In this episode of the Never Seen It podcast, we dive into the 2025 vampire horror film Sinners, directed by Ryan Coogler. We break down the film’s stunning cinematography, layered character development, and the cultural themes woven throughout the story. We talk about the film’s pacing, its commentary on historical oppression, and the power of its musical elements. We also get into the film’s awards potential and what the post-credits scene might mean for the future of the characters and the world Coogler built. Throughout the conversation, we explore themes like creative movie concepts, the role of music in storytelling, emotional high points, and the film’s unique cinematic techniques. We dive into innovative filmmaking technology, character arcs, and the film’s commentary on systemic racism, all while sharing our personal reactions and ratings.
In this episode of the Never Seen It podcast, we sit down together and unpack Ryan Coogler’s 2025 vampire horror film Sinners. We went into this one with a mix of hype and curiosity, and the conversation pretty much exploded in every direction because the movie gives us a lot to work with. We talk about how the film blends genres, how it holds back on revealing its horror elements until almost an hour in, and how that decision affects the pacing. Some of us loved the slow burn, and some of us felt the setup went on a little long, but we all agreed that once the movie kicks into gear, it really delivers.
One of the biggest talking points for us is the look of the film. Coogler and cinematographer Autumn Durald Arkapaw shot Sinners on IMAX and Ultra Panavision 65 millimeter film, which blew us away when we realized it. We dig into how the film uses the widest lenses available and leans into those massive Delta landscapes and intimate church and juke joint sequences. We talk about how switching formats subtly prepares the viewer for what is coming next, and how even if you are not actively watching for those choices, they hit you on a subconscious level.
Music became one of our favorite parts of the discussion. Sinners is soaked in it, from blues to jazz to gospel to spoken word. We get into how the film treats music as identity, history, and survival. There is a whole section of the movie that shows the evolution of Black music across generations, and we all thought it was one of the most magical scenes in the film. We also loved the casting of Saul Williams as the preacher father. Several of us were huge fans of his slam poetry work, so seeing him here sparked a whole tangent about spoken word, performance, and even a side journey into Stomp and Blue Man Group.
We also spend a lot of time talking about character work, especially Michael B. Jordan playing twin brothers Smoke and Stack. We talk about their dynamic, how we wanted more time with them, and how Jordan brings effortless charisma to both roles. We also get into Sammie, played by newcomer Miles Caton in his first major film role, and how his performance stands out. That leads us into a conversation about the Cyclops guitar he uses and how it becomes a symbolic object in the story.
A major theme we explore is the film’s metaphor around vampirism, culture, and exploitation. The idea of vampires as soul suckers of Black culture really hits us, and we talk about how making the vampire villains Irish adds another layer because of their own history with discrimination. We also debate whether the vampires are truly evil or simply another community seeking survival. That leads into a deeper talk about freedom, equality, and how the film frames immortality as another form of bondage. Alex brings up how becoming a vampire might prevent you from moving on and seeing the loved ones waiting for you on the other side, which ties directly into Smoke’s story and the film’s emotional core.
We also discuss the film’s religious elements. Donnie brings up the preacher’s warning about blues being devil music and how the real message is tied more to the environment and associations than the music itself. We talk about how Sinners uses scripture, temptation, and spiritual symbolism to highlight cultural pressure and manipulation.
A big part of our conversation focuses on awards chances, Oscar snubs, and how prestige shapes the fate of movies like this. We compare Sinners to other genre films that got ignored and talk about how award shows miss the mark on horror and culturally rich stories.
As always, we have plenty of tangents, jokes, and off the rails moments. We talk about vinyl collections, VHS tapes, Comic Con merch flips, pyramid schemes, and even what music we all put on when we are setting a mood. There are a lot of laughs, a few chaotic moments from the live chat, and a whole lot of love for the movie.
By the end, we give our ratings. Several of us landed in the four to five star range. Adrian gives his detailed review, calling the film stylish, well acted, thematically rich, and respectful of its material even if the pacing is a little top heavy. We all agreed that Sinners swings big and lands more often than not.
If you love movies with big ideas, stacked performances, and conversations that go from deep analysis to absolute nonsense, this is a good one.
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Welcome on the Never Seen podcast, The only podcast called Never Seen It That's worth listening to.
And tonight, with us, as always, he's back, ladies and gentlemen, he's back.
Arnie, the one-man partyy, aka.
Arnold Calo.
He's here with us tonight, having some Ciche
and his Ninja Turtle Bowl, which is the best way to have.
I don't even like Ciche, but if it was served to me in a Ninja Turtle Bowl,
I would go for it.
We have Mr. Daily Dares, a.ka.
Filipino Grigio, aka.
Alex Calo, the Brothers Calo, Mr. Donnie Appleseed, aka.
Donnie Guzman, the cousins, Calo, and join us again, our good friend
Mr. Mr. Milkman America, aka.
Chris, is back on the show, and then there's me,
Boots Too Big., aka.
Adrian DeLToria.
And tonight, we're discussing the 2025
vampire horror film soon to be classic Siners
You keep dancing with the devil.
One day he's gonna follow you home.
Directed by Ryan Cuggum, trying to have
their troubled trying to leave their troubled lives behind.
Twin brothers, Smoke and Stack, which is the coolest name I've seen
in a movie in a long time, returned to their hometown to start again,
only to discover that an even greater evil
is waiting to welcome them back.
And this movie, of course, stars Mr. Michael B. Jordan,
who is oozing with charm in this and everything he's in.
We've discussed Chronicle on this show.
I said it then, and I'll say it again.
The guy just oozes charm.
Haley Steinfeld.
Miles Katan, Cat, I don't even know how to say that.
I apologize.
Jack O'Connell and lots of other Delroy Lindo.
We'll have to talk about him because he's great and everything I see him in anyway.
So, yeah, that's Siners.
Ryan Coogler obviously directed this.
It was written by
Ryan Coogler as well, who's was directed Creed.
He directed a Fruitvale station, of course, the Black Panther movie,
the first Black Panther, and Wakanda Forever, which I really liked.
I think a lot of people did as well.
But yeah, that's the movie.
You know, obviously a newer film, that none
of of us had seen before, I did do a little quickie review
on it, which we'll have to repost when this episode comes up.
But yeah, guys, let's start with Chris.
Siners.
Initial thoughts.
What do we feel?
How do we feel about this movie?
Top Notch.
It doesn't get more top notch than this.
I mean, as far as a AAA movie goes, this was delivered
on every single A, like across the board.
What What did you think, though?
I'm curious, because, you know, there was this hyped up a lot, still being hyped up.
Did your perception change at all after having seen like did it live up to your, to the hype?
Do you think?
I
I really don't like to hype movies up more than they
already are, but I would hype it even more on top of the hype that already exists.
It is a phenomenal movie and it has a lot of depth.
So it doesn't even matter if you watch it once, five times,
300 times, because you turn into a vampire and this is your new life now.
Yeah.
It is phenomenal and is a must watch..
The cinematography is
Chef's K, you know?
Yes.
It's such a beautifully shot movie.
I think they shot in an iMAX.
I'll have to look into that.
I believe it's shot in an iMAX.
Shut up.
They shot it in two different cameras.
Two different cameras.
Yes.
Wow.
Yeah.
So it's the only movie that's done that so far. that I know of.
First movie guys.
First movie to do it.
Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
How can you tell?
You don't don't notice on some of the parts where where the frame goes in and goes out?
Oh, yeah.
When you're watching it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, this movie, you know, this movie's
done great.
I mean, it's the way it's been received.
A lot of people have it in their top movies of 2025.
Chris, I'll go to you again really quick.
What kind of awards do you foresee this movie winning next year?
I could see it winning 10 plus awards.
Everything from
music to set design to, I mean, Michael B.
Jordan deserves two just for playing two parts to that degree.
The directing was phenal.omenal.
I don't know what it's going to lose, honestly.
Well, the reason I ask is because horror seems
to be disrespected at the Oscars, I feel like they think they never really win
Oscars.
The pure horror, yes.
I would argue that this horror
is almost a backseat to
like the overarching plot
and story of the movie, which I think it serves it as being such a well-rounded movie.
It's not
I mean, you go 45 minutes to a an
hour in before you even recognize that it is a horror movie.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I only ask also because there was a year,
the year that us came out, I don't know if you guys ever saw us.
