We break down Guillermo del Toro’s Frankenstein (2025) in a hilarious, chaotic, and surprisingly thoughtful conversation about gothic horror, monster psychology, Oscar politics, and whether this film should have been a series. From the creature’s emotional core to the jaw-dropping production design, we dig into what works, what drags, and why this version still hits hard.
In this episode of The Never Seen It Podcast, we dive into Guillermo del Toro’s highly anticipated 2025 adaptation of Frankenstein. We’re joined by Arnie, Amber, Alex (aka Filipino Grigio), Chris (MilkmanAmerica), and Donnie for a wild, funny, and surprisingly deep discussion about one of literature and cinema’s most iconic monsters.
We kick things off by talking about why this movie was chosen, how del Toro’s name alone carries massive expectations, and how genre films—especially gothic horror—are still treated unfairly by major awards shows. We break down the film’s long list of Oscar nominations and debate whether genre movies can ever truly compete in “prestige” categories.
From there, we get into the heart of the movie:
the monster.
We all agree that Jacob Elordi’s performance as the creature is the emotional backbone of the film. Even buried under makeup and speaking very little, his physical acting, expressions, and vulnerability make him the most compelling character on screen. We talk about how this version finally centers the monster’s pain, loneliness, and need for acceptance—something that hits surprisingly close to home.
We also unpack:
The gothic horror tone and how it leans into classic literature
The stunning production design, sets, costumes, and lighting
Whether the movie is “too long” or perfectly paced
If Frankenstein would’ve worked better as a limited series
How del Toro’s auteur vision clashes with mass-audience expectations
Why streaming changed how people experienced this film
Amber brings up the anxiety-inducing tower set piece (yes, that hole), and we all agree that the architecture alone deserves an award. Chris argues that the movie’s length made him want even more character development, while Alex defends del Toro’s artistic intent and reminds us that “too long” is subjective—especially in the world of gothic storytelling.
We also compare this adaptation to Mary Shelley’s original novel, including the cut third act involving the Bride of Frankenstein, and discuss what it means that del Toro chose not to include it. That leads to a broader conversation about adaptation, faithfulness, and creative freedom.
Finally, we wrap with rapid-fire takes on the strongest and weakest characters, how the film balances horror with drama, and why—even with flaws—this Frankenstein stands as one of the most visually striking and emotionally resonant monster films in years.
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tonight, Mr. Arnie, the one man Part.
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A.K Arnie Calo, Mr. Daily Dares, aka.
Filipino Grigio, aka.
Alex Calo, the Brothers Calo.
Mr. Donnie Appleseed, aka Donnie
Guzman, the Cins Calo, Mr. Milkman America, aka Chris
In the return, co-host that Denver girl, aka.
Wyatt is here tonight, and
we are discussing the 2025 Guermo del
Toro movie, Frankenstein
You like that?
Did the accent and everything.
Dr. Victor Frankenstein, brilliant, but egotistical
scientist brings a creature to life in a monstrous experiment that ultimately
leads to the undoing of both the creature. and his tragic creation,
starring Oscar Isaac, Jacob Allorty, Christoph Waltz, Mia Goth
Charles Dance, Felix Camerman, Camr,
David Bradley, so on, and so on, and so on.
That's the movie.
Who chose this movie?
I believe it was you, right, Arnold?
Was this your movie?
Oh, yeah.
Well, no, I don't know.
I don't I don't think so.
It's okay.
Well, were Let's say it is mine.
Okay, Alex.
I think because we were on a roll with Benicio del Toro movies, you know.
This is Guerre.mo del Toro.
Oh, I know.
So it was it was not because we were on the.
This is not the guy who Cherry you snipped at the Saturn openers.
I I hope we don't go big because
then because someday Guillermo del Toro is going to see that and he's like, what the fuck?
No, yeah, no.
I really did not.
I just I was just kidding around about that, guys.
Oh, yeah, right.
But, you know, it's, you know, it's out there there on episodes and weeated it now.
You called a callback.
You know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Just roll with it, Arnold.
Just roll with it.
You did it.
Everybody get your roll on.
Okay.ucking roll.
Why did you choose this movie, Alex?
I'll go to you?
Just because I mean, I've been wanting to see it for a while, and her a lot of great things.
And obviously the Oscars, that's pretty plain and simple.
I mean, Guillarmo del Toro, I'm a huge fan of.
and I don't know.
I've never seen, actually seen a Frankensteinstein film, not the black and white.
I've never seen Mary Shelley's Frankenstein..
I've seen Frank and Weenie by Tim Byrne, which is great.
I've seen what we do in the Shadows and the storyline
about the Frankenstein-es monster that they have.
I've seen Frank and Weeney too many times.
Yeah.
Frank and Weeney after Dark, right now..
But no, but. what do you think, Alex?
Big picture, big picture winner?
What are you thinking?
Best of the year?
Probably not.?
Probably not.
Probably not.
It's just, I feel like with Guot
Del Tor Toro just keeps on getting snubbed.
You know?
Well, did he win for the Shape of Water?
I feel like he did.
I'm going to look it up while you tell me more about that.
Yeah, so, I mean,
I just feel like it's also kind of a
genre film and genres have historically been snubbed, you know?
Well, horror, right?
Horror specifically.
Well, like genre films in general, you know, the
Dark Knight got snubbed.
It was nominated, but they didn't win..
Then you get like...
And then a lot of horror obviously gets nominated.
It's very rare to see like
um, I mean, genre, when you think of genre films,
I'm specifically talking about horror action, you know?
What would you nail this movie?
Don't ask?
I would say horror, but it's definitely not.
Like, it comes off...
Kind of a gothic horror.
Yeah, gothic horror, for sure.
Mia a Gothic horror.
Hey,
Donnie, you got to drop in with dad jokes.
I can't be the only one holding it up.
You know what I'm saying?
You're right..
But you do have a good point, though, Alex.
So just to clarify, nomominated for Best Picture,
Best Supporting actor, Jacob Ly, Best adapted screenplay by Del
Toro, Bestinematography, Best production design, Best costume design,
Best makeup in hair, Best original score, Best Sound,
and that's it so far.
Yeah, for the Academy Awards.
So that's a good amount.
I I think they'll go home at something.
They're not going to be Best Picture, but it's going to be something, right?
So What do you think they're going to win??
I think, I think production design is, is uh, doable.
I think costume design and makeup, makeup probably makeup.
I think makeup.
I would say makeup and costume is pretty good.
Yeah.
Um, I don't know about the score.
The score doesn't, didn't really stand out to me.
Did it send anybody.
I love the set design.
The is amazing.
So is the score like like a category?
Yeah.
Like overall score?
Like Rotten Tomatoes sort of thing?
No, no, no.
Like the music that sort of thing.
The music, the music accompanying the film.
They should have a Z rating sort of score.
Okay.
Well, we can talk about.
They probably do at the the Raspberries?
The R
The Razzie Awards or whatever.
Razzie Awards.
Yeah, yeah.
They probably do.
Yeah, so rapid
fire thoughts, Arnold, you're fresh, fresh off the press.
So what do you think?
What are your your initial?
I mean, I watched it a while back.
It was like, I finished like like when he almost 20 minutes ago.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
I'm surprised, yeah.
Well, that's that's a lifetime for Arnold.
So yeah.
Yeah.
There's so much.
That's that's like like a full quarter of play right there.
Well, no,
I mean, I heard a lot of really good about this.
And my first thought of Frankenstein was like,
you know, what you would see on TV when I saw on TV growing up, it was like,
you know, that character, Franken.
