In this episode of Never Seen It, we finally watch Tombstone and dive into the grit, guns, and glory of this cult Western classic. We also pay tribute to the late Val Kilmer and his legendary turn as Doc Holliday—because yes, he was our huckleberry. Stream now wherever you get your podcasts.
In this episode of Never Seen It, we ride into the dusty town of Tombstone—the 1993 cult classic Western that helped redefine the genre for a new generation. With a loaded cast featuring Kurt Russell, Sam Elliott, Bill Paxton, and the late, great Val Kilmer as the unforgettable Doc Holliday, we take a deep dive into what makes this film a fan favorite and how it’s aged over the past three decades.
As we discuss the film's epic shootouts, memorable one-liners, and dramatic tension, we also take a moment to reflect on the recent passing of Val Kilmer. His performance as the sickly but sharp-tongued Doc Holliday remains one of his most iconic roles—delivering one of cinema’s most quoted lines: “I’ll be your huckleberry.” From his sly delivery to his complex portrayal of friendship and mortality, Kilmer’s presence in Tombstone elevated the film into legendary status.
Whether you're a longtime fan of Westerns or someone who, like one of us, had never seen Tombstone until now, this episode is for you. We talk about Wyatt Earp’s mythos, the film’s production history, and how Tombstone stacks up against other Western classics. Plus, we unpack the lasting cultural impact of the film and why Val Kilmer’s performance continues to resonate with audiences.
Don’t miss this tribute to both a classic film and a truly one-of-a-kind actor. Stream now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen—and be sure to follow us @NeverSeenItPod for more episodes, film discussions, and behind-the-scenes content.
I'll be your hooker B, Arnold.
Welcome to the Okay Corral.
No.
Welcome to the Never Seen It Podcast Any podcast called The Never Seen It
Podcast that is worth listening to.
I am Adrian Del Tor, a.ka Boots Too Big on
the internet With me, as always, is Mr. Donnie Apples.
Okay.
Donnie Guzman,, Mr. Arnold Kleo, a.k
Arnie Calo, aka. the Arnie, the One Man Party.
And of course, Mr. Alex Kleo, aka.
Daily Dares, aka.
Filipino Grigio.
Only the Calagos tonight.
No Justin tonight.
He's in Vancouver
smoking some weed.
I don't know what he's doing.
No, I don't know.
I hope he doesn't get mad that I say that.
Do you think you get mad that I say that?
We just did a 420 episode.
I don't think he'll mind that I suggest that he smokes.
We.
No, but I don't think yet she does.
He actually mentioned that during that episode
that whenever he watches Up in Smoke, that he
always sparks one out.
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah.
This girl I knew went to Humblet, and I went
to visit her one time and every five minutes, somebody was like, you want to smoke a bowl?
You want to smoke a bowl?
And you want to smoke a bowl?
Let's go to smoke a bowl.
Every five minutes.
All That's all they did up there to smoke bowls.
Up in the emerald Triangle.
Oh, yeah.
You see Arnold.
That's what the good stuff is.
Arnold.
It's on your way to Gilroy.
Yes.
You can.
You can get hungry over there and then
you can start marinating up in Gilroy.
You'll get the munchie.
Is that like garlic?
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. garlic.
Get the munchies and you'll be protected from vampires.
Bambo?
Bambito.
No, like, no stoner vampires around you.
No stoner left unturned, right?
Not on this show.
Anyway.
What are we talking about tonight, Bills?
We're talking about Tombstone, the 1993 Western
starring Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Rip, Rippin Peace.
Obviously, we, we lost a good one, uh, fellas.
RIP.
Which, you know, it's's crazy because like, uh,
Val Kilmer was the Batman I knew pretty well growing up
And like, I
don't know, like Michael Ke Keaton was goaded.
Don't get me wrong, but like George Clooney, as good as
an actor as he is, he wasn't meant for Batman.
But Val Kilmer..
He was the worst one.
He really brought something to the table, I feel,
that no other actors before since have done.
He had like a weird, like,
not weird, but he had like an interesting vulnerability to his Bruce Wayne slash Batman in that movie.
But yeah, so Val Kilmer Rippin Peace.
That's actually what sparked wanting to Tombstone.
Starring Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Sam Ell, Elliot, Bill
Paxton, another great, another late great actor that we lost.
Powers Booth.
mean, how do you not watch a movie with a guy named Powers Booth, man?
That's a great movie.
Michael Bain from The Terminator franchise.
This movie is just like.
Bruce Malone.
Yeah, Charlton Heston?
My goodness.
You know, like, it's crazy.
Even Thomas.
I thought that was him.
That's him at the end, right?
I believe, yeah, I believe.
The owner of that ranch where they stay at for a little bit to escape from.
Yeah.
Isn't that him?
I think that was him.
I'm like kind of blanking on it now, but yeah, that was.
That was.
Billy Bob?
Billy Bob's in there?
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Billy Bob..
Billy Bob Thoran?
ways.
Really?
He has such has such a distinct voice, Billy Bob Thornton.
He has like that Southern twinang.
Like, he does.
Yeah.
It's a southern twang, but it's a tone, a specific tone that he has to it.
You know, it's like, if I heard him in a room, like, in
a crowded room and I didn't see his face, I was like, oh, it's Billy Bob Forton here.
I think what's cool is that
he's one of the few actors like from the South that like
isn't afraid to just like use his natural accent, you know?
Yeah.
But yeah, Billy Bob Thorne's also kind of a
interesting character.
We'll just leave it at that.
But yeah, I mean, this movie, Billy Zane, like,
my goodness, like there's so many good, even, even Thomas
from Sideways and from fucking
the Jungle movie with Brendan Frazier.
Fuck.
George Lano sideways.
And yeah.
Not a lot of a lot of like big name female stars in this film.
I noticed that.
I thought that was kind of interesting.
Well, I feel like..
Got dated the lady.
I think we talked about it, though,
where like, you know, a lot of a lot of women back in
that era kind of like they had their time
and they kind of fell off, right?
We were talking about in the general chat about Michelle Tracttenberg, right?
Oh, yeah.
She had her moment.
And unfortunately, because of the nature of Hollywood and like,
you know, they younger girls
they, once they age out, it's like, they're gone.
Like, so that girl, that redhead, um, that
love interest, Dana Delaney.
I remember hearing her name in that era, like,
oh, Dana Delaney, Dana and Delaney.
She's like,
kind of was supposed to be a big name.
And after that, I kind of didn't see much from her.
Yeah, it's funny.
Yeah.
And I can't do this justice, but I was watching a comedy video
today, actually, where this guy was, or this girl comeding, and I wish I could remember her name.
It's like very sexist I mean that I don't know her name.
But I will I'll tell you the idea of the joke, the premise
is that sports male sports sports athletes
are like the equivalent of female actresses.
You know, by the time they hit 30, they're pretty much out they're old and outdated
And the fans are now looking at younger, up and coming athletes instead or all that.
You know, I I can't do it justice, but I thought that was an interesting analogy
for like how male athletes are the equivalent of female actresses.
And there is truth to that, right?
Like once you age out of sports, I mean, you're
I guess you kind of go into legendary status at that point.
But, you know, I feel like we're
still talking about Jordan to this day, you know?
And I'm not even a basketball fan, and I know that.
Sorry, go ahead, Alex.
I kind of feel like it's that that kind of culture is starting to shift, though.
If you think about it, like, there's a lot more
older actors and actorsresses.
And even like in sports today, like people who are playing sports into their 40s, right?
And they're still like doing like pretty, pretty well.
Like look at LeBron James.
He's like, he's around on the same age as me.
And then, like, even in pro wrestling, there's
like, there's a guy who's like this like kind of legend
legendary guy, Sting.
He, like just recently retired and
he wrestled into his 60s.
