This Week: Breaking Down the 2024 Oscar-Winning Film ‘Anora’ with Special Guest Amber Wyatt" Join us as we dive into Anora, the 2024 Academy Award-winning film from visionary director Sean Baker. Our special guest, Amber Wyatt—a former exotic dancer—shares her unique perspective on the film’s authenticity and relatable themes. We also explore Sean Baker’s signature storytelling style, discussing how he masterfully blends raw, grounded narratives with just the right amount of chaotic humor to keep audiences hooked. Tune in for an insightful conversation about one of the year’s most talked-about films!
This Week: Breaking Down the 2024 Oscar-Winning Film ‘Anora’ with Special Guest Amber Wyatt" Join us as we dive into Anora, the 2024 Academy Award-winning film from visionary director Sean Baker. Our special guest, Amber Wyatt—a former exotic dancer—shares her unique perspective on the film’s authenticity and relatable themes. We also explore Sean Baker’s signature storytelling style, discussing how he masterfully blends raw, grounded narratives with just the right amount of chaotic humor to keep audiences hooked. Tune in for an insightful conversation about one of the year’s most talked-about films!
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We have Mr. Shibbs Zombie, aka.
Justin Holden.
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Arnie, the one-man Party, aka.
Arnold Collo, Drinks Up. We
have Mr. Daily Dares, aka.
Filipino Grigio, aka.
Alex Ko, the brothers Kalingo.
Of course, we have Mr. Donnie Appleseed, aka.
Donnie Guzman, the Cins Kaleo.
And then there's me., Boots Too Big, aka.
Adrian D. And tonight, we have a very special guest on our show.
She is a staff writer at 303 Magazine, executive
producer at Millennial Matrix Media, co-founder
of the Castle Rock Film Festival and and is
something we both have in common, a former exotic dancer.
So I' like to welcome to the show, Miss Ann Amber Wyatt.
Welcome, Amber.
Welcome.
Thank you for being here tonight.
Hello, hello.
And the movie we are discussing is a 2024 film Anora
directed by Sean Baker, who we previously did
a movie on on this show, Florida Project, Anora. you didn't.
Oh, God. didn't.
I forgot about that. on the last episode.
Oh, lost episode, yeah.
Damn it.
Damn.
What a good episode.
What a great.
It was actually a good discussion.
It was really good.
A young sex worker from Brooklyn gets her
chance at a Cinderella story when she meets and impulsively marries
the son of a rich Russian oligarch.
Once the news reaches Russia, her fairy tale is threatened as the parents set out for New York
to get the marriage annulled.
So that's the movie.
This is a brand new movie, won the Best Picture Oscar for 2024.
Sean Baker won Best Director, Best original screenplay, I believe it was.
And Best Editing, which is amazing that
he actually edited this himself as well
Fresh off, the press is, who chose this movie, by the way?
Which one of the gang was it?
That was What compelled you to choose this film, Don?
Well, it was actually something that I wanted to see like in theaters when I first saw the previews.
I kind of drew drew me in with the way they
was shot with all the colorful shots in low light.
I don't know.
I'm into that kind thing.
And I thought it was it would be an interesting perspective to see a
movie where it talks about like an interesting perspective of
a sex worker and, you know, what they go through.
Nice, nice.
Did Vegas play into your decision?
Well, I live in Vegas, so for
those who don't know, and like you see both characters like, you know, those rich
young people that come in from overseas and also sex workers all over the place.
So I thought it'd be kind of interesting.
Also, that's what that was.
No.
Nice.
Well, yeah, thanks for choosing.
It was a very interesting movie to watch.
But yeah, let's let's go around the room and Amber.
I will start with you.
What did this movie do for you, Amber?
It was so, I was just like impressed
with the research that they did because
like the conversations that were taking place like in
the strip club were like so like niche and like so like accurate.
And it's like, they definitely talk to other dancers, like to figure that out
because like talking about the DJ not playing your playlist,
that was like an every night thing talking about like threatening not
to tip out, like tip out is like this whole illegal thing.
Like, I don't know.
Are you guys familiar?
My sister works in a restaurant.
She's always talked about you have to tip out people and they work in the restaurant on your ship.