It was a Jordan Peele movie.
It was a good movie.
You know, it's got its flaws, but it was a fun ride.
The year that movie came out
completely snubbed by the Oscars, but
they had an opening music number where they had people dancers come out dressed like some of the people in us.
And I'm like, how can like have dancers dressed like characters
in the movie, but you're not even nominating the movie at all?
I just thought that was, you know,
ironic, you know, Those
award shows are always like such hit and miss.
Sometimes it's like right in the money and you're like a group. majority of the award.
And like you said, like you see these movies get snpped and you're like, for what reason, dude?
Like who's who's actually voting on these
No one under the age of 30 remembers the
upset in 1998 when Shakespeare in Love
won over Saving Private Ryan, a movie that I love yeah,
because it starts Tom Hanks, who I also love it and I respect, I don't care what anybody says, but yeah, anyway, that's a running joke
Donnie, I'm curious initial thoughts about sinners.
How did this live up to the hype?
All that good stuff.
So I actually saw the movie, I saw the movie came out in April earlier this year.
Dustin and I attended a
screening before it came out back in February
So we went into the screening, not even knowing what the movie was.
Like, not at all.
We didn't even know the title.
We just went in there blindly and it ended up being sinners.
And we were, I was blown away.
Like, I thought it was amazing.
And so when I saw all the hype come out about it afterwards,
you know, I expected that after I had seen it.
I always love that when you go into a movie Blind, and it turns out to be a really good movie.
That's why I was with Tia.
You go and you don't know what you don't know how much about.
But Bogonia, I don't know the plot at all.
I didn't even I think, no, I didn't even watch the trailer, you know,
and I was like, wow, that turned out to be great.
So
that's always the best.
But Arnold, I think you I go to you next.
I think you had, you only watched it recently, correct?
What were your initial thoughts?
Last night.
Just watched it last night.
Rush off the press presses.
Nice.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, I thought it was really good.
I thought that I knew that it was classified as like a horror.
I didn't know
it was like with vampires, but it
kind of made me think of Overlord, just because
like Overlord, you know, it feels like a war movie.
It feels like something else.
And then like half an hour, 40 minutes, 45 minutes later,
then, you know, whatever the monster or this or the vampires just finally
you, you finally get a glimpse of it and then it's
introduced, and I thought it was another
one of those, I don't know what you call it, but like, yeah.
kind of a little bit of a turn later.
Did you ever watch True Blood on?
Did you ever watch that show?
No, but I got a lot of stuff at Comic-Con for it, which I flipped on eBay.
I was just wondering if you'd seen it and if you
thought of any comparisons to, because that was a vampire show as well.
I know there's a big following because the
stuff, you know, I'll get that stuff for free and then that's the stuff that I
would put it up for auction, start at one cent, 999
cents, and then just, it's a great way to see the market for that.
How many plantation nickels do you
think you can sell some of that merch for?
Oh, man
Uh, yeah, you got me there.
Well, that would be a great test.
Um, Autumn Dald Arcipon,
I hope I'm saying her name right, became the first woman to shoot a feature on
a large fer IMAX film while doing Sininners.
The production used IMAX and Ultraavision slash 65
minutes to amplify the film's epic Delta landscapes and intimate church
slash juke joint scenes.
That, I didn't know, it was 65 millimeter as well.
They weren't messing around.
They were like, you know, we got to go big or go home, baby.
Well, I like how he used that to like transition or like prepare you for something that's coming up, right?
Didn't he just do it?
Yeah, willy-nilly.
Like, it was like planned.
Yeah.
It was really good.
I just got to say, like, Donnie, like you, you bringing that up initially
talking about like the different sizes.
Like it's something so small.
Like if you're not like looking for, you might not even notice
like that it's happening, but for them to shoot on the widest available
lens for a movie like this.
And then the largest
image sensor so like taking up the full screen
is like, it's really impressive
that they were able to do that because that's both that's film.
That's not even digital.
Yeah, a guy like Kuggler and like Tarantino, man,
they are film, film nerds, like the film format.
Top nutch...
I think for, it was Hateful Eight, they
got the same lenses.
They filmed, what was it?
Lawrence of Arabia on or something.
It was like these old vintage lenses.
I think they also shot that in IMx as well.
But that took place mostly in a cabin, so I thought that was interesting.
This movie has like so many different
more locations anyway than that.
But you really feel the epicness with those vintage formats.
Alex, I go to you next.
What did you think about sinners?
What was your perception of it, actually, beforehand?
Did you go in kind of blind or how was that?
I kind of went in somewhat blind.
Well, I mean, when is somewhat blind, that's kind of a dumb term.
But
I went, I knew that it was like a vampire movie.
I knew that, um, that was about it, pretty much.
I knew it was a vampire movie.
I had a feeling that they would, you know,
it was going to show up like at the farm as
I was watching it, I felt like a total like,
you knew it was what was going to go down.
You knew what was going to go down.
I don't think it was predictable
in a way that was bad.
Like, again, like, like when weapons, there
was like a, for me, personally, it was like a level of predictictability
that didn't ruin the film.
You still like hung in there to
see what was going to go on, you know?
And I really enjoyed this film.
It was really, really good.
It lived up to the hype like we all agree upon
For me, my
favorite parts were like a lot of the music scenes,
especially like how they, for Sam
they kind of showed how he was like he was special.
I loved how they made him like
this sort of like conduit for
um like artists, past, present, and future.
You know, how they were able to bring up.
That was really cool.
I thought that was like a cool way of doing it.
I also felt like this movie was an allegory for
we call it, how they saw
how they felt like blues
was they were trying to make it scene as like devil music, you know?
But in the end, blues was
like actually kind of saved a lot.
It passed on stories
of like, like the slaves
and reminded everybody of where they came from,
who they are and what they're they feel they're meant
to be here on Earth as, you know, that they're powerful people
that they were meant to be more
than what was put on them as, you know, slaves.
Oh, Oh, good.
Oh, I wanted to mention, I thought a really cool cameo was Saul Williams.
I don't know if any of you were.
I know Donald is familiar with Saul Williams.
Yeah.
That's like the only thing I wish that was more of in the film.
Yeah.
Yeah.
More Saul Williams.
What does he play?
He's a preacher.
Is the father?
The preacher?
Oh..
He's like a spoken word artist, rapper.
He's like a kind of a legend in the underground, like slam poetry scene.
Okay.
You've probably seen him in the movie, Slam a long time ago.
You remember the movie?
Yeah.
Why does that ring you bell?
I don't think I see.
He's the guy who does the spoken word piece in the very beginning of that movie.
That's cool.
We should watch that.
Two epic openings for movies, ma'am.
Yeah.
Jumping off the whole Sammy thing.
Such an incredible, like story arc.
I mean, to degree, if you take out the vampire portion
of this movie, right, I think there's a story there that stands on its own two legs.
Like the whole, if you want to like boil it down, it's about Sammy
being a sinner, right?
As far as like his dad not approving, his
preacher dad not approving of the music that he plays, the
blues, and this kind of like push, pull struggle of
what his heart wants and what is what he's being told to do a
live this like, priest, holy like life.
And you have all these different influences, right?
You have smoke and snack.
Coolest names to have ever come out of a movie.
So awesome.
But all these different aspects of who
who Sami comes in contact contact with.
You see the struggle of like him, trying to cut out his own path.
And I think the vampire stuff is really cool.'t get me wrong.
But like the music, the cultural aspect of this movie, the duality of this whole movie
was like kind of like on Sammy's back.
I agree with what you're saying.
I think, funny enough is that we could have worked without vampires in a way.
Like they could have written it where it was like a period of drama where
the races come out of the woodwork literally and try to destroy
their newfound establishment or whatever.
But the vampire stuff adds a certain
pinage to it.
Is that the right word?
Pinache?
It breaks the glass ceiling.
It goes ahead and make this phenomenal.
Say it's like two movies in one for sure.
Yeah.
Well, what did you guys think about the vampire guy?
He was such a scary villain, especially in that scene
where Haley Stanfield goes out there to talk to them.
And then she walks away and then you see him just fucking jump up and
cut to the next scene I'm like, wow, yeah, that was that was a move.