And
in Frankenstein, and what I learned quickly
is not the creature.
It's the doctor, the scientist..
Right, right, right, right.
This is an education podcast.
Yeah.
Remember Arnold, the Munsters that we used to watch the Munsters?
Oh, yeah, that show.
Yeah.
I, yeah, that's where.. initial thought was.
But it definitely lived up to
what everybody was saying.
I was definitely glued to it.
But like last night, I started watching it like at 930.
and I was just I was just legit tired.
And I I
fell asleep and then was it was the last 20 minutes.
And then, boy, the last 20 minutes were crucial.
Like crucial. say if I, if I didn't watch
that, and I went into this episode, this recording
or this live stream, uh, I
I would have just kind of been like, meh, but then those last 20
minutes was, man, it was beautiful..
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
Del Toro won three Oscars for Pan's
Labyrinth, four for Shape of Water, and one for Pinocchio, which I did not see.
Oh, Pinocchio.
Did Shape of Water win Best Picture
No.
Was it even nominated?
No, it was not.
Jape of Water had 13 nominations.
I had only won four.
Oh, that's more than Frankenstein.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Emmiral Del Toro's a blade?
No.
Well, not according to Wikipedia.
Uh, yeah, Chris, I'll go to you next.
Wrapid fire thoughts on Frankenstein.
Honestly, I thought this would have been a
really great limited series as opposed to a movie
because as much as I loved like each
act was so good and I'm like, I love all the detail
like like we started touching on already, like the
costumes set this design was sick.
Honestly, the cast was fantastic, but geez,
I was like halfway through, I'm like, oh my gosh, I still have like another hour
and 15 minutes left of this movie.
It is rough at some parts.
But
yeah, it's it's it's a great movie.
It's just really long.
I have a question I have a question for you.
I saw like a friend of the show,
a directorctor Patrick, he he follows us on Instagram.
That's right.
He recently posted a little video about
Texas Chainsaw Massacre at 8184 buying the rights
to do it at their..
Instead of doing a movie, they're doing a TV show.
Wow.
His thoughts were, well, it's not that it's a bad idea, but.
It seems like more so... just
a reason to drive subscriptions.
Now, if they were to do that with Frankenstein, I feel like
one, I feel like it was kind of watch watered down.
Guermo del Toro's.
V. version of it.
And if they did that, then it also takes away the whole idea of
him being a nur, a film aur.
And I feel like people get into film because they want to have movies in theaters.
You know?
I don't think I don't think that the
fact that something like that is something
being a long film should really play into the idea of like, well, this is
this would be better or worse or a done.
What are your thoughts on?
I think the consequence of having a
long film, it comes from pacing.
And I think that Del Toroos is
obviously a master at what he does.
So like all of this is with an asterisk, right?
But I feel like sometimes when you have
something like a Gothic horore that has so much detail that
you can dive into that for the mass audiences, right?
If he's he's making a movie because he he's passionate about it.
But when we're talking about Best Picture, right?
This is mass audiences and mass audiences don't
have two and a half hours attention span
to like sit with and nitpick all of these details.
We all like movies, right?
And we like to get into the needy gritty.
So for us, it's not as much of an ass.
But for the daily moviegoer, that is a lot.
And I've noticed that it got a lot more hype once
it hit Netflix because people were had the time to like
pause, take a break, fall asleep, wake up the next day, finish it 20 minutes before the podcast.
That's actually what I did.
I kind of do disagree, though, with the idea that it's
the Oscars are a mass audience thing.
real, I mean, we all all know that the
Oscars are this whole sort of like, um,
it's it's it's just popularity contests, obviously.
Let's We talked about that on our one battle after another episode.
Yeah.
But the idea that
the initial idea, the actual inception
idea was that this is to award art, right?
And so
art art is, is a very subjective thing.
However, also,
the idea of like creating art is also subjective.
And like for me to say that
um, that his vision wasn't the
right thing, you know, and it should have been a television show.
I can't say that
because like maybe he did, you know, he, you know, he
truncated that whole storyline that he had adapted to fit
his vision.
And so I think that's kind of the catch.
You know, you, you can't really say, this is better or worse.
He took out the third act completely because in
the book, you see him build the female creature..
And they mention it in the movie.. a female creature?
I don't know that.
Yeah, he built like in Mary Shal is Frankenstein.
They actually build the female one, but
he gets.
Well, that's the story of the bride of Frankenstein.
Oh, yeah.
But Dr. the scientists gets scared and kills the creature off.
And that's kind of where the tension between the creature and the scientist.
But that's like the third act in the book.
Yeah, but never again.
He's like, like, to Chris's,
you know, point, he did, you know, probably
did that just so it wouldn't be so long.
Like, so many hours.
If you think about it, like our version of like something being way
too long is kind of a short version.
It's kind of short when you think of things in terms of like, say, Bollywood
like have four or five, six hour films, you know?
So again, who who's to say that this too long or too short?
That's a very subjective thing.
I thought it flowed pretty well.
I know a lot of you guys said it was long.
For me, it was it didn't drag on.
It didn't drag at all.
It wasn't long at all to me.
I I was I didn't even know it was two and a half.
You thought it was slow?
I didn't know it was two and a half.
I was in some places, but what I was thinking about was Mary Shelley.
Like you were saying that, you have to think about the nature of Gothic
literature as a genre and like that time period, they did
drag things on because they didn't have shit to do.
So it was like, it was, you know, and it's kind of like in that one
specifically that you're talking about, like in the Frankenstein, was it called the
Monster or Frankenstein by Mary Shelley?
Frank Frankenstein.
Frankstein.
Frank
So, it was like she,
I think what ends up happening is like he gets jealous
of the woman bonding with the, he loves like the guy, the guy, the guy monster so much.
Like he starts to get jealous of the woman, right?
So like, they have, it's like, we already got it through the
film that like, he was jealous and like, he only wanted him for himself.
That was told like in a quicker, shorter way.
But I feel like in the novel, like it's really drawn out.
It's like exaggerated almost.
It's like he's jealous.
We already got that on like page two, but I'm just going to tell
you he's jealous and show you that he's jealous like 10 more times.
That's such an interesting, I never knew that
the bride of Frankenstein was also part of the original book.
That really adds like a whole nother dynamic to the whole story.
It's interesting that he cut it out.
But, hey, we're going to get a Christian Bale and Maggie Gyllenhaal movie where they're literally playing
to Frankenstein and presumably the Monsters.
I don't know if you guys have seen the trailer for that.
For real?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's being directed by, oh, who's directing it?
I forget.
I can't remember the director, but yeah, it's going to be Christian Bale and Maggie Gyllon.
The trailer's out.
You should watch it.
It looks interesting.
Oh, I love Christian Bale., man.
I just want to say that.
Same.
Same, same.
Have you ever done a a Christian Bale movie?
Uh.
I don't think so, huh?
I don't think so.
No.
No, we've done Steve Jobs.
No, that wasn't Christian Bale.
What am I talking about?
No, I don't know.
We haven't done.
Yeah.
We'll have our research department into it.
But yeah, Donnie, quick rapid fire thoughts on Frankenstein.
I'm a big Del Toro fan.
I think his fingerprints all is all over this one.
I really liked it.
I didn't feel like it dragged on, like I mentioned.
I love the cinematography.
I love the wardrobe.
I love the lighting.
I love everything about it.
So, I wish I was able to see it got released in theaters for a limited time in October.
Um, a month before it came out on Netflix in 35 mil.
So I wish I was able to see it, but the only theaters nearest to me was in
Los Angeles, so I wasn't able to see that.
