In this episode of The Never Seen It Podcast, we dive into Train Dreams (2025), the haunting, existential period drama directed by Clint Bentley and starring Joel Edgerton and Felicity Jones. We unpack the film’s quiet power, devastating themes of grief and loss, the symbolism of the railroad era, and whether this “plotless” movie still delivers emotional impact.
In this episode of The Never Seen It Podcast, we take a deep, thoughtful, and often hilarious look at Train Dreams (2025), the Clint Bentley–directed period drama starring Joel Edgerton, Felicity Jones, and a scene-stealing William H. Macy .
Chosen by special returning guest Chris (MilkmanAmerica), Train Dreams is described as “a thinking movie and a feeling movie” that challenges the idea of what it means for a film to be entertaining . Rather than focusing on traditional plot, the movie observes the quiet, often brutal life of a logger during the early 20th century as America undergoes massive industrial change.
We talk about how the film feels intentionally “plotless” and why the narration is essential to grounding us in Robert’s internal life . With minimal dialogue and a slow, meditative pace, the movie asks us to sit with grief, silence, and memory instead of chasing spectacle.
Existential themes and the fragility of life
The devastating loss of Robert’s wife and daughter in the cabin fire
William H. Macy as the “Gandalf” archetype and why his death is so symbolic
The brutal realities of the railroad era and racial violence against Chinese workers
Whether Joel Edgerton “carries” a film the way Leonardo DiCaprio does
The meaning behind the sudden, shocking death of Apostle Frank
Why the movie feels like a meditation on grief rather than a traditional story
We also explore how Train Dreams reflects the dangers of the industrial revolution, showing a world without safety nets, HR, or even basic sanitation. Life is cheap, work is deadly, and survival is never guaranteed.
The score by Bryce Dessner and the original song by Nick Cave are subtle but emotionally devastating. Alex connects Cave’s real-life losses to the emotional weight of the film, arguing that grief is not just a theme—it’s the soul of Train Dreams .
This episode is part film breakdown, part philosophy session, part chaos—and that’s exactly why we love it. Train Dreams may not be for everyone, but it’s a movie that lingers long after the credits roll.
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Arno Calo, Mr. Daily Dares, aka.
Filipino Grigio, aka Daily Dares, aka Alexo.
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He said that twice.
I'm sorry about that.
The brothers Collingle.
That's all that matters.
That's all you need to know.
And, special guest, Spec return guest,
ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Milkman America, aka Chris, with us with me a K Boot Too big.
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Wow, how did you do that?
I don't How did you do that?
Your head was like floating and your body was moving.
s.
That's special effects.
I can do that, too.
It's built into Riverside, right?
Oh, dang it, man, man.
We can't.
We' The four of us are here, and we're
here to discuss a movie of Chris's chew choosing the 2025
Train Dreams
What are you thinking about?
I was thinking that we ought to get married.
Seen bad men raised up and good men brought to the knees
by Clint Bentley, starring Joe Edgerton
and Felicity Jones, and a random appearance by William H.
Macy.
I was pleasantly surprised to see him in anything.
I don't think I've seen him in a while in anything.
A logager, this is a log line.
No pun intended.
A logger leads a life for quiet grace as he experiences
love and loss during an era of moneyumental change, an early 20th century America.
So, Chris, why did you choose train dreams?
I
thoroughly enjoy, I
would just say, artsy types of movies every once in a while.
And this, uh, didn't disappoint.
And it's definitely a little off the beaten path as far
as like what you would expect from, um,
a movie that's going to quote unquote, entertain their audience.
because I would argue that this is a movie that challenges that thesis.
So I thought it would be interesting for the podcast to
tackle this movie and get some different
perspectives on what everyone got from this movie because it's definitely a
thinking movie and a feeling movie, I would say.
No.
Really quick, am I crazy or does Joel Edgerton kind of look like Jason Clark?
Do you guys know Jason Clark is?
He's an act Who's Joel Edgerton and who's Jason Clark?
So Joel Edgerton is the star of Train Dreams.
And Jason Clark is another actor who's been in a bunch of stuff.
Did you guys ever watch Zero Dark Thirty?
They were both in that movie together.
Oh, yeah.
I did see that.
I think they look alike.
Is I crazy?
I don't know.
Maybe I am.
They could be stepbrothers.
Stepbrother.
Or they could be partners.
Sometimes after a certain amount of time, they, you know, a
husband and wife, they look like siblings.
Yeah.
There's a yeah, I've heard this weird
phenomenon where people also start to look like they're pets after a while.
You kind of start to look like whatever. pet you are.
Usually a dog
for some reason.
I should get a komodo dragon..
It'll to be a long old tongue or long tail.
If I got if I got a red panda, would be everybody be like loving me?
Ooh, I think so.
I'd give you some hugs.
I'd give you some rubs, too.
Some hugs and rubs.
No tugs, though.
Don't go there.
Rolling.
You don't limit us.
Don't limit us.
Okay.
Well, hold on.
So this movie is potential Awards
ceremony, uh, Buzz.
Really?
Do we think?
I mean, Chris, let me start with you.
Do you think this movie has a chance to win something this year?
So here's the tough thing when it comes to awards, right?
It has to have, I I would say,
enough people to like the movie.
And I think the people who watch it, I think genuinely like the movie.
But it's as far as putting this up against sinners, right, let's just take sinners.
That's a masterpiece in a lot of different areas.
So to like compare the two as kind of like
really tough to do, but I would argue that there
are some aspects to the movie that it could definitely win awards for.
Sure.
Have you Have you seen Hamlet?
Hamlet?
Hamlet.
Oh, Ham.
Oh, I heard.
I think.
That's like a big..
Daniela mentioned, that was like one of her favorite movies of the year.
Yeah.
It's It's a period piece about William Shakespeare
around the time he wore he wrote Hamlet, I believe, is
is the long wings.
I haven't seen it either.
Yeah, it's Jesse Buckley and that actor, Paul Scal.
Is that his name?
Haven't seen her much.
I don't know about that.
I think a ham, I just think of like a cafeteria, you're serving ham and you got to wear a hair in net.
I can see that as a Get your ham net on.
No, I can see that as like a very brave sandwich.
You throw something crazy in there like, I don't know.
Green eggs.
I think of like ham on the
I think of ham on the internet.
It's like Googling ham and you're like, what kinds of ham do I want on a sandwich?
Do I want honey baked?
Do I want just like deli slice?
Do you want you.
I think of a sketchy club called Hamnet and you what's in there?
Well, you know, they're in nets, I'll tell you that.
Oh, well, don't threaten me with a good time.
Hamnet is a internet cafe.?
where they serves Sam sandwiches.
I like it.
I like it.
By the way, Hilling Ly is join us again in the Chatna,
and we'll be playing his music for the later segment,
that we do with Arnold, the snoozing meter segment.
So that'll be fun.
But anyway, yeah, so, you know, we'll see about that, right?
Because
one battle after another swept at the Golden Globes
this year, I don't know that train Dreams
even won anything or was even nominated.
Do we know?
I should have done my research.
Was it nominated at the Golden Gloes do we know?
Just quickly, I don't think it did.
Yeah.
I don't even know if it was nominated.
I don't think it was either.
I don't think it was nominated for any awards, really, to be honest.
The Golden Globes already happened?
Yes. past weekend, I believe.
Yeah.
I know.
I know.
Yeah, that's right.
Because you were telling me about it, right?
Let's do the research.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll wiki it really quick on the flight.