I didn't even know that was a thing, by the way.
Is that
Yeah, but like you're an independent contractor
at the club and you pay a stage fee to perform there for the evening.
And that's all that you legally have to pay like as an independent contractor.
You know, like
you're not an employee of the club.
So like at the end of the night, like there's
this thing called tip out and like, you'll have to tip out like the girl who
counts the dances or like she'll fuck your dance
count up and you have to like tip out the bartender or like
they won't get your customer drunk and you have to tip out the DJ or
like he won't play your playlist and probably won't anyway like they were saying.
And then, because he's just like some dickhead.
Like it's always like that.
And then like you have to tip out like the manager or
like he's not going to let you leave early sometime.
And then you have to tip out the valet or like you're going to be the last one to leave at the night.
But it's like all of that's illegal.
But if you don't do it, like you get treated like shit.
So like, you know, it's like you have to
just to keep the peace, basically.
But like, I just thought it was so funny when she was like, if you,
like your cousin, the DJ, like doesn't start playing, like, we're gonna not tip him out anymore.
And it's like they would actually probably never do that because like you will be
they'll like make it hell for you if you don't tip out.
So like, but like she's just threatening like
and just talking shit because that's like all that Anora does.
And I love that.
And then like there's that other thing too that was
super niche where like, like, okay, like a girl would like
dance with your Well, it's not ever your customer.
That's the thing.
So like a girl will like dance with a customer and then
like, then like another girl would come up to you and be like, did you dance with my customer
And it's like, how the fuck is it?
You a customer, bro?
Like, it's a guy in here're like, yeah, I did.
But that was the same thing that happened to her.
And then it like ended up leading to that whole thing at the end where like,
that girl was really mad about that.
And it's like literally like $45, $55.
Like, chill, bro.
Like,
who's going to get in a fight over 45 bucks, man?
Like, so yeah, uh,
that was really, I love that they really did the research and I feel like they
had like dancers or like sex workers
or whatever, like actually like in on like the script writing had to be, at least like dialogue.
Yeah.
But then also like I liked how that was kind of shot like wreen or something.
Like that was like holga almost.
Like it was really weird.
It was like
wide, but then it was like, like
concave and like, like fuzzy on the ends, like out of focus a bit.
Right.
Did you guys notice that?
I noticed I rented it through my
cable provider and I have motions moving off on my
TV, but it felt like it was digital
or something.
And I looked it up, but they shot it on film.
I specifically looked it up because I was like, wait, why does it look so digital?
But they shot it on film.
So did anybody else notice that was the frame rate weird for anybody else?
Was it just me?
I don't no.
When you
The round was,
I didn't notice fish eye, right?
I think it was a s middle of the screen, you know, like round.
What scene was that in?
Arnold was too Right off the bat.
What scene was that?
I had no idea what the movie was about.
Yeah.
You were distracted, weren't you?
You know, I thought it was really accurate, too.
Like, how they approach the customers in the strip club, right?
Not that I've gone a lot or frequent, but, you know, I
grew up, I was here when I turned 18.
So you read.
So you read.
from my experience.
Yeah.
So they can be very territorial, huh.
Amber?
I didn't know that.
I never would have thought that about a strip club.
I would have thought it would just be like, oh, every customer is just a customer, but they can
be very territorial is what you're saying, huh?
Yeah.
And it's like irrational, right?
It's like, okay, you did like two dances with him last week.
I think that it's better to assume like the guy
doesn't want to dance with the same girl over and over again.
Like, let's switch it up, dude.
Like, that's how I feel when I go as a customer.
Like, I'm trying to dance with different girls and meet different girls every time.
I'm not trying to be with the same girl.
Like, I got a wife at home, bro.
Like, I'm not trying to, why would I come here and see the same girl over and over again?
Like, so that, yeah, that's definitely how it is.
And then
what else was I going to say about it?
That was like super, I don't know.
Like it's sort of like, you know, you have that character and like, you have that name there.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You guys were talking about how she was hustling.
Yeah, that was, that's like really how it is sometimes too.
Like that's the hustle.
He's like, I'm not trying to spend that much.