It's still enjoyable on the small screen, I guess, but that
would have been a sight to behold.
By the way, Healing Laughterpower joins us in the chat
as well as Sheila, who I believe is a friend of yours Arnold, right?
Yes.
Who?
Sheisa, Shalisa.
Sheila..
And then Shib Army Soldier.
I don't know if that's not Justin.
I't remember.
No, no, no.
That's.
His name is also..
I thought it was Justin.
His name was also Victor.
Victor?
Yeah.
Okay.
Welcome, Victor to the chat.
Amber, yeah.
Tell us what your rapid Fire thoughts on Frankenstein?
Okay, first of all, like.
I like, where did he live?
I'm trying to figure out why that big hole was in the middle of the room.
What is that?
I don't know.
I think it was like irrigation purposes.
Like it's like, you know, I don't remember a big hole.
It's like 20 stories of irrigation.
It was like a whole part of the movie where, what's his faceace falls through
the hole with the silver rod.
But the water, like the water would come down and in a tower.
Yeah, they were.
Yeah, it was a tower.
And like, remember when. tower with the hole in the middle.
Yeah, when the monster escapes.
Remember when the monster escapes and like goes to that water slide-esque type of thing?
That's the part of the hole.
That's part of the movie.
I love this looking slide.
Yeah, that place was insane.
It made me anxious the entire time.
I thought someone was going to fall down there.
You know, that one dude did fall down there, but every time I'm just like, oh, he's like, right running, right on the edge.
Chill out.
Right.
That's Christ Whitez, right?
Christoph Wz, Christopher Wz, yeah.
Christophishly was funding this whole experiment
to bring people back from the dead in
order to make so that he could live longer and
then his plan was thwarted by Victor
Frankenstein, who I think kills him, and then he tells the monster.
He's like, oh, yeah, no, he died.
He fell or something.
So don't worry about him.
Yeah.
That's really dangerous architecturally.
It is very dangerous architect. that, Arnold.
Yeah, I mean
It kind of reminds me.
There was a couple things that that reminded me of Game of Thronesats.
I mean Game of Thrones.
Tywin Lannister.
He was the dad of Victor.
Oh, yeah.
Charles Dance, who was fantastic, yeah.
And then that hole, reminded me of the hole in the
tower that we're talking about.
Right, right, right.
The hole remindeded me of.
What other hole is there?
Was it the veil, the House of Veil?
Oh, yeah, the veil in Game of Thrones Game of Thrones.
You remember. throats.
What about the game is that?
Tell us more about the hole in the movie, though.
Just how dangerous architecturally is.
Just very dangerous.
It was just so dumb because like, you can see when he catch it on fire, like, he lives in a whole castle.
Wait, what?
Why did he pick the worst room in the house?
Like, why was he in the room with the big freaking 20 foot, like, 20st like ho, I don't know.
He was waiting for the moment so that he can he can
attach that silver rod that splits like scissors.
Yeah, true.
That was like his leg.
That was the whole purpose.
Yeah, I had to be there.
He was waiting for the moment.
They bring their work home with them.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, that's dedication to your work right there.
Some people bring their work home with them, unfortunately.
They had It had to go through the whole.
Yeah.
Uh- That's a great visual demonstration that our audio.
Audio listeners will appreciate it.
The power from
the lightning Yeah, the lightning that just struck.
Started his car.
And then it was like
Arnold, let me ask you something.
Do you relate it all to the monster in any way, shape or form?
Oh.
How was that?
Nothing.
Maybe hikee-wise.
Yeah.
Oh, okay, yeah.
Well, I don't know.
Jacob Lordy's a tall guy.
How tall are you?
Well, I think he said he's like, what, like, seven?
or something like that?
Yeah.
He's.
Arnold's 5'7", and uh, you know, he gets a...
He's like one number off.
You know?
The monster would do great on Tinder.
He's five, guys..
He's top 5'7".
I'm 5'7".
Arnold is 6'7" with his one foot platforms on.
With my go-go boots?
Yeah.
And he's standing on his third leg.
Yeah, exactly.
What does Hil Epra say?
He says, I relate to the monster.
Oh, heun bro..
Tell us why, and we'll get back to that.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm sure there there's some things,
um, just like how sometimes all I can say is just one word, you know?
Like, uh, there's maybe that..
I'll say Arnold here.
You relate to the monster because of like of the emotions, right?
Like, um, like fear of isolation, fearear
of being accepted as a human being, right?
So, like, there's all these emotions that are connected to that.
Yeah, exactly.
Learning Learning how to read on a daily basis.
Learning how to read.
Yeah..
Acceptance, feeling unlovable because of the way he looks.
There's a lot of like psychology behind it, but Can't be killed.
Yeah.
Isn't Arnie like the only one in that happy marriage?
Yes.
So aside from that.
Aide from that.
I've got my own bride of Frankenstein.
Oh, yeah, that's what Chris.
Oh, are you married as well?
Okay, okay.
I don't was once married.
I was once married, too.
And so was Alex.
We got to bring Kayla in the video sometime.
Oh, yeah. married to the gang.
Oh, there we go.
I I'm not married to the game.
I just charge it to the game.
Oh, let's suck the.
I sucked the soccer.
Wait, what?
Haling Labart says, I
need three inches because I am a misunderstood giant with many pieces from many people that make me.
Oh.
Oh, how poetic.
That's very, yeah.
That's very poetic.
Great.
So, yeah, what do we think?
I mean,
first act of this movie was mostly focused on Victor Frankenstein.
And it was mostly focused on him getting this whole thing up and going.
I don't know.
I felt like that the only the first act to me felt a little rushed.
Did anybody else feel that?
Like, I wanted her to see more from Christoph Walz.
I wanted her to see more from Mia Goth.
I feel like we didn't get enough of either of those characters.
I was like, like I
said before, it was so well cast and there's so many great aspects to this movie
that I wanted more, but like it was so long.
That's why like I wanted a series just like so I can like, I
want to spend two episodes just looking at the dynamic with the family.
It was so interesting to me.
The way that like the basically went through him as a baby boy
all the way through the
first hack ends with Christopher Waltz being introduced, right?
Is that No, it ends with like the tower
being, you know, burning on fire and then crumbling down and shit.
That's the first act?
The first act is Victor focused, and then the second act is the monster focused
that they split it sort of in two.
You know what I mean?
I like that I like how they switched over to the perspective of the.
I don't know. talking about the pacing, like the Irishman, that was too fucking long.
That was like three and a half hours, bro.
That took me like five days to watch.
Real time.
I like the ping.
I mean, like it was fine for me. of the Irishman or No, no, no. of this movie, of this movie.
I like the p of the.
Yeah, I like that pacing of this movie as well..
I don't have a problem with it.
But by the way, who's Christopher Waltz?
Christoph Waltz, is the He was the German guy.
He was in Django.
He was in Inglorious Bastards.
Inglrious B Bastards pain.
The guy who funded the whole thing?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
See, I know him as
he was in most recently Only Only
murders in the building on the last season.
I watch that.
Is that a show?
Yeah, yeah, that's a pretty good series.
I like it.
I don't know he was in that, but he's keeping busy.
Sorry, Chris, were you saying something about the pacing or you were saying something?
I was saying I wish we could have like seen more because
I feel like every scene or every aspect of the movie,
I'm like, we could have spent another like 20, 30 minutes just
like diving into all these really cool characters.