Dude, look, there's here's a picture of me watching it.
See?
Hey, look at that.
See?
I see an invisible phone screen.
Oh, it's the filter.
Never mind.
We'll continue on with the show.
Yeah, let's see.
I'm honestly curious because I kept hearing, oh, it's going to.
So it got Independent Spirit Award for the best feature.
When does When does the AARP do
a movie award cereony?
That's interesting interesting.
AARP?
I think it's AACTA.
No, it's the.
It got two nominations at the World club.
Movies for Garn Ups Awards.
That's interesting.
Danielle.
Well, you know, that kind of makes sense sense, though, because like, what?
It's a movie during like a time of, you know, industrial revolution, you know?
Yeah.
Danielle in the chat, she said it was nominated person. like, I don't know if they's still still alive.
Well,'ll get to that, Danielle.
We'll get to that part.
So it was nominated at the Golden Globes for
Best original song, which I didn't even know.
Hey, Nick Cabe, you got a Nick Cabe shirt on.
Is it too, Alex?
Int??
Yep.
In Nick Cave.
And it was nominated for.
There's a lot of ties to this too. emotionally.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of ties to Nick Cave.
I'll talk about it later, though.
Sure.
Who's Nick Cave?
I don't know.
The name rings a bell.
I don't know who Nick Cave actually is, though.
Is he a musician?
He has?
This guy.
Yeah.
One letter off of Nick Cage.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One saddle after or another?
Am I right, Arnold?
That's right.
I don't know what that means.
Me neither.
I with it.
What was going to say?
I also had a train of thought.
Arnold, how was your fresh out depress's
rapid fire thoughts on train dreams?
So,
just as you guys were talking about it, I'm picking up
that there's a little bit more depth to this movie.
So, it had a very
PBS KCET vibe to me.
That's interesting.
See, I'm I'm a weird guy and watches
some of those shows.
I have cable.
I have Spectrum TV, so, I'll check
out some of the random shows on there just because like sometimes I'll have like 17 minutes free.
Dang.
So I'll watch like, oh, Christmas Eve season in Europe.
And then they just go, this guy
who's like showing some of the traditions
like in the foresty area in,
I don't know, Sweden or in Europe somewhere.
And I don't know.
I mean, that was something recently that I was watching.
And it made me think of that.
But of course, you know, this was a little bit
more of a story to it.
And and kind of like sad.
Like, man, you really feel for the guy.
But, but, maybe maybe I miss some parts.
Actually, I know I miss some parts.
I'm sure we'll get to that during your snooze rating.
Yeah, so I'm depending on you guys to open me up.
I mean, open it up. open it up like, like
To provide context?
Just breathe.
Just breathe, Arnold, and we'll open you up.
Understanding.
Yeah.
I know that like taking a deep breath really helps.
Just relax, Arnold.
Relax.
Just relax.
Yeah.
Take a deep breath.
Uh-huh.
Close your eyes.
Inhale.
Back to three.
big breath.
X. Oh, too much.m.
It's not bad..a,
Oh, yeah.
So, yeah, sorry,rian.
That was my attempt at making it short.
Thank you for that, Arnold.
I appreciate that.
I was trying to give you, I was trying to put you in a second person perspective
by saying, imagine yourself in the redwoods, the smell of pine needles and tree sap everywhere.
But you did a good job on your own, so don't even listen to me.
But no, I appreciate. of your cabin home being on fire.
Yeah, exactly.
Your dreams are ablaze.
What are your initial thoughts, Alex, on train dreams?
Oh, man.
So..
When I first started this, I
saw the, just the
trailer without the audio, and I
thought, oh my gosh, I'm going to go to sleep pretty soon.
And, you know, like,
the narration didn't help
at the very beginning.
It kind of reminded me of just like one of those, uh,
what do you call it, um audiobooks
with just like David Abby. was talking.
Yeah, just talking.
It's definitely the narration didn't..
But you like to listen to David Atten.
I't don't to this narrator.
However
I, you know, after watching it and giving it a chance, obviously.
Also, like, part of it, like partway through, I want to
say like maybe the first five, ten minutes, like gave me vibes
of like, so there's these videos that my mom
will put on from YouTube that are AI generated,
and the stories that are created are just
awful.
So good.
They're just like the awful Zero..
Like, they're just so bad.
They're all the same.
They pretty much are all the same except they changed the name up
and put them in different scenarios.
But they're all the same plot.
They have like zero like
like, moral fiber.
Most of them are actually really bad for like storytales, you know.
But that being said, I gave it a chance and I actually quite enjoyed it.
I
really, it
was one of those things that I took a look at it and just
felt that it was absolutely more of one of those
existential type of films.
And obviously, like, you know, you
think about the
meaning of like, after he, I don't want to get too
far into it, but like, yeah, it's just absolutely like one of those Definitely
existential of films like a a life movie.
Yeah.
Well, let me ask you guys this, and I'll start with you.
What does it all mean?
What does it all?
What is it?
What does it all mean, Basil?
What's Tell me, give me the answers.
This is a Netflix movie..
I believe they were like, I don't know if they made, they don't really make movies, right?
Someone else makes it and they sponsored it on their platform.
Do we think that the narration was a result of like the
current TikTok generation where you have to have someone
explaining what's going on in the background because people are browsing on their phones while they're watching it?
Or do we think, Chris, that the narration was
woven in an organic way into the story?
I'll say you?
Well, I'll stick with what you're saying first, because
I do think that's like definitely in the culture and I feel like
like, I don't watch anything without subtitles now.
Same.
There's subtitles on almost everything that I consume.
So to add a narator, I'm like.
The podcast has subtitles.
Yeah.
Hey.
Not that it needs it.
There you go.
That's why you should watch this as well.
Exactly.
So, like, to go along with that point, adding narration, I'm like, okay, even better.
Now you're telling me what I'm watching.
But to dial it back into
the actual movie, I think that the movie in and of itself
boiling
it down, I don't think it actually truthfully has a major plot, right?
I think the movie is plotless, like to a degree.
And so if you're going to do something that dares the
audience, right, or challenges the audience of like, hey, there's no point to this movie.
Right.
Right.
In order to string them along, I think there
has to be some sort of narration, especially when you're talking about the main character
I believe his name is Robert, right?
And so he also doesn't talk a whole bunch, right?
So you have, if you're not going to have him talk a whole bunch, you're not going to have a plot.
I'm sorry, you're going to have to do some narration or else what am I watching?
Right?
I'm just, just looking at pictures
Wait a minute.
You're watching a W Wenders film.
That's what you're doing.
Yeah.
Put some hair on, Chris.
Oh, no..
You're going to catch me.
Robert.
Robert.
Joel Egerton.
Chris, our Joel Edgerton.
Oh, that Joel Edgerton?
Yeah.
I know.
That's who stars in the movie.
I know I saw the name name, but I wasn't quite sure who it was.
He's been in a lot of stuff.
I feel like this is the first movie he's like fully starred in.
Like, he normally plays more of a supporting type.
Correct.
Other than zeroero Dark 30.
Well, even in that, he's more of a supporting
character.
Shalisa 16, greet says, greetings.
Welcome to the chat.
I don't know if anybody knows Shalisa.
Do we know who Shalisa is?
I don't know who Shalisa is, but I know Sheila.
Oh, Sheila.
Oh, wow.
I read that Shalisa.
I got that wrong.
So we know Sheila.
I'm like, I like Chalisa, though.
I'm not to call her.
