In this episode, we dive deep into Quentin Tarantino’s Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, unpacking its dreamlike revisionist history, hangout-movie structure, and meditation on fading stardom. We discuss Leonardo DiCaprio’s performance as Rick Dalton, Brad Pitt’s enigmatic Cliff Booth, Margot Robbie’s portrayal of Sharon Tate, and how Tarantino rewrites Hollywood tragedy into myth. From pacing complaints to thematic admiration, we explore why this film fascinates us, even when it frustrates us.
In this episode, we finally tackle Quentin Tarantino’s Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, a film that has only grown more divisive with time. We approach it not just as a Tarantino film, but as a meditation on Hollywood nostalgia, aging masculinity, and the mythmaking power of cinema itself.
We start by talking about the film’s loose, meandering structure and how it operates more like a hangout movie than a traditional narrative. Rather than building toward constant plot escalation, the movie asks us to live alongside Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth as they drift through late-1960s Los Angeles. For some of us, that vibe is intoxicating; for others, it can feel indulgent and self-satisfied.
We spend a lot of time on Leonardo DiCaprio’s performance as Rick Dalton, breaking down how his insecurity, desperation, and occasional self-awareness make him one of Tarantino’s most human characters. His fear of irrelevance hits especially hard in a story obsessed with the end of an era. We contrast that with Brad Pitt’s Cliff Booth, cool, capable, and intentionally opaque, and debate whether the character is aspirational, troubling, or both.
Margot Robbie’s Sharon Tate becomes a major point of discussion as well. We examine Tarantino’s choice to portray her more as a presence than a fully fleshed-out character, and whether that approach feels respectful, reductive, or somewhere in between. Her scenes embody the film’s nostalgia but also raise questions about agency and perspective.
Naturally, we dig into Tarantino’s revisionist history and the insane third act. We talk about why rewriting real-world violence into cathartic fantasy has become such a defining feature of his later career, and whether Once Upon a Time in Hollywood earns that ending emotionally and thematically.
By the end, we land in a complicated place. We admire the craft, performances, and atmosphere, even as we wrestle with the film’s pacing, indulgence, and tonal choices. It’s a movie we don’t entirely love, but one we can’t stop thinking about, which might be the most Tarantino outcome possible.
Welcome to the Never Seen It Podcast.
The only podcast called Never Seen It, that's worth listening to.
With us tonight, Mr. Daily Dares, aka.
Filipino Grigio aka Alex Go
is here tonight as well as Mr. Ghostnerd 88.
aka Justin Holden.
And then there's me, B too big.
Aka.
Adrian Delator.
We're discussing that I can't believe 2019, it's a 2019 movie.
This movie is as old as our show, by the way.
Once upon a Time in Hollywoodollywood
the famous Tarantino movie.
I think this is the last movie he's made.
I don't think he's made anything sense.
No.
He hasn't.
He's making his
very final movie.pply. critic.
Yeah.
He's a fucking liar.
I don't care what he said.
He's going to make another movie.
We'll talk about this.
We'll talk about this.
In Los Angeles in 1969
TV star Rick Dalton, a struggling actress specializing
in Westerns and stuntman Cliff Booth, his best friend, tried
to survive in a constantly changing movie industry.
Dalton is a neighbor of the young and promising actress and model sharing
Tate, who has married the
igious Polish director, Roman
Polanski, dare we say his name, starring, of course, Leo DiCabrio,
Brad Pitt, Marco, Robbie, Emil Hirsch, Margaret Quey,
it's a who's who of the popular kids of the 2020s.
Julia Butters, Dakota.
Dakota Fannie was in this?
I totally missed that.
Awesome Butler, Bruce Dern, of course, got to have Bruce Dern in Tarantino joint.
Luke Perry, Damien Lewis, Al Pacino,
who has like two scenes, I think.
I'm sad that Arnold's not on here because we could have talked about Luke Perry
with him.
That's right.
What was the thing he said about him?
I don't remember.
It was something ridiculous.
He's the 9021 guy, 90210 guy,
and he has the face where he's like, his
model face is like smile and then stop smiling.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, no.
But have the smiling eyes or whatever?
Arnold has the best impressions, doesn't he?
Like, he really knows how to..
He has a good face card.
Well, I think he's studied Luke Perry for a whole long time, to be fair.
He's He's the president of the unofficial Luke Perry fan club.
Pretty much.
But before we get into this, I want
to start right off the bat to address the recent kerfluffle
between Tarantino, who made some comments about actor Paul Dano.
And I don't want to missiscook him.
So just to give you context
he said that he was watching, what is it?
There will be Blood and he said about Paul Dano.
He said, he is the weak sister.
He's just such a weak, weak,
uninteresting guy, the weakest fucking actor in SAG.
So the internet reacts to this
the way the internet does, which is, what the fuck is he talking about?
We love Paul Dino.
Paul Dino's great.
He acted opposite Daniel DeLewis.
You can act opposite Daniel DeLewis.
You've made it.
And he was young when that movie came out.
He's gotten only better with time, right?
Did you guys, I don't know if you guys saw the Felmans.
He was the dad in the Fable.
He was great. actually.
He was great in that role.
He's great.
Everything I've seen, Paul Dano, and he's been great.
Paul Danano was in the girl next door with Alicia Cuthbert.
Yeah, I remember that.
Oh, wow.
That's that he had.
Wow.
That's early Paul Paul Danano, too.?
Bill Hirsch was in that, too.
Oh, that's
But yeah, Paul Dano, I mean, come on.
He's a great actor.
I don't know what Taragino's on.
What do you guys think?
Justin, I'll start with you, because I know you like Paul Dano, right?
well?
Yeah, absolutely.
Who doesn't?
I love a Swiss Army, man.
Like, that was great.
I never saw that, but that looked so unhinged.
It's so unhinged, but if you look past the
weirdness, it's a very wonderful story about
a man and his dead body friend.
Anyway, um I
think I think Quinn Tarantino is on crack with this one.
Don't get me wrong, Quinn Tarantino has some great movies.
I know that he has a foot fetish and things like that.
Wonderful.
He has wonderful movies.
But
I think he's a bit of a hater.
And I think this movie Once Upon a Time in Hollywood kind
of reflects how much of a hater he is.
I don't know, like, okay, obviously I've
never met Bruce Lee in person.
I've never, uh, I've only, I only know Bruce Lee by his movies.
I've never seen any like
interviews, maybe like one or two here and there,
but, you know, Bruce Lee obviously has a presence in the media of sorts.
And I feel like, I feel like he kind of relays
his hate for Bruce Lee in this movie a little bit.
And when I watched this movie the first time
I didn't really catch it.
I was more of like, oh, you know, maybe Bruce Lee
was actually a super terrible person to,
you know, direct or work with in Hollywood.
But I feel like it's just Tarantino.
He's just a hater of certain people.
And I think after everything that it's come
out recently, especially about Paul Dano, and there
was someone else that he was like hating on too, I forget.
Matthew Lillard.
Matthew Lillard.
Wilson.
And Owen Wilson, which, whatever. give or take that., whatever.
I have my opinions on Owen Wilson as well, but, but to
call out these specific actors, uh, out
of left field, at least it seems like it's out of left field.
I feel like he's just a hater of people who
I don't know.
I can't really put my finger on it.
He just, I think he was a Bruce Lee hater as well.
That's my opinion, though, because just the
way he portrays Bruce Lee in the movie as just this
stuck up like action movie star and whatnot.
Yeah, I don't know.
I feel like he's a hater.
So it's strange, right?
Because if you look at any of his movies,
most of them, a lot of them are inspired by Kung
Fu movies from that era.
So I would have thought that he would have,
I guess, paid more respect towards somebody like Bruce Lee, but he took some creative liberties.
So, I did some research on that.
And to be fair, um he's actually
not a Tarantino's not a hater of like Bruce Lee.
He actually, it was kind of what it was.
It was like
a daydream sequence.
It was that whole sequence was like meant to be a daydream
where like it was Brad
Pitt's character, I can't remember his name, but it was kind of like his Booth.
Yeah, Cliff Booth.
It was kind of like him in his own mind
like pretending to be on the same set as Bruce Lee.
And like, it was kind of like, like his
daydream of like his justification to fight Bruce Lee.
Like he saw like, oh, Bruce Lee is just being a dick to somebody
But in reality, Tarant T was
a huge fan of, he is a huge fan of a Bruce Lee.
It was just, he needed to, in that whole daydream
sequence, he needed to justify the reason why Cliff fought Bruce Lee
in the film.
It, Although he did, I mean, Shannon
Lee did take some umbrage with that scene.
Right.
She thought like it was like a mockery of her dad.
And I get it.
Like, I'm I when I first heard about it, like, I took offense to it, but then
you know, it was one of those things where, like, I saw what
he was trying to do with the character of Cliff Booth because
he was kind of too, like, in a sense, like kind of
a failing actor in a way because, because
his career is tied to, um, Leo DiCaprio's character, right?
Or his actor, his career.
Yeah.
So if he doesn't, if Leo doesn't have a career
Cliff doesn't have a career.
And, you know, like that whole whole thing
was just kind of him like, oh, maybe I can go off and
just become this badass actor or whatever, too.
So that that was his daydream.
And so, yeah, I mean, I get it.
And, as an Asian man,
you know, who love Boo Lee, you know, he's one
of my heroes, I definitely did like take some offense to it at first.
But then I, you know, I I pumped my brakes and I kind of did my research.
And I was like, okay, I get it.
Well, I mean, like, and maybe you can explain what
the research you've done, but at what,
because I the two times that I've watched this movie, I just don't, I don't, I'm not picking up on it.
Or at least to me, it wasn't done well enough to pick up on.
But at what point in time would you consider
it to be like a daydream?
Because I'm kind of confused where that line is blurred at.
It's him like working.
So he's working on the roof and he's like kind of
I made the connection just live on air.
That makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, you're right.