What did you guys think about him?
Arnold, you like you like good bad guys, I feel like.
You're like the good bad guy guy of this show.
What was your thoughts on the main bad guy of this movie
So, yeah, when he
first came to that, like, knocking on the Ku Klux Klan's house.
And then like he was running from.
I thought legit that he was running from somebody
who was like hurting him or something because he was like, man, why is he all burnt up?
Yeah.
And then, and then them engines were looking for him.
which, I wish they, I was just thinking about it now.
Would have been cool if they talked about
that a little bit more or if they, you know, incorporated them a little bit more because
like they.
The Indians seemed to know yeah what
it was or who they were the vampire dude was running from them.
Well I guess because it was, what, daytime?
Yeah that I'm thinking about now.
Oh, that's right.
It was like when the sun was coming up or coming down.
Did you guys notice when he came to that house and that scene that he dropped the Irish accent?
Yeah.
Oh, no, actually?
Oh, yeah.
Because the whole movie, he has the Irish accent except for that part.
He is Irish, yeah.
Yeah, but the reason he did that is because back in the day,
um, Irish were considered like, they were not,
they were like aliens, like immigrants as well, basically.
Yeah, second class citizens.
C citizen, yeah.
I'm glad you bring that up because that's one of one of the things I wanted to talk about because
Ryan Cooper said in an interview that he wanted the vampire to come from a time
that pre-existed like these racial times in
the South so that they would be extremely odd.
And the Irish under British rule experien suppression of their language.
So not just you in the United States, but back in the UK,
of their language, their culture, their religion, their dance, music, and all that stuff.
So I think that it's a nod to
his heritage and how he's also comes from suppressed peoples.
That's interesting.
It gives me more of, I don't know that, and I
couldn't help but think about the Celtics and, you know, how I don't like them
as a microphone.
Wait, isn't that Celtics?
Is it supposed to be Celtics or is it Celtics?
Okay.
I don't know.
Celtics.
I asked because I didn't know this until very recently,
but the Irish have their own native tongue, which is Celtic.
I didn't know that until like
embarrassingly, very, recently.
The Celtic language, you know.
It's weird., because I would take Celtic salt,
but when I'm referring to basketball, Celtics.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you're a Lakers guy, right?
Arnold?
Yeah, yeah.
I don't buy any more.
I know this Ninja Turtles bowl is green
but I don't get any other, I don't buy anything green.
If I have a choice for something green, I won't do it.
I won't because I'm that much against them.
He won't watch The Luck of the Irish, the Disney original movie
out of fightight.
Well, so annoying you've seen Rudy.
You've seen Rudy, I hope.
Yeah.
It's a good movie.
Oh, but's Notreame. though, right?
It is Notre Dame, but aren't they the fighting Irish?
Yeah.
Yeah, but they're not the Celtics.
They're not the Celtics.
It's the rivalry with the Lakers, so
Oh, so knowing like the Dodgers versus the,
the, who the New York, the New York Yankees Mets.
Yan.
The Yan.
I I know about sports.
Um But you're saying the Celtics and the Lakers are like that, right?
Yeah..
Rivals.
Rals.
Hope's the football version of that, now that we're talking about it, let's just get it out of the way.
Probably the Chiefs.
Chiefs.
Oh, gosh.
I don't know.
Because you're a resident sports guy.
Do you watch football?
I do.
Yeah.
I mean,, the past decade, it
was like the Patriots versus the whole league.
But now as late, it was it's probably the
the Chiefs just because of their dominance.
How much is that much of that is like a true beef and how
much of that is just like, you know, marketing to like, you know..
Hating to hate.
I think it's fun to hate a team in sports.
That's what makes it so fun to share for.
Oh, I see see.
Yeah.
As an on-sports guy, I'm curious about these things.
This is why I talk about movies, because, you know, I'm out of my depth when it comes to sports
All right.
No, but that's good, though, Arnold.
Yeah, it's interesting to learn this stuff.
And I learned a lot just from watching this, just after the fact, from watching
of this movie.
But healing laughter power says, the prayer.
Oh, he says that he's the most silly vampire ever.
Then he says the prayer and how the lead vampire was damning it as
how it was the words of his oppressor.
Oh, okay.
Was that part of his,
I don't remember what scene that was, what he's referring to.
Is that when they were in the water and he was talking about how Christianity
wiped his families.
out.
Which is.
I think so.
Which is true.
That's right?
Yeah.
Historically, they were colonized.
I thought that was the crazy part where he where they're doing the Our father.
Was it the Our father?
Or one of the prayers?
And then he joins in and he continues to prayer with him, right?
With Peacher boy?
That was crazy.
That was like pray's heart.
Like in the water.
I was like, oh, man.
And then he's basically like baptizing him.
Yeah.
Like dunking him in the water.
But I, yeah.
I think it's, I think it's like, I don't
know if they meant this, but maybe it's like him trying to like
connect back to to his roots because like if you look at that
historically, they were forced into Christ Christianity.
It wasn't something that they wanted to do, right?
When they were colonized.
And that's such a running theme throughout Pretty much the entire planet..
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
The Christian colonization of
so many nations throughout the world, throughout history, the Irish as well.
And then, you know, but there was like the oppositeite in Spain, right?
Because the Moors ruled Spain for hundreds
of years in the Spanish, the Catholics were like, no, get out.
And then, you know, the Inquisition and all that.
But we don't have to talk about all that.
That's all interesting, though.
It all kind of goes back to that is what I'm getting at. did you
So Sammy is an interesting character and even more so, I think, because the
actor, Miles, Miles, I don't know how to say his last name.
Katin Katan.
This is his his first movie role
which is amazing.
Yeah. who who is that?
Which guy' Sammy, the character of Sam..
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, he he had to learn to play those's instruments, or that instrument, the guitar.
And same thing with, um, what's his name?
Delroy.
The guy who played, yeah, he learned to play the piano
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Piano and harmonica.
Yeah.
And harmonica, yeah.
That's crazy.
And you know who else knows how to play harmonica?
Healing Latchchar, who's with us doing in the chat.
So, yeah.
Healing Lachar.
I remember a time or two when he played the harmarmonica and I think he may still play the harmonica.
I don't know if he's listening now, but let us know H Afterpower if
you're still still playing that little d Send us some clips.
make a secondary jingle for the show.
Or an outro.
Oh, there you go...
Or for commercial.
Yeah.
Our snack breaks.
We'll be able to have a little jazz.
Snazzy snacks.
Yeah, so there's a lot of good stuff in this movie.
Here's the thing I wanted to say and ask you guys what you thought about this.
Because to me, the movie feels a little top heavy,
I feel like it doesn't really get going until
I want to say 30, 40 minutes in.
There's a lot of setup in this movie.
Did you guys notice that at all?
Like, did you guys, or did, how was the pacing for you?
I guess is what I'm getting at.
Like, did the pacing feel good for you guys, or did you guys kind of end up pick
up on the fact that was there was just a lot of setup in the beginning.
And what did you you guys think about that?
Alex, let's start with you.
It did.
It felt a little bit top heavy, but I feel like it was necessary.
You're going into this with like no no knowledge of any of the characters whatsoever.
in the sense that you have to, you know.
And if you don't do that, when you go
to the rest of the film, it's like, you're not going to.
The characters aren't going to earn the, you know, what happens, you know?
The rest of the film.
It's just kind of like you go, you go into it.
If you didn't set up like the
the death of the baby or like,
you obviously know that like somebody had passed.
Like with, I can't I don't know the difference between smoke and stack.
Who was with who, but one of them was with that
one voodoo lady
and she, they obviously had something
going and there was something that was meaningful at her house.
I was kind of buried or in front of the house.
And so you had to have that.
And like, if you didn't have that at the
ending wouldn't feel earned.
You know, her death wouldn't feel like
it wouldn't have meaning, you know, and you
have to have meaning in those sorts of things.
Yeah, the stakes, the wooden stakes.
And this movie borrowed
a lot of the familiar vampire tropes, and it's why I brought up.
Oh, what was that show?
I can't even think of it right now.
God damn it.
True Blood.
True Blood.
Thank you.
Blood.
Arnold, always good with the assists.
Thank you, Arnold.
I brought up True Blood because in that show as well, vampires
aren't allowed to enter your home wherever you are without permission.