You know?
And he was doing good.
It was like, it was pretty wild.
And then now you look at like people, like, I don't want to say like, um,
you know, they're like old lot older,
but they definitely like have passed that kind of aging out age.
Like look at Elizabeth Holton Olson.
She's in her late 30s.
I think she's in her 40s even, right?
Yeah.
And I think Scar Joe is pushing 50 at this point.
She's still getting
She's like in her 40s For real??
Well, no, she's not in her 50s.
I think she's in her like, mid to late 40s.
Yeah.
No, no, She's younger than me, so I know she's like..
Oh, okay.
Well.
Like in her early 40s with still, like, at Hey, Diane
Lane was still getting roles into her 50s.
Dion Lane's a beaut, you know?
Why did I say that?
I'm like a 1950s prospector or something.
She's a beaut, I tell you?
No, I don't know.
We're going to come I saw Scarlet is going to.
Scarlet's going to be in the New Jurassic Park.
I just saw.
I saw, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, she's living heavily on. on that, that that tanner,
that tan, that spray on 10 or whatever it is.
I don't trust those movies anymore.
I'm just salty about
the last trilogy.
Chris Prattfall, because that's what he is.
He's a Pratf.
He's a guy that stumbled into fame because he was like the cool chill
guy on the Hawaiian beach fucking smoking weed and playing guitar.
But anyway, let's not get into all that.
We're talking about tombstone, damn it.
Directed by George B. Cosmos,
Legendary marshal, Wyatt Earp.
Now a weary gunfighter, joins his brothers, Morgan and Virgil.
God, those are cool names to pursue their collective
fortune in the thriving mining town of Tombstone
Butarp is forced to a badge again and get
help from his notorious pal Doc Holiday when
a gang of renegade brigands and rustlers begins terrorizing the town.
These guys ooze cool.
I mean, on just the picture of them alone, the black suits and the hat, like,
fuck, they just ooze so much cool.
I would never be as like one third as cool as these guys.
Like,
You know what I'm saying?
man, they're they' the wardrobe, I hope the wardrobe
person got an Oscar for this fucking movie because the costumins are just badass.
Yeah, the costumes are.
The one that you're talking about in particular with with the taller hat and the log coats.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
God, they're just, yeah.
So much charisma packed into one movie.
I definitely like how
Val Kilmer looked his was like super
like if I was going to be in a Western, I'd want to look like Val Kilmer.
Yeah.
Did you know Doc Holiday was supposed to
be played by William Dafoe, but then they changed their minds.
Really?
Williamem Dafoe's?
That's part.
Yeah, like young William Dafoe..
Really a young Willem Dafoe.
I think he was involved in another movie that was his third controversial at the time.
I could see him in this movie.
No, I don't know if that I don't
know it' Doc Holliday, but as a character in, I could see, I mean, this
movie has everybody, so what's one more famous actor
that's just been killing it since, you know, they started?
But that's so interesting, though.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't see him as a Dog Holiday, but I could, yeah, he easily see it.
I feel like if Dog Holiday is just one of those characters, it's just so iconic
and so, you know, Val
Kilmer is is just known for that part, you know, so much.
Yeah, we chose this movie, I mean, it was on somebody's
list, right?
It was just It was Justin, right?
Who chose this movie?
And he's not here.
Yeah, yeah.
I love it.
I mean,
we pushed us up, you know, with,
because of the passing of Val Kilmer.
And there were so many people when he
passed that they were talking about like, okay, okay, when I,
when you think of Val, there, you know, some people are like, oh, it's Batman
and, you know, different characters in different movies.
But one of my friends he
said, and he posted about it for him, he said that when, when he thinks of
Al Kilmer, he thinks of Doc Holiday, it's Doc Holiday for him.
And I had never seen the movie still up until
oh,, you're probably going to ask that question.
Who here hasn't seen it?
For me.
I don't know.
Have any of you'all seen it before?
I've never seen it, actually.
Oh, yes.
I watched it.
The first time I watched it was in college.
because my buddy, uh, he had, so
he was in the Navy, in the Navy, he he carried around like this big thing
of DVDs in the, you know, slip cases or whatever.
So we were going through his, his case one time, like, what's this movie?
He's like, oh, that's Tombstone.
Let's watch it.
That's a good, it's like the only Western that I like.
That's a gross.
And I was like, yeah, fuck it.
It doesn't watch it.
So,
um, but yeah, honestly, you, so you, you haven't seen it.
So, so I mean, do you, and I know for me,
I don't, I don't normally watch Westerns, but what about you?
Like, not really, yeah, not really here a couple of.
Um How did this, how did this seem to you, like,
even though it's a Western and it's a genre and you don't really watch that often?
How did it, how was your viewing experience, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
Yeah.
Well, I have't really watched too many Westerns,
and it's just something that doesn't really appeal to me.
I don't know.
When I think Western I also think of like country music and I'm not really into country music
I I don't know if there's any correlation, but there might be.
I don't like country music.
I like Johnny Cash.
Does he count his country?
He's more like folk, I guess.
Yeah, he does.
He.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
They all got that too. twang.
And it's something about that Western, that country twang that I don't know.
Yeah.
But they did this in a very appealing and pretty cool way.
And apparently, so was this,
was it based on a true story?
I mean, Wy Ep was, I mean, all
the characters, are they all real?
Loosely.
Loosely based.
Well, yeah Yeah, they exaggerated some parts, obviously, but Exactly.
It was loosely.
But the part at the end, how they talked about
how him passing in 1929 in LA.
Is that all true?
I didn't fact check it or anything.
I didn't do any of that research, so we'll have our research department look into it.
I know they did a lot of research
to keep it accurate, like as accurate as possible, but I didn't do any research, like fact- checkinging on it either.
According to what I found on the internet,
real the main characters wide Ep, Doc Holliday, Virgil,
and Morgan Earp, and Johnny Ringo and Curly Bill were all real historical figures.
But
and the fight at the UK Corral, I mean, that's
a famous, that's leg legend, you know what I mean?
So it's like loosely based on people, real people in real life events.
But you know, Hollywood's always going to take a lot of artistic liberties, if you will.
So, yeah, I think that makes it more cool, the fact that it is based on
real people and real events, from the Old West.
But go on, Arnold.
Sorry, you were talking about.
Oh, oh.
Oh, yeah, no worries.
Yeah, I thought that was, it was, um, I mean, Kurt
Russell, he just, it was a badass.
Like he, uh Oh, yeah.
I love Kurt Rosie like.
I'm glad he's still in former
He was like a former sheriff or something?
Yeah.
Wait, in real life or something?
No, um,
in Kansas or something like where where he came from.
Right.
Uh, and, um, but it seemed like, you know, you just wanted to
live a little bit more of a chill life and kind of just,
but then they had this, uh, what, like an old
gold, not a gold rush, but silver rush.
They were trying to
get rich, uh mining
silver or something, get rich or not..
It did have a little bit of that flavor.
Yeah.
You know, I mean,
if they remade this today, it would have like a hip-hop soundtrack.
I got, I bet.
seen the soundtrack.
It's always funny when periods modern.
Yeah, Oh, no.
Yeah, to the.
I don't rather have hit Post Malone.
I'd rather have Post.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I like Post Malone.
I like him.
Hasn't he hasn't he made the crossover into country now?
Is that what I'm hearing?
I don't follow him at all.
I thought you're supposed to start
in country and then cros over to pop, like general pop culture or whatever.
Uh
I have like, I have some issues with that.
Well, because Taylor Swift was a pop country
singer when she started, and then then she became just general mainstream pop.
Yeah.
Well, you know, that's the way.
What's up?
I mean, that's kind of like the thing right now.
Like countries like popular again.
I mean.
Yeah, I don't know it.