Absolutely.
And then, yeah, then he drifts off there and
then he comes back to working on the roof.
You heard it here first, folks.
Wrong again.
No, no, that's what's good about this
is that we can explore these topics and how many realizations
have I had, you know, just while doing..
I mean, I had that realization myself watching it the second time
and like, even after, especially after doing the research too.
I was like, man, why did he make him look like such a dick?
Then I, I, okay, I was like, oh, okay, it was a daydream.
That's all it it was.
Yeah.
And you know what?
And think thinking about it now.
Now I see, because that's, okay, now I understand why he's
like on the roof in after where he's like, yeah.
And he's like, oh yeah, that makes a lot more sense now.
I didn't even really think of it as a daydreamer.
It just seemed like, like he was on the roof and
this was just a cut from like earlier in the day
and then it cuts back to him and he goes like, oh
yeah, you know, now that makes so much more sense.
Yeah.
Well, going back to where you were saying, Justin, about Tarantino being a hater, you're not wrong about that.
If you watch any interview at Tarantino, any interview,
almost any interview, he's being a dick to somebody or he's talking shit about something or someone
I mean, when this movie came out, they were on the press tour. someone
asked him, how come you didn't like give Sharon Tate
or Margot Robbie a lot of like dialogue, even
though she's the only like main female character and he's like, immediately
without even hesitating, he's like, I reject her your hypothesis.
I reject your hypothes.
Why not just engage with someone?
Why I just talk to them and say, look, I disagree with you because
X, Y, and Z. Instead, he's just like, I reject your hypothesis.
And there's like a famous in interview of him where he talks to this well-known British
journalist guy, and he's like, I'm not going to talk about violence in my movies.
I've already talked about violence in my movies.
You already know what I have to say about violence in my.
And he just goes on like that.
It's like, I love the guy's movies, but he is a dick.
Like, he is, you know?
This may come as a shock to some, but that's the kind of personality he has, you know what I mean?
I mean, look at look at all interviews
with David Lynch, though.
Look at all the greats, man.
You know, how many times do
do people have to like repeat the questions that they've they've had, you know?
Like, how tiresome, how tired would you
get like having the answer the same question?
I would.
Yeah.
Like, like, like, it's Imagine if somebody came
up to you is like, it came up to me and was like,
so what, uh, like, are you, are you Filipino?
Are you like, like, how many times have I like, you know, do I have to
explain the fact that I am Filipino?
You know, like, I get what you saying.
It's in my name.
Right.
Filipino Grigio.
I don't know, Alex.
You seem very caucasian.
A little Italian.
It's like, I'm not going to like, well, my mom was born in.
Yeah.
I don't have to justify it to you.
I don't I've done it.
I've I'm done justifying myself.
Like, how many more times do I have to do so?
Just go watch another old like interview.
Right.
You're just rehashing the same.
To me, that kind of question is like a lazy
like reporter.
And that guy is known for asking
some kind of inane question sometimes, not just with Tarantino.
But I guess when you're at Tarantino's level of success, you kind of have like
the, the, I don't know,
the ability to act that way and get away with it, right?
Because he is one of the most successful directors of our time..
There was an interview with Tarantino where,
and you can tell this person was like a rookie interview, or at least a rookie in that moment, but.
I think they were answering or they were asking a question like that was
asked on the internet.
And he was trying to set up the question, but they like completely failed
on like asking that question to, Tarantino.
And it was something along the lines of like, um, are,
are all the people in your movies just blood bags or something like that?
Like, and then Tarantino turns around and he goes like, what the fuck are you talking about?
I think that's that's one of my favorite Quentin Tarantino.
But, but on top of that, it's like at
what point in time, as a director, a renowned
director of, you know, amazing movies across the board, at what point in time
does it is it okay for
them to just kind of be an asshole, like about like certain things?
I don't know.
It's not really okay to be an asshole about anything..
Right.
Yeah.
I know it's not okay to be an asshole, but at what point in time
do you like stop to stop yourself and
be like, okay, like, maybe I should
be answering these questions a little bit more
professionally or start, yeah, I don't know.
That's what I was going to say is that as somebody who worked in TV News for many years
you have to learn how to ask the right questions to people, right?
And how to ask them depending on who you're talking to.
Because one day you might be interviewing a homeless person and the next day
you might be interviewing the governor of the state you live in.
So, you know, you have to always have a certain level of respect
when you talk to people.
And you hope that the person you're talking to has that same level of respect for you, right?
They don't always, but I just think Tarantino, you know, I think he's cocky.
I think he's a cocky guy, and I think he just is going to answer how he feels the need to answer.
You know, I don't think he has like, he probably doesn't have like a PR
person that like grooms him to like, you know, act a certain way in interviews.
He kind of just does this thing for what it seems like, right?
But
the point of all this is to say that I'm not surprised
that he made those comments.
I'm surprised who he made him about. because Paul Danano is
a beloved Paul Dano, beloved actor, I should say, not a beloved Paul Danino, but you know what I mean.
And someone said, I think it was on threads or something someone said,
this is the first time someone's been reversed canceled
because everyone came to Paul Dano's defense.
Yeah.
Not as many people came to Matthew Lillard's or Owen Wilson's
defense, but everybody came to Paul Danano's defense like
almost right away, like famous people who have worked with him, everybody.
So
it really tells you something about him, right?
And and how like quickly they were like, what what is he talking about?
Fuck him.
Paul Danielano's great.
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
That whole thing.
Well, I think, though, too, when it comes to
opinion in general, we're all allowed to have one.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's fine.
But at the same time, like you said, there is
a level of professionality, but he's.
It's one of those things, too, where, like, I
think he might.
I don't think he's above, uh,
recourse.
Or what's the word?
Yeah.
He's not a brother of reproach.
Oh, yeah.
However,
as someone like
Tarantino is, he's very opinionated.
And his opinions can like always be very
in a word viral, you know?
Yeah.
That's But that's the
same way with like, any like famous director
or, you know, like actor even, their opinions are just going to go viral.
I'm going to laugh if like when he announces his
cast for his next movie, I'm just, Matthew
Lillard did mentioned this whole thing has been.
The biggest apology of all time.
Maybe not even an apology, but it's just like.
Just a public stuff.
Maybe I'll figure out what this guy's all about since everybody loves him so much.
Let me cast him and see if he does well.
You know, that's type of deal.
I feel like he would be that kind of person.
That would be great.
Like, if he showed a little bit of humility and was like, you know what?
Yeah, I'm going to cast Paul Dino because he's amazing.
And, and then the movie comes out and everyone's like, holy shit.
I think Tarantino would be the type of person that would be
like, who would want to be pro proven wrong if he can' could be.
You know what I mean?
Maybe.
What if this is all a ruse
to like, you know drum up publicity for his upcoming movie?
Right.
He's like people don't, maybe people don't even realize that he cast
Paul Dano, Matthew, and Owen Wilson in his new field.
What if that's the case, you know?
What if he wrote all the
roles specifically for these people just to see how well these guys can do?
Because, you know, that's again, he could be challenging himself.
He's like, maybe that's going to be, my next thing is
to challenge myself to like work with people that I don't like.
I don't turns out.
Yeah.
It turns out
It turns out in the end also that Nathan Fielder was there making a
documentary about all this that's going to come on on HBO Max in 2028 or something.
F would be great.
I'm still waiting for Nathan Fielder to come out and say this entire regime right now.
Is it been just a very large Nathan for you sketch that's gone on way too long?
It's going to be making rehearsal for the actual end of the world?
The plan.
Get Donald Trump elected.
Again.
No.
I love Matthew Builder.
He's great.
Yeah, Matthew
Matthew Lillard is great, too.
Owen Wilson is great as well. in his own way.
I mean, I don't I don't expect an Academy Award-winning performance
from Owen Wilson in anything, but, you know, what he
does works in every role he's, you know, we did Dar Yielding Limited.
I mean, he's great in that movie.
He's amazing, actually.
So maybe he is better than I think he is.
I don't know.
We'll see.
But anyway, we're talking about Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
I wanted to bring this up because, you know, it's Tarantino movie.
This is the first Tarantino movie we've done, by the way.
I was thinking about that earlier.
I was like, I don't've done.
Yeah, we haven't done anything else.
So this is the first one
And it was picked by Amber, who's not here tonight, but that's okay.
We'll discuss a different one with her later.
But yeah, I don't know why she picked it, but I don't, I will say we're off the bat.
It's not my favorite turn Gina movie.
And I wanted to ask you guys, where does this rank for
you guys each as far as Tarantino's movies?
Alex, I'll start with you.
Like, where does this one rank for you?
I'm really curious to know this.
Um, it's definitely one of the lower ones.
Um, I don't
At first one...
What's directly above this, would you say?
Jackie Brown?
Probably Jackie Brown.
Jackie Brown.
Probably Jackie Brown.
Jackie Brown.
Here's the thing.
I need to rewatch..
I really need to watch Jackie Brown again.
That's the thing.
I've only seen it twice, and that was way back when it first came out.
Oh, it was, wow
And I know that Jackie Brown. was
kind of like part of that whole like series of books that he.
What's what's the writer's name?
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know.
It was basically a series of books.
But anyways, yeah, it was based on a series of books and he like kind of
turned it into a different,
like a similar, it was based on that original story,
but he made it very Tarantino-esque.
Right.
He based it around like Pam Brown's character.
Well, Pam Greer, you mean?
Pam Greer.
Pam Gre.
She's She's great.
It deserves a rewatch.
Oh, Every I re-watched it like, I don't know, a few years back.
Oh, I know I need to watch it again, because I feel like Oh, it's still good.
I feel like it's probably much better than I really remember it to be.
Yeah.
But my all-time favorite Tarantino film,
I would have to say it's Pulp Fiction.
Okay.
I can respect that.
Pulp Fiction.
Kill Bill, Volume 1, and then Reservoir Dogs.
Oh, wow.