What's up, Chalisa?
I'.
It's my fault, She Sheila.
Sh Lisa I know why lately it's been like,
I talk...
You're throwing a little flavor on that bad boy.
So we have
a Chris Deas in the chat.
He's asking is Joel.
Edgerton's still goaded.
Does he carry the movie in the way Leonard DiCaprio might?
That's a great question.
Oh.
I don't know.
Is that like a callback to the previous episode that
I was just listening to of the Never Seen It podcast?
Uh-huh.
Oh.
I mean Is that a callback?
Maybe.
But here's the thing.
DiCapri.
Thank you for the questioning, Chris, too, so, by the way.
Great question.
Yes, thank you.
He's doub.ba.
Leo DiCaprio becomes every character in every movie he's in.
Like, he really, like, I don't know if you guys watch The Revenant.
That's a ridiculous movie, in a good way.
And, like, you could tell that Bro is struggling for
his life in that movie, and he deserves every penny he got for it, you know?
Yes.
I don't know.
Does Joel Edgerton do the same in trade dreams?
I mean, yes, to an extent, but I don't think Joel Edgerton is on the same level as Leo.
No.
I would.
It's a different tier entirely.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe Joel Edgerton has the potential to eventually do that.
Correct.
Chelsea.
Well, watch his career with great interest.
He wasn't asked to do that, right?
I think if maybe you put him in Revenant, he could have been
pretty close.
I think so.
We don't know unless we see. it.
Just edging it on the edge.
Yeah.
Joel, edging.
What an edger.
That's what he should be called.
Any comments on Arnie's personal?
Oh.
That's a callback.
Oh, yeah.
I have I have Arnold's chatting up here,
and it says, who was the hottest lumberjack?
You can visit Arnold's, by
the way, www.arnoldchathat.com
slash HTML, right, Arnold slash Forward slash
forward slash 69420.
There you go.
Ooh.
Bless you.
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My favorite lumberjck was William H.
Macy for sure.
Well, H.
Macy was great look.
Like I didn't recognize him, first of all.
He looks very old in this movie. he is an older guy.
He's been old for forever.
Right, but like, I didn't recognize I was like, I know that voice, though.
I know that voice.
And I had to Google.
I was like, sure enough, it was William H.
Macy.
What do we think about this guy?
To me, he was the best character
in the whole thing.
Because Joel Edgerson is a loager.
He has a wife, played by Felicity Jones.
He has a daughter, a baby daughter, and they have a little
log cabin in the woods.
And he's like, I got to go for a few months at a time to go,
you know, help build the railroad and knock down some trees
And then William H.
Macy shows up.
How do we feel about that?
Do we like his character?
Is he's sort of like a sage, old wizard type, or what do we think?
Oh, so that's when H.
Macy, the older guy?
I honestly think that what his character kind
of represents is the fragility of life.
You know?
I think that he's
lived this life for so long as a lumberjack, and he's
probably moved on from being a normal lumberjack to like
be an explosives expert, right?
Oh, guy And he had That's what it was to live this easy sort of
he had this kind of easy sort of going life
in this hard, you know, life kind of job.
And he was able to just kind of walk around and
do his thing and just hang out and just talk to the Share stories,orkers. comments.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then all of a sudden, he's just walking along in the forest and
he gets hit by a giant branch, right?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That was devastating.
Damn.
And then Robert
he sits there and is able to just kind of witness his
friend, like, deteriorate in real time.
And that's really like a hard thing to watch for anybody.
I don't care.
Like if they're like somebody close to you or like they're just like an acquaintance
you know, being that in that sort of
arm's length is very, very traumatizing.
He's definitely an archetype.
I feel like the, I was saying earlier, like the wizard
archetype, your Obi-Wan, you're Gandalf.
He was like the Gandalf with the story.
And just like those guys guys
he kind of had to die tragically.
Although I guess Gandalf comes back.
But he never, he never comes back.
That's never comes back...
He's not William H.
Macy the gray or the white.
H.
Macy the White.
H.
Macy the White.
Someone in my chat regarding who was the hottest lumberjack.
Controversial man underscore 69 says, the Chinaman.
So, actually, I'm glad you bring this up because I appreciate this.
The movie tried to be historically accurate.
And
as we talked about on this very show,
the Chinese have helped build the railroads in this country.
And earlier in the movie, we see them building
a railroad and then, I forget, what was it that the Chinese man
did that they took him away and threw him over the damn bridge?
Like, what was it?
He didn't do anything he was...
No, no, no.
They didn't
they didn't have a reason other than he was Asian.
That was the whole point.
That's all it was.
Yeah.
Just to show how deeply rooted.
It says pure racism.
Yeah.
That was a messed up scene.
I didn't think they were.
I didn't expect that to happen.
And I was kind of taking it back.
I was like, but that makes sense.
Because I'm sure that kind of stuff happened back then.
Unfortunate as it is to say.
And Robert, he tried to help save him, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, he was, what degree did he try to help?
I mean, he went over and tried to grab his legs.
He got kicked and then he's like, okay, well, I guess I'm not helping.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that was that was both that death and William H.
Macy's death really, yeah, threw me for a loop, you know?
It was devastating to see both of them get killed.
And, but yeah, it's a slow burn movie for sure, right?
This isn't a, uh,
I don't know, this isn't, there's no big epic set pieces.
I mean, I guess the closest thing you get is like the fire, which
we should talk about, with the fire that, uh, engulfs his, not even really engulf this home.
It did destroy his home.
I think he had to build it for you.
He rebuilt it from scratch.
Correct.
But so you loses his wife and his daughter
And after that, it's in the movie to me, kind of took a
noseive in terms of like what I was expecting out of it, I guess.
But, but yeah, how do we feel about that sort sort of him
waiting, searching for them to come back?
Because it kind of basically took over the rest of the story from then on, then on now.
What do we think about that, Chris?
I'll start with you.
Yeah, I mean, if you
look at, I mean, Alex,
had a really great point talking about Will Macy's
character as far as addressing fragility of life.
Uh, I think he, piggybacking off of that, that's
what this entire movie, um, sort of displays at every corner
Um, uh, as far as each next step of
this movie, you start the movie off with the narrator talking about
how from a child, he lost his parents, how he witnessed
a lot of stuff growing up as a child.
And we see
death throughout this movie.
And for a movie too, I would argue it is not very exciting, right?
Or entertaining in the sense of like, there's not a lot of eye candy.
There's not like keep you on the edge of the seat.
This is a sip, get comfy, and you're observing, right?
And so we observe an ordinary man
to a degree, live an ordinary life, and just like how fragile
all life was growing
up in the industrial Revolution and how crazy
it was and his job was and making
it and how dangerous just life in general was would like to
have that fire, right, andulf his home.
And like you said, it takes a nose dive, you kind of see his life take a nose dive, right?
I think that's a refle of what you're observing.
That's a great point.
Let me ask you this really quick, just to backtrack a little bit.
There's a scene where a man shows up to the work site
and he's like, I'm looking for so-and-so.
And he's like, oh, I'm him.
And he just shoots him.
Oh, yeah.
He's like, in case you, it was a black man, too, I believe.
And he's like, in case any of you guys are wondering why I shot him, was because he killed somebody from..
He killed his brother.
Killed his brother.
It was the black man that shot somebody.
That shot the guy.
Yeah.
The guy that he shot was earlier.
Oh, he was a priest or something.
Wasn't he?
He was like a..
No, he wasn't a priest.
He was wasn't a priest.