But Like, I think they got to sometimes these artists.
Oh, go ahead.
Oh, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say, I think a lot of these times you see these artists
kind of like transition to something new to stay right relevant and to stay, you know, popular.
Like, I mean, Gwen Stefani is a great example of that, right?
Not that I like.
I like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I mean, yeah, because once you hit a certain level
of fame, your entire life is career is
managed by a lot of PR people and
and your managers and all that that like basically
you know, guide you into another, like you said, another path to stay relevant or whatever.
But I feel like you look at
some like, like, what's, what's her name?
Dolly Parton.
She's like always done country, right?
It's like her thing
And then they, they wanted to induct her into the rock and roll Hall of fame.
She's like, no, I don't want to be inducted into
the rock and roll Hall of Fame until I do a rock album.
And she did she produced a rock album
and now they're going to induct her to the rock and Roll Hall of
Fame because she's like, you know, and I think that makes a lot of
sense because like she's like, she, she wants to stay true to like
who she is like, and, you'd
be authentic as possible and she's always wanted to do a rock album.
She just never did it
And it didn't make sense to do to be inducted into rock and roll Hall of Fame.
Now there is somebody who I could have seen in this movie easily,
with her accent, her general demeanor.
I could have totally seen a doll.
I'm surprised she never
kind of got more intoacting because I feel like she could have been a big star.
You know?
She could have done what Madonna never could do and breaking into movies.
But yeah, so, Donnie,
sorry, did you say you've seen this movie or no?
Yeah, I've seen it.
It has been a long time, so it was like, I completely forgot.
I knew I liked it, but I didn't, it was like, I didn't remember much of it.
Who's Who's your favorite actor?
in this movie?
Because I feel like we all have our favorite actors in this movie besides Val Kilmer.
I mean, I just love Val Kilmer's character.
It is so badass.
Yeah, that would be my favorite.
The guy that played, uh, what's the guy's name again?
Yeah.
Virgil?
I can't remember.
Yeah, Val Kimmer.
Valalmer..
Yeah.
I just want to say Virgil.
Virgil.
Yeah, that's cool name..
Yeah.
Kurt Russell, I feel like he needs to do more movies.
Well, he's kind of getting old.
I get it.
Well, you know, he did Painful A. I thought Hate Fight was a good movie.
I feel like a lot of people had a problem with Hateful Eight, even though
like it's a Tarantino movie and stuff.
I feel like a lot of people had a problem with that movie.
I actually really liked it.
I thought it was really.
I never seen that.
One of my other favorite Westerns is Hatul.
Maybe we should do that movie someday.
Wasn't Hatefulight like a take on Seven?
No, I'm thinking Magnificent Seven or the 7 Seven Samurai?
No, I feel like it was a take on some
other Japanese movie that Tarantino.
Yeah, I feel like there's like another.
Yeah.
You know what?
I just thought about right now.
Did you, Alex, for those of us who
watch a lot of Kung Fu movies, did you get,
like on a lot of kung Fu movies, do you feel like
they got some, a lot of influence from
Westerns, just like by the music?
And you had like this, this
you know, uh, good guys, good cops
versus bad, bad guys.
And you know, they're like making
their way and they're going to..
Making their way downtown..
Oh, yeah, no.
Yeah.
They're going to beat them all up.
They're going to kill them all.
No, no, that was actually something I was going to bring up.
It's like, Western Westerns and
kung Fu films that have like a huge connection, literally.
I mean, there's
a lot of Kung Fu films that reference,
like even actual historical stuff that's going on in
the U.S during that time where they're building like the
like the railroads and stuff like that.
Even that new show, it's not new, but it's like
that guy, the show Warrior produced
by Shannon Shannon Lee, Bruce
Lee's daughter, where it's like, it takes place in
that time, that time period where Chinese are being
brought to America to build the railroads and things like that.
But then there's also like, you know, there's like, there's a lot of cross.
I actually actually saw that found this on on online.
There's like a
cross- cultural influence, like a lot of thematic resonance.
When we were just go ahead and read the note.
Despite their distinct cultural origins,
both genres feature narratives of conflict, justice,
and the outsideider hero navigating a lawless landscape,
often with elements of supernatural or spiritual power
The Western reflecting Americanugged individualism.
That's something I would going to talk about later on, and
the Kung Fu film, often emphasizing Karmni
and social justice both resonate with audiences
seeking stories of living liberation and resistance, particularly
in the context of colonialism and decolonization.
So yeah, that's there's like a
lot of that DNA in the two genres.
And actually full direct influence.
Like if you think about it
Seven Samurai, like I mentioned before, influence
the Magnificent Seven.
and then you also like the, you know, it's it's's There's
a lot of crossover as far as influence and actual direct.
Yeah..
And it's funny because..
Kung Fu, it's like, I was going to say, real quick, kung Fu movies
are just are like the Asian Westerns.
I feel like it's actually.
Yeah, yeah, basically.
A good way to put it.
And Tarantino.
Yeah.
Or Westtern's of American kungu.
Let's put it that way.
Yeah, even better.
Samurai came before Cowboys, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, Tarantino is very heavily influenced by both
Kung Fu and Westerns.
So And you can see the DNA of that and a lot of them, especially,
obviously, Hateeful Eight, which if you haven't seen it, I do recommend it.
It's a good movie.
It's a little..
It' whatever is more slower, slower burn movies, but it's good, though.
I really like it.
You also see a little bit of in Jangle.
Jango, yeah, Jangle and Chain, yeah, yeah.
But I was just reading a very, this
is a cool fact that I can very much relate to is
that they were they wore actual wool costumes
when they were shooting the movie in accordance with the time period.
And I guess the scene in the Birdcage Theater
a thermometer on set at one point read 100. 134 degrees there.
Yeah, I saw that.
I heard about that.
That's insane.'d I'd
be mad and killing people two left and right if I was in a wool, you know, jacket in Arizona
and 100 plus degree weather.
Like, that's crazy to me about. 134 degrees?
34 degrees.
You could tell that like he is it
worked because look at Val Commer in his scenes.
He's just sweating like.
He's just sweating like.
That was the sickness, though.
What was that?
Tuberculosis.
Tuberculosis, yeah.
But, you know, it weren't.
Yeah, it obviously helped the effect, right?
I mean, it is crazy..
It is crazy when you see old tiny pictures from the Old West and people are dressed in full-on suits and shit.
Like, aren't you fucking hot, bro?
Like, it's the desert.
Like, why, why would anyone wear anything like
that many layers of cl then I remember, oh,
it didn't get as hot back then.
We only know real heat now because of global, you know, climate change.
But still, even then, you know, I'm sure it got hot enough.
No, it's relative, right?
It's exactly.
It's all relative.
It's all relative.
But yeah, so many.
Was there extra layers
to sort of act like a
bulletproof vest, perhaps?
No, no.
I'm pretty sure a bullet can pierce through wool.
What do you think about it, though, too?
Like a lot of a lot of people, like they wear
like even gardeners, like people who they
wear long sleeves even in the summer to cometon.
You got to wear breathable fabrics in the summer.
Yeah, they were definitely weren't wearing wool.
Yeah.
As a very pasty fellow, I know I've learned a hard way
that in the summer, if you're going to be outside a lot, which I never had, but on
the case that I am, you got to wear a long
sleeves and breathable fabrics, you don't burn, turn into a tomato.
Yeah.
Like I I did many a times as a child growing up in the flipping desert.
I think the bullets back then, I remember this from one of my teachers.
You said that like the guns, when they would shoot the bullets, like say say this is a bullet
they would spin more like this.
And so, and so then when they hit you, it
just kind of like, where like nowadays the bullets,
they'll fly like like this.
Because the barrel's rifled.
And that that causes the bullet to..
That's interesting.
Yeah.