Right.. like in the context of the like classic,
like original story, though, they had to hold true
to like how him being like, like the doctor,
like being isolated led to like his manic like episodes
where he had these crazy ideas and did these things
but like, yeah, like they, I would have
liked to see more like character development with the family dynamics and stuff like that too.
Yeah.
What do you guys think was the weakest character?
Weakest.
Honestly, Victor, right?
The doctor, like.
Really?
What's wrong with him?
Like, he's just being crazy.
Like, he's doing too much.
Just be a lone, dog.
Be alone the window as in least
developed or weakest character.
character.
Yeah, no, just in terms of like, yeah, like, you felt like maybe they weren't developed enough.
Maybe they didn't flesh them out as much.
I feel like be a goth, but not because she didn't make a.
Yeah. not enough because she didn't make a good performance, but because they didn't spend the time to develop that character.
Agree you have a the younger brother.
That's another good one.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
They just like a brother.
Like, oh, yeah, he's a great financier now.
Yeah.
He owned the estate, right?
I believe so.
Yeah, controlling.
Well, anyways, yeah, I think he was probably the
the weakest character.
Victor and his brother inherited some stuff
from their dad, played by Charles Dance, and then Christoph Waltz
bankrolled the experimentation with bringing the
dead back to life, I believe is what happened right.
But the brother had the he had his inheritance from Charles Dance.
Yeah, I think he he had the inheritance, but he also
His strength wasn't
money, but it was power.
He was able to get an audience for victory.or
when you know, to be able to go in front of, like present his
thing in like his findings in front of that, you know, whatever
Right.
And like far quicker than he could have done on his own.
I think that he had more, like his power was of influence, not financially.
Power, influence, finances, that never leads to anything bad.
How about the other side of that?
Who would you guys think was like the strongest character?
The strongest character.
Honestly, the monster.
Easy.
Yeah.
Easier than monster.
Physically.
I see Jacob Elordi in two things.
Altburn and
Euphoria Euporia here?
You know, he's okay and he's good in those shows.
I always am weary of like a pretty boy actor that's on the
up and up because I'm thinking like, oh, are they just getting successful because they're a pretty pretty boy?
But like, in this movie where he's covered in makeup
and shit and he barely talks with a good chunk of it, I'm like, wow,
like Jacob Bellorty is not just a pretty face.
Like the guy can act.
Yeah, I thought he had a great face for Frankenstein.
I mean, for the creature.
For the creature, for the monster.
I mean, he didn't even talk, right?
Like It was just like all movements.
Yeah.
The physicality was amazing.
Yeah.
That was great.
I just like, is that accurate?
Like, why is he so ripped?
You know what?
They weren't planning any of that.
They just put the camera on Jacob Alard.
He's literally chained up in the basement. his entire life, but he looked like.
whatever these are. push-up. push-ups the whole time.
Didn't Wasn't he able to like pick and choose the body parts
Yeah, yeah.
That's what.
He probably like, the best specimens of like the best.
Why wouldn't you?
We have our tournament on it.
We're going to give you a pop belly, but everything else is going to be..
He's like, we're going to give you plumbers above.
We're going to give you plumber our ears.
Oh, my God, yeah.
Jason Alexander should play the monster in the next iteration of Frankenstein.
Like, that's a more active accurate representation.
Danny DeVito.
Danny Hogan.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, if you want him to stay with you forever, why I make him hot?
Like, you know he's more.
You're
You gotta make him ugly.
My private chat here. the people commenting,
they're saying, you know, I was speaking about like, oh, picking all the best parts.
Oh, but they didn't put he didn't have the biggest bulge.
I don't know who it I don't know.
It's just user 846732799' at the 30 minute mark.
If you want to Can you show that in screen, Arnold?
Can you show that screen on?
That looks like notes.
That looks like.
No, no, no, no, no.
Tell us what kind of bulge we should have been expecting on a creature.ready
As you do your hip curs?
Yeah.
Like, he might not even have one.
Yeah.
I've never seen him go peee.
I don't know.
Oh, that's true.
He didn't go poop or pee or nothing.
You.
But he did enjoy those beerries with the deer.
Oh, man, what a cute moment.
The development
of the creature.
Okay, yeah, you're right.
You You should really learn to talk while you're doing that..
I would love to see that.
Like, have a conversation while you're doing your hips of.
Don, I feel like you were going to say something earlier.
I apologize.
Oh, yeah, no, I was going to say Jacob Oorti's character, like throughout the movie.
You know how he gets basically
uh, the old man helps him out, like helps him read, helps him develop his skills..
His accent slowly changes throughout the movie.
Like he starts picking up that Yorkish accent of the old man.
Did you did not pick up up on that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I't.
I just wanted to say like, the
just the dedication to being treated at character was incredible on Jacob Bellardi's part.
I mean, it was intentional, of course.
But yeah.
Did you notice this is a running theme now, right?
The sage old wizard, right?
Yes.
Artype.
That was the old man.
That was his Obi-Wan.
That was his Gandalf.
That was his, you know, so on and saw that, you know, Benicio del Toro doing the dance.
You know, a few small beers
type of guy.
And that whole sequence was
great, by the way, where he's hiding out in the house and like the family's there and there's whatever drama.
I. spirit of nature, the spirit of nature.
That was so cool.
Yeah, the spirit of the forest.
The spirit of the forest.
He's just all right.
Chilling with the rats..
Chilling with the rats.
Dude, those rats became his friends.
They were just like hanging out and chillinging on his coat and everything.
Yeah, they' stupid wolves..
I think that was like my favorite part of that movie, like that whole, that just that whole.
Oh, yeah.
Was it the wolves that killed the old man or was it somebody else?
I can't remember now.
It was.
It was the wolves.
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, they broke it.
Bad dog.
They to him up, yeah.
He was trying to save him, but remember?
They just him.
There's.
Toro really likes telling stories where like the sage person
dies or gets hurt really bad.
You know what I mean?
Like he, I feel like he has that in almost every movie he's done.
I did like that moment between
the creature and the old man because the wolves absolutely
destroy the old man.
Frankenstein or the creature props
him up on the chair and Frankenstein or the monster immediately goes into
dude, you, you're going to lose your mind,
but I'm a monster and like starts talking about himself in his last moments.
I thought he's very well read by that point, too.
He was like, quoting books that he read with the old man.
Yeah, but I just thought it was funny.
Like, it was just so about him
in the moment when he's dying.
He's like, I I know you just got tornorn shreds, but let me tell you about me.
Let's make Are you okay?
I think that's it's a very funny moment,
but at the same time, it's kind of like, like he's that old man is the only person that would understand.
You know what I mean?
He like, he, like this discovery that the monster has, like, I'm a monster.
Like
you know, but this guy who has shown me shown kindness to me.
He didn't have to see, like, he didn't have his sight or anything,
but he was like, he was such a, like, like
a, you know, like a fatherly figure.
Yeah. kind of like, you know, he's the one that actually truly cared.
And I think that goes a long way to like show
character development of the monster, you know?
I think the real monster
is inside of us.
You know what I mean?
Continue.ing off what like Alex said.
You can see the development of the creature or the monster.
It's like when when the scientist is interacting with him,
right, his creator, it's like he's he's so mean to him and it like that's he only knows his name, right?
He doesn't he can't he can't he gets frustrated at him because he's trying to
develop him, but he does it in such a mean way.
But then when you have the characters like the old man or even like Mia Goth
character where refers to the creature as him versus it,
it's like it really shows that he, you know, takes to that well and learns and develops.
Donnie has a fellow dad here.
Like, did you relate to any of, like, the frustration of like, trying to
explain things to someone like, just from that sort of like, father son dynamic sort of?