She was like, yeah, let's go to the ATM.
Yeah.
And she's like ATM.
I like that moment because it felt like she was she she
was so charming and she's like basically leading a dog to water, you know?
I'm not going to lie.
I got caught up doing that
a couple of times.
So I'm like, I'm like, uh, what's an extra $100, $150?
Was that a bachelor party?
Or, I mean, I remember.
You know what?
I wasn't going to call you out, Arnold Big.
Was your name died?
Her name.
Her name was Freddy Krueger because she dressed as Freddy Krueger.
Oh, nice.
But, you know, they should do theme nights like that.
You know, at strip clubs or whatever.
I don't know if they do.
It was It was at Cheetahs in San Diego.
It was during Comic Con, so they were all dressed up because they knew all the Comic Con guys were coming in.
Nice.
That's amazing.
They got me with friends.
Freddie.
They got me with Freddy.
That's what did it for you, huh?
It was the Freddy Krueger that did it Fred.
It's Freddie, man.
It was Freddy.
Wow.
I was also going to say like with that like
kind of Hoga Lens like type vibe that was going on, like, I guess that's just like the film, but like
whatever that kind of like dreamy like thing
was to it, like it was giving like dissociations., right?
Because like that's what it is.
Like when you have that character, like, it's not me, bro.
Like, I'm like out here with Yu-Gi-h cards.
Like, but in the club, you know, I can't act like that.
I get it.
You gotta be like, you know,
So they bop.
But it's like, like Amber is like a big tomboy,
but it's like, yeah, but I don't know.
So you like are some, you create a character and
then it's like, I guess it could be a bit dissociative, like, in a way.
Like, I mean, for me, I think it was just acting, but
like she was really deep into stuff.
You know what I mean?
So like that kind of, I don't know if that was intended, but like that was kind of what I thought.
Like
why, why was it so like dreamy and like out of focus, like in some parts?
Like, I think that's what it was.
It's like Annie Anora, Annie, Anora.
It's like making the viewer like, um, it's like emphasizing
like the difference between those two people.
Yeah, and Sean Baker does have antenna,
and I know we haven't released it, but we lost it, but when we did Florida
Project, he tends to have a dreamy sort
of vibe to the stuff he films and the way he shoots things,
and especially like the very ending of Florida Florida projects, spoiler
alert, but that little last bit where they run off to Disney World or whatever, like that felt like a dream
And I feel like that's just kind of part of his style and
when he does, when he shoots his movies, you know.
So I totally get what you're saying.
But another thing I found interesting of that, those opening 30
minutes was like the sort of politics backstage with
the girls and how there's like a kind of like a high school-ish mean
girls kind of dynamic going on.
I thought that was interesting.
I thought realistic
The way she talks with her best friend and then
the animosity she has with that other, the redhead girl, I forget her name.
I thought that was all really good.
Well, can I say like something significant about like the
conversations between the dancers is like the part at the end of the night, at the beginning of the
movie where like her and her best friend are like smoking
the joint out front. and then like, he's like, yeah, like
she's like, uh, he like set I look like his 18 year old daughter.
And then like, she's like, ugh.
No, but then she.
And then bought five dances?
No, yes, but then they have to be like, well, at least he bought the dances.
Like you have to like justify these bullshit all the time because it's just like insane.
And you're like, well, there's got to be a silver liney to it somewhere.
Like, What about the part with her
um, going home by herself, like Subway?
I mean, and then walking, uh, don't they usually have like a lot of cash on them?
And then and can't they be like, uh, Targets?
I'm sure they may be.
For sure.
That's something I think, you know, I know a lot of them,
They have a friend pick them up or boyfriend pick them up.
Would she stop by her?
I actually them and just make a deposit.
I don't know, just to keep it all.
I was actually kind of thinking about that at the very end when they went to
the bank and then't they, they say like at
the very end, we're going to give you the money, which is like 10 grand.
and then they're walking out and she's supposed to have it on her, right?
And she's walking out of the bank with 10 grand in her purse.
And like, imagine somebody like just robbing her right, like right there.
I didn't even catch that.
She had Igor with her.
Yeah, they out of a chase bake.