Barrel's riffled.
I never heard that.
I never heard that.
That makes a lot of sense.
Arnold, you bring all the fun facts to this...
Well, I was looking for a more interesting item
to use instead of of a water bottle, but I didn't have it nearby.
You can find
Yeah.
No.
Wait, what do you.
How I have one?
What are you talking about?
Why would I have one of those?
I don't know.
Are you telling me why you have one.
Arnold, you're going to tell you why.
You're a cheeky fella now.
You know, You know what I know
what I find interesting is, so obviously, Tombstone
is a famous city in the West, and then you have a movie based on that.
And then you have the line of pizza brand, you know, pizza.
tombstone Pizza, right?
That's fine.
I can get down with that.
I can get down with that.
But then you go to the grocery store and you're browsing through the ice cream aile.
And what do you see Magnum ice cream?
And I'm like, if I'm a company and I'm going to sell a line of
ice cream, I'm not going to call it Magnum because I'm only thinking about the condom line in my head
You know, so this isn't as egregious as that, but you
understand what I'm saying, like, you know, a famous word that's
one product and then another, like, no, like, those two don't even go ahead.
I could see you eating tombstone pizza
in the Old West, like if some Italian guys came during that time and made pizza.
I'm like, oh, I' caught a tombstone.
But like, why did the ice cream?
Where does that come from?
Anyway.
I just started making.
Why did they call that brand?
Is a pizza.
I don't know.
But that's not as bad as Magnum
fucking ice cream, you know, because you only think about the condoms.
Maybe a Magnum PI.
The old TV show.
Where's your brain?
Magnum opus?
I guess there's a lot of magnums out there.
That's a silly tangent to go on.
But you understand what I'm saying.
Alex, so you have you seen this movie?
I didn't catch it if you'd said you'd seen her.
No, no, I've never seen it.
No.
What did you think?
I mean, because you don't watch, like you said, most of us, I don't think watch Western.
So what did you think?
Yeah, so, like, I, I found it very entertaining.
I thought it was really well made.
I think my qual with it is the amount of bullets, you know?
Because obviously, like back in the day, they call them six shooters, right?
A lot of their guns, you know, like the revolvers
They had six bullets in their chambers, right?
So it's like, there's so many scenes where they
just like, they're blasting endlessly without.
They just keep them started blasting.
Yeah. like nous guns.
Like, I don't see them.
Like, how many good guns are they just pulling them out?
more?
You know, it makes sense.
Like, I mean, I've seen like in cop movies where they were able to like,
you know, they would have like a an extra
clip for like those revolvers where
they could just drop the emptyvolver chamber,
then reload it with like a whole cassette.
But like,
even those back in those days, like they didn't have that.
They probably didn't even think to do.
They had the probably the built, but then you didn'd have to take
your time out and it and anything like that.
So it's kind of, that was one of my qualms with like
with any Western film in general
right?
Until until the very end of like a lot of Western
like, I know you got one bullet in your gun.
I could tell.
It's like, really?
After I shot at you like 10 million times, now
you know that I have a bullet, you know, just a single bullet lift in my gun.
And that's, I mean, that's just a very nitpicky thing, right?
That's like kind of, I mean,
my biggest qualm is like the whole like representation
of any like Western film of like the myth of rugged individualism
you know?
The whole idea of like, it's very propaganda-ish to me.
That's how it feels to me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, um,
You know?
like setting forth this idea that if you work
hard enough and you have the, you, enough
will to do to do that, you're going to make it.
And oftentimes you don't you don't see
what actually went on in those that
time and like a lot of the death and like a lot of like the
illness that people went through.
And a lot of people didn't make it, you
know, like the majority of it, like a lot of people died
you know, to get where they are.
And, you know, a lot, a lot of times it was the
people who made it were the most greedy, you know?
I mean, that's still hasn't changed.
They died trying.
They were trying to get rich, but they died trying.
Yeah.
It is interesting how
Hollywood glorifies time
periods throughout history that were like, were, they may have been great for
a small percentage of people, but for the rest for everybody else.
Not so great.
I mean, you know, I mean, look at even
M tombstone, you see like, like the Chinese people who are obviously there.
They even mention it.
They like kind of offhandedly
the deputy County or whatever.
And he's all like, he's all like, yeah,
I'm the leader of this such-and- such group and this such-and- such group.
And then he goes, the anti-Chinese League.
I was like, what?
He said that he he said he's the leader,
the head of the anti-Cinese League.
And I was like, that just kind of just slips out of your mouth like
it's this conversation. like, oh, and I go play tennis on the weekends and I thing
Yeah, it's so funny how, just openly
normal racism was back in those days.
Like there was an anti-Cinese league.
Like, what is wrong with this country?
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like, what was wrong?
I mean, there's still a lot of things wrong with this, but, especially back then.
And Chinese helped build the railroads.
Yeah.
And then once they, and then once they helped
build those railroads, they made it illegal for them to have any businesses.
And here's the funny thing is like, the only
businesses that Chinese were able to own were
like, and it still tracks to this day, restaurants
clean and laundromats and like, like hair salons.
And it tracks because like if you think about it, like it's still like
what a lot of those businesses are today.
But the thing was, they were businesses that back
in those days were seen as feminine businesses, right?
Like only people, only women
cooked.
Only people, only like women like had
salons, only women clean clothes, right?
Yeah.
So that's kind of like the only businesses where they're at.
And they still weren't even allowed to home homes,
which is why another fact is like they actually,
a lot of times those businesses doubled as their homes.
kind of like happened Even when,
like, I mean, in the 80s, we had family.
I remember, like, there
was like, you remember the the original Fan market on Day Palalm?
I do.
I went there like twice with Tim, I remember
It's a circle..
It was on the corner.
It was in that weird corner of.
Next to Denny's Barber.
Well, there's that Shore.
That's the newer one.
Oh, okay, okay.
They used to be closer to like where where, what's that?
you go there now.
It's the Amazon warehouse is?
Amazon, yeah.
Oh, I don't Cboard.
There's an Amazon warehouse in the fucking desert now?
Really?
Yeah, that's funny.
Wow. over there, they had like,
Yeah.
like there's a I think
I at the original Fland market,
they had a space there where somebody would actually live there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I went to Mexico as a kid a lot and I had family down there.
I still have family there.
And you go to like to like the downtown area of any given town or city.
And yeah,, like you said, business on the bottom
and their apartment or their home on the top floor.
That's the way.
And in the U.S., that was actually common as well a lot.
But, you know, obviously we moved away from that. which I don't think is, I don't know.
I feel like maybe it was better back then, but then again, everything nowadays is a chain, right?
So, you know, you don't really see that as often.
But
it is in interesting how that was,
how things used to be, you know, and how, how much we've appropriated
from other cultures and ever given them their due, you know,
like, like, like how much have we appropriated from Chinese culture alone in this country?
You know what I mean?
Japanese culture and Mexican culture and black
culture and so on and so on and so on and so on.
But with everything going on now, yeah, you would you would think that like
you would think that America is this big homogeneous thing.
It's like, no, like it really is a melting pot.
But America's just the culture.
America is just a culture of thievery.
Yeah.
That's what it is.
I look at rock and roll stole
from the blues, which was like created by black people, right?
You know?
Yeah, I mean, didn't Elvis,
didn't Elvis famously borrow a
lot of his dances and moves from watching,
you know, black music artists doing the same thing?
Yeah, Chuck Berry and all that.
He went to church with him.
Did he really?
That's interesting.
I think that, well, I remember watching that
movie, and then I think he
he picked up a lot of the a
lot of the black churches.
Fly should have like a feature where you click
on a song and it gives you like a tree where it was inspired from.
That'd be interesting.
That'd be so cool.
I don't know.
I will get into it.
They're going on a bit of a attention.