That's an interesting ranking.
Okay.
Oh, actually, you know what?
If we're actually like in the pantheon
of actual Tarantino written stuff, true Romance would be number one.
Oh, there you go.
Justin, how about you?
Where would you rank this among your Tarantino movies?
I would rate this number nine out of his nine movies.
Oh, oh, so you also have this at the bottom.
That's so interesting.
Yeah.
What's rank you above this?
What's number eight for you?
So here, you know what?
The funny thing is I still have not seen True and Romance.
But I think, man, it's.
Well, you rer that, so if we're just talking directed by..
Well, if we're just talking directed by...
I think,
man, in my opinion, I'm going to say,
I'm going to say natural Born Killers. also. also only wrote that.
Like, just above that.
He only wrote that?
He'tire those?
That was directed by Oliver Stone, believe it or not.
Damn.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, then I'll let me just tell you in my top three.
Okay, yeah.
Okay, so it's so hard because I like a lot.
So I have a very interesting infatuation with death proof.
I would consider that my number one.
And then I would I also really liked
like Pulp Fiction would be number two, Kill Bill 3.
I like Kill Bill Bill a lot.
No, I'm sorry.
I'm going to change that.
I'm going to put Reservoir Dogs at 3, Kill Bill for
what's it?
I really liked the Hateeful Eight.
Hefulight, too.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't want to go into the whole list, but those will
be like my top Tarantino movies.
I'll give you my top three really quick.
It's going to be Kill Bill
and I count Kill Bill one and two as one movie.
Let's just keep it simple.
I agree, actually.
I agree that Kill Bill 1 and two two is one.
It's the whole bloody affair, you know?
Pulp Fiction.
And then, and this is a very, very
strong number three and Glorious Bastards.
I fucking love that movie.
That is such a good movie.
I forgot about that, yeah.
That is such a good movie.
Yeah, you're right.
That's a good one.
But I would this.
It's top fiver for sure.
That's a top fiveiver.
I mean, Brad Pitt really chews the scenery in that movie.
I was hoping he would do the same in this one, and I don't feel like he did.
But yeah, the movie starts off, so we meet Clip Booth.
We meet Dalton, Rick Dalton.
He's kind of like a washed up se semi- washed up
actor and he gets convinced by Al Pacino's character to
essentially do Spaghetti Westerns,
which Dalton doesn't want to do because he, you know, he looks down upon them, right?
I guess at that in that era, and I don't know much about the history of this.
So if you guys know, please feel free to speak up, but I guess Spaghetti
Westerns are just kind of like the cheap, quickly made, like movies
of the day, because they filmed them in Italy because it was a lot cheaper and stuff.
But yeah, it was a whole thing.
And
so they do that, and then Rick Dalton, or excuse
me, um, uh, Cliff Booth kind of drives around LA, which,
which looks amazing in this movie.
I don't know how much CG if any of they did to like
make LA resemble the time period at that time period, but it looks amazing.
The film is beautifully shot, as always.
And yeah, Cliff kind of sees these hippies, the
main hippie being Margaret Quey, which we've talked about when we did the substance.
And then there's also Sidney Sweeney, Michael Mikey Matson
And I is Austin Butler one of the hippies?
I can't remember.
He was He plays Tex.
Yeah.
He plays.
Oh, that's right.
Okay, yeah.
And yeah, like, and then, and then they show Sharon Tate, right?
And she doesn't have and she doesn't have a lot of dialogue.
And I was reading about this
that Tarantino wanted to just kind of like show kind of like the day
in her life sprinkle throughout and not necessarily have to have her
talk because he thought it was more cinematic that way.
What did you guys think about the Sharon Tate subplot?
Because to me, like it felt very kind of like sprinkled in, and I don't know if it completely works for me
I'll say you guys.
I think it didn't really,
it just felt like a completely separate movie in general.
Like it almost didn't have anything
to do with Cliff Booth and Dalton's.
Other than she's just there kind of in the background.
Yeah.
Right?
Like
it's like, oh, we're showing that this was this era,
but we're not really engaging with it that much until the last 30 minutes, which we'll get to.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't, I think it's a separate movie in itself too.
And I know that there was theories about Tarantino like
making his next film a sequel to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
So maybe they would do like a sequel involving
Sharon Tate and what happened at the them and things like that.
I mean, it's kind of like suggested,
sort of, given the events that happen near the second half of the film.
But I think in my my opinion that
Sharon Tate is kind of like
um, and not to use like a video game reference,
but it's like, Princess Peach's
captle for Rick Dalton in particular
because Rick Dalton spends like the beginning of the movie being
like, oh, like, these are my neighbors.
Like, who the hell, who the hell are they?
And then he's like, I live next to Roman Polanski.
And
I think that was kind of like his version of
like Princess Peach, you know, after death defeating Bowser.
That's his Princess Peach at the end.
They may not be in a relationship, but it's also for
Rick Dalton, it's also a really good movie connection because Sharon Tate is like a rising star
for that time before, unfortunately, her untimely murder.
But Roman Polanski was
like a big director as well, but before his unfortunate things that he did.
If if nobody knows what Roman Polanski did,
he evaded the country because he was going to be
sent to jailail for sleeping with a 13-year-old.
So just FYI, if the audience didn't know that.
But I think I think for Rook Dalton
being kind of sort of like a washed up actor,
this was his opportunity to get that connect in so
he can like come back, make his comeback.
And to kind of touch on what you said about like Spaghetti Western
at the time, I know,
okay, let's take John Wayne, for example.
John Wayne is known as a guy who is in just
a ton of like Westerns.
But you can see like near the end of his career, he wanted to do like other things.
He didn't want to just be typecasted as
the Western guy, you know?
So he went on to do like movies like Genghis
Khan, and he did some like war movies and stuff like that.
But it just seemed like he was
permanently in that cowboy role.
And I think that's what Rick Dalton, he didn't
didn't want to do Westerns anymore because, you're right.
I mean, you're right.
It's a cheap and easy thing to film because,
one, yeah, the Backlot, which is the universal Backlot,
by the way, was already set up for Westerns in particular,
so they didn't have to do a whole lot of work anyway.
So you already have the costuming made and done.
And, you know, it's so easy to just pull off the
cowboy hero and horse type of deal
or do a buddy cowboy movie.
Yeah, Westerns were a very easy thing
at one point in time to make.
And so because of the popularity of like shows like
Bonanza and things like that, everybody wanted to hop onto that Western
train and make something
different or their own version of that.
So I think in a way, like he was taking
these jobs because it was going to give him a paycheck.
But at the same time, I think that
Sharon Tate was his goal to making
a difference in his career for pivoting his career
Right.
That's so interesting guy.
I never thought about that or I didn't know about that.
That's so interesting.
I can see the parallels between a
Rick Dalton and like a John Wayne type or whatever, right?
He was obviously an aging actor by 1969, I would think, right?
John Wayne was?
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I mean, and if we're talking about like younger actors, too, think of Jack Nicholson.
Like, when he got his career started, he was in Westerns and same thing with
what's his name?
Gran Tno.
Oh, my God, I can't believe that.
Clint Eastwood.
Clint Eastwood, yeah.
I mean, like they' both of Jack Nicholson in the last.
I can't do the voice.
They both pivoted their careers into doing like more like
thriller, you know, drama things.
And was it Bridges Overmed Medicine County, you know?
I never saw that, but I've heard of it.
Yeah, just saying.
I's quite the name.
It's, it's both of
those actors, they started their careers in Westerns, and then they pivoted.
That's what they wanted.
That's a good point.
But it was an easy way, just like how horror movies are an easy way in.
It's like a nice little foot in the door
And if it's successful, then you guys got yourself,
you can be creative and have any freedom you want at that point.
I'm sure you can appreciate that they're still making horror movies.
And they're not making Westerns anymore.
You know what I mean?
I do like my Westerns in some shape or form.
I really do.
Interesting.
I wish they would make
like a nice little gunslinger here and there.
I mean, I don't want one all the time, but I do love my Western.
Would you guys say the Westerns were like the superhero movies of their time?
Yeah.
Yeah.. was a little prolific they were.
Yeah.
Pro-American, you know.
Very pretty.
The hero wins every time and a bad guy dies
and gets his and gets put in jail, you know.
It's crazy.
But that makes so much sense.
I guess that makes me appreciate the first part of the movie more because
when I first watched it, and I think I went to go to the theater to watch it back
in 2019, which was a lifetime ago at this point.
I remember sitting there and thinking like,
ah, where's this story going?
Like, there's a lot of driving around and there's a lot of, like, it's great.
The vibes are great, but, where's it going?
Like, I just, I didn't know where it was going.
Like, I almost feel like with past movies of his, you kind of have a clear idea.
Like Django Unchained, they're going to go rescue the girl and
and probably kill some, you know, racist KKK guys in the process
unglorious bastards, they're going to kill some Nazis, right?
You know, and rescue some people in the process.
But like in this movie, I was like, I don't know where it's going and and I don't like it.
I feel like I got the same vibe from this as I got from Jackie Brown.
Albe like I said, I
watched Jackie Brown also so long ago.
It did have, they both kind of
felt like they'd had that meandering sort of feeling.
But at the same time, I feel like
you could probably say that about Pulp Fiction, that whole kind of meandering feeling
But however, I will say that
with Pulp Fiction, because it's cut up into like like little vignettes and sketches.
It was non-linear.
It was non-linear.
That was very novel at the time, wasn't it?
Yeah.
They were Whereas like these are
like, like Jackie Brown and more
so, like I could speak more on Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
This is very linear with a
few exceptions of like maybe some, you know, flashbacks
But overall, it was very linear.
Yeah.
So the whole meandering thing just
seems more so like, it almost feels like a slice of life
per se.
Like, like,
you're just following along with everybody's day, you know, like them just doing things.
Like it almost felt like, like watching Dazed
and Confused in a a way, you know?
I can see that.
So.