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, it's like, it's natural to like be frustrated at
times and then you have to like take step back and realize that
they don't process at the level that you do as an adult, right?
And so, yeah, of course, I think that's a part of like learning how to
be a parent and learning how to parent correctly.
You know?
I feel like the biggest lesson from that, too, is that it's what they're trying to show is
kindness towards that
monster went further with him his
developmentment as opposed to the anger, the
hatred, the frustration that Victor
Frankenstein showed towards the monster..
You know?
Yeah, it didn't give him him to develop.
That's true.
Negative energy towards him didn't
allow the monster to develop.forcement?
Yeah, positive reinforcement was like, went a long way.
I think that ties in really well to
Lady Elizabeth and Victor having
that conversation right before the wedding.
And Victor's all trying to like feign compassion
with her and try to like, oh, own up to my sins and try to be a decent human being.
And she's like, stop a lying dude..
Like, that's not who you are.
Like, you're lying to me right now.
And I think that, like, to tie it back to what you're saying, Alex, like,
Victor was, the creature was such an emotional being, ironically.
It had so much depth that even when
he only knew Victor, right, he
could feel like he wasn't truly like being loved or appreciated.
Yeah.
Well, oh, also, like the way he would save Victor,
he was it's not that he he, it's not that fact.
It's the fact that like, yeah, he only knew that word of
that name at the time, just Victor.
But he was able to enunciate it in very different emotions.
Like Victor, you know.
like Victor.
Oh, no, at the end when he was like, say it again,
like, like, like when that was the only thing that when it meant something to
you, I was like, when it was like a baby or
not a baby or first put together, it's like, you probably learned Victor because
he took the time because he is his creation and he loved it, right?
He's like, oh, this is amazing
And then just like a child, you start getting frustrated with it's
frustrated with it and he start being mean to it and taking advantage of the fact.
That was heartbreaking.
There was that reason why he's acting like that is because it's the parallel with how his dad treated him.
His dad pushed him too hard to be that scientist doctor type like he was.
And then he never, I don't think he ever really got to figure out who he was and what he wanted to do.
So then he's doing the same thing to his son, the creation and the monster and everything.
I felt like he didn't know any other way how to be like a leader.
That's how his dad was a leader.
So that's all he knew.
I like that.
That's how he was taught.
And so that's how he ended up, you see a similar path,
like, how he handled and how he was like, you know, get frustrated
and like, you know, crack almost like with the crack,
cracking, not crapping, cracking the whip.
Cracking the whip..
ing international trauma and it's fast.
Shout out to Charles D being able to have a kid at his rival age of
like 80 or whatever, you know, like still got a good sperm, apparently, that guy.
Tai.
Tai.
I'm just saying.
You're going to say something, Donald,
speaking which, birthday boy, belated birthday.
Oh, thank you.
Oh, happy birthday.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
All you now..
Let's not talk about that.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
I was just going to say what Amber had mentioned.
That was like Del Toro's like spin on his version, right?
Like, he made this more about like masculine arrogance where the whole father son relationship.
Like you kind of, you kind of follow that path.
Whereas like the original Mary Shelley, I mean, Mary Shelley was like, was like a feminist.
She wrote this at 18 and her inspiration for the film came from
her, she was pissed off at her husband, who wasn't
really her ideal version of a husband and wasn't there.
and at the same time, they had lost a child.
So that that's kind of where the original story came from when she was writing it.
So it's completely like this is a completely different,
like, it's coming from a different place, like from the way Del Toro put a spin on it.
I wouldn't say it's like a purist would probably be upset.
It's a great film, but it's definitely not like true to the
original Mary Shelley version, right?
That's a great point because what I was going to ask next was like big picture wise,
what do we think the monster represents?
Like, you just answered it in terms of like what Mary Shelley's original interpretation was.
But for the rest of you, like,
I guess maybe to you as an individual, what do you think it represents the monster represents?
That's just like that monster is what his dad did to him.
Like that's like inside of him.
That's like what, you know what I mean?
When you're abused, like you got, he got that dog in him.
The monster.
Let me ask you this, Amber.
Have you ever felt like an outsider?
An outsider?
Yeah.
Like your own version of the monster.
Yes.
Or Frankenstein himself.
Okay.
Dude, I try to be like a girl and a woman so hard, not.
And my dad wasn't having it.
What's stopping you?
I having it.
The patriarchy?
I don't.
And that's how I still am.
Yeah, my dad like, you a bitch.
I'm like, all right, I can't act like that.
Dead ass.
So, yeah, that's, I feel it.
I feel it.
Yeah.
In fairness, I've been called a bitch too throughout my life.
So, you know, I'm with you on that.
It's not always a bad thing, man.
Like, hey, I'd rather be tough than weak.
That's That's a good point.
Chris, I feel like you were going to say something as well.
Have you ever felt like either Victor or the monster
in your life?
I's too nice of a guy if you feel like, you know, you're too nice of a guy for that.
Yeah, I'm, I'm just the brother that dies at the
end who gets his head smashed in right before his sweating.
Oh, my God.
Which, by the way, terrible payoff.
I almost didn't feel anything towards the brother, sadly.
I was purely worried about Elizabeth.
He was just kind of there, you know?
He just was kind of there.
He was there.
He could have said it better.
You could have almost taken him out and just had him everything having to do with him be off screen, and it would have still worked, I think.
Correct.
Like, did he add anything?
I don't know.
But
to bring it back to Frankenstein
and the creature, I think what the movie
does really well is show that like
they're the extremes, right?
So you have the extreme of what life looks
like when you become obsessed, when you don't
process your generational trauma, right?
Your worst version of yourself continues to live on.
And when you don't learn from that, when you don't accept
these sort of faults
that you have and learn from them, you become the
bad guy, even though he had all the intentions of just.. doing some really cool stuff.
Right?
Like, he had high aspirations and he executed it.
But in the process, he lost himself.
He lost his family.
He lost everything he cared about
because he wasn't willing to look himself in the mirror and go, you know what?
Something's not right here.
I shouldn't be doing this.
Yeah.
That's great.
Wow.
I love that.
Have you ever taken a class?
I feel like you're a very well connected to the universe type of person, Chris.
It's all these non-alcoholic mickel ball chest.
No, he just listens to the cure sometimes.
Oh
That was all.
That's very nice..
That was good.
You don't well he digested that, the movie.
And I appreciate you vomiting that
out to me and for me to digest Oh, so good.
We fall that baby burning.
Yeah, little.
Is that like that kind of?
There you go.
That was gross, Anals.
Well, I mean,
I got visuals.
I got visals. you know, like, a little bird, you know, like,
like a mama bird kind of chewing and stuff.
It's still gross.
And then it's an I'm like you a receive.
I will give you a receive.
Like Alicia Alicia Silverstone feeding her baby..
Do you guys remember that?
What?
Was that?
She used to like, she got some heat because she would chew up the food and then like spit it into the baby.
Oh, God.
In real life?
Yeah.
What are we talking about?
Clueless, Alicia Silverstone, she got got some heat back into J year.
That's real life, though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
C.
You know what?
Those of you who have worked with Arnold and Chris, do they do that in real life?
Have they JD Birded?
Yeah, let us know a secrets, Chad.
Chad.
Not tell the truth, Ch.
Do not tell the truth.
I'm glad Alicia Silverstone died in Bugonia just for that alone.
You know what I mean?
I didn't even realize that was her until I saw the credits rolling and I was like, I, oh, damn.
Yeah, I like.
That's kind of a slap in the face.