But yeah, but you get what I'm saying.
I get what you're saying, Alex.
And yeah, it's very interesting.
Well, and also, it ties back to the movie, right?
Because
the Wild West was wild because people
were killing and fighting nativesative American people, driving
them out of their land and, you know, replacing their
villages and towns with their own villages and towns.
So, you know, it's interesting how
how that's really why it was it was
the Wild West was because we were displacing,
literally displacing the natives in the southwest of the United States.
Basically all colonization right there, right?
Oh, yeah.
Um, um, Manifest Destiny, I believe was the,
the term from, I remember that from elementary school or middle school history class.
Um,
But kids these days we know because we don't have a good public school system anymore.
It's all propaganda now,
guys, propaganda all the way through.
But but yeah, I don't know.
I I thought that was that's an interesting aspect of watching
this movie that I don't really hear people talking about too much
But, but what else?
I mean, I mean, how else do we feel?
How did we feel about Charleston Heston's cameo?
Because Charlon Heston, despite what you may think of him, because,
you know, he was a bit of a problematic actor, he was a great actor, legendary actor, even.
He played Moses.
He played, uh,
Oh, okay.
Wait, who was it?
Ten Commandos was Moses..
And who was it in the other movie?
I can't think of it.
We were just, I mean..
You was in Planet Plin of the Apes, right?
Plan of the the Apes?
Yeah, Dirty Apes.
They're playing the Ten Commandments
the other day on TV, and I look at the
it was from 7 o'clock to 1145.
Man, that's a long movie.
I mean, with commercials and everything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's probably actually a three and a half hour movie.
I remember seeing how many cassettes it took for her
to rent out the Ten Commandments at V Depot.
Man, that'
it was such a, I would never sit through that.
We need to bring back video stores.
We need to bring back D experience of going to a video store
There was the one last block block pastor.
I can't talk tonight, guys.
Why am I doing this?
There was the last blockbuster in like Alaska or something, but it wasn't.
No, it'sregon.
Or something.
Yeah, but it was closed, but somebody bought
it to keep it up as an actual..
No, no, no, no.
No, it's still around.
It It's the only continually operating blockbusters.
But is it owned by B Blockbuster still?
I thought it was Blockp or something.
No.
So Viacom owns Blockbuster, right?
Or whatever company is.
Vacom.
And the person who
owns that final blockbuster, I
think every four or five years has
to renew their license with them, right?
And so at this point now, because
they did that documentary, the Last Blockbuster, did you guys ever watch that?
No, but no, I want to.
No, I've never seen that either.
It's really good.
You could see that document.
It's on I think it's on Netflix
Is that what you're talking about on the chat?
Huh?
You're talking about a Blockbuster.
No, that's something completely different.
That's something completely different.
Oh.
But the last Blockbuster, yeah, it's in Bend, Oregon.
And I also know that
that owner does like pop
blockbusters, but they're not they don't really like rent out movies.
They sell DVDs and they'll
go to like state fairs and just set up like the whole like blockbuster experience
And like you could go through like this like, like
what make you let you feel like how it was to
go into a blockbuster with all the the shelves set up and everything.
Yeah, that's interesting.
It says, yeah, it doesn't.
I'm not clear if it's officially owned by Blockbuster, which
is licensed to this guy that owns it.
But yeah, it is the last remaining Blockbuster store for sure, in Bend, Oregon.
That's cool.
That would be so cool to do
you know, some sort of pop-up like, you know, that sort of theme.
But then, you know, you have that.
I sell some food.
Maybe some, maybe sell some some mushroom coffee.
Yeah, mushroom coffee.
Mushroom coffee.
Yeah, mushroom coffee that I would
market it as this is Us coffee.
Maybe.
Is that the show you were talking about?
Yeah.
I never watched the show.
Do they drink mushroom coffee on the show?
No No, no, but they're like zombies, but you know connected with the
what do you call it?
Are you with The Last of Us?
Yeah, did I see that the last one?
Oh, you said This is Us, which is like.
Oh, my bad.
The Last of Us.
NC drama or something.
Yeah, it's it's a copy.
Last of Us coffee.
Let's not having the word us and it any.
I guess I'm the Filipino Grigio, but this is a
little, Not Pino Grigio.
It's a ser..
Nope, You'll never be the Filipino Gririgio.
Sorry.
Arnold the friend.
What is the same care routine.
I know.
You have like the smoothest skin of everyone, anyone on this show.
Really?
But everyone tell me like, my wife like, man, your hands are so dry.
Even like, you, people at work, they're like, man, put some lotion.
It must be all the olive oil and all the fat that I eat..
You know, it's from the inside out.
Coconut oil.
Coconut, yeah.
All the fat that
you eat has to go somewhere, so it goes into your wrinkles.
Is that what it feel??
Oh, my gosh.
Or out my bum.
Yeah..
But you are a good cook, though.
I mean, for real, for real.
Like, I'm jealous of your cookingills.
I haven't cooked for you, though, yet.
Maybe we will add some sort of pop-up.
Yeah, maybe you.
You've never seen it
pop up.
I never seen it with we Tombstone people have
Tombstone pizzas shaped as tombstones with
wire pictures and stuff and all that, you know.
Huckle Did you guys catch Hkinstone in the movie?
Yeah.
Huckleberryberry Fy, yeah, yeah.
Did you guys see the tombstone in the beginning of the movie and what it said?
No, I missed it.
I remember seeing about what it.
I said remember what it said.
It said, here lies Lester
Moore, four slugs from a 44 No mess.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I thought that was pretty funny because it was Lester Moore.
Yeah.
That's the positive.
What did that say?
What would you guys want to be read on your Tombstone?
Oh, that's a good one.
If it was Valvinus, he already said it.
He said, I came
I conquered, and I came again.
That was Valvinus, the wrestler.
But what would my be?
I think that that should be it right there.
I think you just read it.
Mine would be a four rent side.
A four rent, yeah.
I would I
would put a recipe to my uncle's lasagna.
Oh, nice.
Ooh.
It' actually, I know what's funny?
It's like, I saw somewhere.
I can't.
No, I heard somewhere on like
some podcast I can't remember, but a lot of people, oh, no, yeah, it
was on Good Food, like KCRW is Good Food.
And they were talking about how the guy, um, this couple, they, they found out like
people were actually literally putting recipes
on their tombstones, right?
Not like getting sort of like here.
And so they were going to like find all these tombstones
that had recipes on them and they were making them.
And it's like a lot of times they were like these cherished recipes
from like, like that are passed on from family and they want it to be kind
of like, this is what I was known for.
People like really love this recipe and I want to pass it on.
And it perpetuity, you know what I mean?
It's like, it's, it's set in stone.
Like, it's never going to go away.
Like, maybe
you know?
But that's actually kind of cool, you know?
I just thought of it.
Yeah.
Mine would be a QR code that would
link something that's on the blockchain.
Ooh.
Actually, that would not the last forever.
It should link to your review of the Serbian film, Arnold.
That'd be better.
I would link to like
I have a QR code that linked it to a video of me just kind of like
doing some weird dance or something.
Doing the shovel.
Kind of like trolling people.
Maybe Maybe
doing a booty shake or some twerking.
Yeah.
I like I like to read sometimes like the blurbs on Letterbox for movies.
And I'm only going to read a partial one because
this one's kind of long, but I thought this was good.
It says, if you're a dude
or have ever opposed a supporting the dude's rock movement,
I don't even know what that is. and have not seen this movie or
don't recognize it as an unimpeachable classic, you are no daisy at all.
This movie is peak masculinity.
You may not like it, but it's a fact.
A movie about how much fun it would have been to live in the old West.
Just think about it.
Fucking around with guns all day, smoking opium,
buying laudanum over the counter, drinking 200 proofoof whiskey,
gambling, boring, having derculosis.