With a lot more violence than that movie.
Yeah.
Because.
The funny thing is, it's like, what, the violence,
the uber violence doesn't arrive until the very end, right?
Like how.
Right.
I will, I do want to talk about the one, the most
tense scene in the movie for me was where Cliff goes and
visits the farm or the trailer park that the hippies are living in or whatever.
Yeah.
That was a great scene.
The tension building in that scene was fantastic
I didn't know what was going to happen.
I was worried for Cliff Booth.
I was like, oh, no, he's going to get got.
Yeah.
And maybe, and that's at the point where I was like, okay, Cliff
Booth's going to get got and Rick Dahl's going to somehow find out
and he's going to come back and basically go after the hippies or go after Manson or whatever.
Here's the thing with that scene, right?
It kind of, well, that's the thing.
I was going to say, it kind of
plays into his daydream, right?
You know, he kind of,
you know, inventedvisions his badassery
and brings it to life in that moment, right?
He's like, I'm going to go see what my friend is.
I'm going to, but it almost like, it's not like he's
trying to be a badass
He's almost as if he's trying to
prove to himself that he's still a badass, that he's still can stand up for the right thing.
And he can still, because if you think about it in that, in that daydream
where he's fighting Bruce Lee, um, he's
standing up for all the, like the people that he's like
this imaginary version of Bruce Lee is,
is like talking down to or like belittling, right?
So he's taking that sort of energy and
carrying it with him into the scene to like see what his, his old friend.
He's like, this sounds super sketch.
I'm going to check this out.
I'm going to check out my friend, you know.
And so that's what it feels like.
That scene like feels
him.
And then finally, when you get to the
very end, that's when he really, really proves that that he's a badass.
Right.
Now, before we get to that, because I do want to talk about that.
But what did you guys think about the scene where Rick Dalton's filming that TV show
and the little girl tells him, you're a great actor or something?
And he he cries.
Did you guys like that?
I love that.
Yeah, it was a good scene.
And she goes like, that was the that
was the great, the best acting I've ever seen in my
whole life or something like that, or that was the greatest acting I've ever seen in my whole life.
And I feel like him starting to cry
in that moment was, was that
was a justification thing that he still has it.
That he still, he's still got the acting chops because I,
you know, honestly, like, if you ever had like a younger
person come up to to you and be like, hey, you're like, you're really
great at this or I really appreciate you for this.
It makes you feel good because, you know, it's like you're being acknowledged by
a younger generation that may or may not like
give a shit about the shit that you're doing.
No, I'm serious.
No, no, I agree.
I 100% agree.
Like, I remember, like, even in our own podcast, we were
when Amber was talking about, like, when we were watching, when we were talking about the Crow, right?
And we were talking about
the soundtracks and everything.
She like, she's like, she said,
she paid enough. like a compliment to me where she's like, man,
how long ago, how old were you when you watched this and you were like listening to this music?
She's like, she's like, you are cool, man.
And then like the fact that she's like, like the
youngest of our group other than Milkman,
he's like, that was to me, like, I was like, oh, man, thank you.
Thank you so much.
And even to this day, like, like at, at my work,
like, you know, they, a
lot of them like, will say, like, oh man, Alex is our backbone,
you know, he's the backbone of our team, you know, like, I've always said, you're the thinker.
You know, you think about things on a deeper level
You know what I mean, that I'm not always capable of.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's it's funny too.
Like, like they've said, like, even though like some
of those kids will come into the back and they like going into the back and
doing dishes because they know that like they could like
come hang out with me and they're like, always have a good conversation, like,
I feel like, I feel like that's such like a, like a great compliment.
Like I love that.
It's like, it warms my heart, you know?
Yeah.
You could be like the Obi-Wan slash Yoda at your workplace, you know?
I'm sure you give good, and you do give good wisdom in general.
I'm sure you give younger people good wisdom because you've lived a life, right?
You're still living a life.
But I'm saying, like, you know, we've all made mistakes.
We've all made mistakes.
We've all learned from them.
I think it's valuable to be able to, you know,
Yeah, I mean, tell that to younger people.
Even the mistakes I've made, yeah.
Right.
You are shaped by your mistakes.
We all are.
So that's good to have.
Yeah, well, that was one of my, that was the other scene in that stood out.
I do want to, so yeah, let's get to the ending.
Can I actually, was, please.s
because I don't know if we're going to cover or not, but I just want to jump on it now.
You know, I think it might be a missed opportunity,
in my opinion, on Tarantino's part to connect worlds a little bit
Because, like death
proof, like there's a certain point in time where it's a time piece
and then they like speed it up two years later and then it's like more of like a modern piece or whatever.
I think.
No, no.
Yeah, I'm kind of sort of correct, but anyway, so
in Deathroof, we have Stuntman Mike, right?
And that's played by, and that's played by our wonderful Kurt Russell.
And Kurt Russell shows up in this movie.
And actually, if you listen to like the second half of the movie
Kurt Russell is actually the narrator for the remainder of the movie.
I feel like there's a missed opportunity where
they could have, because his character is named something else.
I forget what his name is, in Once
Upon a Time in Hollywood, but that would have been a wonderful opportunity to
introduce Kurt Russell's character as stuntman
Mike and made that connection with Cliff Booth.
I feel like that would have made for a
nice little, like, not even like a shout out to a past movie,
but to make the Cliff Booth thing a little bit more relatable.
Like Cliff Booth, he's known for like murdering his wife, supposedly.
I feel I feel and it just seems like there's this like
ragtag of stuntmen who are all
like just violent pieces of shit, apparently.
Right.
Well, I was going to say, there is a little bit of a loose Tarantino verse, right?
Because I remember reading that Michael Madson's
character in Reservoir Dogs was supposed to be related to John Travolta's character
and P Pulp Fiction.
Yeah.
But they never' to address it.
Well, they were supposed to the last name, don't they?
Or something?
Well, there was talks of a
movie about those brothers.
That would have been great.
Michael Mat.
Who is in this?
I think was this his last movie or his last Tarantino movie?
I believe it was his last Tarantino movie, obviously.
It's Last Tarantino movie.
That's true.
But, no, no.
There's a lot of connective tissue that I think
there's some connective tissue with the Reservo
Dogs and Pulfiction to Kill Bill.
I can't remember exactly what.
But, you know, that's the whole thing too.
Like there is that whole, like early days.
Even Kevin Smith was doing that with his films.
Yeah, Kevin Smith kind of had a...
But I I think that's kind of like, you know, there's a catch
22 of that, you know, like you could do that sort of
stuff and then it creates this whole expectation to continuously do that.
And I think that's what happened with Kevin Smith.
He tried to maintain that
and it kind of backfired because like, you know,
a lot of those things, they just, it's just hard
to like maintain unless it's like the actual same movie
line of movies, like Clerks 1, 2, and 3.
It's easier to like have connected tissue rather than like
like clerks has connective tissue to chasing Amy.
Right.
And so they exist in the same world, but they almost
exist as separate things as well.
Yeah, Tarantino has that, like the red apple
cigarettes appear in a lot of his movies
Yeah.
I think they're also in True Romance.
I think, what's his name?
The dad that gets shot by, oh my God.
I'm blanking on these everybody's names, famous actors.
Yeah.
The dad, the guy gets shot in his home
by, what's his name?
My Christopher Walker.
Christopher Christopher Walk, yes.
Sorry.
Yeah.
But the dad is smoking.
I believe they are red apple cigarettes in that movie.
And that's that was just a movie written by him.
I like those little details.
I like the little, like you said, connected tissue.
Even if the story is not the little thing connect them, you know, brand.
I think the connective tissue is a lot more
fun when it isn't explicitly spoken.
Like for us to discuss it, I think it's more fun to like kind of
like, just in the saying, this is a missed opportunity,
but at the same time, it's more fun to like speculate
on that than to like have it be confirmed.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like, I feel like like we could we could create
these own universes in our own minds.
Yeah.
And I think that's much more exciting to me than to like
have it confirmed.
It's like, okay, well, then I don't have to do the work anymore.
It goes back to what I say about avoiding the Medicloan
problem where you overexplained lore.
Like, you didn't need to know what gives somebody the
force, but he had to force it in
with these meticlorian explanations.
It's like, okay, Lucas, thank you very much.
By the way, it was Dennis Hopper who plays the dad in True Romance and
he gets shot by Christopher Walken.
Yeah, I don't like to have everything overvexplained.
Like leave a little bit of mystery.
Let it live up here.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I love mystery.
But yeah, so, okay.
The last scene to set it up.
And Tarantino did this in Inglorious Bastards, this alt
history, which I think is great, by the way.
I love that scene in Inglorious Bastards where they take out Hitler and everybody else.
in the movie theater.
Can I say before you move forward?
Please.
I think what I love about Tarantino is that he's kind of
rewriting history in
for his own universes, you know?
Like, obviously, like Sharon
Tate didn't survive the murder..
But he's like creating this sort of like.
Revenge fantasy.
Yeah, Revenge fantasy out of it, right?
Like it's because he he's like he is
probably a huge fan of Sharon Tate.
And like he probably wishes that she was still alive and doing like movies
And so for him to be like, I wish I
could do a a revenge film for her.
And this is exactly what it is.
You know what I mean?
Like, the murderers make the mistake of like going
to the wrong house and like you got this badass stuntman
who like can obviously handle himself,
even on what was on, acid is on acid.
They were Even on acid. cigarettes.
And they have that badass dog that's like tears them off the fire.
And then like, and then you have Rick Dalton with his flamethrower.
Shikov's flamethrower,
which they set up at the very beginning of the movie.
Which is awesome.
Ray Payoff.
Yeah..
And like, I think that's the beauty of what Tarantino does.
He rewrites history to be even
almost better in a way.
Yeah.
Like, you look at Django and Chained.
You look like Inglrious Bastards.
Man, that was like, imagine, imagine if that really existed, right?