I mean, I mean, Igor, regardless
if he was there or not, if somebody tried to rob her, so he would try to robber,
you know, like it doesn't remove any sort of like consciousness of like
the robbery, you know, like somebody's going to rob you,
somebody's going to rob you..
She's also dressed down completely in no makeup when she's leaving the club.
So it's like, she just looks like a normal, normal person, right?
A civilian..
Yeah, a civilian.
And that could be that could be anyone.
She's an easy target because she's a smaller frame chick, but, you know.
Would it be similar to like, you know, when you, you
work at a business with a uniform and then you just take the uniform off so
nobody like interacts with you outside of work?
Like, I know I do that.
I have a uniform
So when I take it off before I leave work,
because there's been times where I'll have my uniform when
I'm leaving work and people will come up to me and I'll be like, oh, man, I just want to go home, dude you?
Dude.
Leave I know money.
I've Target.
I've been to Target.
I don't go to Target anymore.
When I'd go to Target wearing a red shirt, people just
walk up to you and it's like, It's like, dude, I don't work here.
I', but I don't work.
So we've only covered like the very
beginning of this movie, and I feel like this movie is a whirlwind
of a story.
The way from beginning to end.
Like, it does not let up.
So I wanted to ask you guys, yeah, so what did you, so those first 30 minutes
is like them partying and,
you know, hooking up and all that stuff.
And she's sort of still outing like, you know, like
a client, basically, to the young, the young Russian lad.
And then they go to Vegas, they get married
and then it just, it just, it's all downhill from there.
But what did you guys think of that?
Like, there was such a stark difference between the first act
of the movie going into the rest of of it.
As far as pacing, as far as tone, as far as editing,
like, was that kind of jarring for anybody else?
Am I the only one?
No, I felt the switch like somewhere.
Oh, sorry.
Oh, go ahead.
Go ahead.
I was just going to say, I felt a switch somewhere where it almost seemed like there was like a lot of dark humor inserted in.
Did you guys feel that too?
I started getting like, right?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
So it kind of changed the pace a little bit after that had happened for me..
It kind of reminded me of Fargo.
It gave me Fargo vibes.
Fargo, yeah.
I was thinking about uncut gems, dude.
Me too.
Me too too.
I got that as well.
I haven't seen Uncut Gems.
I was like, did the Safety Brothers direct this shit?
It was so chaotic.
Like, just.
Yeah.
But the chaos was like, it was so well orchestrated.
Like I, you, like, like what you were saying earlier, like it's, they did a research for sure.
Like, you could totally see it in the acting and I really appreciated that.
I thought it it made for such a good film because of that.
It felt real.
Yeah.
Like I could totally see that happening in Vegas, like completely
Yeah.
And then like, like, go ahead?
No, you go ahead.
Go ahead.
With the, okay, I think like with
the dark humor piece that you guys are talking about, like, I think that
was like a full like demonstration of like actual
PTSD that like every dancer has, bro
Because like, I never went like as far as she did or anything, you know what I mean?
But I know a lot of girls who did do that.
And like whenever you get to like the escorting, it's like, I don't even know, dude.
Like that's got to be crazy.
So like, I feel like she had like legitimately
like did think they were about to rape her, bro.
Like, I don't know, but like, I feel like it was straight.
Like, it was like a depiction of PTSD because like, it was,
he was acting, she was overreacting, but it's like, then if you think
about it in that context, like, oh, she has sex for money.
Like
this could be really scary, dude.
Like they, you know what I mean?
So I kind of took it that way.
That part really that you're talking about, I think that was like one of the best scenes of the movie.
Like that scene so real to me, like how she was acting and how she was just going all out, like, so real, dude.
Like I thought it was so good.
Right.
Yeah.
Even the backwards come on the bed by Vanya?
Oh, that wasn't great moment.
That kind of reminds me, though, of like this whole,
this whole conversation is, so there's this
trans boy that I follow on
Instagram and she was he was talking about
how they do OnlyFans.
And they've been doing OnlyFans for like five or six years.
And originally, when he started off doing OnlyFans,
he hadn't transitioned yet.