You can kill someone for calling you a cheater in a card game
And everyone would just be like, well, it's a private affair that it was a fair fight.
But more than anything else, the best part about being in that era
of American history was all the love between homies.
That's funny.
What?
Yeah, that's I want to be nostalgic
for tubricculosis and whring around.
Anyways.
All right, guys.
Well, I mean, we did discuss
this movie, not super thoroughly as we have with the movies, but I feel like we
got the basic broad strokes.
So if it's all the same to you guys, I think it's about that time.
You just kind of go around
and give our final thoughts.
Don'll start with you tonight.
And where do people finding?
They can find me on Instagram
underscore Dottie Appleseed, all what a word.
The movie was good.
I remember liking it,
and then, you know, revisiting it and watching it again.
I didn't remember most of it.
So it was it was almost like watching a new movie. again.
But yeah, I enjoyed it.
A lot of action, predictable, but a lot of action.
And I thought it was I thought it was entertaining.
But yeah.
So nice.
Nice, nice.
Yeah, I would recommend I would recommend to watch it if you.
Absolutely.
I got excited when I saw that, yeah, this one.
I'm not big on Westerns, but it was definitely entertaining, you know.
I want to suggest Heful Eight for you if you haven't seen it, Donnie.
It's really good.
Oh, yeah, Hef.
Oh, yeah, Heful Eight's good.
I've seen it H.
Never.
Whoever hasn't seen it.
Oh, okay.
How many stars did you did you give it?
Oh, let's see.
I give it three, three out of five.
That's good.
Is that what we do?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I forgot if it was out of five.
I forgot what the rate scale.
Yeah.
And I didn't go to sleep, and I watched it super early because I
had to get up early for work because I was watching it like six in the morning.
And I was it was still still entertaining.
I remember that.
I always feel weird watching movies during the day
because movies, it's my thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One thing that I will say, though, I looked up a, did you guys know what Huckleb means?
Like, you know how I kept saying that or like, I'll be your huckle?
Not really.
I thought I was just a slang turn he made up, maybe.
I was really I was looking it up because I was like, what heck is that mean?
Because he mentions it it twice to Johnny Ringo
And there's like all these like, like
people have all these like, you know, like, oh, I wonder what it is.
Is there a reference to Mark Twain?
That's what a lot of people said, but then they were like, but it doesn't make sense
if it references Mark Twain and I forgot why they said it didn't make sense.
But what they think it's a slang term.
And I guess it means I'm the right one for the job or I'm the right person for the job
And, yes, well, I guess, I guess that's what it means.
That's interesting That's what I think it means.
Oh, yeah, you'rere right.
I mean, hookuper means that, well, Google's saying that I'm the right man for the job.
Okay, Google.
Oh, okay, that's it.
Okay, cool.
But, you know, it's the Google AI search stuff now, so who knows?
Oh, yeah.
So
I found it funny, though, too.
There was some funny lines in that movie, too, he
was like saying, like, you you look like somebody walked all over your grave or something like that.
I like that.
Yeah.
But yeah's it.
Good stuff, Donnie.
Let's go to you next, Arnold.
What are your final's your final review and where can people find you?
I wish I paid like
a lot more attention.
So we were talking about like watching movies.
So wait, for you, do you like watching movies in the evening at night?
Yeah, it just seems like more.
First of all, I'm more of a nighttime person.
It like, it takes me about four hours after I waking up to actually wake up.
And then, like, past 6 p.m., I am so fucking awake, you know, until I'm not
So I don't know why I watch movies to me has always been more of
a nighttime activity for this show, I have watched some
stuff during the day, but it's rare.
But yeah.
I am.
Yeah, I'm just like the the earlier I wake up, I'm more
I have more energy to like.
You're more same person.
No, it's I'm like a video game.
You know, I've got the power all the way up, and then as the day goes on, then it's slowly goes down.
You got to get some power-up bars, man.
You got to eat some power bars.
I don't do that anymore.
Wait.
Oh, I was making a video game. technology.
I wasn't talking about meth Ernold.
That's why I said I don't do that.
I've never done that.
Never.
Just a little weed.
Yeah.
Just a little bit.
Huh?
He rhymes with weed.
The movie.
I was thinking, I think.
I think this is probably, I mean, other than
Kung Fu movies, I think this is the first American
Western that I've ever watched.
There are so many people who were saying like,
gosh, what are some famous Western actors?
Clint Eastwood?
Eastwood..
I've never seen any of Clint Eastwood's movies.
John Wayne.
John was John Wayne John.
See, I I think that's why I didn't really like Westerns because my parents liked that stuff.
So to me, it was always like boring.
You guys show. noon.
High noon.'s another really good Western with, I forget his name, but wait.
The drink?
No, no, no, no.
No.
The movie, Arnold.
Oh.
The movie.
I don't know I know what you're talking about.
Anyway, go on.
Sorry.
So I was thinking, I think this
is the first American Western movie that I've ever seen.
And
Wow.
I mean, I've seen bits and pieces of
others, but, this was the first one that I watched all the way through.
And I thought, I thought it was really good.
I remember seeing Tombstone on the shelves at Video Depot back in the day
and it always been there.
It was like one of the top movies.
And and
a lot of people telling me like, oh yeah, that movie's so good.
And it's one of my favorite movies.
And my friend, my friend Rudy, the one who said that
when he thinks of of Val Kilmer, he thinks of Doc Holiday.
And I see now why, like, man, Doc
Holiday, he was, he was he was a badass in that movie.
And stepping in, like, that part was
like, man, what a homie where, what was he going to take on Ringo?
And then, and then Kurt Russell,
Wyer, he's like, what did he say?
Like, I can't beat him, can I?
And, uh he
was going to go away go, but then Doc Holliday,
even though he was all like, like sick, like he got there before him
and, and finished him off before
Wardr even got there.
And it did the job for him with
whatever energy that he had.
Like, man, that's a true story.
If that was really based on real life events.
If that part was true, like, dang, man.
Well, according to the internet, the gunfight at
OKurral was considered to be pretty accurate, all things considered.
I think they even try to get the same exact guns. or the closest rep.
I could see that.
I could see that.
There's always some gun nerd who's like
Yeah.
you know, you got to have the same guns, man.
You got to have the right guns.
Yeah.
I don't realize it was also like nine siblings.
Sorry Yeah, you're right.
No, I was going to say, in real life, no there was like
nine siblings, but they didn't.
They only focused on the brothers.
Oh.
It be.
It would be hilarious if there was a Western and then they like pulled
out like AK45s.
No.
AK47, you mean?
AK-445.
I don't know.
See, we don't know.
I'm not a gun guy.
We don't know cool shit on this shit.
I'm just kidding.
We doude, but we just don't know that stuff.
We don't know the more immandy stuff.
I mean.
Yeah.
I don't know, sports.
You sports family?
AK 47's, I'm AC69.
You know?
You ever heard that gun?
I think I used that in Call of Duty, yeah.
I think I've only seen that in a porn film.
I usually skip that one.
I just skipped that book.
Arnold, but yeah, but sorry.
Sorry.
What were you saying?
Oh, yeah.
I was just talking about like, you know, some highlights of some of my favorite parts about
what I really liked about the movie.
Overall, I did enjoy the movie and I do have
to admit it was probably because it was uh so late and
I ate ice cream and I'm like borderline diabetic.
Was it it magnum ice cream?
No.
uh, but when we were getting at the store, you didn't have that choice.
I don't like it because it doesn't have nuts.
I like nuts.
You like nuts?
You like nuts in your ice cream.
Arnold Arnold loves loves nuts in his ice cream and nuts in his mouth.
Yeah, I mean He loves a good nut.
Because it's a texture thing.