Like having these badass people that
just kind of almost gives you more hope and like, for like
the possible, like badass of like
people doing the things for
the world, you know, like doing right for the world.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I almost want to think, well, I kind of hope that Tarantino could do
that type of movie, but like set in the Vietnam era
where the U.S. wins, like, could he pull that off?
I think if anyone could pull that off, it'd be Tarantino, you know,
where maybe like a Vietnam.
Would you say that if the U.S. won the
Vietnam War, wouldn't you say that would be kind of insensitive in a way?
Yeah, that's that's why I was thinking that if anyone could pull that off and that sort of.
I don't think if anything, I don't think if Tarantino rewrote the Vietnam War.
I don't think he would have them win still.
I don't think so?
I don't think he have the US wins.
I think he'd like have
like it more so, like a reason why.
Because if you think about it, like the like, like
in history, like the U.S was part
of the winners winning team up until Vietnam, right?
And then they lose.
And it almost kind of like, it pushes them
to like rethink their place in the world, right?
And maybe if they won that
war, things would be even worse.
It's for selfish reasons.
I just want to see Justin Thoreau play Nixon.
I think he would be a great fucking Nixon, dude.
Like, can you imagine with the hair slick and then the fat suit?
Oh, I am not a, you wouldn't say that.
Yeah, that's just a dumb, fat fantasy of mine.
Like, I could see Justin Thurau in that.
I get what you're saying.
It would be insensive now that I think about it.
But that's why I think that like if anyone could do it, I
think it would be Tarantino, you know, because I think, I think if
Tarantino did go through with something like that, it would be along the lines of like
potentially the, like
kind of sort of what he did was within Inglorious Bastards, but making the Americans
on the receiving end of being the bad guy for a movie.
I can see that too, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then maybe even doing like a different perspective, but we can only imagine.
Yeah.
I would I would see him doing like somewhat of like a
a war movie, but in the perspective of the Viet Cong.
You know what I mean?
Oh, there you go.
Like he I would see I would see Tarantino
like putting it like putting like
almost maybe make it like more of a a
martial arts spin espionage Yes.
sort of deal where they would like, he would they'd be
making making the
Viet Cong like almost like like heroes
like Justin was saying, and making even the
US look even more like assholes. actual You know what I mean?
Which we are.
Let's be fair, we are.
Dude, Lucy Li could be in that.
Bring back Lucy Li.
You know, they've worked together before.
Lucy and a major Mutherman in.
But we're
talking about the final set piece and Once Up upon a Time.
Who is it that he flamed through?
I feel like it's Mikey Madson that he fucking gets into the flame, which was the funniest part to me.
Yo, she got so fucked up in that last scene there.
Yeah, she did did.
Yeah, she did.
She got mauled by the dog, getting the shit kicked out of her.
Dude, that She got the worst of it.
Wonder She really got one of the worst of it.
What else?
So I was re-watching it, but I didn't get that far, so I'm only going off memory here.
Who else gets fucked up in that scene?
Was it, what's his name?
Was Austin Butler in there?
Austin Butler got fucked up in that too.
And then I forget the redhead's name.
Sidney Sweeney wasn't in that scene.
No, not in that scene.
You knowson, Austin Butler.
I. Redhead.
Redhead.
And then Maya Hawk is the one that drove off.
Oh, that's right.
Mayah Hawk was the..
She was like, oh, yeah, I need to get something out of the car.
And then she gets the keys and she drives off leaving them behind.
That's why the smartest thing she did.
Wait a minute.
Who who did Lena Dunham play in this?
I don't remember Lena Dunham in this.
Madison Beley?
Gypsy?
She was a girl called Gypsy?
I don't Is that Is that?
What's his name's daughter?
Madison Beatty?
Is that from.
Well, like Warren Beaties?
Yeah, Warren Beaties..
I don't know.
Warren Beatty's really old, so would be his granddaughter.
Granddaughter.
Oh, that's true, yeah.
From Dakota Fenn played Taky.
Austin Butler was text or text text.
I said text.
Lorenza Izo Francesca.
Let's see.
Yeah, I don't know who Beatie is.
Who are you seeing as Beatie?
I don't see that.
She's like one of the blonde blonde girls that was in the movie, too.
Well, what I love about that whole...
Oh, yeah, it is.
It is her.
What's?
The redhead that she gets fucked up at the end there, too.
Her name is Madison Beatty.
Oh, Madison Beatty, right?
Yeah.
Beatty, yeah.
We got somebody in the chat.
I don't know who this is.
That's David.
That's David.
Oh, okay.
According to David, they are not related, so, yeah.
Okay.
That was like a 30 minute long slaughter.
But it doesn't feel like 30 minutes.
Did you guys?
It goes by so fast.
And it is the best. part of the movie.
And isn't that the brilliance of Tarantino, the violence
that he puts on screen, right?
It's such a, it's so
like, like.. hyper realistic.
I don't want to say that.
Well, it' hyperviolent.
Hyper hyperviolent.
That's what I mean.
It's so hyperviolent that it's
like, um, it feels like you're you're in a race, right?
Your heart is racing.
You're like, oh my gosh, there's just so much going on
that time flies so
fast., you know?
And he does that in such a way with so many of his films.
Like, look at, like that fight scene in Kill Bill Volume 1, right?
That crazy crazy 88.
Yeah.
Dude, that that how long is that that scene?
That's like 25 minutes of.
At least a long scene..
It's a long scene.
But it's so good, though.
They're both really good., it's amazing amazing.
Yeah, it's an amazing scene.
But it's hyperviolent
And it's like this.
Time flies is so fast when you're watching it.
Yeah.
Can I tell you guys a quick story from when Kel Bill came out?
I was working in the movie theater.
I still in high school, I think.
And the scene where the
guy is selling the bride's body for sex, right?
Because she's in a coma or whatever.
Yeah.
That scene, so the part where the guy comes
in and then he's like, all right, I got you the, I got you the fucking Vaseline and he shows
the little thing of Vaseline, and they have a close-up and
it's all grimy and dirty and fucking nasty.
I remember when I was I was in the movie theaterater watching that scene,
and you could hear a woman in the back of the theater go, oh my God.
That was Yeah.
That's the perfect response because that was fucking disgusting.
Yeah.
But anyway, yeah, that was just a.
Well, a quick question for you, Adrian.
Did you work at the movie theater with Sam?
Yes, actually.
Yeah.
We worked there
around the same exact time.
Yeah.
Pickford, right?
No, Rancho 16.
Oh, the Rancho, yeah, that's right.
That's right.
I talked about this, and I forget what episode, but I almost worked at Mary Pickford by I up working at Rancho 16.
Yeah.
That was the last.
The most recent they released the discussion.
The Gener 2025.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I'll have to go listen to that.
Yeah, that's hilarious.
Yeah, I worked with Sam.
friend of the show, who I think we'll be on at some point.
2026.
We will.
I. We will get him on this show soon, yes.
If it's the last thing we do.
We're going to get him.
Yeah.
Working in the movie theater is great.
Like, when you're in high school, it's like getting free movies.
I would go to the movie theater three times a week
I remember.
It was awesome.
I think I watched Passion of the Christ like for four times,
but like split across, like I would watch, I'd watch
like the first part and like the next part and like over several days, I remember.
I remember the bus, the buses of Christians that would come
in to watch just that movie. and I'm like, okay.
I remember when Shrek 2 came out and we
were filled to the gills with people buying popcorn and snacks
for all their kids and shit because that was the big movie of, I think it came out during Christmas too.
and that sucked because, yeah, your lines and
lines of people out the fucking door trying to buy popcorn for Shrek 2.
So, good times, man.
Good times.
Lots of free movies.
Double layer the popcorn and the butter.
That what they do, yeah.
Be like, can you double a layer lamp for me?
Oh, yeah.
I hated concessions.
I prefer to be on the floor cleaning because that's easy.
Like cleaning a theater is easy.
It takes time, but yeah, fun times.
I wish I'd seen this movie again in theaters.
I feel like like, Justin, you not to go off too far off topic, you re-watched
2001?
No.
The Shining.
And I had.
I did.
I did.
I went and saw it last night and IMAX.
Yeah.
That must be an experience, huh?
Oh, man.
Okay, I'll just say this.
The movie theater.
Okay, and I asked this because I
don't know if all iMacX theaters are like this just because it's like,
oh, we want we want you to give the best
like screen experience of all time, but we're going to lack in the funds for
the theater itself.
So the theater I went to, it's a nice or supposedly
nice theater and a nice, nice part of town
here in Vegas, but it's just like,
you go into the theater and the chairs are all, like, the chairs
are like peeled up and like the floor is unkept and it just seems like really dirty.
But my God, that screen was full fucking amazing, my guy.
I don't know.
And from what I've heard is that all iMac theaters are kind of sort of like that.
They're all just kind of like a little bit dingy and dirty
compared to to like these newer, like,
like XD theaters or Dolby cinema, whatever.
I always hear that those theaters are a little bit more well kept while the Ax ones are a little more rundown.
Anyway, I don't know if that's a shared experience.
Everybody in the comments let me know if that is your shared experience with IMX here, but
it was a wonderful thing.
I' I've never seen The Shining in theaters before,
and that was the first time I've ever, and I was like, you know what?
I want to go see this movie.
It's one of my favorite cubic movies and I want
to experience it on the big screen for the first time in its true
high definition, whatever millimeter it was.
You guys have no idea.
It was like someone was coming all over my eyes.
And your ears too.
And my ears No, mostly my eyes.
It was such a, it was sounds painful.
Sounds painful.
It does act.
Yeah, it was a little salty.
Yeah, I wasn't like chloring that my eyes..
It was like Christmas morning.
That's what it was like.
And I'm glad you your experience.
And it's funny because, yeah, it just,
I don't know.
I when I saw that movie, just all
the sounds, the sights, it was so crisp and clean looking.