Like, I start in one of the biggest pop culture hits of the 90s
and you're going to put me in a couple scenes where I'm sick and dead and then you barely see my face.
I hope she got paid low for that.
I wasn't she did.
Maybe 56 years old.
Yeah, she's she's been around, you know?
I mean yeah.
Tyler, the creator in an interview said that he's
like, you're your ghost, please put me in your movies.
He's like, I will play a janitor and I will like like do any role.
Like I could just be on the screen for two seconds.
I would just want to be in.
And, you know, and maybe that's why, like, what Alicia Silverson did.
She just wanted to be in the movie.
She didn't care what the role was.
Yeah.
All right, guys.
Well, hey, we're at the 45 minute mark.
I feel like it's about that time unless we have more more to say about Frankenstein.
Yeah, that last act with Jacob Lordy was fantastic.
His whole journey
from, being born
to learning, to becoming basically basically a human, you.
And then the way the framing device of
this whole thing being told by Oscar Isaac's
character, Victor in the ship, I thought that was, I thought that
was a unique way to like, I wasn't expecting it to be a flashback
framing device.
So really quick, like, what did you guys think about that?
Did you guys know that he used a real ship, like for this scene?
Wait, what?
Well, about that.
Yeah.
They built He didn't want to do digital because he said it would take away from it.
So he he got a real fucking.
You better win.
Fuck digital.
Yeah.
And he fucking put it on a gimimble to make it move.
But there's no digital stunts either.
It was all actual actors to do to stunts.
Pretty cool.
I I have to win best at
design because that's that's's insane.
Enormous sets, dude.
Crazy.
Don't tell me they went all the way to like
Antarctica to film that Alaska.
I don't think so.
And they really build.ature.
Oh, that's the craziest part.
That's crazy for you.
What do we think?
Well, actually, on that note, aesthetically, design-wise,
what do we think about this interpretation of of the monster
You know, because we're all used to the square head, the bulbs coming out the neck.
I really like the interpretation.
This felt real, yeah.
Yeah, it felt very much like
how it should be, you know, like if you were to think about how a
a scientist who was trying to do
something like, like that in in that era,
you know, it would be very hackneyed and
very, like kind of, you know, but it would also be together.
Yeah, but it would also be, you know, like I
said, he was being able to choose the best parts
of like his, you know, for his experiment.
Basically, this is that's what it was in an experiment.
It looked more human, right?
I mean, he is a monster, but I think it gives the character
that ability to grow and and show more of those emotions
that they are trying to capture in the film too.
You want to humanize a character like that.
Yeah, definitely.
You want to people to have people connect to it.
The fact that the monster grew hair
the fact that the monster, not just the fact
that it was able to do that, it ate, you showed it it eating.
Right.
So hee Didn't he with the long hair kind of reminded you of the crow a little bit?
I got that.
Regeneration?
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, like, didn't I give you like serious crow vibes a little bit?
Crow
Definitely.
Dude, he sat through 10 hours of makeup daily for that shit.
That's crazy. crazy.
That's crazy.
I feel like the monster is more like medically accurate in this one,
too, because like, why would an actual doctor put
like screws and stuff in the post and like, what kind of surgegeon does that?
To hold his head in place.
Come on.
I's kidding me.
What was I wonder if if he was actually
banking on the fact that it could heal, too.
The monster could heal.
You know?
Oh, maybe.
Over metal?
No, no, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The scientists version.
Yeah, yeah.
No, no.
Yeah, that's a good point.
While we're talking about the body, this, I don't really
freak out or get weird about body horror stuff,
but there's a scene where he's trying to figure out
like the last pieces to putting like the last puzzle pieces to get in the creature right.
Yeah.
And it's like the full body
on the table, like hunched over and he's
like, oh, and he's putting like the metal rods into the back and it's kind of like open.
Yeah.
And when he's like figures it out and puts it on the
other side of his vertebrae because they're switched and
the monster comes alive and it's like the face isn't on
all the way.
It's like a different version and then his like bloody jaw was coming.
I was like, that is the craziest, coolest scene.
I was like legitimately like, oh my gosh, that was terrifying.
Dude, remember what the scene at the in the cabin when
the monster rips off the jaw from that guy?
Yeah, that was crazy.
g garly special effects.
It it pull punches when it comes to gore.
It loves to show, though.
I don't feel like it was like too weirdly over the top.
Like it felt raw.
It felt like it was of the time, too.
Yeah.
I feel like it was like, he was the way he would like rip off people's limbs in the jaw.
It was like him reacting by just grabbing onto whatever he could, you know?
He pulled that guy's arms off just because that's the first thing he could grab onto
I'm sure if he..
There reminded me of Mortal Kombat like Jax's fatality.
Oh,
He would just punch through someone's chest.
The early creature before he grew hair,
you were talking about like, oh, what reminded me.
It reminded me of Segat from
Street Fighter., for some reason.
No, that's Oh, yeah, yeah.
Joss. kind of reminded more of Dalsum.
Dal The way Dalsum was like dressed up, you know,
because they were like the very, like the bandage and like the wraps and stuff like that.
Kind of remind me of the Player 2 version of Dalsum.
I can't wait for that movie to come out now anyway.
This rendition looks pretty fucking sick.
Better than the band Dam one, is going to be for sure.
I don't know.
Van Damme.
N.
I don't know what can beat JCD.
TV?
Yeah, I seen him up in a Netflix like B-list movie or something.
He's a lot older now, obviously.
We.
We need to watch JCVD.
That's such a good movie.
That's There's a movie called J.
You haven't seen that?
JCVD?
I haven't seen it.
I know what it's talking about.
He's still made a movie after himself.
I don't want B. Well, no.
It.
Have you guys ever done Blood Sport?
Yeah, we did.
Oh, you did?
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Yeah, we did do Blood.
That was one of Arnold's movies.
But, it's a movie based around his life.
Somebody else wrote it, but they wrote it for him.
Because they were like it was kind of like an like semi-autobiographical story.
And it's it's like actually one of his best like
acting roles, to be honest.
He's He's in it?
Like, he's in it as well?
And he's literally in it.
Like, he plays himself.
But a version of like, this guy wrote,
but it's still based off of like the sad story of his life.
You know, I was going to ask you if it was probably accurate.
Oh, yeah.
But since he's in it, he's probably..
Yeah, he probably had his hands in bed a lot.
Yeah.
I wonder if he did the splits in it.
That's what I want to know.
I'm sure he did.
I can't remember.
The people on the stream are asking
their private stream?
Yeah.
Arnold.
The private stream.
Just bring your private stream this stream.
Don't be so selfish.
We need to consolidate the streams on.
Show your stream..
Like in Ghostbusters Yeah, go pee. consolidate the stream.
That's your stream.
Yeah, the stream.
The thing is, I don't want to get ours together stream canceled
because there this is kind of wild.
Well, this is still a private stream.
Nobody's going to see it.
Yeah.
Let's bring it back.
Let's talk about the movie.
Bring it back.
All right, yeah, let's do final thoughts.
I think we're at that point.
How do you guys, what do you guys think?
I feel like we We're almost at that point where Arnold swivels is hips again.
Oh, yeah.
I think Arnold should go first just
so he could give his review while still his hips.
While swiveling the hips.
I don't know that when he did that
little move, I searched Epstein Files for him.
No, no, no. did a Google image search?
Y'all were telling me when I first came into this group, oh, Arnie knows a lot of rich people.
Okay, it's starting to make sense.
I think I know what rich people you're talking about.
Arnie the Californian findingancier?
Is that I do?