They did that in this movie.
Oh, I didn't.
Yeah, I kind of picked up on that.
Like, why don't they just go inside by it?
I guess That's I was thinking You have to be invited.
What did you guys think about?
I watched it.
It's been a few weeks now since I watched it.
What was the thing that got them in there?
Because they weren't invited in there.
They didn't force their way in there.
What was the thing that?
Because the lady I thought they were invited.
Yeah.
They were the Asian lady.
At one
Yeah..
She was she's like, she, come on on in.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Come on in.
And then they're like, I'm.
Wasn't Haley Steinfeld a bit of a Trojan horse?
Because she gets bit first and then she goes in
right?
And then she turns in the room with one
of the brothers and when they're trying to help out..
Yeah.
And so she's in there.
Does she get killed?
I can't remember what happens to her.
What's her fate in this movie?
Haley Steinfeld.
No, remember she doesn't, she doesn't die die at the end.
She doesn't die, okay.
Yeah, she doesn't die.
She' You saw her in the bar?
Her and stack.
Yeah, her and stack are coming back.
Remember at the bar??
Yeah, at the very end, at the bar.
Did you guys see that scene?
Did you see at the the post-c scene?
Not.
Oh, Man.
Man, you guys miss a post.
It's like the big payoff.
Alex left?
No, Alex.
I did not know What's in the post-c scene?
Yeah.
Yeah,
Yeah, so at the end, you know, you're
going through the post-cit scene, and then you see Sammy in the future and he's like playing it with a band.
It's like in the 90s.
Like, it was 1994.
And then he shows up.
He shows up.
He's like playing guitar, and at that very end, he's sitting at the bar,
Sam having a drink and you see Stack or Smoke.
Walk in with Haley, Haley's character, and they're still alive.
And he goes, he like he talks about how
the one thing he promised not to do was
to kill Sammy because
he felt like he had something important, you know?
He wanted he wanted oh, yeah, he wanted he wanted him to live out a full life.
So.
Like, yeah, that's.
Is she still a vampire, though, in that?
Yeah.
Yeah, they both are.
Okay.
They both are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What was actually kind of cool about that scene, though, was how
you know, Sammy asks Sam, he's like, like,
is there anything that's, like, I can't remember the question, but he says,
like something how it was it all worth it?
He's like, you know, or something like along those lines.
And he he says, like, you know, there was that moment
before we turned where everybody was happy.
Everything, everybody got that they wanted.
And they were all before all the vampires
had like started coming down on them and they were just just
having fun in that juke joint.
And like to them
to like stack and Haley's
character, that was like the most beautiful thing, you know, moment for all of them.
And it was kind of cool and almost sets up like a
possible like sequels hidd in the feature.
So yeah, like it just for that.
They said it was like that the best day of their life. about the of their lives.
Yeah, they felt for the best day of their life.
That scene, Peter Boy was played by, it was played by Buddy Guide.
Do you guys know who that is?
The guitarist?
Don't.
Sounds familiar.
So, yeah, he's.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That's Buddy Guy.
So he plays a Preacher boy.
So I thought that was a cool, that was a cool choice for
Ryan Kuggler to put him in the movie and play
play him as like the older version.
So, but yeah, he's super influated.
I like how he was.
He was all saying like, uh, what do you call it?
I liked your older stuff as opposed to the electric guitar stuff.
But yeah.
Acknowledging..nowledging that he has been like
stackless had been following his career.
His whole career.
Which is kind of cool.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, because I think he mentioned going back to that now.
Yeah.
Well, isn't that why records are vinyl is still a thing, right?
Because people are like, it's a cool a format and
right, than digital, than N3s and you actually in physical media.
Yeah, it's a warmer tone from what I've heard
Do I see some vinyl behind you, Donald?
Yeah, I have vinyl behind me right now.
Yeah, this all this stuff here.
I have more, too, but this is just some of it that I have out.
My newer stuff.
Actually, when I went to LA with Alex, I
bought quite a bit and had it shipped over to me.
Yeah, people love physical media that's making a big comeback.
Maybe someday we'll release this show on CD or something.
VHS.
VHS.
Yeah, VHS. version of the nervous Seen a podcast
before podcasts even existed or on next year at Comic-Con, we're going to be
with those guys who are trying to sell their CDs.
We'll be selling our DVDs of it.
Long jackets.
It's not like those guys on the boardwalk in Venice City, they try to sell you their rep
mixtakes, right?
Yeah, yeah.
I remember started like that.
I got.
Wu-Tang started like that.
Did they really.
The other clan.
When they were talking about the clan is no longer here in the movie, I was thinking like,
the only clan I know of is Wu-Tang Clan.
That's the only one that matters.
Or like a.. even say it in the movie For Us by Us?
Yeah, you reference to Fub?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah..
Did you guys see like, I caught that too.
Do you guys see, like, the vampires as like
like being bad?
Because I feel like they were just trying to like build their community, right?
Again, going back to that whole Irish thing.
Like, I mean, in a There's the way they
are the bad guy, theatically.
Yeah. debatable, right?
Because, like you're saying, that's the oppression and stuff of the Irish peoples.
Yeah.
The way I see it, like, it was just
another becoming a vampire was just another form of slavery
You know?
They talked about how it's freeing
and you'll never, you'll never die and all that sort of thing.
Yeah.
However, it's, you don't get to, when
you, because you don't die, you don't get to pass on and to see your loved ones.
People who are waiting for you on the other side
you know, like what happened with Stack or with smoke.
And he was, you know, once he died after killing
all those clansmen and he hit himself getting killed.
He passes on and he's able to see his,
his love and his, his child
And had he like become a vampire, he would have died.
But he would have never passed all over into and see his loved one.
And then, you know, at the same time, it's like, you know, so it's just
like everybody's like, in that sense is is searching for freedom.
And that's a good point. equality.
But like, you know, like, they, the whole
lie that he was trying to, the leader of those vampires was like trying to
perpetuate was, oh, you're free, we're all equal.
This is everything's fair, but like at the same time.
And it's this hive mind, right?
They know what everybody's thinking.
So how is that free when you you're thinking the same thing?
Everybody's thinking the same way.
Everybody's thinking the same thing
doing the same thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
H HLP says vampire vampires are a pyramid scheme.
Exactly.
The OG MLM.
The OG.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaking of like the slavery thing, and going back to what you mentioned earlier
it being heavy in the beginning, I thought, like you
could really tell that they did a lot of research like historically making
sure that they was like accurate, accurately depicted and everything.
Like even, even when they were talking about like the plantation and when they
bought the property and they were talking about how everybody lived in the top of the sawmill, like that's, that's real.
It's like they used to
they used to like let plantation workers basically live
there and then they would, they would rent out like equipment
and stuff for them to work, but they wouldn't make enough money and so they
would also supplement them by giving them those coins, the one that they used in the bar, right?
But the coins are not really worth anything unless you're using it at your own plantation store.
And so it's like, it's a way to still keep them chained up and
even though they're not slaves or they were freed, they were still like tied to it.
They couldn't really leave because they weren't making enough money to go anywhere.
So it's very interesting.
Like all the all the all the history that that
he he injects into it in the very beginning.
And even like even where like
the Chinese family, like, like how they're
there and that's that's also historically correct, right?
And the way he filmed it, I was, I was watching a YouTube video about it,
and I didn't catch this, but she had, they
had two stores, like one on the poor side where the blacks were and then a nicer one on the white side.
And it was just across the street from each other.
And you could see it when she crosses the street
like all the chaos breaks out.
That's when the guy gets shot on the black side.
So I didn't catch this when I was watching it, but I was watching a YouTube video that was talking about it.
So I thought it was really cool how they took time and invested
the time to do all the research and make sure it was all correct.
And that just said one thing to me, which is segregation is stupid.
Like, really, like
you look back on it now and you're like, obviously it's bad,
for just, you know, morally bad, but it's it's practically stupid, too.
You know, a whit water fountain and a blackwater fountain.
Where do Latinos and Asians think?
I'm serious.
Like in the South, back then, if you were Latino or Asian, which water fountain did you use?
I don't even know.
You know what I mean?
I think I know which one I would have used, obviously, you know,
but in general, like, which one, it's, it's just dumb, you know?