I'm like, yes, this is this is the
movie experience that I've been wanting for so long.
And then the theater was so quiet.
Everybody was like invested, paying attention, not a phone insight.
And I feel like I'm going to start going to movies like
that more often, like old releases
because it's like when it comes to these newer
movies, I have a hard time sitting in the theater already.
And I've explained this many times on this podcast that it's
just like, I have, I mostly have a not so great theater experience.
And I think, and I also kind
of wish I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood in theaters, but I did not
I feel like that would have changed my opinion on this too, but
it's just like, when the entire theater
is just as invested as you are, that's
when the theater experience is worth it.
And I also think, because even Tarantino has said it himself is
that like going to see film in the cinema is like the best experience.
It absolutely is.
I don't disagree.
It is absolutely the best experience
The people fucking ruin it.
And these directors that spew this shit all the time,
Scorsese, Tarantino, James Cameron, it's like they
get to sit in a theater and I'm sure they don't't have anybody around.
Maybe they' closest friends and family.
Maybe the people who made the movie.
But they're all there to, for that experience, they're
not there to be on their fucking phones, to be talking, to be rude, to be annoying.
They have a catered experience
And when it comes to the average moviegoer, it's not the same fucking experience.
But that experience last night for the Shining,
that is the ultimate dater experience, is everybody
sitting down paying attention
and enjoying something for what it is.
Can you community the experiences that we have in this country, right?
Like there's church, there's concerts, there's sports,
there's plays, and then there's movies, right?
Like that's like the fifth leg of
that community experience that we still have left,
and it's slowly, unfortunately, current' died.
Especially when one of the biggest streamers is buying one of the biggest studios in existence.
Go ahead, Alex.
Sorry.
No, I was just going to say, that's why I
go to watch movies in the morning.
Because when you go
in the morning, like when they first open up up,
people who go to watch movies in the theater,
first thing when they open up, they are there because they want to watch the movie.
Yeah. without any interrupt.ions because
they know at night it's going to be all the kids.
Yeah.
All the parents with their kids who have
to watch show over the kids who don't want to sit in the film.
Right
When you're there in like like the
early screenings, it's because I
feel like every single person I've ever, every time I've watched
a film and I've never had like people just being a annoying in
the theater when I've watched a movie, even like Marvel movies
that I've watched first thing in the morning
Like most of the people, like all the people in
the movie ever, I've ever watched a movie with in those
screenings, not one like, has ever been
like, oh, been annoying, you know?
Like, they've been there actually
in, you know, really like taking it in.
And so, like, I think it
has a lot to do with the audience that you were with, Justin.
Oh, absolutely..
Like, those people, when you watch an older film, they are there because
they want to see it have that experience.
Those are theaters. film fans.
Yeah, because you could.
You could watch The Shining Still at home if you wanted to.
Like, if these kids, like, I don't want to pay that much
money to go and watch a film in like that movie when I could watch
it for free off of some screamer or like, you know what I mean?
While browsing
So, yeah.
Like, I feel like it's the audience.
It is the audience.
And, and um, and I agree.
I used to go to to see movies early in the morning,
but because I wear at graves and I don't really get up until like way
late, it's hard for me to go see movies in the morning.
I result to just streaming. and
I understand it's like, it's the 45th
anniversary for the Shining in particular, and I get it.
It's like, it's a 45 year old movie. nobody wants to go pay
you know, all that money.
I think for iMAX, it was like, if I didn't
get that 50% off, it would have been like $45., you know, for the whole thing.
So I luckily, we got a
AMC membership and that and it was a Tuesday.
So it's half off.
If you have an AMC membership, it's half off on Tuesdays.
FYI, everybody.
Well, you know, yeah, I have a Harkins by me.
I wish it was an AMC, but it's a Harkins and they don't do any kinds of deals, so, yeah, whatever.
I will say that when I worked in the movie theater,
you know, we live in the Cochilla Valley is very much a retirement community.
I remember it was always the old people that came in first thing in the morning to watch movies
So you'd have like any given movie would have have like two or three people in
it in the auditorium and it's always an older person.
When they came at night to watch movies, like anything by
Clint Eastwood, you could smell the Ben Gay when you walked into the auditorium.
You could just, oh, that's the demographic we're working today.
We're working with today.
So, yeah, that was always an interesting aspect of being
a theater employee.
Well, you know, it's funny that the night, you
get the same experience when you go into the film festivals, too, though.
Oh, yeah.
Film festival, like when you go to a film festival, like people are there to watch the film.
So like the idea of your
movie going experience ever being ruined is never going to happen at much film a film.
And the thing is, I don't go to church.
I don't go to sports and I don't fucking go to concerts.
So really, this is the only community experience for me
you know, to go on movie theater.
It's great.
I remember Begonia.
I saw Bonia in theaters.
Better go to Comic Con, man.
That was amazing.
Oh, yeah.
I do need to go to Comic..
Zootopia 2, even with all the kids and shit, like, it was great.
Like, it's like, you don't get this at home.
That's the demographic, right?
Right, exactly.
Zootopia was great, though.
Zootopia.
I love it. it.
I actually loved it.
I loved it.
You know?
It was good.
David says Hollywood
blah.
What are we talking about?
I can't talk Tonight.
Once upon a Time in Hollywood is good.
Solid acting, good script.
Hilarious, epic ending, way too long, and many parts drag on.
That's That's a fair point, David.
Thank you for me.
Sharing with that.
I slightly disagree with that statement only because
the movie was long given, all right?
It Two hours and 40 minutes, yeah.
Yeah, but I don't think there was, in my opinion, I don't think there was really any dead space.
I think everything was set up
and had enough information for me to be invested
in continuing on with the rest of the movie.
Have you guys ever heard of Martino's insane writing style?
Do you know how he does it?
He'll write a 400-page script
Liter a 400 and then he just cuts, cuts,
cuts, cuts until he's satisfied.
Did you hear that he wrote his latest
script at in Palm Springs when he was in town?
Oh, shit?
Film Festival?
I did not hear that.
Yeah, I remember this because he like,
I guess he was writing it at the Blue K Coyote
in downtown.
He was sitting at a table in downtown Pal.
Have I been there?
That sounds funny.
I have something to say after you're done, Alex.
It's funny, actually.
Like, it was it was during our time at the heyday, Justin.
I remember that was like, like people were like saw
him at the, like told stories about it.
Like, it was instantly like, he was there for the film
festival because he was like, I guess guest of honor, but he spent his time like writing.
He's like, this is like, from what I hear, that's where he wrote his, his final
film.
Number 10.
Supposedly his final film.
Well, it's sorry to cut you, Adrian.
No, I just wanted to bring up a funny fact because
you've mentioned the blue C and I wasn't sure if I was going to mention this or not, but
in the ending credits of Once Upon a
Time in Hollywood, you can hear Adam West and what's
his name is Robin, fucking Burt.
Burt Oh, something like that.
Oh, from the original.
From the original, well, not 60s.
The original 60s Batman TV show.
And it's funny that you bring up Blue Coyote because that's
actually where I saw Adam West.
He was eating lunch with his family at the Blue Coyote, and that's where I saw him.
Yeah.
Burt Ward.
That's it.
But you saw Adam West.
I saw Adam West with his family and his grandchildren eating
at the Blue Coyote, which is pretty funny that you brought up the Blue Coyote.
You know, weird connection, Tim.
It's also where Myra worked, my ex.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
She worked at the blue card.
I too.
We went there for lunch one time, all of us.
You and me.
I think sat there for.
I think I went there, too.
We all went.
Yeah, we went there every now and again.
I think you were there with us potentially, Adrian.
Sounds vaguely familiar.
I mean, yeah, we were all there, all of our past
things.
Our past selves.
Our past selves.
Timbo slice.
You know, former co-host of ours in the old show.
Our former selves. our antagonists.
His dad, I think he told me his dad and knew, Adam West.
I could have sworn he said that to me years.
Timice.
Timbo Slice's dad, you Adam West
Which is a really random connection to him..
Less than Peace, Adam West.
West and Peace, Adam West.
Well, having a nickname Timbo Slic is a really old reference too.
Yeah, it is.
Hey, he's got a podcast.
No, I'm just kidding.
I ain't plugging that.
No, I know.
Frank Capra wrote, It's a Wonderful Life while he was staying at the La Quinta Resort.
Did you guys know that?
So, a little fun fact for you to sound.
I wish the desert inspired me the way it'd inspired Frank Capla
on Tarantino, but I, you.
You were born and raised there.
Come on, T. It's kind of like hard to
You You have to draw that out with drugs and alcohol.
Which I don't do except for alcohol.
So' That's why I said drugs and alcohol.
Drugs and alcohol, right?
It's a combination.
good stuff, guys.
Well, hey, that's the movie.
I feel like we coveredred almost everything.
Is there any final thoughts or was there anything you guys want to talk about before we go to final thoughts or how are you feeling?
We're good.
We're good.
Okay.
Cool.
Well, yeah, let's's do our final thoughts.
And Justin, I'll start with you.
What are your final thoughts and where can people find you?
Yeah, final thoughts on Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
I don't think this is Leo's or Brad Pitt's
best roles, but I do appreciate them for what they are.
This movie is not my favorite Tarantino
film, but but again, I appreciate it for what it is.
And I don't even I don't even mind like re-watching it again.
I'll probably even watch it like one more time.
It's it's, in my opinion, it's re-watchable.
I was going to say, does this have high rewatch value for you?
Yeah, I would say, yeah, I still feel like it has that,
like, if you decide that you want to go on like a Tarantino bench,
yeah, obviously, if you're going to go on a bench, you're obviously going to watch the movie.
But it's not like it's a bad movie.
It really isn't.
It's a really good movie
I don't think it drags on that long.
I think everything has a purpose on,
every scene, every dialogue.
It all has a purpose leading up to the bigger picture at
the end of the movie when everything kind of comes full circle.
And that's just the theme of like what Tarantino likes to do.