I thought.
He was just somebody who was like.
Yeah.
Yeah, he was posing as this really religious guy.
Yeah.
But I think
to be honest, I think is one of those.ible something.
Yeah, exactly.
Apostle Frank, played by Paul Schneider.
Oh, that Paul, the guy that was in the first season of Parks and Record.
You guys ever watched that?
Or Bars and the Real Girl.
So the guy, the guy who was like telling him all like the Bible stories and everything, that's the one that got shot?
That's the guy that got shot, yeah.
So I get confused with all the different lumberjacks there.
They all kind of just seem to blend.
Same sort of.
As you close your eyes and open your eyes, you're like, wait, which part of this movie am I watching and which?
Open my eyes.
Just relax.
On her deeper level, what do you think that moment represented?
Alex, I'll ask you, what do you think that was
supposed to symbolize that guy getting shot?
To me, I don't know.
It's kind of just
the way that the world was it back then.
You know, he came in and he,
it was definitely still the Wild West.
And again, once again, the fragility of life.
Like, you never, you do something wrong.
And and then also kind of, it was that whole like idea of karma or bad things following you.
You know, because he's that whole thing was like he
was constantly having those dreams of that
Chinese man, like following
him and always appearing him as as if he was hauntingting
him in some way and cursing him in some way.
And that's sort of the thing.
It kind of represents that whole sort of like the things
you do in life will follow you always.
No matter what you, like how you falsely try to
like.
Cor, Make yourself look like, you
know, you have this like facade.
It doesn't It't matter about the facade that you, you uphold.
At the end of the day, all those things come crumbling down once you're faced with the truth.
I like that.
What did you think?
Oh, Go ahead, Arnold.
Go ahead, sorry.
When you're I
was going to say, oh, we try to forget, but no, it was a facade.
I guess that's that just shows you what I would try to do.
Right.
You know?
Just try to forget and then just let it
continue to boil and continue to haunt me and continue
to traumatize me and just change me as a person.
That's all.
That's all that it would do to me..
That's it.
That's, Chris.
How did that make you feel that moment where the guy shows up
and just takes the guy out and then boom?
Yeah, I think there's two things to that, right?
I think on one end, I agree with
Alex, as far as like, where you go, your pass will find you, right?
There's no outrunning the pass
But I think on the to go along with that,
there's no fact checkinging, right?
And during that part of the movie, I believe they were talking about how you
go on these jobs and you really don't know these guys that you're working right next to.
And you, two seconds before that, he was talking
about how he worked with one lumberjack
and he didn't say any words except for
two sentences that he says.
And he basically says, you guys are annoying me and walks off.
Yeah.
And that's when you lead into the opposite
of that of this guy who's constantly spouting Bible verses
And you are to think that he's like this Christ-
loving Bible guy who's got all these righteous
values that he's exhibiting.
And then you're like, oh, that guy killed someone.
Yeah.
Like, and there's no way to like check that.
And so it's just, like you said, it's the Wild West.
It's like, whatever you tell me, I guess I have to believe it until I find out that you
killed someone.
There's two things they didn't have.
OSHA and HR.
One of those is useful.
The other is HR.
Go ahead.
And you know, it's funny.
It's like, I always find that like the most like self-righteous
people are usually the ones that have the most to hide, you know?
Yeah.
Most people they are, if those people who are being self-righteous,
they're typically, if they're not upront with like what they were and
who they are, that's definitely like, like a
Like, I don' don't trust this guy, you know?
Yeah.
What, uh, what was that?
Deku Princess asks.
Was there a decent score that went with this movie?
I thought I feel like a score can either make or break a film.
I thought it was subtly woven.
Great question
Right?
Who made the score?
I don't even know.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Let's check the otherwise.
I' see it was a very score.
Yeah.
It was You could like Google it as well.
Bryce Dresner did the score.
Yeah.
Also, he's the one that
collaborated with Nick Cave.
Nick Caveave?
Oh Oh, nice on the song.
But speaking of Nick Cave, I kind of wanted to like bring him up.
Let's talk about Yeah, we're talking about music.
Tell us about Nick Cave.
Healing laughterper said he's a deep voice vocalist.
Is that what it was?
But go ahead.
Yeah, he's very deep But like, yeah, I mean, if you obviously if
you hear the song at the very end of the movie, that's Nick Cave singing
There's a There's a really deep connection to it.
And I kind of feel that like this possibly might be
the reason why he agreed to do the film.
So, Nick Cave
historically has been this very, very deep, like thinking sort of
musician, like, very beautiful, very romantic, very, like heartbreaking songs
kind of like haunted past type things and things like that.
Forllorn lovers and like also kind of thing.
But then he, in real life,
he too had like suffered some really great losses
And he's lost to sons.
One when he was one of them died at 13
from some mental health stuff that like kind of took his life.
They undisclosed reasons why his, you know, he took his life.
But the other one died at like, I think it was 31 or 33, very recently
like within the past, like, I want to say five, five years, five, 10, like five, seven years.
And, he, yeah,
he died at like, like 33, 311.
I can't remember, but it really affected his music and
his, uh, there was like actually, like, I think I, let me cool it up.
I have
um there was like a recent album that
he, he wrote that actually was affected by it.
It was Why are you doing that?
Brian and the chat ass.
If I was drinking Nickeup Ultra Zero, was that you, Arnold?
I'm not sure.
It wasn't me.
I wasn't doing Nicke Ultra.
That was that was Chris.
That was me.
I was drinking an IPA.
Yeah.
And no, Brian, there's no nudity in train dreams. to answer your question.
Unfortunately.
Sorry, Brian.
There's Yeah, the song, there's his
music in this, I think it's at the album or a song called Ghost Teen.
And yeah, it kind of like explicitly talks about the
passing of his one of his sons.
But yeah, I could see how, you know, like in this
film, Robert loses
his wife and daughter, you know, and it deals
greatly in a lot of grief and like survivor guilt as well.
So it's a great point..
What do you think about this score, Adrian?
I thought the score was very subtle.
I thought it wasn't overpowering.
I thought that it was
it fit the story, like the mood.
This movie very much was a mood, right?
Like, it was like slow, it was dark.
It reminds you that like life was tough back then if you weren't wealthy.
You know, I would rather be poor now than be poor back then.
Oh, yeah.
Because you know, at least now we have...
McDonald's.
McDonald's.
We have the microwave.
We have FaceTime
We have, you know, group chats where we send memes.
Pinballs.
Pac-Man.
Yeah, you had to handdraw your memes and then put them in the post.
It's like all kinds of free websites.
Yeah, all kinds of free websites for all kinds of interesting things, right, Arnold?
So, yeah.
Life was tough back then.
I wouldn't want to be alive back then.
Are you kidding?
Even as a rich person, it was probably no AC, I don't think, when this movie starts.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, so was the vibe.
He was washing himself with water
from like a little tub and then letting the water just go back in there.
So you can imagine how many more people are going to be reusing
that water or perhaps even drinking that water.
You can imagine?
It's so unsanitary.
But yeah.
And now you can sell that.
If you're a water during the tournam century, how are you
How are you replenishing yourself?
Like, they didn't have water bottles.
They didn't have running water.
Were they just drinking like the local river water or what the hell?
Did they have TP?
They had toilet paper?
I don't think they had toilet paper.
Well, maybe.
I feel like toilet paper's been around for a while.
They had this pinky.
I had leaves.
No, but They had the stream
The movie is very was like. a reminder that life was tough.