But, I' glad you' regardless.
Yeah, I'm glad you bring up the Chinese immigrants because the
Chinese immigrants famously held build the railroads in this country, right?
So
I don't know that that gets talked about enough, but yeah, like we have
such a pretty robust rail system in the United States and who helped build that, right?
So I thought it was great that he included the
Chinese shop owners in that part of the movie.
But
yeah, what is it?
He Power says.
Oh, sorry, I misread the wrong thing.
He did say say that he still, he does still use the harmonica.
So every now and then.
You you'll have to send us a mixtape for that.
He't have to power, but only when we're at Venice Beach, of course.
Yeah..
Hey, Arnold, we're past the 30 minute mark and I
feel like, you know, we missed out on a certain.
I'm just kidding.
There's too much stuff my set up now.
I might knock over the screen and everything.
No, yeah, you don't want to do that.
You don't want to do that.
But wait a minute.
There is another connection, you know, Arnold, because what is what are not in this meeting, but in general.
What are vampires week two?
What are they their weakness?
What is a vampire's weakness?
What can you use to keep keep them away?
A little bit of garlic.
A little bit of garlic.
Silver?
Yeah, it's?
Gic.
A stick to the heart.
Or is that werewolves?
Is werewolves a stick to the heart?
Or what's werewolves' weakness?
I always forget.
No, I think that's vampires.
I think it's vampires vampire okay.
Silver as well, I thought.
Silver.
Yeah, silver.
Silver.
If you think of an underworld with silver bullet, remember?
Yeah.
Oh, okay, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, dude,ways, doorways keep vampires away.
Doways into houses.
Doways.
I didn't know that.
There's also that True Blood thing.
What's that?
What's that, Donnie?
I never watched True Blood, so that thing where they can't enter, I didn't know until you guys were just talking about it.
I had no clue about that.
I thought that was like specific to this movie.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's just one of those vampire tropes.
I don't think True Blood made it up either.
I think it's it's one of many vampires. tropes.
Crazy.
Yeah.
Just that garlic and a stake to the heart.
Go ahead, Alex.
As for the the werewolf thing, it is silver because
I know I know that because of the, there's a movie called Silverver Bullet.
And I think that was a Stephen King film
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
There's like a..
Yeah.
I watched it in Canada when I was a kid.
I know from Van Helsing.
Vampires and zombies, aliens and
ghosts and demons always have a movie or two in the horror
genre every other year or every year.
You don't see too many words werewolf movies.
I feel like we haven't had a good werewolf movie in a while.
There was that one in the 90s.
What was it?
American Werewolf in Paris, I think.
I don't like that one.
There was two.
There was a American werewolf in London
that was the original.
And then American Werewolf in Paris was the sequel.
There's a new one.
These werewves travel more than I do.
There's a new one?
Yeah, it's called Wolfman.
Because they Oh, yeah, yeah.
I about the girl from, we just watched the movie with her in it.
What's her name?
Beck?
Oh, you're thinking about Helsing. right?
No, underwor.
That's underworld.
Oh, that'swld.
What's Van Helsing?
Let's see.
What's another girl?
Sharon Stone?
No?
Yeah, Sharon Stone is....
Helsing is that one guy, I think..
Gardner
who's just in..
In weapons.
In weapons.
Somebody on..
This is also kind of an aside here, but that's what we do on this show.
There They had an idea for a movie where it's a black guy
gets kidnapped by the Kuuklux clan, but unbeknownst
to them, he was bitten by a werewolf prior to him getting kidnapped.
So he turns into a werewolf at night and just goes ham on the clan.
And that sounds like a badass movie.
I would tell the clan.
I' the clown.
That's what we'll call it too.
If he writes that and gets gets it produced,
I'll. you say ham on the clam?
Yeah.
The clan, the clan.
The clan.
On the clan.
Did I say clam with an M?
No, you said it was the..
Techical difficulties.
It's just Arnold's dirty mind sometimes.
D..
D. Naughty boy.
Hey, I
wanted to mention real quick because we did recently The Crow,
and we were talking about that whole accident that happened, with the ammunition.
Right.
The fake that.
So for this movie, they used guns with new technology
that actually had recoil, but didn't shoot any projectiles.
I thought that was cool.
Oh, wow.
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, because those Tommy guns look legit when he's gone.
Yeah, I mean, they had recoils and everything, but nothing comes out of it.
He was so bad.
That's be cool, actually.
Yeah.
I thought was cool.
I thought that you could just fire blanks, though.
Wasn't that the same thing?
Or am I, I guess I don't know what depends.
It's not made to fire anything, I guess.
It's just made to that it kicks the recoil and then they throw the.
Okay..
Wow.
Yeah.
Nothing's ever loaded in it at all.
Like it doesn't shoot anything at all.
That's like a vasectomy.
Yeah, exactly like a vasectomy.
Well, yeah.
I mean, wow.
That's, that's a pretty good chunk of discussion right there, guys.
But yeah, um, yeah, what other thoughts do we have?
I mean, there's, I feel like there's somewhere we could probably talk about this movie for a long time, but
what about the talks about?
Go ahead, Chris.
I think we have to talk about the
song portion in where Sammy's singing and
then the past and the future.
One of the best..
I
like the way the camera.
Yeah.
Is that you referring to Alex when you were talking about the music?
Yeah, that was that was a scene.
I think kind of the best.
Yeah.
I like how it kind of the music kind of blended
into each other, like the different styles.
Like he saw like first it was like, you know, Sammy doing this thing and then you saw like
uh, like that guy that was kind of represented of like the
70s, like, like the There was a lot of stuff that rock into that.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's like then there's like the DJ doing
the hip-hop, and then you see like the break dancer.
And then like, you even see like, it was like kind
of a nod to like even the past history of like
Chinese Americans where they had like those, um,
you know, the dancers being represented.
You know, I thought that was really cool.
I thought they were just like trying to show that like it wasn't just black culture.
You know, music brings everybody together type of deal.
Yeah.
But yeah, 100%.
I thought that was cool.
Even the blackoods and the Crips, they show them both..
The was like gambling?
Music's so good.
They're both at the party.
Yeah.
Did you guys Go ahead, sorry.
That's another 10.
Oh, I was just going to say that that's another testament to like how music brings everybody together, right?
Regardless of what they believe.
It's just like, when they're there, you're just there to, you know, all together as one.
Did you guys watch the Kendrick Lamar halftime Super Bowl special?
Oh, this year?
Do you remember how like Katrina, what's her name?
Serena Williams there's a quick shot of her dancing.
Oh.
She's doing like the crypt.
Dancer.
Did you guys see the deaf Reddit post about that where
all these dudes on Reddit were like, ugh, why is she glorifying
g gang culture, man?
Like, dude, it's not gang culture just because it
maybe it originates from that, but that's not what it represents.
Like, are you guys really that out of depth or
that out of touch with reality that you think that her dancing at
the Super Bowl is glorifying gangster, the gang culture of the bloods and the crypts or whatever?
that's just are stupid.
That's way of thinking.
It shows shows how to touch her.
Go ahead, Alex.
Sorry.
If you think about it too, it's like, why why were there gangs?
It was to protect their neighborhoods from like people, like racists.
You know, yeah, but then, you know, and
it wasn't, it was because of the racistist who like pitted
like black people against black people against each other.
They were the ones that like, were planting drugs in the neighborhoods.
You know, they were like, like, give it, put it, like
putting weapons in the, in the hands of people like,
who they didn't need them.
They were just trying to protect them.
And then they just instigated stuff, and that's how you got those rivalries.
You don't, it wasn't all manufactured
You know, the whole drug war was manufactured.
The gang war was manufactured.
So people who were saying like, oh, Criw, your girl areing.
Well, you're the one that like put it, like gangs on the streets.
Not them.
They were just protecting their neighborhoods.
So, sorry.
No, no, it's a good point.
I 100% agree.
And I'm glad you say that because it just, like I said, it just makes you realize
how people just have no grasp of just
basic history, you know, especially when it comes to
systemic racism.
And like you said, like Nixon started the drug
planning drugs in the urban street,
you know, black neighborhoods and whatnot, and then continued by Reagan, by the way.
Yeah. even look at like,
the Mafia, the Italian Mafia, they were seen
as like lower than like people, like just like the Irish.