He just likes to have a full circle moment near the
end of his movies or sometimes even midway, you know,
to wrap the story up in a nice little bloody bow on top, you know?
I think Tarantino does violence extremely well.
And even in his like interviews, you
know, it's like he's not doing the violence just to do violence.
There's a rhyme and a reason for why
it's violent, but but the violence is fine.
The blood is fun, but it serves a purpose.
And when it makes its way to that point where
the violence just explodes on screen, it is such a big payoff.
And it's like, that's what a Tarant movie is to me
Uh, it's that big payoff at the end.
And it's so well worth the story that comes prior.
Um, I think, you know, I, I don't want to talk too much on it.
I think, I think the movie explains itself just fine.
I think everybody should watch it once, twice, however many times you want to watch it.
It's a very fun movie to watch
even though it is two hours and 40 minutes.
But, hey, it's not the Hateeful Eight.
Am I going to watch The Hateful Eight again?
Probably not because it's like, it's's now like six
to eight hours or something for his director's cut.
Fuck me on that one.
But anyway.
Hateful Eight was, I watched it twice and I'm okay.
It's a long movie.
It's a really good movie, but It's really good it's so long.
It's a miniseries at this point.
But yeah, I'm going to give this movie
a four and a half out of five.
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So, That's my rating.
Get out of here.
Very well said.
Thank you, Justin.
Alex, what are your final thoughts?
So at the very beginning of the
show, you asked me of my ranking, where this movie falls.
And like, yeah, it's still like my least favorite.
That being said, it's not like a bad movie at all.
It's I still love it.
So I that has a lot to say about like what
I, how much I love Tarantino's films, right?
Like, for me to still love,
like a movie that I rank, it's that last
means a lot to me, you know?
And, um,
it's, it's a solid film.
To me, it's like a comedy.
It's a comedy.
It's's a revenge film.
It's a comedy.
Because it's probably his funniest film, to be quite honest.
Like it's There's so many like, like hilarious scenes.
Like even like.
He was great, too.
He's really funny in that.
Oh, yeah.
But it's it's, it's, it's one of those things where like the
the comedy isn't like contrived.
It's very, very natural.
Like It plays out through the who the characters are.
You know, like the There's
a thing in pro wresting where they say
styles make stories.
So like when you have people
who have differing styles fighting against each
other, it creates a cool story
So, like, this is what
happens with, like, these characters in these films, right?
They have differing styles, differing approaches who they are.
And it creates a natural conflict
you know?
You look at the hippies versus Cliff Booth.
Like Cliff Booth is not a hippie.
And so he goes and he like, he like picks up this girl.
He's like, how old are you?
He's like, he's like, if you can't answer that like
question honestly, then nothing's going to happen.
Like, but she's like trying to entrap
him or something, you know, because he, she's like, that's that's kind of like
if you think about it, that's like differing styles.
You know what I mean?
Like who they are
as like people class already.
You don't know it yet, but it's inherently there.
So you're watching this play out in real time in this film.
So that's why I think it's such a like so, so great about Tarantino.
You know, like that's another thing that he does so well.
And then, uh, one of the things I really
loved about this, this movie too, was like,
it shows Tarantino's love of past Hollywood as well.
Like the colors, like we talked, again, we talked
about it in the general discussion about like the vibrancy of like color
in like older films.
He puts color into his film.
You see them drive around in like old
Hollywood and he like purposely puts like the
old Taco Bell, the old Cinarama. and he He love that theater.
Yeah, and they're bringing that back from out of here.
Doesn't he own it?
No, he bought it.
No, he owns the Beverly
and another one.
Okay.
But the Cama is coming back.
I don't know who bought it, but they're bringing it back.
Thank God.
That's that's such a beautiful theater.
I wish they would move Amoeba back next door to it
but that's never going to happen.
And yeah, yeah, there's the,
oh, yeah, the legendary El Cote, I think it's like a hundred-y
old restaurant, you know, and that was beautiful.
Like, they don't make restaurants like that anymore anymore, you know?
And, yeah, Now they're just gray buildings replacing everything.
Beige.
Like we talked about bei beige gray.
Exactly.
I don't think I don't think if most
restaurants don't even last that long, that most of restaurants don't even last like five years, too.
To last 100 years, it's got to tell you something, at least.
Yeah.
It's It's definitely like one of those things with like like restaurants like that.
They have such history.
And I think that's the thing about a lot of stuff is like.
um they concern themselves with
too much of like pleasing everybody.
Whereas those restaurants are who they are.
Like you look at like El Coyote.
You look at Philippe, they've never changed for anybody
They serve what they serve and people like it.
And I think that's the same thing. thing with Tarantino.
And I think that's why people like it, like him.
He's not changing for anybody.
You know?
His violence is always going to be the violence and the hyperviolence that it is
You know?
And like it or not, like, he
makes good movies, you know?
Like, I've never seen a bad Tarantino film
to be to be honest.
Like, yeah, I. I would never watch Hateful
Eight like you guys again, but it was a good movie.
It was, you know?
So
and I would watch Once Upon a Time in Hollywood again.
I figured like like after watching the second
time, I was like, whoa, okay, this this was a better film.
It might even bump it up like over Jackie Brown, to be honest.
I still need to watch Jackie Brown again, to be fair.
So I'm going to do that.
But, yeah, I,
I think maybe it's just like also part of why I, the reason
why I like, like True Romance and Pul Fiction and Reservoir Dogs is because it's it's my
early years of like enjoying
cinema and discovering Tarantino.
So it's like it has that sort of like nostalgic sensibility
for for me.
But overall, I give this movie a four out of
five on Letterbox and you
can find me on Letterbox as well as other social media.
by finding Daily Dares.
Really quick.
Did Margot Robbie's
and Margaret Quie's Dirty Feet stuff turn you guys off at all?
Like, did that bother you guys at all?
What was your reaction to that?
I'm not into feet, man.
Fal point of just their dirty, bare feet.
I'm a neutral guy that comes to that.
I'm not
I'm not neutral.
I don't like feet.
It doesn't turn me.
I'm not a fan in highlight.
And dirty feet makes it even more so.
I'm sorry, put your dirty little mittens away.
I was so shocked.
I was like, he has Margot Robbie and it's like,
I guess it makes sense, though.
She would be walking around with that dirty
feet if she's got no socks on with her boo, right?
So I was like, okay.
If I were alive in the 70s, you wouldn't catch me dead barefoot.
I'm sorry.
Same, yeah.
I would be dead with my shoes on, bolted to my ankles.
I don't even like walking around barefoot in my own home, let alone.
I have flip-flops on them or something.
Quey, Jimmy Kimmel or
one of the Jimmy's asked her about that, because she's like,
well, yeah, I don't want to do it because because I'm a former like ballet
dancer, so my feet are all kinds of fucked up, but Tarantino was just like on the day.
He was just like, yeah, let's let's see them.
And then she's like, okay And she just took off her shoes and they did the scene.
and that was that.
I mean I was like, oh my God that's Tarantino and his footst.
That really is.
I think.
No, is it Jackie, no,
Django and Chain doesn't have any feet shots and maybe maybe
I want to say Hatefulight also doesn't.
So, you know, he doesn't always do it, but he mostly doesn't.
No, there's that scene with that girl.
She's like walking around around with, I believe her feet in Heful Eight.
Okay, I don't remember.
Like when they're inside the cabin, I believe there
is a scene where she is walking around barefoot because she's kind of like like faking to be ditzy a little bit.
Reservoir dogs, because there's no women in that.
He only likes to show women's feet. and there's no women who's Reservoir dogs.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, that's Tarantino for a.
Anyway, I just wanted to know what you guys thought about that because I
know that's like such a divisive thing with him and it's like always the joke and anything on the internet.
It's like Tarantino, you know, a foot guy.
So there you go.
But my final thoughts, I did love I
do love Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and this is going to be my letterbox review.
It's a lovingly built time machine filled with period details, pitch perfect casting
and two layered central performances.
DiCaprio's Rick, heartbreakingly human and comic.
Brad Pitt's Cliff is a sort of laconic physical oddity who
lives in your head after the credits.
Margot Robbie's Sharon moments are genuinely haunting
because Tarantino lets her be alive, laughing, textured,
instead of turning her into an afterthought.
My biggest critique is that the film luxuriates in those characters vignettes,
the first three quarters, meander through Dalton's small catastrophes and booths,
with Sharon appearing like a bright comet now and then.
That patient episodic pace is beautiful, if
you want to live in Tarantino's 1969, but it does feel
like the story doesn't fully cohere until the last 30 minutes, which
exploded to one of his funniest and most brutal fight sequences.
In short, I enjoyed the movie overall and admire Tarantino's devotion to the film history
but the slow burn doesn't land for everyone until that violent revisionist catharsis at the end.
And that's what I'll review for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood on Letterbox.
And I gave this film when I first watched it, three
and a half, stronger three and a half stars on Letterbox.
Can I say something about?
Abs, go ahead..
This is good because I. Lia DiCaprio's character
as a self-doubting
person who's like, doesn't't know if he has a place in
Hollywood anymore is such a great
juxtaposition
of the person who's actually acting it.
You know what I mean?
You know what I'm saying?
Like Leo DiCaprio is, is like,
probably like one of the one of the most self-assured like, actors in the world.
Oh, yeah.
Right?
He knows his place in the in the pantheon
of acting, and he's like, he can get roles, like almost
on a whim just for..
And he's a talenting guy.
You know what I mean?
Like he is And, uh, for
him to play a guy who is
doubting his acting ability and his place in in Hollywood.
Yeah.
It's definitely something like he definitely,
like, I don't want to say he is to dig deep, you know, and trying to find the,
but it's kind of cool that he he's exploring that, right?
Like it's a really cool thing for an actor who's
at his level to explore
a character who has that kind of self-doubt
and like, you know, I never thought about that.
That's a good point.