And you know.
I just
this is the kind of like remind me of like, you know, you're
talking about like wiping your ass and how they did it.
And
It kind of reminded me of like, the movie Left-handed Girl.
And so like, I remember, you
know, we were asking like, why is it so cursed or why do people think about it?
Because like, with your right hand, you do it, like, you're supposed to do everything.
Like you feed yourself and your left hand, you, that's where you use your hand.
That's the you use the wipe.
That's why in some cultures don't shake hands with their left hand because they wipe with the left hand..
Exactly.
That's
It brings it all back to..
I don't know why that brought it up.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
That was a super huge tangent.
We do the weed, guys.
We do the weave, that we do the weave.
Tell me about this.
So, you know,
he spends a good amount of the movie, like, you know,
finding literally and metaphorically trying to find his
dead daughter and wife.
And then towards the end, a little girl shows up and
he like, she's like wounded and he thinks that's his daughter and
he treats her and he brings her inside and he treats her wounds and then the next day she she's gone.
Was that just an hallucination
What are we to make of that?
What do you guys think about that?
Yeah, I don't know.
Here's.
Do you think, because shortly before that, he was talking about, oh,
yeah, Mororal mushrooms that you'll find in
the wild, you think he maybe ate a bad mushroom?
Who's theenic mushroom?
Oh, that is a great point.
I thought you' going to take that in a joking direction, but I forgot about that.
That's true mushroom, maybe.
Morels, there's one of my most favorite mushrooms.
They're very dirtyty.
You get to get to clean them very well.
But when you get them, oh, they're a bunch of little jewels.
Now, just to be clear, these are hallucinogenic mushrooms, right?
Not the ones you use or not.
They're not hallucinogenic.
They're notls are good for you.
What's the Imagine mushrooms are bad for you?
What's the one Ram says in that song?
Whoa, don't harsh my trip, man.
The ones where the mushrooms are are grown in cow poop.
There's an Eminem song where he says that.
Oh, yeah.
You're talking about magic mush?
Those mrooms what's?
Those are.
Those are magic mushrooms.
Yeah.
Just wanted to be.
And just to be clear, because Brian is asking in the chat, Nicolola Baltra zero contains zero
it's an alcohol.
Are you drinking an alcohol alcohol free beer, Chris?
Is that what's called?
Yes, I'm I' seven years sober.
I was to ask, how many years yearsongulations. seven years.
Seven years as of January 1st..
That's awesome.
If you down to San I'm just naturally like this.
If you come down to San Diego, there's a new bar that's
like a non-liquor, like spirit bar.
So like, like all the drinks are like, no alcohol.
Spirit-free.
And it's like themed after Mac Miller.
Oh, cool. see Interesting.
So you got to come back, Chris.
Yeah.
All right.
I'm coming back down..
Nice.
I can't believe it.
You' live on the show, guys.
He said that he's coming back.
Breaking news.
We'll hold it to you.
Dika Princess also says that they definitely did not have Miklaboltra 0 in those times.
And that's probably true.
And they also did not have behave, you're right, healing
The chat is going off tonight, guys.
I don't know if you guys are keeping up with this.
Hell, yeah.
I can't read.
Chris DeBo, I honestly have some innochi mushrooms.
Andnoi mushrooms.
What are those?
I't that is.
Oh, those are the little skinny ones.
Andnoi mushrooms aren't the list like.
Yeah.
Oh, gnoci?
You'll see them in like some soup.
Yeah.
Not gnoci as a.
I love gnocchi mushrooms.
Gnocchi and mushrooms gnoci.
I love the gnocchi.
You were going to say something, Arnold.
Go ahead.
Oh, sorry, no, I was just smelling my wiping fingers.
Inoi is they're the.
The smelling his left hand?
Left hand-handed guy over here.
Let's stay focus, guys.
Annoi mushrooms.
They're used a lot in Japanese cuisine,
and maybe a lot of Japanese dishes or Asian dishes.
They're the skinny pencil skin a lot of hot pot.
Yes
Yes.
Nice.
Shabu Shabu, they have it at Shabuishabu as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Then we got that out of the way.
But uh Well,
it was the theory that, you know, he ate some hicogenic motion.
Right, that was going back to that.
That's a great point because they did talk about mushrooms at one point.
You're right.
I just remembered that.
I thought it was like, it was definitely, to me, I thought it was like a coping thing.
Like, that was like his way of finally sort of putting
that to bed, the loss of his family.
Like, I thought this was like, symbolically., it be both?
Right.
Yeah, because right before that, too, he also had that fever
dream while he was sick when his wife was standing in their old cabin
prior to burning down. that you, by the way, the way they shot that.
It was just like her silhouette.
And like, I thought I was like, oh, this feels like a ghost movie.
A scary movie movie.
Scary movie.
I don't know.
It went from like PBS, KCET to like all of a sudden.
Speaking of muckbangs, I' want to make sure I.
Deku Princess says they eat innoki a lot in in those muckbangs.
Yeah, speaking of muckbangs, I think the
next discussion, I'm just going to have a huge-ass dinner around me.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
It'sion.
Yeah.
I want to take it seriously.
I want the YouTube commenters to see you do that so they can talk more shit
and leave us more comments of love.
Yes, absolutely.
And then, you have that muck bang?
I'll eat the bang.
Yeah.
I like how Alex is just over here eating a sandwich.
Someone's like, you shouldn't eat if you want to be taken it seriously.
Fuck off.
Did I It's a podcast.
I do I want.
I'm an adult.
Yeah.
We're just yapping about movies, bro.
It's not that deep.
Okay.
It's a little deep.
I think I heard Chris say something that he was going to be doing a gangbang, like
Mick gang gangbang.
A Mick gang bang.
A gangbang.
Yeah.
A sandwich with a hamburger meat, the fillet of fish and
a chicken., yeah.
Yeah, that.
That's what I was talking about.
That, how come everything in McDonald's is like a McNugget, a Mc fry, I
a Mc burger.
I'm like, kid, it's just branding.
That's all it is.
It's an actor.
And he's like, okay, and then we got the food and he's like, can I have a fry?
I'm like, can you make a wait till we get to the MC apartment?
Mike drop.
Mike drop.
It was I thought it was funny.
I thought it was funny in the moment.
Yeah.
Chef BoyardD, I don't know what that means.
Chris Chris.Ree.
Boyne.
Oh, there we go.
I need glasses, guys.
Anyway.
Chef, boy.
So, yeah, yeah, I thought
it was just him putting, metaphorically putting, you know, the pass behind
him by when he helped his daughter out of his division of his
daughter and he laid her to rest like he was linging it to rest, you know, their loss.
Because I think right after that, and this is also where the movie kind of
like took me out, where it was like, there's this huge long, not even a montage.
Can we call it a montage?
I don't know.
He basically fasts forwards through history.
Like, he goes.
It's a huge jump.
Huge time jump.
He sees like the first launch of the space missions and all that.
Which?
Which, by the way, when that whole, like that launch of the first space mission,
that's another thing, too, that kind of like points to the fragility of life and how small we really are.
You know, it's kind of like hinting, he's like really kind of like, like,
he's like, that lady standing next to him that's like, that's us
you know?
And, like, he's looking at a video or
like footage of the earth.
And like, we I
think it makes it kind of makes him feel small, you know, like how small we all are.
Yeah, that's a great one.
Around that same time, he also, like, to have that moment,
and then around that same period of time, he goes into
a bathroom and sees himself for the first time in a decade.