Like, you know, you have the ice cream and the chocolate and it's just all smooth.
But I like a lot of a little bit nuts.
Unless it's Yeah, unless it's summer and it's not, you know.
I like the.
I don't know where I'm going with that.
Do you ever gargle with nuts?
That's weird.
It's good for your throat, Arnold.
No.
You got to clean out the old pipes.
You know what I mean?
For real?
Yeah, keeps your breath fresh.
You know, you never.
Oh, no.
Maybe almond.
I can see almond.
Yeah.
Use almond as a rinse.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, maybe, maybe almond milk.
Oh, yeah.
We're sorry.
Where were you?
Sorry, a little off track.
A little off.
Just a little bit.
How do we get on nuts?
I don't know.
Oh, well, because I ate ice cream.
And then
then like time, it works like just like clockwork..
Give it 20 minutes and my eyes get a
little heavy and it happened to be like around the last 15 minutes
of the movie that I started to doze off a little bit a little bit.
But you should have drank beer with that
ice cream.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Then he's.
It would have kept the alertting like, oh, I got a big shit.
Oh, yeah.
Give me the bubble guts.
Oh, yeah.
I hate the bubble guts.
Yeah.
Does it's a good thing for mute.
Does wine I give you give you gas?
I don't know.
You answer that Mr. Pino Gurigio.
Oh, Filipino Gurigio.
But,
yeah, so because of the ice cream, cream, I, I did doze off a little bit.
So but I rewatched it the next day.
And I'm glad that I I
rewatched it because I was like, whoa, hey, I didn't know that this was a Christmas movie
You know, there was like a little part that had a little Christmas vibe
with the snow at the end.
And so then it started making me think,
hey, would you guys classify this as a Christmas movie?
I mean, some some people do
Die Hard on.
Yeah, Die Hard on.
But that one is kind of throughout the whole day.
But, hey, at one point, they
really didn't reference Christmas other than the fact that there was a snow.
It could have been
January.
It could have been October.
Yeah, was trees.
Where are they in?
Are they in Argentina?
Southern Hemisphere?
No, they're in Arizona.
They're near Arizona.
Yeah.
Za had to happen. like cold, you know, like around Christmas time.
Does it snow in Arizona?
I mean, in the mountains, maybe, but some parts.
In the mountains, but like it snows in two Tombstone.
It's snow in Tombstone.
Is Tombstone in Arizona?
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's in Ari
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
We really need to do our hallmark before we do.
Ar that doesn't track though because just
recently it snowed in Adrian's area and it's April.
So you can't.
It's going to snow this Friday in my area.
Yeah.
We can't just assume just because it snowed that it's Christmas time.
But then there wasn't global warming back then?
Well,
no.
Not necessarily.
Not as bad as today.
Yeah, but.
Do you know for a fact that just because it wasn't global warming back then?
They're making snowmen in that.
So you can make a snowman whenever there's?
No.
Listen, I feel like we're getting lost in a weed snowman, not because
it's like a snowman.
Not the kind of snowman that has the carrot down below.
It had the carrot right here.
I think you know where you got that from, Arnold.
I thought that I thought that's what you were referring.
That's where your mind goes, Arnold.
No.
Yeah.
Arnold.
I don't think this would be considered a Christmas movie just because there was some.
You're really stretching it, Arnold.
You're really stretching it.
Yeah, he's
I'm going to classify it as a slightly Christmas movie.
That's for you, that's fine.
For you, Go ahead.
Do what you want.
Live your life.
Like Thanksgiving going into Christmas.
Sure..
Live your life, Arld.
Go ahead.
That's fine.
Live your best life.
Half a Z rating
I would also give it a
a three out of a five.
Nice.
Three out of five star rating.
Something that's making me want to give it a three and a half.
Hey, man, it's a free country for now.
I feel like.. your life, Arnold.
Just like you're a snowman with a carrot for a penis.
What?
I like parsnips.
I probably would do,
if I watched it during the day, I
would have given it a three and a half out of five, just because I
would have picked up on more things like the tombstone
reading, you know, what is said in the tombstone,
you know, maybe, you know, I don't know.
I I did remember a lot of the girls' outfits.
Could people find you, Arnold?
Oh, Arnold the socials, right?
There
is my handle at Arnie Colego.
So, yeah, you can find me everywhere on that.
Thanks.
Thank you, Arnold, for letting us
know your thought process.
Thank you.
No.
Well, you're welcome.
It's alwaysuring this process, Arnold.
Yeah.
You're welcome.
All right, Alex.
Let's go to you next lot.
Oh, yeah.
I really enjoyed this show.
Yeah, like I said, I'm not a big Western fan.
I'm not to say that I won't
ever watch Westerns.
It's just like, not what I gravitate to, you know?
I think, I think they all, like, as
much as I said about like the whole like myth of rugged
individualism and all that sort of stuff and all that sort of stuff that I've
kind of have those feelings towards that
those like mixed feelings towards.
Overall, looking at it as
a pure entertainment thing, I think Westerns
are just as valid as like rom-comes and
you know, any sort of like, um, like
film that people might find divisive, you know?
Um,
That being said, I do have some notes.
I kind of found like, or interesting.
Give me one second.
second Sam Elliott looks the same.
Yeah.
He doesn't change.
He doesn't look like any different.
A Stallone looks like a Stallone.
Like, you can pick him out of the crowd.
Like, when I saw that scene with Frank Stallone
on there, I was like, he must be a Stallone.
And I looked up the the the x-ray on
on Prime, how they have like the actors and everything.
I don't know if it appears on like regular TVs, but if you watch
it on a laptop, you can move your mouse and they can see like the actors and everything. like that.
And you could see who's in that scene.
And it was like, oh, that is freaks a little.
I thought that was kind of
You know?
like a funny, like funny moment.
Um,
There's a lot of spitting in this.
There's a lot of people with chewing tobacco, and you can
easily create a drinking game.
Every time somebody spits in in a movie, just take a drink.
Michael Rooker with long
locks, curly locks, looks absolutely weird.
Like, is that a wig or is that really his hair?
You know, like, I thought that was such a weird moment
to see him like, rolling
around on a horse with like long, curly hair.
Is he the main from.
Who is he?
No, he was...
You remember the guy from The Walking Dead?
Merle?
Oh, yeah.
Merle, yeah.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
He was, yeah.
He was in there.
He had the hat that was kind of like off the back of his head, but he had long hair.
And he was like one of the first to kind of like be disapproving of at the very beginning
of like what was going on with the Cowboys.
Yeah.
He was like very disapproving of from the very beginning. which I thought was cool.
Like I've always seen him as this sort of like
bad guy or anti-hero kind of in every single role he's ever done done.
Young Michael Hooker looks like a m rugged heath ledger.
It's kind of crazy.
Yeah, yeah, he does.
And you guys were talking about like
who your like your favorite Val Kil Kilmer film.
Well, mine was True Romance where he plays
the person who looks
like a lot like Elvis Presley.
That was like a bit part.
Yeah, but I thought that was like such a..
He wanted to actually, like Tarantino or like Tony Scott.
I should say, wanted him to have a bigger role, NBC and visually.
Yeah.
But part of it had to do with like the Presley
what do you call that?
The trust or whatever?
Yeah, the Presley estate..
The Pat Presley estate, they didn't want him,
his image to be in the film or to be known as Elvis Presley.
So if you look at like the credits, Val Hilmer's role is like
something else.
And I can't even remember what it it's called, but it's like, but you
could obviously tell it's it's Elvis Presley with the suit and thing.
I forgot about that.
Yeah.
And he's doing the mannerisms and anything like that.
So, yeah, that's my favorite Val Kilver.
I would say I wouldn't call it his like his
film, but my favorite role that he ever did.
Because he's just like..
Mentor.