Like the.
And so
so they manufactured that war between
Irish and the Italians as well.
They talked about it in the movie.
Yeah.
It's all manufactured.
The only real war is class war.
I 100% agree. 100% agree.
And by the way, the Irish are now considered away.
The Italians are now considered away.
And how do the rest of us get on that train so that we don't keep getting suppressed, right?
How did they do it?
I don't know.
I don't know how the Italians did it, but
they managed to pull it off.
I would say good food, but Mexicans have good food too, so it's not bad.
Probably through wine.
Through wine?
Through wine.
There's a Viche, right, Arnold?
But you got to have it on a Ninja Turtle's plate.
Ninja Turtle Bowl right here, Leonardo.
Hey, Isn't that Italian Leonardo?
It is actually.
Leonardo, Michael is bringing everyone together.
Yeah.
Everything goes back to racism, though, right?
Like, everything in this country goes back to racism.
Direors like Ryan Koogler and
Jordan Peele, since we're talking about him too a little bit.
They know how to really work that into demantically into their stories and stuff.
And I think that's why we need
diverse voices in film, especially in
film, because, you know, variety
is a spice of life, as they sing.
And I think it's movies like this and, you
know, it's all we learn as a culture, you know?
I mean, if you're not reading a history book, which is fine
you can watch movies and and listen to music and
learn about stuff that way, I think.
So.
What's the only log of power saying?
Adrian, you are well.
Healing out.
I hate to break it to you.
No, I'm just kidding.
But you know what?
You guys know what I'm getting at, right?
I'm going on too much of attention.
I apologize.
Let's get back to the.
One last question before we start to wrap her up, and I'll open this to
the room, but I'll start with you, Chris, as what do you think was the emotional high point of this movie?
Honestly,
the high point.
There's so many high points in it.
So it really kind of kind of depends on,
it comes back down to the viewer as far as what you were potentially
looking for out of this movie, going into it.
Were you looking for just a vampire movie?
Were you interested because of all the culture aspects to this movie
For me personally, seeing Sammy
in that singing scene was kind of pivotal
for me to sort of
see how all of their cultures came together
and like they say, at the end, like that
was their best day, like that moment, if you can take that snapshot, that
two minutes of that movie was just so powerful.
And, uh, not only with how they filmed it and the
music and all the nods to all the different cultural aspects, but,
uh, bring it back to Sammy, who's on in
between this duality of like, do I lean into this life of sinning, right?
Like you have like these seven deadly sins literally happening under
that roof at that moment, but, uh, you
see him kind of like just going to the deep end and like he loses himself in that moment.
I thought that was so powerful
outside of it being a vampire movie.
That was was just like, it took the cake for me.
I know it can take people out of the movie if you were looking for a vampire movie.
Like, what am I watching right now?
Because it gets very woo- woo and spiritual and
whatnot, but I just think at the core of it, that moment was so beautiful for Sammy to have that.
That was really cool.
That's a great, that's a great pick.
I like I love it.
Yeah, I did.
Donnie, what do you think?
What was the big emotional high point for you?
Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with Chris.
I remember sitting in a theater when that scene came on.
I just like felt a certain way.
Like it really resonated with me and I thought I thought also that it was shot amazingly.
and I, yeah, I would just have to agree.
And there's nothing more I can say about it.
Like it was so good.
My favorite scene of the movie was that scene.
So it was it was amazing.
Arnold, what did it for you?
What was the big emotional peek?
You know, I was trying to think of something different just for the sake of being different
But I think I would have to agree with that as
well, because at that point, okay, I
was watching it kind of slouch and then I was getting a little tired
and then but then when I when that came on, I was like, oh man, this is dope.
This is cool.
Like it really was so cool
But, so I would have to agree there.
But if you were to ask something a little bit different, like what was instead of
the emotional high point, what do you think was the most,
what would you think was the most erotic point for you, Adrian, how about you?
The most erotic point for me would have been when he goes to visit
the, I forget her name, in her cabin or whatever, and
they're talking and they're talking and they're talking, and then he like says something or she says something and they just start going at it.
I'm like, oh, Annie and smoke.
Eddie.
Eddie, yeah.
Annie and smoke gave her that smoke, yeah.
What
was the girl's name that, uh, that Sammy?
Haley Steinfeld?
No, that you took the light to the girl.
The one that that
I don't know her name. name about her name. she was I know who you're talking about.
Yeah.
He was trying to hit her up.
He was trying to hit her up throughoutout the middle part of the movie, wasn't he?
Yeah, she died diving in later.
Yeah.
I just love it that Stack gave Sammy
like the tips in the while they're driving.
and then right.
Yeah.
Oh, they got an ice cream.
I not too hard and not too soft.
I love that scene.
That was so funny.
Oh, yeah.
And she was like, all right, oh, come on.
I walk I don't walk over here.
Let me clean up first.
And he was like, I swear. want to taste it.
I just like you want it to last is what El and after power is in..
That's where he tells him.
Alex, how about you?
What's your high point?
The high point?
For me, it was.
Emotional high point, yeah.
Emotional hypotic.
I think it was, I think it would have to be.
I mean, there was definitely like, what Chris said said, there was a
lot of, there was a lot of it and what you're looking for is what you'll get.
But
for me, I think one of my my favorite high points was
at the very end, when you'll see, you know,
is it smoke?
He like, I think it's before
the cl clansman coming to the farm.
Like in between the farmires and the Kansmen, there's that like that moment.
Yeah.
And he's like, he's like showing how like in his memory
or his imagination, I'm not really sure what it is, but
he's like, what he's envisioning is like this farmhouse
where like everybody's working together they're
all living in like, like harmony and kind of the thing.
But what happens is the clansman,
like, I think what would have happened either way if they bought the house for like,
like instead of doing a ju joint, it would have been like a farmhouse or whatever.
The Klansman would have come there anyways and tried to kill everybody.
And that's, I think that's what was the goal, was that
like, have all these people there and then they would just wipe out a bunch of black people
in that farmhouse, but they go in there and
there's nobody there and smoke is
hiding in the bushes because he'd been in the military.
You know, he knew how to like fight.
And he ambushed all those clansmen and took him out.
But I think that was like a cool emotional high point because it was him like seeing this sort of like
what could have been or what should have been or thing.
And that was like a beautiful moment for it all.
And then it obviously leads into him meeting
up with Annie again on the other side.
That was kind of a really great emotional high point for me.
Cool.
That was insensitive.
I love that scene.
Yeah.
You mentioned how he was in the services, right?
I think it's cool, like how, again, the attention to detail with the character development.
Like, you could see him trembling throughout the whole movie.
Like he can't even roll his own cigarettes.
And when his brother's not around, he's smoking out of a pipe, right?
Yeah, it's just so good.
It's like super good.
Yeah.
I wish I had just one ounce of
cool that Michael will B. Jordan as, you know.
One ounce of cool.
And I I would be, you know, I'd be killing it, man.
Like the cool cigarette?
The swagger, yes.
Thank you.
Yeah, but Dude, he's been in like every Ryan Cougar movie.
Yeah.
They work together in every movie.
Like De Niro and keep doing it.
They keep Dude.
Killer combo.
Got to keep it more from them.
And doing it and doing it well.
And doing it well, yeah.
Do. My buddy Brian's in the chat says, Adrian is a purveyor of hate speech.
Yes, I am.
What can I say?
But hey, I get clum to love all the time too.
So, you know, it kind of cancels itself out.
Anyway.
But yeah, guys, that's sinners.
I mean, do we have any more, any more things we want to talk about?
Or we want to go into final thoughts?
How are we feeling?
I do want to mention the whole camera thing.
Like, I mean, he obviously plays two different roles.
We didn't touch on that at all.
I was like,
right?
I was researching that and like how it was shot because I
thought, I thought they were like he was shooting it and then he would go back again and shoot it again.
But there was a lot of like
prep that went into it.
Like he, he wears this one one thing that goes on
you and it's like cameras all around and so they can impose his face
onto the body double in certain scenes, like later. on.
Yeah, it's just just crazy.
And like
how they have to pay very close attention to when
they cut the film and reshoot it because
yeah, they have to the exactly. like, yeah, like he's passing the cigarette off to himself, for example, right?