So like, that just also shows you like how this guy lives his life.
Like that is so wild he just went from
just seeing his face in 10 years to, oh, we're in space.
That's, that's us.
That's our planet.
Like, that's so like, not even quite literally not even on my radar.
Yeah, I do, I do I thought it was funny how
by aging him 40 years, they just put a little gray
in Joel Edgerton's temples.
His face has been weathered since eight years old.
Yeah, we don't need to.
We don't need to do more
processing to make him look old.
Let's put a little grain in his beard and his temples and then.
Honestly, he looked like the same age, though, the whole movie.
Or even when he was a kid just kidding. 30 and 80?
This guy is ages perfectly.
Hey, Joel Edgerton, he has good jees.
What can I say?
Hey, doubt.
As Adrian and Chris in the same room, matching
background room colors, no, healing lots of power.
We are not in the same room.
Yeah, we are.
Don't lie to it.
We' Come here like Reddit here.
Let me turn the camera now.
Come here.
on.
I can't believe it over here.
I can't believe it.
Here.
We're I' almost 45 minutes now.
Yeah.
And, Arnold, you missed your, yeah, you missed your daily exercise.
My hips, they are so stiff.
His hips don't lie.
Show us. don't.
And while Arnold is doing his gyrating moves,
yeah, shout out to the chat tonight.
You guys have been pretty chatty and I like it.
I like them a lot.
MVP chat.
I don't know where Brian went, but I hope he got his answer.
I hope he got the answer he was looking for as far as the... zero alcohol beer
The audio.
Brian went out.
Brian went out and he's going out to get that beer now.
Oh, nice.
I hope he did.
Are'tnie Stiff hips don't lie.
No, they do not H.
They do not lie.
Oh, Jesus.
That's Jesus.
I make love in this. dark, Arnoldld.
I We have some McHips going.
Yeah.
We have some McCay in the jet.
It's.
You got to have a little bit of fun, you know, after you loosen the hips a little bit.
It's going to dance a little bit.
Yeah.
I'm relaxed.
Remember, take a deep breath.
Oh, man.
And goes, oh, my God, all this hip shaking for free.
That's right.
Here on Never Seeing a Podcast, you get for free.
And that's when you when you get on the page team tier, Christa Paul.agine the you put it on the page.
No.
I apologize.
It's in every 30 minutes.
The only fans version of this
You can don't even want it.
If version on the free one, one, you don't even want
to know what's on the middle fans version.
I love it.
I love it, guys.
Well, hey, that's the movie in a nutshell.
Are we good to go around the room and give our final thoughts or
was there more we wanted to explore about this story?
How do we feel?
Nobody mentioned the dogs.
The The cute little dogies.
The little puppies.
Oh..
Wasn't there?
Is that resemble something?
Wasn't there a Native American guy that was hanging out with him for a little bit?
Yeah.
The great friend.
Yeah.
Did't he bring him the dogs or was that somebody else?
I don't even remember that.
No, he was just checking up on him and those dogs were wild
Or supposedly either wild or came from the town nearby.
Another sub I wanted to talk about was the the
firewatch woman that shows up.
Yeah, towards the end of the movie.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, they're going to have a quick romance subplot.
He's going to fall love with her.
It's going to sort of not make it forget his late wife,
but make him sort of, you know, process that.
Go ahead.
I think that
that relationship, that connection that he made, is kind of,
in a sense, kind of summarizing
all his relationships in a sense that how brief and
all relationships can be, you know, but how important they can be as a well.
You know, like, you remember that one moment where he,
like, he's at that knee job?
His very final job, right?
He runs into that guy who
a couple of years back, he had worked with him.
And I can't remember his name.
He's like, whatever, John?
That's not his name, I'm sure.
But he was like, and then he's like, hey, it's Robert, right?
And so they still have that kind connection.
Like, oh, and then they were able to connect in that sort of like personal way.
And that just kind of shows like, you know, the importance
of connecting with people and even, especially in those days, you know, you can't
you know, he talks about like how, um, uh, what is that?
A hermit in the forest is just as important as, what was it?
It was the rest of.
The creature in the as a preacher..
Yeah.
Yeah, like a preacher on the pulpit is just as important as a hermit in the woods.
And that's so true.
Like, we all need each other in a sense that, like,
all our connections are are very important.
As short and brief as they can be
they can hold like a
lot of weight, you know?
And that moment that the redheaded woman
had with Robert, like him, like kind of, you know,
opening up about his, his loss, right?
And that kind of, he kind of opened up about her loss
as well, about how she's grieving.
And so you find these like this kind, these kindred
spirits, like through all this stuff.
And it kind of helps you feel
less lonely.
And I think that's the whole important thing is like, you know,
the connections that we have with these people.
And that's one of those things, I'm learning myself.
Like, especially, you know, after being here in San Diego
for like almost, like since 2021.
You know, most of the jobs I've had, they've been kind of
like, I've been around only maybe one or two people at a time.
And our conversations were kind of very little.
But like the times that I've had these conversations
were like, they were really really important to me.
And then like now I at this knee job that I have, I'm actually
around a lot more people and I'm finding that this community that I've
I'm becoming a part of at this coffee shop is
like, it's it's really big and I feel like, like a person again.
I feel like, you know, I feel important.
You know, I feel valued, you know?
And it was kind of hard
for a time, like to feel that way here, out here.
Like I, like I mattered, you know, because like when I was living in Palm
Springs, like I felt like, I felt valued because there were all like all
my friends and I could just go go places and like see people that I know.
And it felt a little bit easier
And especially being like around family, like Arnold and like all my cousins out there.
But out here, it felt for a while, like a very lonely place.
But now I kind of feel like connected like once again.
And that's the value of all that.
And I love all that you just said.
My only problem is that I wish I'd come across in this movie towards the end, because I
to me, it felt kind of rushed.
I just felt like they were, let's fast forward a little bit.
And then it just kind of ends.
And don't get me wrong.
There's this beautiful montage at the very end where it
kind of shows flashbacks of like previous moments in the story.
I thought that was great.
I thought that was a really beautifully made montage.
And that's how you do a montage, by the way.
Yeah.
But
between that, between the family disappearing
slash Stein and then that moment, it just felt like they like had to like
squish the end together really quick.
And then before the they call call it a w.
So I think that was my biggest issue with it.
But I'm glad that you I'm sure the book is
Yeah, I'm sure the book explains it better.
And by the way, was based on a book.
The book is, yeah, it's based on a.
You should read it, Arnold.
There's actually, a minute. audio.
I did read it.
Yeah.
Well, you should you haven't.
Check out the audiobook.
I think it's like less than four hours or less than two hours.
It's really short.
It's a novel.
It's a novella.
So it took art on the whole year.
Are you kidding?
He's active on Goodreads, right, Arnold?
That's right.
I thought you were a speed read. reader.
Yeah.
Yeah, I sure do read on speed.
Wait, He was a sweeter.
Did you say Speed?
Speed taker.
Speed Race.
Read on speed.
Speed Speed Racer.
That's what you're to get to and from Los Angeles
in eight and a half hours, right?
Yeah, on speed.
On speed.
Yes.
And that's not in a car that's on foot.
That's on foot, yeah.
Watch out, F1.
Oh, speaking of the no.
Well, good stuff, guys.
I mean, that's great.
I'm glad that I brought that up.
Yeah, how do we feel?
Let's do final thoughts and uh,
wrap up.
I was kind of hesitant on this.