And they he
had the transition, but that's regardless
of all that, throughout the whole time, they were talking about like, he was talking about how
there's a lot of in
that industry, you're approached by a lot of different
things that, and I imagine that's
probably the same way in like strip clubs
where like you're, you're like kind of pushed or like
people try to, uh, hey, you should
maybe have ever thought of being an escort.
And then for him, he was talking about how
getting approached by like managers or
quote unquote, managers and people even straight up wanting to pimp, you know?
So I can imagine that's what happens at clubs.
So that whole sort of PTSD exists in sex work
across the board.
So.
Sometimes I think they do it so like they're in control.
Like they think like, I'm just going to get raped anyway.
So like I might as well like be on my terms, you know what I mean?
And I'm like, literally I met some girls that have that train of thought and I'm like, yo, that's crazy.
Like, I don't think anybody could pay me enough, but go ahead.
No, yeah, that's all good stuff.
I, that whole sequence with uh Toros
being phoned at the church, and he's like looking at his text.
He's like, oh, no.
As he's in the middle of a baptism error, that was a great little moment.
And then the way he like has to exit the church and everyone's like, what the fuck
And then that whole sequence of him on the phone driving
and her on the other end, yelling and Yv and
the two goons and all that, it was like, yeah, that gave
me an uncut gems vibes.
What I like about that, that, that whole like sequence
is, you think they're gangsters, right?
They're like, you know, but then you get to
the point where it's like, no, he's just like a guardian who's like tasked
to watch over I Vanya, you know?
And too.
Yeah.
It's like, wow, they're really not even that good at what they do.
They're really bad.
Yeah.
And like that guy Igor, he's there
and he, it's like, he's just new.
He's just, just like on the job. like, it seems
like it's his first day, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I noticed, and speaking of that scene, I
was expecting it to turn dark and it didn't turn dark, even though they
were literally having to tie her up and all that.
And I didn't think it was an overreaction.
She was, I think reacting appropriately, given the situation.
But I noticed that like the two, the two henchmen guys
didn't have any kind of weapon on them.
I was I was expecting that.
I was waiting for the other shoe to drop at some point, and it never did.
So I thought it was interesting how he took it in a direction that
that, you know, sort of subverted your expectations for how that all was going to play out.
But yeah, that entire sequence with Toros driving from the church to the house
I mean, God, that, that was just so chaotic.
It was crazy.
And then I feel like, did anybody else catch like,
they were sort of planting the seeds, I thought, for Igor to sort of fall for
the background, right?
Like, like There was a glint in his eye, I noticed.
And I was like, I know that glint.
I feel like every guy in here probably knows that glint.
Like when you see someone for the first time, you're like, oh, okay.
So I don't know.
So I guess you guys did catch that, right?
That they were sort of plant.
Yeah, he had a like a softness for her.
Yeah.
You know, he was just kind of like
um.
Yeah.
Like he was doing it for the.
Like he really didn't want to be fucking doing that.
He's like, oh, I feel bad.
Like, oh, like, but then he's like, well, I need the money.
Like he lives in fucking Queens or something.
Yeah, he was he was he kept on talking about like
uh, he lives with his grandmother and he's like
at the end of the movie, you find out that the car is his grandfather's.
Yeah.
It's also funny how this movie kind of turned into like a
waiting for Godot type of thing where it's like Yanov is like the
key to the whole story and we don't see him for
70% of the movie.
Like the rest of the story is like,
this fetch quest for, like, where is Yan?
and going to all all his usual haunts?
What did you guys think about that whole sequence?
Because I feel like, I feel like Anora sort of started to just kind of be
a ride-ong passenger than that part of the story.
Like, Alex, I'll start with you.
Like What did you think of that sequence kind of in general?
I felt like during
that whole sequence, it was just kind of bumbling, you know?
They were stumbling through their way to try to figure out where
Vanya is, you know?
But it's it did show lots of
the character for each person, you know,
why their intentions, like why they're doing it, like with Atoros.
And he's like, damn it, this kid, I was tasked
to like, I'm going to, they're going to kill me, you know?
And then you see
what's the, the other guy who got, like, you think he's, he has a concussion?
He's just like that, like he's like a comedy relief, kind of.