Not our army.
I see you a screenshot now, Amber.
That's funny.
Final thoughts.
Let's start with you, Amber.
What are your final thoughts on Frankenstein and where can people find you?
My final thoughts on Frankenstein are people got
to stop letting their childhood trauma, carry
them through the rest of their life, and then
I don't like how it.
But how else will we do a podcast?
I'm just kidding.
Every movie's about that.
It's getting old.
And especially when we have to live it too.
Come on, LA.
And literally I didn't like how he was treating the monster.
He was mean to him
And it was it was crazy for like a period piece.
Like you guys said, like the set design and all that was insane.
So I definitely hope they win that one.
And you guys can find me at that Denver Girl on Instagram.
Awesome.
Well, thank you for that.
Donning, what you, what are your final thoughts on Frankenstein?
I loved it.
I mean, there's like probably like hundreds and hundreds of versions of Frankenstein's.
And I haven't watched all of them, but I mean, this is the best one that I've seen.
Also, I like Del Toro.
That's a plus.
It's fingerprints again, like I said, it''s all over this. set design, costume design.
Everybody, acting the cast was really good.
The lighting was good, cinematography.
I think I'd mentioned all that already.
But his attention to detail, I think, was 100%, and I really liked it.
I'm going to give it a four out of five.
You can find me at underscore Donnie Appleseed.
And, yeah.
Oh, shout out to the makeup artist.
His name is Mike Hill, so he worked on this set.
I think I think he did incredible.
So, yeah, that was one of my favorite parts of the movie was the way he was able to pull that off.
Nice, nice, nice.
Thank you for that.
Chris, Mr. Milkman America.
Final thoughts on Frankenstein.
Yeah.
I really struggled with rating
this because there's so many things that are done well in this
movie and everything from the craft
side obviously knocked it out of the park.
The cinematography, the costume, the makeup, the set design, all of that.
It was cash relief well.
I feel like all the actors lived up to
uh, their roles, uh, with what they were given.
Uh, I feel like, uh, Chris, uh, Christoph Waltz,
um, was fantastic, uh, I
hated Victor, so he did a great job.
The creature was hot to answer your previous question.
I do think the creature is the hottest of all of the
actors.
But bring it back to the story,
I feel like it was such a great, unique take on it.
And there were so many really great choices made to
make it ironically a more modern take
on a dated piece, a Gothic piece.
There was just a for me
personallyally, I just wish it was we were able
to dive into these really complicated relationships a little bit more.
And I felt like it would have been a better movie.
But I don't know how you do that when it was already a two and a half high movie.
So
I gave it a 3.5.
Sorry, back to-back week.
But I thought it was really great.
I don't want that 3.
Oh, I'll raise it to a four.
I have to, just for the craft alone.
I give it a four and you can find me everywhere at America.
Awesome.
Thank you for that, Chris.
We appreciate that, Alex..
Final thoughts and where can people find you?
I truly love this film a lot.
The Guermo del Toro remains one of my favorite directors
The message is
rife with his political stance, you know,
the idea that
only monsters play God gods, that's
the tagline of the film is such, it resonates throughout the film.
Like you see it and yeah, the monster is
the monster, but the real monster is the people
who like, you got people like, you know, not just
Victor Frankenstein, but like the financier.
He's kind of a monster because like he's trying to control this whole narrative
to like be able to like save himself, right?
Those two characters and like there's
probably other characters I could point out like at the time.
Whenever I enjoy a movie a lot, like I have
a heart hard time writing notes because I'm just so like enthralled by it, you know.
And this is one of those films I just kept on just watching it.
Overall, this film was just an incredible film, really well made.
The casting is excellent.
It was just excellent.
I think Jacob Lardy.
He nailed it.
He was such a good monster.
Overall, love this film.
I give it a four and a half out of five, and you can find me
on all the socials, Daily Dare.
Nice.
Did you guys know there was a 1994 Frankensteinstein movie
directed by Kenneth Bronno, who plays Victor Frankenstein and Robert De Niro as the monster
Robert De Niro played the monster in this 1994 version.
Helenena Bonham Carter is Elizabeth.
Bobby D?
Can you imagine that?
Like,, hey, you talking to me?
I don't know.
Like, would you even, I have to watch that one just because it's got, I'
be like anything anything with De Niro, even though the movie's bad, like, you have to watch it for De Niro.
Anyways, Arnold, it's your turn now, my friend, then, you know, comes after that.
But yeah, is my turn. final thoughts.
And I was also, I know, every 30 minutes, but I
can wait 33 minutes for the next
A little stretch.
Are you able to tell us your final thoughts as you're doing that, though?
Because I feel like, uh...
I thought that
I mean, this movie, it was really great.
It was great.
There's a lot that I feel that you can really dig into.
I mean certain parts where even going back to Tywin Lannister,
I don't.
The dad, when he's talking about like,
oh, the heart and how woman's heart was
like 8 to 10 ounces and the man's heart is 9 to 11 ounces.
And I just feel like that if I were to watch it again
that you'd be able to pull another little nugget.
Yeah.
This is good.
You know, they say...
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Can you at least show us some butt we're men, dude?
Moving your body and thinking and talking about what you're thinking is actually a good
exercise in.
Thank you.
And elaborating on thoughts.
But you're disappearing because of the the.. blue screens.
So don't even well, he's.
Oh, there we go.
I pull out the one.
Sorry.
Yeah.
I'm going to have to redact that part of the podcast, p.
So Alex is eating a burrito and Arnold's got cake
Yeah.
Yes, we do.
Okay.
Well, what's what's your rating, letterbox rating?
Oh,?
So, um My
letterbox rating, I give it a four and a half out of five.
I thought it was really great.
I do get Christopher Chris, where you
were saying how like, I mean, okay, the movie was very rewarding.
I thought it was great, but if you were to dive deeper into
all the characters and develop it,
oh, how much more rewarding that would be, but this is the movies.
Two and a half hour long movie.
I thought it was really good.
The pacing was good.
I do feel that
Mia Goth, that they could have done a little bit more.
I was going to mention the chat was saying, anybody out there that
think thought that Victor and Elizabeth were going to do it?
I don't know.
We'll leave that to the audience.
And never once crossed my mind.
Open it's up to Arnold's imagination.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, they put the in my mind, so now I'm imagining it.
I didn't I didn't think it through.
From the Christophe guy
who financed the whole thing to Jacob Bordy,
to Oscar Isaac, man, they all did really great.
And I think very worthy of the Oscar nomination,
the Saturn Awards nomination, which,
you know, if anybody's going to be there
at the Satin Awards, you know, I'll be there to
help you out and direct you.
I don't know what I'm going to be doing there.
I think Del Toro will be there again.
It's nominated for for a best horror film.
So I don't know.
And so
is Good Boy.
Good Boy and Siners.
You know, callbacks.
Sorry, all the twerking kind of I
trying to play cool.
Okay, but I'll be real.
That's hard work, guys.
We' We' going to pull that part of the show to Snorehub.
So, yeah.
Doore or snort Hub?
Snore, snore.
Oh, oh.
Just replace his square with like a snorlax
and then make that voice, like, that breathing noise.
Yeah, yeah.
So final rating, a four and a half out of five.
I really love the ending
That was beautiful, of, oh, especially, you know,
when Victor's dying and he's and they have had that moment where
he's like, he says, Victor again one more time.
And then he says, now we can both be human.
Victor, he dies.
And then the creature
he was wanting to end it,
but like, you know, he can't die.
And he just, he's having to face it, that he won't be able to die.
