it was very entertaining and
my letterbox score.
It's If
there could be like, you know, point,
whatever, don't give it a 4.20.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
But I guess.. 9 of 6.9?
No, no, not a 4.69.
I am for that.
Okay.
Not a 6.7?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But a 4.20 sounds about right.
I like it.
Wow.
And so, where can people find you?
Yeah, that's my my letterbox score.
Everybody can find me at Arica.
Perfect.
Are you doing?
Britney Spears tong?
Huh?
Are you doing the Britney Spears tongue?
Whenever she says an L, she really expresses the L?
What?
Like, Like.
Lick.
All right.
Licorice.
Marty Supreme?
Marty Supreme?
Oh, there's no elder.
My favorite part of the show now, Arnold.
You know what's coming.
It's time for the Arnold.
Snoo a meter.
It's broken!
Oh, no!
The snoozeza meter is broken broken, folks.
Meano sleepy, sleepy.
It's Arnold's hips gyrations, like broken.
Oh, there it is.
It was just One more time because we missed it.
I gave it a negative
1z because so before watching that I
watched it in the theaters, and then we ate at
I looked up.
Oh, I forgot.
Yeah.
My score is?
Negative onesie.
Negative one is my score because
I had a nice meal of
we went to Chick-fil-A, and I had the
spicy deluxe chicken sandwich with fries, a drink,
and a little mac and cheese on the side.
Medium.
Medium mac and cheese.
So good.
Not one sleepy eye at all.
Hold on.
Not sleepy at all.
How does it make it a negative Z?
Did somebody like.
Like, here's a Z
and here's Arnold's score.
I know. but did somebody, like, come up there and like, keep your eyes open?
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Okay, so, so like, we had't, we're like, oh, it was
almost like we have these passes shouted again to Jemin 995, Chase Martinez.
We had these passes and I didn't want them to go to waste, and then I was tired
and we're like, well, okay, there's this showing at 7.30 or whatever.
And so we went, I'm like, well,
legit in my mind, I was like, hopefully it's a good movie.
If I fall asleep, I fall asleep.
But, uh.
But you didn't.
And in fact, I was like energized.
He dies.
If he dies, he dies.
If he he dies.
Oh, he dies.
Yeah.
And so, so like after that, I was like, no, I don't know.
It's like I had a cup, like a cup of coffee or something.
Hell yeah.
Well, thanks for that, Arnold.
Yeah.
Hey, A cup of coffee?
A cup of coffee.
A cup of coffee. cup of coffee.?
What's coffee?
A fee for what?
Coffee.
You were saying already?
No, no, no.
I wasn't saying I'm done.
Because right now, the last but not least, is
Mr. BWOTZ too big.
Well, thank you for that.
I don't.
I appreciate that.
Final thoughts.
Letterbox score.
In a world of Don Drapers, Walter White and
Tony Sopranos, guys who were objectively terrible but hypnotic,
Marnie just didn't have that for me.
Don Draper, Walter White, Tony Soprano, they're antiheroes.
You shouldn't love them, but kind of do.
Marty never quite earns that fascination
and part of it is that the story feels a little too modern.
The rise feels accelerated, and when he wins in the end, it
doesn't fully feel earned more like it's more like the script decided it was time.
And the way he treats Odessa's character is straight up atrocious,
and while the film tries to give him an arc through the baby that
they create together, that emotional turn didn't quite land for me.
It's not a bad movie.
It's stylish, it's well acted, and clearly swinging for the fences.
I just never vibe but the guy at the center of it, and that's a tough hurdle to clear.
But in the end, in the end, I give it a strong
unletterbox, three stars out of five.
I think that's a fair score.
All things considered.
I think it was great hearing your guys' perspectives, especially
your perspective am on Marty Supreme, you know, that that really recontextualizes a lot of it for me.
But yeah, that's more or less how I feel.
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Any final thoughts from the gang?
A hustle, baby.
There we go.
What was the.
Didn't they play that one song for Young?
I want to be.
Every show and the movie has plays it.
They also played the song that
was on the outro for Napoleon Dynamite.
I'm sorry about the Dude.
I can't remember that song, the name of the lyrics to that song, but it's a good song.
Even Stranger Things plays all those songs.
I don't we just close it out with, y'all?
Y'all been eating long enough.
Now, stop being greedy.
Let's keep it real, partner.
Give to the kny.
I like it.
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I like it.