Like, you have, the person has to really make sure,
okay, it was the cigarette the same length and just all that detail.
Like, it's just crazy how they, how they did it.
They had to use everything from like sound cues to
make sure like people are hanging off crops.
Yeah.
Like like the level of detail like is so insane.
I I don't know how they do it so seamlessly, but yeah, that's a lot of work.
I think they said 17 times for eachet scene.
Wow.
Sure you should.
I want to know is, does Michael B. Jordan get paid double for.
doing double the work?
Because he is playing two different car.
Or just studio save money that way by, you know.
I think he's I think he's going to get an award for this for sure.
Okay.
Because Arm Hammer did something similar on the social network.
He plays the Winklevost twins
And I don't know how they imposed his face in
that movie, compared to this one movie, but you know, it's still two different performances.
You know what I mean?
Two different.
I'm I'm sure in in the contracts
they get like compensated some way.
Yeah.
I'm he's he's compensated pretty well for this one.
He did pretty unsuccessful movie.
I know voice actors, they'll have
like a pay scale, like sort of what you're talking to of like the more roles
that they play as voice actors, they' fall into like tiers of pay.
Like, once you like go over like three voices, then you like go up to a certain threshold.
But I think when you have a tripleA
famous star, it's just, hey, we're going to throw the bag at you.
And I don't.
It is crazy.
It's crazy because he had to wear two different make, like they did his makeup differently for each character.
He had two different walks.
Like they had two, you know, this is like two, like two completely different traits and that he had to
accomplish throughout the filming.
So I thought that's, yeah, that is crazy.
The physicality of like everything from like just hand movements, right?
Like one's very sure of themselves.
Like you said, one's very shaky and kind of like stack
is the more passionate, smokes more like the comp cool collected guy.
Back to d duality, right?
Like, yeah.
Now, imagine Eddie Murphy in the,
you know, Nutty Professor movies where he's playing like six different characters.
And they're all in the same room interacting with each other.
And the way they did it back then, they had a camera on a
tracking mount that just did the same exact camera movement each time, but then he just plays
you know, they, so that's like, I don't know how many takes for all the
different characters on those movies, you know, but It's cameras.
That's what they use here.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, they use like a robo, yeah, like a they program the camera to these.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Because the other way is to have a camera just staying in the same spot and then reshooting it over and over again.
Which they didn't.
Yeah.
That would probably be more impractical and take way longer to do.
Yeah.
That's the thing about movies is it's it's a monotonous process.
Like it's it's When you're making a movie, it's boring because
it's a lot of repetitive work and you know, hurry up and wait.
But, you know, the amount of artistry that goes into any and all movies is fantastic
Oh, yeah.
And you need the budget to do it, too.
Exactly.
Yeah, well, any other thoughts?
Bef before we start to wrap her up, Alex, do you have any other
thoughts that you wanted to touch on?
No, not really.
All right.
Well, cool.
I think we've done it, guys.
I think it's time to do final thoughts.
And I think I'll start with Chris.
I'll start with you.
What are your final thoughts on sinners and where can people find you?
I think that this movie has
got so many layers, like lasagna
that you can watch it so many different
times focusing on different aspects.
If you're a nerd like myself or Donnie,
when you're like looking at like camera aspects, this movie
is like the creme de la creme of like a well shot movie
If you just like music in general, you're
going to find like this movie is just saturated
with culture in like such a beautiful way with tons of nods to every
again, just all these different aspects of music.
If you like good acting.
I mean, you see Michael B. Jordan knocking out of the park and like the
supporting case, like Sammy's Killer.
It's his first role, like major role.
So I gave it a five out of five.
Like for a movie like this that, like you said.
Adrian, like this movie is hyped a lot, but
I think it's it's well- earned.
So yeah, five out of five.
And you can find me at Milkman Am Miraca everywhere
under your bed. in your closet.
There is no escaping Milkman America in today's world, right, Chris?
Yes.
Thank you for that, Chris.
Donnie, final thoughts.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
I love everything about this movie.
I don't think I've rated a movie five out of five yet, but this one for me is definitely a five out of five.
Highly recommend it.
I think it's an accurate period piece for the first half and then
it transitions to a horror film and each on its own does amazing
Creative choices, by Koogler, one of my new favorite directors.
I mean, he only has a handful of movies, but I'm excited to see what he comes out
with next, just his creative choices throughout the filmmaking
process was end attention to detail was super good.
The makeup in in this film was amazing.
I
I want to point that out as well.
Even down to the eyes, you know how their eyes are glowing.
It's not a camera trick.
Like they utilize contacts that were like
reflective, like animal eyes for him to get that effect.
So I mean, just to detail that Mike Fontaine was the
makeup artist for the Special effects makeup, and he did phenomenal.
I'm wondering what other movies he worked on, but I had to look it up just because it looked so real to me.
And
yeah, overall, great movie.
You can find me on underscore everywhere.
Everywhere, underscore Donnie Appleseed, mainly on Facebook and Instagram.
But yeah, that's it for me.
You're really bringing in with all the technical details.
I love it.
Thank you so much for yeah, yeah, I have no idea about most
of the stuff you talked about tonight, so it's great to learn that.
So
no, that's awesome.
But, uh, yeah, so thank you, Donnie, for that.
I appreciate it as always.
Uh, um, Alex, final thoughts and where can people find you?
I, I really loved this movie.
It was a, was really well made.
I love a lot of the camera work, the shots
the long, what do they call it, the steady cam shots where they're
following the characters around from like the shop to shop.
I thought that was really cool.
The scenes where they were driving in the cotton fields, those
look stunning, you know, like the way that they were
it just made that
it almost kind of highlighted that period of time.
Like something that I wanted to bring up during the Crow
thing, like one of the things that James R.
O'barr did in the comic book was
like thematically, it
was a dark dark comic book, but it was also a
dark, it was also, it was thematically it was a dark movie, but it was also a
dark comic book, but the darkness highlighted, like, give you awareness of the light
you know?
And so in the, in the corral, there was
like these massive panels where it'd be
like light and then like just a tiny bit of darkness and the same thing would be happen.
Like you'd see like Eric Dven like carrying in
like a cor and just the background is black.
Same thing with like this film
You see like, those, those
shots of them driving through the cotton fields.
It was this bright white.
Like it was like this kind of beautiful, like,
blue tinted white that
they were driving past, like these fields of like beautiful cotton.
And it kind of highlighted like the
light, but then it kind of almost foreshadowed darkness.
the oncoming darkness.
The same thing with like the, just the symbolism too,
like where the foreshadowing of like bad
things to come when like they're
pulling open the back of that truck with a tarp
and then there's a rattlesnake there, right?
And then it like, like Sammy is surprised by it.
And it's kind of foreshadow like what's going on.
Like they're all taken by surprise with this whole, like attack by, like vampires.
And if you think about it, like, there's like heavy association with
serpents and vampires and the devil and all that sort of stuff.
So like it kind of foreshadows of like what's to come.
And then also kind of like, you know,
I think it's smoke that kills the snake, right?
And
I don't remember.
I can't remember.
I remember.
Like one of them has the knife, but then he it
to tap, passes it the other one and then he kills the snake.
And I think it's like kind of like, it's
kind of foreshadowing who kills like, you know,
like the devil, whoever it
is, it's like the vampire, the lead vampire, or it's the clansman.
You know, I like that's, that's kind of like a
lot of, there's a lot of foreshadowing in this film.
And
yeah, I felt like the,
the history that was put into it and the
kind of the, the symbolism between like
when it came to like like the history of slavery
and everything, I thought that was just like one done
really, really well and like just kind of a reminder of like not
to forget what we went through and
you know, what the trials and tribulations that like black people had to go through.
And that this is never like,
if you think about it, vampireires forever, we have to be on watch.
Right.
Be awake, you know, I don't, you know, there's
a, I almost said it.
You know, there's that whole like, yeah.
Are you saying that the amount of vampire movies that come out might be some sort of recession indicator?
Or
ibly.
I mean, I mean,
I would say the amount of loop booboos that are around her.
No.
Agree, agree.
Let me tell you something.
Let me tell you something really quick.
If you're under the age of 30, you won't remember that the early 90s,
there was a bit of a recession who was president during that time, George H.