You know, as Alex, you were talking about like, you
know, our time in San Diego and moving kind of felt a little lonely.
I just felt like I had this need to sing a song for you.
Oh.
Let's hear it..
Is this royalty free or what is this?
Oh, well, I don't know, maybe.
I'm going to time you if it's there's going to be royalties, it's 15 seconds.
Yeah.
Because it's a cappella.
I mean, a cappella.
Let's hear.
What's your cha cappella?
You're really setting this up.
Let's I's.
Is it Cacapella?
Cacapella?
Cockpella?
What's
What the heck?
What are we talking about?
That's a mouthful.
You are not alone.
I am here with you,
Though you're far away.
I am here to stay
You are not alone.
Oh, man.
You really hit that high note like it was going out of style, my friend.
Good job.
MJ.
Good job.
And you kept it under 15 seconds.
No copyright strike.
No one Yeah, exactly.
No cock
Copyright.
No copyright strike.
No copyright.
Good stuff, man.
Show.amona.
Christoval says Shamona.
Arnolds famous for reading books..
All right, guys.
Yeah, that was, thank you for that..
I really reset the mood, you know what I mean?
In a good way.
Of course.
I just bought it in to.
You know, good stuff.
Yeah, let's do final thoughts.
Well, thank you, Arnold.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, man.
Chris, will start with you.
What are your final thoughts?
And where can people find you on on socials?
Definitely.
Everyone can find me at Milkman America on all the socials.
You can think of a social.
I'm there on Milkman America.
But as far as final thoughts in the movie, it was, hear me out.
This is my second favorite film of 2025.
Uh, Centers was my favorite, uh, and this was my second favorite.
And I, I equate it to this wasn't
necessarily a crowd pleaser, but it was definitely a craft pleaser.
Um That's a great.
Thank you.
I think
the soundtrack, the score, was reserved
and restrained as to not like manipipulate the audiences.
I think it did a really great job at just kind of like balancing
and letting the audience again take in what they're going to take in from this movie without being over the top.
Like sometimes
you need it for like an epic movie, but like the music will
like swell and it's like, okay, I'm supposed to feel like sad or cry or whatever.
And I feel like the score was perfectly towed
the line as far as like keeping the momentum going of the movie
And as far as visuals go, we didn't
really talk too much about it, but visually the movie was gorgeous.
It was beautifully shot.
If they should wear anything, the director
of photography should be absolutely winning
any sort of award because everything
from how you would have like these really gritty
muted moments of the movie where it just felt real to
like the moments when they're like playing on the grass and like you have
almost like a subdued hyper realistic
like saturated scenes of like the beautiful like sunlight
coming in and like the nice lush greens.
And on top of that, the
how it was actually filmed, a lot of it was handheld.
And so you got, it was almost like we were, like the
audience were kind of like creeping in on this and like watching this man's life.
Like, you had some really creative shots
in there that were really subtle from like, it felt like we
were like behind some logs at some point or like just like off to the sides.
So I thought how those films was really
well done.
Overall, what I took from it was it
was a masterclass and acting from a man showing a masculinity from a man's point of view.
I think a lot of times you get like this glorified,
like, I'm a hero and this is what it looks like to be a man and hoorah, and we got to see a man
just kind of like quietly deal with like very
traumatic things at almost every 10 minutes of this movie.
It felt like this guy's just going through it.
So that was really well done and to
your point, Adrian, the montage was so beautiful.
And I think it kind of speaks to how the timeline
was kind of a little messy, where they kind of like built up parts of this movie, like, here's the lumberumberjack
trade and here's his life and here's his life falling apart and here's his friend.
And here here are these different stories.
And when you look back, when he's 80 years old, you have this beautiful
splice from an honestly, at some point boring
movie turned into like this beautiful, like, wow, did we actually, is this the same movie?
Because it didn't feel like it when you watched that montage, you're like,
wow, I guess we did see all of of those things happen.
So I gave it a 4.5 and I say, I should probably put a five out5.
But that's that's my 54 cents, I guess.
Wonderfully well said.
Thank you. holding it back or who's holding you back and you're getting a five out of five?
I'm not holding you back.
Maybe because I'm feeling alone.
You're still not alone.
Oh, thank you No, thank you for that, Chris.
That was really well said.
And yeah, let's go to Alex next.
There it is.
Losing my damn voice.
What was that, Adrian?
Sorry.
You cut out a little bit.
I did.
It was partying too hard because, guys, it was his birthday on the weekend.
I had all of three beers.
On one night.
Whoa.
And they were all Nickel Utra's hereros.
Alex, yeah, sorry.
Yeah.
Final thoughts in where can people find you?
No, I
agree with Chris when it comes to the
idea that this Robert was a man
being truly
what a man is.
Like, should be,
you know, vulnerable, even though he was, you know,
he even though he isolated himself, when he I don't think he was trying to
isolate himself on purpose.
I think he he wanted connection.
But during those days, it's kind of like you don't go to like,
you know a therapist or they don't have that sort of science.
You know, but he was open, like he had open arms to like people who wanted to talk to him.
You know, he wanted to talk to people.
And like when he had those vulnerable moments like with that Native
American guy who was his friend who ran the shop that
he'd work for from time to time, he like cried in front of him, you know, when he like
remembered like his wife going
hunting with him, like shooting that gun.
And it just kind of like brought him back to when his native
American friend shot that deer.
Like it kind of brought him back to that whole
moment and he just started weeping in front of him.
And I thought that was such a, like, like truly masculine thing to do.
Like, you know, you're actually hoping yourself up to
be like, you know, truly vulnerable, you know?
And, you know, the whole thing is, you know, the, the undeniable truth is
we will all, like most of us will all meet a demise like Robert.
Nothing like, none of us will like have, most
of us will not have this outstanding sort of like, like in the public eye
death that that's just like, like, you know, people will notice us.
But a lot of us will't have this sort of thing where we're not even visible at all.
It'll just kind of be like there, you know?
And we will have these moments with like our loved
ones and, you know, people that we care about.
And we will just kind of like
like hopefully go quietly, you know, but we
will, you know, we'll just remember the things that we
went through and we had like the life that we have.
And hopefully we'll be great, be grateful for all of it, you know, because, you know,
not all of us are destined for greatness.
Like, I would say 99% of us are
are destined for greatness.
And that's something like, I think Robert knew
at the very beginning of the, like, like, I don't, at the very beginning of the film, right?
He just wanted to have a simple life with his wife and his kid
and like, you know, have a farm, you know, like, just live out his existence.
And that's what he was seeking, you know?
And I think the harsh reality
of it was that, you know, he had to face the.
The fragility of life and how, and come to terms with it, you know?
And I think that's a kind of a, like a, like a really harsh beauty, but it's a
a violent beauty, but it's beauty within itself, you know?
And that's the crazy compromise
we have to have with life, you know?
So for me, that was, I, I accidentally put it down as a three and a half.
I was looking at my, I gave it a four, a four and a four star.
And you can find me at Daily D. Thank you, Lux.
Really appreciate that.
Oh, very well said.
Great insight.
All right, Arnold.
It's your turn.
Give us your final thoughts, and then you know what comes out to that.
First.
I'm laughing already.
Your final thoughts.
And where can people find you?
Well, gosh, I'm See, that's what I love about this podcast.
It just seemed like pretty all straightforward.
Yeah, it's a story, you know, of this guy.
I mean, it was hard times living in the
the Industrial Revolution.