And that was just, if I
die, you know, I'll think about it more.
And it's just going to, I'll have a like different,
I don't know, Eiphanies or different like little little,
oh, gold golden nugget moments or brown nugget moments when I'm on the toilet
You know what's at the ending two,
you already talking about how he like if he ends the whole
story with like a final act of kindness by helping
the ship. was really, that was really beautiful moment.
I like that.
That was.
Total audience, pleasing moment, but it.
It almost like illustrates how like, even though he's a monster,
like it's the humans that are really like the fucking monsters, man.
He's a sweet one.
Look at the dad, look at the, yeah.
Yeah, that's the thesis..
But the correlation to what's going on there.
He gets into them out of there and they're
like, oh, dude, this this dude just, you just saved us, we're going home.
I want to New York Times.
We're going home.
Oh, yeah.
We're going, we won't need
boats.
Yeah, but your final score on Letterbox, what would you give it?
Four and a half out of five.
Ooh.
I don't know what's keeping it from a perfect.
I think.
It's like the third time you has to.
Yeah.
It was like you asked already.
I was I was like, he already gave it, bro.
He game time?
No, he gave it already.
Oh, And I'm saying it like this the first time.
Give it a four and a half out of five.
You can find me Arnie Calowhere,
everywhere, everything on that thing.
Alexa, enter out the part where I end up.
Okay, Arnold, well, my favorite part of the show, it's coming.
You know, it's here.
The Arnold.
Susan.
All right.
That was wrong.
What?
He likes that.
I thought he just like, dead for a second.
I can' look like that.
Somebody.
I don't know.
Somebody had had like did an AI with a CPAP match that looks like.
I'm not sure.
Poor thing.
That's the official snooze demeanor.
What do you want me to say?
You know?
Yeah, Arnold.
So, yeah, Sumeanor score.
Tell us about it.
I mentioned it earlier.
I did fall asleep.
But it's because I was, I started watching
it when I was, it was late. and I was kind of tired.
I had a full day at work.
It's been busy.
We had a lovely dinner of
of chicken parm with pasta and green beans.
And then on the second course was...
What?
Salmon with mashed potatoes and cauliflower and carrots?
Second dinner.
Yeah, yeah.
That's great.
You know, it was really good.
Yeah.
With a her herb aioli.
Oh, so That's so nice.
I'm eating chicken tenders.
Ooh, chicken tendies?
That's the same.
Ooh.
Wait, you have chicken tenders?
You can afford to.
Oh, wait.
You can't eat green beans with spaghetti.
What are you talking about?
No, no, no.
It was with chicken parm.
I thought chicken parm with spaghetti and chicken.
Yeah, yeah.
That's true.
But then, you know, well, when I have some vegetables,
you know, to have a balance. is.
I mean, I wanted to keep it nice and light, you know, those two meals.
But, you know, I still, um, I still fell asleep.
But, but I felt.
Oh, yeah.
So, uh, like halfway through the movie, I think we kind of mentioned how
the pacing of it, it kind of got a little bit slow.
That's when I paused it, and it had a bowl of cereal.
What kind of cereal?
Honey bunches of oats and honey nut cereals.
Gosh, man, you guys had like the munchies.
Did you really eat all of that?
once?
Did you mix the honey bunches out and materials
at the same time, or did you have two consecutive bowls?
So the first bowl, I had a honey bunch ofches of oats.
And then you know what with the leftover milk, it was still, I was like, oh, man, what a waste.
So then so I had a second bowl
of honey Bunches of votats.
You know what I do with the milk?
I just drink it.
I don't need to more cereal.
I don't need to add more cereal.
Just drink milk.
I know what.
I do the same, by the way.
I don't like.
It was more delicious, though to have a have a second ball.
Yeah.
It hit.
Maybe that's what did it for me.
Maybe that's what put me to sleep.
Because that was like..
That shouldn't have woken you up with all that sugar.
It did for a little bit, but then, you know, the last 20 minutes, cance out.
All healthy.
All healthy, yeah. rich in omega fatty acids,
high protein, very lean
Lycopine from the tomato
sauce and antioxants from all the vegetables.
Yeah, and high in calories, too, dang, all those calories.
Not to mention all the.
Good killerories.
Healthy calories.
Yeah.
I just watched the documentary.
I forgot what it was called, but it was talking about how cereal was created to push
the initiative of milk being healthy.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
I was like, that's wild.
That is crazy.
But I do like honey bunches of oats.
You might as well just drink ice cream for breakfast.oh oats. ice cream is good, actually.
So the snooze and meteer rating?
Oh.
It's tough.
There's like an asteris to it.
There's an asteris to it, and I give it A.
Quarter
Z, which is equivalent to 10 milligrams.
So they're very small.
It's almost almost
nothing,most nothing, but requires
The movie requires you full attention, of course.
Yeah.
Awesome.
That. leaves the last, but best
for last, Mr. BW, TZ2, Adrian.
What's your final?
Final score?
And where can we find you?
That was good, Arnold.
Good stuff.
I went into Frankenstein a little apprehensive.
The online chatter had been all over the place, and I wasn't sure which version of the movie I was walking into
But all the noise quickly disappeared almost right away.
Oscar E gives a phenom performance as Victor Frankenstein
playing withic feels equal parts brilliant and self-destructive.
He's so determin to rean the dead that there's no line he won't cross.
Isaac makes Victor both monstrous and tragic, often in the same breath.
It was also a great surprise seeing Charles Dance and Christoph
Waltz pop up, even if their characters were short-
Their presence adds weight to the world grounding the film early
before Del Toro takes us into more emotional and brutal territory.
I love that the movie is told through two flashback perspectives.
The first from Victor's POV and the second from the Monsters.
And it's in that second half where the film becomes something special.
Jacob Bellardy as a monster as a true standout.
The amount he communicates just through his eyes, his posture, the tiny trumles in his face.
It's a master class.
His portion of the narrative is also the most emotionally devastating,
especially as he slowly learns how to think, speak, and feel with
the help of a kind, blind man who has then killed by wolves.
It's brutal, intimate, and unforgettable.
Mia God's character is the only other character who truly sees a monstr's humanity.
She meets him with the empathy rather than fear, and it gives the film a much needed emotional anchor.
But I do wish that her character were more developed.
We needed a little more time with her, more of her dynamic with Victor,
to make her death at his hands hit even harder.
It still works, but it could have been a knockout punch.
What really stayed with me was the monster's arc toward forgiveness.
After all the violence, death, and betrayal, the film lands
on this unexpectedly tender father son theme,
not subtle, but beautifully executed.
Overall, this is easily one of my favorite movies of the year.
Del Toro continues to prove he's one of the greatest visual storytellers
working today, even when the performances veer toward theatrical.
Everything
the cinematography, the set design, the costumes, the operatic
tone, comes together in a way that completely works.
This is Frankenstein told with heart, horror, and true artistry.
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Any final thoughts from the crowd.
Don't.
Wow.
I was just going to say, don't let the 2.5 hour runtime deter you from watching this movie.
It's a really good movie.
Yeah.
And I gave it four stars, by the way.
I didn't mention that.
I. Did I miss your rating?
So you gave it four, four stars on.
And I loved it.
And also, they should cast
Jacob Villardi as Dalsum if they haven't.
Oh, yeah.
I wonder who is playing Dulum in the Street Fighter movie.
I don't know.
Street Fight.
I don't know what's Dawson?
What do you mean?
From Street Fighter?
Dawson from Street Fighter.
Yeah.
Street Fighter.
I don't know Street Fighter, but