W.
Bush.
When I graduated college, there was a recession who was president during that time
George W.
Bush.
And right now, we're in a bit of a recession.
Who's president right now?
Let's not say his name.
Let's not say his name.
But you know what I'm talking.
Daddy.
George F. Bush.
V.
Editit point.
Edit point for sure.
Edit point.
No, that one's going all over social media.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Sorry, Alex, I didn't mean it to decide..
But anyways, for me, it's a four and a half
out of five.
And you can find me at Daily Dares and all the socials.
Hey, real quick, Alex mentioned the long track shots.
Like, he did that in another movie too, like in Creed, right?
That scene where he's walking into the ring.
It must be like a signature thing for him, but like, you're starting to pick up on it, right?
It's like, he likes to do those long, long
long.
He's good at it.
Long track.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm a sucker for a good long tracking shot.
Yeah. 1917 did that.
Arnold.
Yes.
Last but not least, my favorite part of the show.
When you're not here, I'm sad, but now you're here tonight.
So my favorite part of the show.
First, give us your review and then we'll go into
your sleep meter score.
Go. Yeah.
We talked a lot about a lot of naughty stuff.
I want to mention the part, the verse that
the preacher daddy made him recite.
It was 1 Corinthians 10 and 13.
I think, oh yeah, God is faithful and will
not allow you to face temptation so severe that you you cannot endure it.
So I think kind of different words, but
I mean, in my own life, you in previous
podcasts, previous shows, you heard of our upbringing.
But that personally is also one of my favorite verses
because, you know, when times when you feel like down or like
you feel like it's too much.
you know, God won't give you more than you can bear.
But that was a followow part to
kind of hold it up a little bit, you know?
But I really did enjoy the movie.
I went into it.
I didn't know, it was about vampires.
Very, very entertaining.
I loved it a lot.
I watched it again.
And my wife, she
when I told her I was going to be watching that, she was like, oh, scary movie.
No, never mind.
But then she kind of like started watching.
She's like, oh, that wasn't really scary at all.
And so, um,
so if people out there who don't let horror
movies, uh, it's a vampire movie, but really not scary scarier.
It's just really good action.
Sometimes a real horror is up here in your brain.
Sometimes the real horror...
Never mind.
But I would say I give this a good
4.20 if
I could do that on Letterbox..
But, but I'd uh I give it a four and a half.
Literally smoking I thinking.
No, smoke, because of smoke and stack.
That's what he was talking about.
Yeah, yeah.
The two are really cool names.
The twins, Smoke and Stack. uh, we need one.
Yeah, yeah.
I really enjoyed this.
I don't know what else to say.
Well, I think you know what to say next, Arnold.
Let's get the Arnold snooze a meter.
All right, go ahead.
I do the wedding theme there?
Yeah, we're going to get married, bro.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, yeah.
No, but Arnold, the s meter score, tell us.
Oh, I think I mentioned a little bit.
where I was watching it last night.
I started to get a little too relaxed.
But then the part that got me up and
like hyped up was the erotic high point.
I mean, emotional high point for me, which was like the music part, you know, with
bringing all the different,
you know, from, you know, blues to
DJs to break dancingancing and all that.
I thought that was just so cool.
And
yeah, yeah, that got me up.
And and so, I did I
did not need to partake of any of this.
You know, if you're ever feeling tired,
for segmatic.
Focus.
Which they've also got it's
a four Sigmatic organic with lion's mane and chaga mushrooms.
We've got.
The Sigma?
What the stigma?
This here is a box of
instant instant coffee.
And shout out to them for hooking it up. boxes.
We got here at the, you know, they got.
Do you have a sponsorship by Ground coffee.
I thought it's blurry.
Oh, it was a little blurred up there.
It's okay, Andy.
It's okay.
But they're both, They're both with lions main
you know, helps with the focus and with the, you know, coffee, caffeine.
It just gives you, gives you that boost.
I didn't need any of that for this movie.
But I'm going to drink this in the morning
to start my day.
How many grams of caffeine is it?
Like six, 70 grams of caffeine?
Six.
Oh, 69 grams. 69 grams.
Look at that.
Look at that.
My favorite number.
Yeah.
Hey, our real quick, Arnold Steinfeld.
Tot babe, right, Arnold?
Dude.
Haley Steinfeld.
Haley Seinfeld.
The girl, the only white girl in the movie.
Well, she is an eighth black, which I thought was a really cool aspect.
Oh, I don't know that.
Is she beg Det details of casting.
Like, that's amazing, right?
I know.
So good.
Arnold, what was your.
Did you give an actual number for your seat?
Oh, for Z?
Zero Z's.
Zero Z's, yeah.
So, yeah.
Very good.
Nice.
Where can people find you?
Real quick.
Arnold.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
Oh, finish up.
Oh, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Arno.
Now you going to ask me where to find me, Donald?
Yeah, you can find me.
Where do we find you?
till I go everywhere?
No, I was just going to say Arnold
mentioned something that I forgot to talk about or it kind of triggered me.
Um, Please.
Where he was reading the Sermon with the Temptation about Temptation, right?
Like, um, it's like a reoccurring theme in a movie, like cultural perspective, like utilizing
the name of God to manipulate your headspace.
Like, you know, the priest is talking
about how blues is the devil's music, but I
think what he's really trying to say is like, it's not, it's
not the music itself, but it's like where it's played and what's associated with the music, right?
Because
in church, they sing as well.
Like, I don't know.
I just, I just found it really interesting.
I think it's just like his perspective, perspective on it and
it really, he's just trying to tell him, like, don't do that type of music,
do this type of music, but really, he had nothing against blues.
It's just like what was associated with it, right?
More about that.
Did you guys Did you guys get that?
Yeah.
I don't know how how I feel.
It made me think of something that I was thinking about like earlier in the day.
Because a lot of times to me, you know, music is
like, it can be very, even spiritual.
I mean, you sing at church or you sing at, you know,
in the car, singing during making love
In the shower or whatever.
And then it could just open
you up to whatever moods, whatever
vibes, you know, you can open. big move.
What music do you put on?
When I what?
When you make the big move, what music do you put on?
When I make the the big move?
Big move.
You make the big move with the wife.
What music do you put on?
Pretend you're smoke and or your stack and you're teaching us.
Yeah.
We are Sammy.
Teach us your ways
It really, it depends on the vibe.
Oh, okay.
So if I'm feeling, you know, very, very
RB type,
very, you know, romantic, maybe a little bit of boys to Men or something.
Oh.
If I'm feeling a little classy,
maybe a little bit of an Andrea B Bocelli,
but also to make them laugh because
I'll do the opera voice.
For the big Oh.
If I'm wanting
to be a little bit more like romantic, but more like
protective, maybe he'll be a little bit of like 50 cent or something.
You know, get Richard Dietrian with a bulletroof fest.
So, yeah, you know, it kind of depends.
Okay.
I thought you were going to say maybe AMC Hammer or something like that, but Oh, all those were dropping the hammer.
Or if there's some tequila involved, maybe a little bit of like,
I don't know, like Grupo climax or Bad Bunny or something
Spicy.
Groupo Climax.
You You know, you all., Yatus, Yatus.
Mex.
I read a copyright.
Strike, so stop.
Okay.
Yeah.
Adrian, how about you?
B double OTZ too big.
All right.
No, well, thank you for that, Arnold.
I appreciate that.
And, yeah, I'll just read my letterbox review,
as well as the same script I used for
our quickie review, which we'll have to reshare.
But essentially I said, you know, I had some mixed feelings, but
it's a solid movie set in the Jim Crow South.
His prio drama has great vibes.
It's very well done.
The music was fire.
There's this one magical scene showing hot black music of all
the time, and it totally stole the show.
Michael B. Jordan plays Twin Brothers, and of course, he brings the effortless cool.
The whole vampire metaphor, self-suckers,
of black culture, was super smart and making the main vampires
Irish was a really interesting touch, considering their own history of discrimination.
I do wish that we had gotten more time with the twins'
characters, and the story takes a little time to really kick in.
It's a bit long and has like one too many endings.
But even with that, sinner swings big
and I respect that.
Overall, stylish, thought-provoking, and worth checking out.
So this gets a strong three and a half stars
out of five on Letterbox..
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