Industrial Revolution.
and, you know, not
the type of technology that we have nowadays, it's just, it's different.
You know, like the Native American friend who
came to visit and check up on him, it's like, wherever
he's going coming from, it's not like, all right, I'll be right back.
I'll be back in time for dinner.
It's like, I think I'll be back in maybe a week, you know, because
he's got a walk all the way over there.
Even when he was walking back to his cabin, he's like, you
know, it's back in the days when you look up at the sun and you're like, oh,
it looks like we got about 60 minutes left of sunlight.
I better get ready, get the fire going
You know?
Kind kind of makes me think of a bare grills, you know?
I mean, that's just as a little side note
for everyone, if you happen to be out in the woods and
you're having to survive, a finger's
thickness is about 15 minutes.
So if you place your fingers about, like
just right under the sun and just from like
where if there's mountains or where where the the sun will end,
if it's if it's that many, oh, you got like two hours
horizon.
Yes.
Yes.
So, yeah, just a little, just a little FYI, a little tip there for you.
They didn't talk about that not Boy Scouts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Arnie's a man scout.
Yeah.
But yeah, that's what I love about this podcast is
is, you know, we dive a little bit deeper
and we get a little bit more out of it as we go deeper.
And I love to go deeper
with it.
I said deep a lot.
Now I'm getting lost because I'm going really deep.
Anyways.
No, I'm just kidding.
I can't.
No, dead air. in.
Use a 995.
They don't have dead air on there, do they?
Jam and 99.5?
Is that what you're talking about?
Yes.
The movie?
No, I didn't win.
This was on Netflix.
No, I know, I know, but forget it.
Just go ahead.
Anyway, just just shout out to Jam and 995 for
all the free movies that I'd be getting from from there.
But what a story of this guy, gosh,
you really feel for him and just the just
the trauma that he experienced, you know, the fire losing his family and
I probably would be feeling the same way too.
don' You don't want to let go of hope.
He absolutely adored when he, at
the beginning of the movie, when he came back home and then and then then
you realized like, oh, he he had a baby with her.
And like the look that he gave, he was like, wow,
she's she's growing so fast.
She's getting so big.
Like he he the look that he that he gave really said it.
I thought that was a really great moment
And, you know, just just the moments that
it was very simple.
Nothing like extravagant, but just like simple moments
that even in our own lives, you know, laying
out in the grass and enjoying the stream, looking at the stars
In the movie, can be
like, well, is there something more exciting?
What else is going to be in this movie?
But at least for me in my life, I'd love to be able
to enjoy, take the time to do that because,
and especially do that with family because we're not promised tomorrow.
We're not promised.
We don't know what's going to happen.
And obviously
uh, you know, that fire happening when he gets
off the train and just the, gosh, I,
I, I probably would have been feeling the same as well.
Um, you know, still, he
didn't really have any closure because he didn't find, uh, when he got back to
where the house was, he didn't really find
like any bones or anything nothing.
So he still has that hope that that
maybe he'd see them again and that maybe they come back.
Gosh, yeah.
Sorry, I just thought I just just saw a word in the chat
that made me giggle.
and, uh, it made me kind of lose my train thought.
Our chat or your chat?
Um, No, my chat
is down to just a few people, but it was our chat, this one here.
After talking about this movie, really, really good movie, I think
I think I'm going to stick with the
original score that I had in mine, which is a a solid solidid
three and a half because y'all
know me, this is not my typical movie.
But three and a half
for, I thought it was a really good, really good movie.
And that that's my score.
You can find me at Arnie Caligo on all the socials.
And my that's my score.
I don't know what you call it.
Regular score.
Gotcha.
Well,
we know what follows that Arnold.
My favorite part of the show.
The Arnold Sn ameter, and we have, again, Heal and Afterpower is wonderful music.
Let's bring in the snooze a meter.
That's it.
Okay.
What is your snoozeome meter, scorenold?
All right.
Oh, bro, please.
You know what?
Go ahead.
Sorry. didn't wait.
Didn't William H.
Macy play a harmonica in the movie, too?
Oh, he did.
Yes.
That's right.
I forgot about that.
And you know what?
I don't remember that.
You know why?
A. Why?
Because there was a good chunk of the movie that.
I don't believe this guys.
That I fell asleep on.
Oh, But you know what?
What makes me keep it at a three and a half and
not bumpy it up was this.
So I felt I know I fell asleep probably for maybe 20 minutes or so.
And I was hoping that during the chat, after
talking about this, that there will be some parts that would be like, oh, I totally missed that
There was not really much until now, I don't remember any harmonica.
That's fair.
So what does that bring us to?
So that brings us us to a one and a half Z rating.
So, yeah.
That's not too terrible actually.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's been more Z's on other movies. but yeah.
All right.
Chris the Boss says my fellow movie sleeper.
Oh, shout.
Shout out to you, Chris the Boss.
Yeah.
And that very active chat tonight.
Yeah.
I love it.
Thanks.
I love it chat.
Yeah.
That leaves it all down to you, Adrian,
Mr. BWOTZ, too big.
Now we need to little musical hit for that.
No.
What I like about this show is that we'll
talk about something on a deeper level than I could even think about on my own.
And
it it changes the score for me because now
that I've understood it better, I appreciate it more.
I think this movie, it took some time to marinate and
then it took some time to like discuss it with you guys and help me appreciate it more.
I think this movie came out at the perfect time because in an age where like
everything is a competition for our attention, right?
And everything has to move fast and it's like constant dopamine hits.
You know, most stories like they have to hit
a certain rhythm, a certain beat constantly.
Kit to your point.
Right.
Exactly.
And like this movie, they're like, no, we're going to take our time.
It's going to be a meditation on, on love and loss
and existentialness, you know, just the life in general and all the stuff that he goes through.
And I really appreciate that aspect of it.
I appreciate that like
they didn't rush except for the except for the ending.
They didn't seem to really rush the story.
And and they they they weren't unapologetic about it.
So
Having said all that, I'm going to pump my scirrel up.
I initially gave it three stars on Letterbox.
I'm going to bump that up to three and a strong,
like Arnold said, three and a half.
Boom. stars.
I think, I think it's, I think it's worth watching.
I think that if you want to watch something that just kind of has like a different
you know, maybe if you need a little palette cleanser from your busier
movies, you' one battle after another's and your sinners and your weapons
and your all these other great, by the way, fast paced movies.
You know, this is a nice little palet cleanser for that.
So went past the Arnold?
Oh, that was That was Robert's wife..
By the way, I
haven't seen Felicity Jones or anything since Rogue One, and that was 10 years years ago now.
So that's crazy. same.
Oh, yeah.
That's.
It's Rogue One for me, too.
Yeah.
Apparently she's in the Brutalist, which I started, but I stopped because it's
like three and a half hours long, so.
Whoa.
Yeah.
I'll have to watch I finish watching now.
Dude, it took me like a month to finish Infinity Pool, but that's another discussion.
Anyway, yeah, that's my screen. score for Letterboxed,
you know, up my updated score, I should say, and you can find me on Letterboxed.
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Any final thoughts from the gentlemen?
Any final words.
Let's the chat specifically, Chris the
boss, Sheila, Deku Princess, HLP,
as always, you're the MPP.
Christabas, he wants to know if he can be on the
show and watch Raid Redemption like Arnold promised..
Oh, yeah.
Is that.
Which one is that?
I forget.
Raid Redemption.
I feel like I don't know.
I've never seen it.
Yeah.
Do I have a podcast for you?