He did a recent actors on actors with Jennifer Lawrence
and Jennifer Lawrence asks him, like, do you ever go back and mewatch Titanic?
He's like, no, I don't watch any of my movies.
And she's like, oh my God, you should.
It's great.
And then I was thinking about it.
I was like, well, Titanic is over 25 years old, so he wouldn't
rewatch that movie for that reason alone, I think.
But, you know, it is what it is.
That was a terrible joke.
Based on your reaction, I know it's a bad joke.
Well, Oh, that was a joke?
I But it is an interesting interview.
You should have watched it with Jennifer Lawrence an interviewing and be able to be DiCaprio.
Well, I mean, like, if you think about it, though, too, like,
he definitely is like
probably, like, I don't want to say he's
cringing at his own work, but, like, I' I've gone back and watched Romeo and Juliet.
And I'm like, he's just okay in this.
He's very raw.
Yeah..
He's like, he's at his young age, younger stage in his acting career
Basketball diaries, he's like very wrong.
I never saw him one.
I think I know why.
I think I know why.
It's because of what's eating Gilbert grape.
He doesn't want to go back to that.
He doesn't want to go back to.
He doesn't want to go back to.
I wouldn't want to go back to.
I's.
It's a wonderful movie, but I see where he's coming from.
He doesn't want to go back to that.
I get it.
Well, okay, really quick.
I don't want to get too much attention.
We've already gone.
Did you hear he they're making part two of that?
Oh, Oh.
What's the movie with Vo DiCaprio
where you were like, this kid, this guy is it?
This guy knows, is shit.
What was it for you?
It wasn't Titanic for me, I'll be honest.
It was...
Definitely not.
No, not Titanic, because he was too much of a pretty face at that point.
To be honest, I don't think there ever has been a
movie that they'd be like, oh, this guy has it.
Because like I've never been like a Leah DiCaprio
fan until, to be honest, this film.
Well, Wall Street for me made me realize
he is the shit.
Like Wolf of Wall Street.
I love that movie.
I love that his performance.'t he departed?
Departed?
He wasn't.
Oh, that's also a great.
That's the movie.
That's That's the movie.
That's a good one, too.
Yeah.
What would you say, Justin?
You know, like...
The Revenant.
The Revenant's great.
I. The thing is, it's like, I It's the same.
But the thing is, is that like, I think he deserved
a little more recognition even before that movie
I think, like,
and I know I made a joke about it just now, but I loved what's eating Gilbert Grape.
I think he did a significant job playing Arnie.
He really sold the role.
and I know there's like movies that kind of make fun of that.
It's like, oh, um, you know, excuse my
ignorance, but it's like, oh, don't go full retard.
Like Leonardo DiCaprio, like tropic Thunder or whatever.
And it's like, but I think, I think it was a different time
and I don't think they wanted to hire
because there still wasn't a big understanding of like Down's Syndrome back in the day.
I have Let's say.
Go for it.
I have a theory.
Yeah.
I think what it is, like, especially his younger roles,
when a director is directing you to be to
act like a teenager or like, you know, it's
like it makes you question how
to properly
act like a teenager.
When you're already like a, like well, you're maybe they
weren't teenagers anymore, but they're freshly from that.
Like maybe they're in the early 20s or like 19, 2021.
When you're an actor
at that age and you're being told by a director
how to act like a teenager, you're
acting their way from their their own,
trying to like think about their cognition, whereas like
when you are you're not, you're questioning your own
cognition of what you, how you would act as a teenager, right?
Yeah.
So you, you're playing, you're, it's like one of those things where like
maybe you're questioning, they're questioning how to act.
And so that's probably why I didn't really like,
going back and like watching Romeo and Juliet and why didn't
it really enjoy back to basketball diaries as
as much?
Because it just like for me, like it didn't, didn't he didn't feel
like he was acting like a teenager in those.
I see what you're talking about and for me, it's kind of like,
uh, what's that TV show about all the smart nerds and whatever?
It's like Silicon Valley?
No, no, no.
That one's actually pretty good.
Big Bang Theory.
Big Bang Theory.
And it's kind of like, you know, you have these writers
and people making this show, and it's like, they're obviously not
nerds or geeks or anything like that.
And then they're writing.
This is what we think they are.
And they're just like troping nerds and things like that.
Yeah, they're playing playing the tropes.
They're not playing playing that tropes, yeah.
And it's like, we're not really like that.
Like, we're not really these, like, fucking really awkward.
Not allic Silkon
Valley is a better representation, but even then, it's still not there.
like what's it Gilbert Grape in particular?
It's like, he did a lot of research.
He hung out with a lot of people with Down Syndrome, and he
even talks about it in like some interviews and
behind the scenes from like when that movie was made.
And, you know, he
did his goddamn best and I think he sold that role really well.
He wasn't like to go go for it D. Oh, I'm not going ahead, go finish or not.
Well, no, it's just like, I, in my
opinion, I really appreciated that movie for
for his role.
But I guess just to kind of sum
up like where I thought later on at DiCaprio was like a
serious actor, it was Inception for me.
I really loved Insection.
Yeah.
You're right.
I love Inception.
I think Inception was like, yes, this
is this is the Leo we want.
Yeah, that's fine.
You have to go deeper..
It's funny.
I
I forget all the movies that he's in that
I liked, you know, Inception and Departed.
But like going back to like real quick, what you were saying, Justin, about, like,
what's Eating Gilbert's rape and how he like did his research in
our most recent one of our most recent discussions, Rosemead, Lawrence Shoe
the way he acts in that film, he did
a lot of research on people with schizophrenia.
You know, and so that showed, it showed that he
actually like cared to be not only just
act like a teenager, but like an act like a teenager who had schizophrenia.
He pulled it off.
He pulled it off.
He really pulled it off.
Yeah.
Like that's his only acting credit.
And to be able to pull that off
Yeah.
Give the kids some kind of award for that.
Yeah, I don't care what it is.
He deserves it.
Really quickly, what I'm going to say before we wrap up, Big
Bang Theory is dumb people writing smart people.
It's always telling the smart people writing dumb people.
Like, that's the difference.
Silicon Valley.
Best example.
Best example.
Silicon Valley is also another good example of people
knowing how to write nerds because
It's ners writing nerds?
It's N's nerds.
Yeah, like I love Silicon Valley.
That's a fantastic show.
I also just want to throw out there that unless it's
like I love Lucy or something, I fucking hate sitcoms.
That's it.
Sorry.
Fair Can't do it.
You can never convince me that a sitcom is doing.
Is it to be camera sitcoms or is it a single camera sitcoms or both?
Both.
It doesn't matter.
Really?
Because it being development?
Have you ever seen Arrest of Development?
Irested Development is probably not my favorite,
but I do like that show in some aspect.
Okay.
But I just like shows like Big Bang Theory where it's
like made for late night television or daytime, whatever.
I'm just like, I fucking hate it with a passion.
And for people, sorry, if you enjoy it, I'm a hater.
I'm sorry.
I hate I hate I with you with this, man.
I can't do it I're not, you're're not a fan of like Parksson Recreck and the Office?
Not in particular, no.
I mean, you like watched them, I've watched them and some of it is quite funny.
It's just, I can't I can't stand the sitcom as
pect of most shows.
Yeah.
I get it.
Do you like, what's that?
What we do in the Shadows?
That I do like, actually.
I really do like..
So that one didn't do it for me.
I tried getting into it.
Yeah.
I love I tried getting into.
I love that show so much.
I like the one, what's his name?
Matt Barry.
He's fantastic.
I like.
To be fair, I liked what we do in the Shadows before it was a series.
Yes.
Because it was like a movie first and then it was a series.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
I also highly recommend the IT crowd.
I Fucking love that show, too.
That's a British sitcom.
That is a 3K of a sitcom.
So you may not like it, Justin.
That was good.
So it's me.
Matt Barry.
Sorry, guys.
I'm a hater.
You can't convince me otherwise.
No, that's all good..
I wasn't trying to convince you.
I just was trying to see if you'd seen them or not.
That's all.
Trust me, I don't give anything a chance, but any time the show.
Yeah.
Anytime someone recommends like a sitcom, I'm like, I'm already shut out the door.
No, I agree.
I'm the same way too, when it comes to sitcoms.
It's It's a very sitcoms are a huge, like a very, very hard sell for me.
Like, it has to have like something special about it.
what we do in the shadows was like a very, very good like concept.
I love The Office.
I love Parks and Rec.
They're doing that somewhat spiritual successor to the office.
And I when I saw the trailers and I saw like
the concept, I was like, I did not want to watch it.
It was I was the first episode
Yeah, there was like, my mom like actually was watching it one night.
I came upstairs and she was watching it.
I was like, ugh, this looks so stupid.
Yeah.
If it's I Love Lucy, I'll watch it.
I watch it I grew up I see anytime.
I love..
That's probably one of like the few sitcoms I actually like sat down and watched.
You guys remember the old television with the
Oh, yeah.
That's what I had to watch.
I had a nice wood frame. framed one.
I had one in my bedroom as a kid. 150 pounds.
I had one of those giant TVs in our living room, and it actually swiveled.
And so we had like, you could watch it in the living room.
and then, like,, it was like our only TV that we had.
So Leo that speaks for itself.
But like, well, we got TVs
for our rooms later on, but that was like way later on.
But like it was funny.
Like we could swivel it and our dining,
Justin, you remember how our our old house was set up.
Like the TV, like, so there was like the TV big TV was
facing the living room, but then we could swirl it around and it would be facing the dining
room.
And so we could watch TV in the dining.
It was so awesome.
I felt like so special because like the the other kids were like,
wow, you could watch TV when you were eating dinner.
I was like, we spent no bigger money
part of the back to period and being able to watch TV while having dinner.
Yeah.
Yep
Okay, we're going to have to cut some of this to be a bonus clip, by the way, because we went really long.
So let me do the outro really quick.
Sure.
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