He was credited as mentor in that movie.
That's so funny.
Yeah, yeah.
He was the mentor.
That's another, hey, we've done an episode on True Romance.
For those of you listening, check it out.
It's a good movie.
We did?
Yeah.
Dude, I totally forgot.
Yeah.
I was like, oh, I got to see that movie.
What was the other Christian Christian Slater,
Christian Slater movie we did on this show?
It was another one.
They go to Vegas.
Very bad things.
That movie, yeah, that was another interesting.
The 90s was peakeak Peak cinema.
P Cinema, man.
Peak cinema.
When did we do that?
That was like in 2021?
That was like the second.
That was like second film.
We did that in like 2019.
Yeah.
That was pretty.
We hadn't done our first episode. because remember,
we did a few then the pandemic hit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that was one of the few.
That was actually the second episode.
Because remember I remember
Yeah.
I remember, I remember Anthony
had, one of his coworkers had lent him the
DVD. and we watched it at his house.
Remember, it was those days where we watched..
watched the movie together because we didn't know the pandemic was going to happen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
That feels like a decade ago, even though it was only like.
Yeah, I know.
Jesus Christ.
It feels like only half a decade ago.
Oh my God, you're right.
You're right.
Damn it, Arnold.
Now you're making me depressed.
No, I'm just kidding.
What half a decade?
It is what it it is.
Anyway, sorry, cool.
Yeah.
But yeah, overall, didn't
need to got a front of tangent with.
It's all we do on this show.
Let's go.ang.
That's true.
Hey, that's okay.
That's how you get good discussion flowing, you know?
Yeah.
You talk about my train of thought.
Yeah.
Well, your a train of thought is more like a a bullet train of thought, you know?
Your goes right.
Your train of thought is like a whino
out of control, trying to find liquor.
It's a rocket powered train of thought.
What are you talking about?
Run a train?
Oh, my.
Alex, keep going.
All right.
Okay.
So
yeah.
Tombstone, I gave it three and a half.
I thought it was like a, it was definitely one of my favorite Westerns.
I haven't, although I haven't't seen a lot of a lot of them.
I think, I'm trying to think of any other Westerns, but they are all like
uh in the
shape of like a kung fu movie, like, uh yeah.
There was like a there's a jetet
Lee series that had like him go to the West.
And then, yeah.
But yeah.
Anyways, three and a half, and you could find me at Daily Dare and all of the socials.
Thank you for that, Alex.
And yeah, honestly, if you want to watch a Western that's not
an older Western, a high noon, I would highly
recommend because that's just a classic Western
movie with like a lot of great, you know, detention building and
characterization and all that.
It's really good.
But this movie, Tombstone, is also a classic.
Cult classic is probably more accurate, but I,
aside from the performances and the coffee,umes and the general production
design, what I really like about this movie, especially
and you know, you guys know I'm a big nerd for cinematography.
Even though this is a period movie, I
can tell that it was shot in the 90s.
And I miss that, I
don't know, that look of how they did stuff back then, you know?
It just has a certain feel
that is is not even
indicative of the time period of the, you know, Wild West, but just indicative
of the 90s and how they did cinematography back then.
And I just, it's such a nostalgia trip when I rewatched it because
it just reminds me like, oh yeah, like movies used to look like that.
And I like that look.
And I don't know that you could even replicate that anymore unless
you like literally use the same film stock and equipment and all that.
It feels like it has the same kind of blocking and everything like that.
It's like, say you would watch, like like, like
the first film that comes to mind is like Back to the Future.
Yeah, that's a good, yeah, that's a great example.
You know, like you wouldn' Part three, definitely.
Oh, yeah.
Part three is a Western.
Yeah..
And it's like, it has that same feel.
Like the like everything, whether it
was shot on location or if it was on a set, it still, everything felt
look like it was on a set, even if it was a sh location.
Yeah, you know, there's that famous meme that a big studio movies,
everything's just green screened in, or they use the volume.
The volume, guys, the volume.
But this movie did not use the volume.
This movie, I think, I don't know if they shot it in actual tombstone, but I know they shot it on location in Arizona somewhere
And, and it just, it had has
that Western look, that Western feel, but also the
feel of a movie shot in the 90s.
And like I said, I don't know, I miss that a lot.
And
everything nowadays, movies nowadays look great.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not saying that movies look better back then, but it's just different.
It's a different style.
Everything nowadays, everything nowadays is too dark.
It's either too dark or it's too bright. bright.
There's no one in between.
And before anyone comes at me with, well, you got to adjust your settings, man.
No.
This has been a problem for a lot of movies and
shows, especially TV shows, for some reason.
Either Too bright or Too Dark, but I don't know, like Tombstone,
it's the exact color grading and lighting
that it needs that it, you know, should be.
And I, yeah, it just makes me kind of nostalg nostalgic for that, that era of filmmaking
And, yeah, aside from Val Kilmer's standout performance,
I mean, this is just one of the great movies up there with so many others.
And, you know, Kurt Russell is as great as,
you know, the character White Earp and Sam Elliot.
I mean, Bill Paxton, I mean, I feel like Bill Paxton, we really lost a good one with him, especially.
That's two people in this movie. that are deceased that are
iconic actors in their own right.
But yeah.
3.5 stars out of five on their bottom..
That's also mine.
A strong 3.5, by the way, for this movie.
That's my review.
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Kyle's great, by the way., you know.
It's funny.
He's like
WrestleMania weekend would have already passed, but he's actually
DJing a bunch of events in Vegas right now.
Nice, nice.
He's not DJing Koa.
Ka?
No.
No.
I see him more at like WrestleMania
than WrestleMania weekend events than.
Speaking of Coachea, and I'm going to give a quick plug.
This has nothing to do with anything, but
Giso Woo and the Night Owls.
Alex, you know, Giselle.
Coachella Gold is a song that her band made, which is fantastic.
I listen to it almost every day now.
And it's inspired by Coachella and the festival as well.
And let's remember also that it's also The Valley
But I went to high school with Gelle.
She's really talented.
She's really great.
Coachella Gold, look it up on Spotify, wherever you get your music from.
I love that song.
It's a good song.
She's a very
She's a very talented musician.
Yeah, a very talented musician.
I follow her on Instagram and she's always doing a lot of stuff.
I think she was supposed to play at Coachella, I think the first time in
2020, the year of the pandemic, and obviously that got canceled.
I don't know if she ever ended up playing after that.
I don't know if No, she did.
Oh, nice, nice.
She deserved it, too.
Does she have any relation to Gabe Woo?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I know.
She' cousin.
Oh, cousin.
Oh, okay.
Why'd she ask her a question?
Huh?
I wanted to test you.
He's testing your knowledge, Alex.
Your knowledge of local people that we know. in the artist scene in the desert.
Anyway.
What if I was lying, Arnold?
What if I was Coache?
It's called Coachella Gold?
Coachella Gold, yeah.
That's the name of the song.
Gelba and the.
I'm going to look that up.
It's a really good song, man.
It's cool.
I have, though, she gave me like the whole album on CD
Remember those?
But, they're on Spotify and you can listen to their whole.
The whole album's great, but that's a standout song for sure.
But yeah, let's support our local artists, obviously,
and people we know that are artists and trying to come up
So, yeah, check it, but yeah, check us all out.
Check it out. check out KI Maps and check everybody out.
Hey, leave us a comment.
Lea us a review.
We'd love to hear from you.
You know, tell us, have you seen Tombstone?
What's your favorite movie or part?
What's your favorite movie?
What's your favorite scene from Tombstone?
What's your favorite line from Tombstone
Besides, I'll be you, Huckleberry because that's obviously a given.
But there you have it.
That's the show.
Justice's not here tonight, but is any last words from the gentlemen
I don't know.
Is there a new sheriff in town?