Yeah.
You know?
He's like, he's, he definitely has a concussion.
He's like throwing up, trying not to fall asleep with a thing.
And then pain pills.
I think he was throwing up because he took three up.
That's instead of one.
That's a good catch.
I did not catch it at all.
That's true.
Didn't he say?
I totally took him all at once.
Yeah.
I thought I read that you could throw up from having a concussion.
That's what I assumed it was.
You can.
You can.
Either.
That's one of those things you have to
You have to like sit up upwardsright, like the whole time.
I remember I was at the last time I went to see Future Islands
at North Park, this kid, he leaped.
He like made his way onto the stage and leaped into the
crowd, did a stage dive
and nobody caught him.
And the kid like, like, like face planted, right?
And like, I was like, oh man, that kid's dead.
And like, he got up, but people like helped him out.
And then at the end of the show, I saw like him with the paramedics and they
just like got to sit up upright
and don't fall asleep.
Then they had somebody sitting there like just watching him making sure he doesn't fall asleep.
I was like, yeah, rookie move.
Yeah.
Arnold, you've been kind of quiet.
I want to want to ask you really quick.
What's stuck out for you?
Well, you know, the
lighting, the lighting, just kidding.
I don't I don't know about all that shit.
O tease me like that.
You know I like lighting.
I know.
I mean, I went into it really.
I did not know at all what the movie was about.
And then and so
uh, you know, in the first 30 seconds for,
you know, titties to be in the in the scene, uh,
on camera.
I was watching this with my wife and then,
and then, and we had just finished eating dinner. and I was like,
it was like 9, 915 when we started watching it.
And she's like,
it's starting late.
I'm I get sleepy.
We had I just had corned beef and cabbage and potatoes
and carrots, and it was like a heavy meal.
It was really good.
And Was that from the garlic Valley?
But
And what?
That's an inside joke.
What was the garlic Valley in California?
What was it called?
Gilroy.
Oh, oh.
Gilroy.
Gilroy.
Oh, yeah.
Where you could just hang your meat and get it marinated just by hanging.
Be tasty.
Beautiful.
Chefs.
Yeah.
What was I?
Is it also to watch this kind of movie with your wife?
I mean, it shouldn't be?
She's your wife, right?
I mean, whatever.
No, she was like looking at me.
She was like, you
you like this.
She's looking if I'm getting excited in her something.
I was like, honey, it's research.
Research.
This is the movie we're assigned to watch.
I got to watch it.
Okay?
So, uh, but.
What else can I say?
I don't know that's just how it really felt realistic, even
though I never really worked in that world.
But
I mean, I've seen some TikTok videos and stuff of like.
of people like, oh, here's my life.
a week in my life working as a stripper.
And they usually show like how much money they make and stuff like that.
And all the different get ready with me.
As I go on on my kn
Yeah.
But so this was definitely a lot more realistic and
Vanya.
I couldn't help but think about my friend Vanya, who
spells it with a J instead of a Y.
Right.
Is he Russian?
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
Is he rich?
Yes.
In high school, he had a Mercedes SUV.
Nice.
And, um.
So we kind of a
bum rides from him Did he ask to marry you?
They did to Vegas proposed to you, Arnold.
He was pretty wild.
He was pretty wild.
Would party pretty hard.
Not quite like Vanya in the movie.
Nor was he like that rich
like him.
He was an oligarch rich.
He was just rich.
You know Arnold.
He was Palm Springs kid rich.
I I was a wedding, what does he call it?
A wedding officiator one time?
I did it one time.
So if you ever need it for your Russian friend.
s not.
What?
Well, now that I look at it and just,
I don't think he was that rich, but they had money,
enough for him to have a brand new Mercedes in high school.
I bet he likes to tailgate people on the freeway.
I don't think he has that anymore.
Or maybe he still does the same one since high school.
Yeah.
Honestly,
um jeez.
Sorry.
Sorry, guys.
I just came back from work, I. I'm like really tired.
I did think it was it was a really good movie.
The whole part of
them looking for Vania, it
felt a little bit like it was it started to get long.
And I started looking at at the time and I was like, oh, damn, we've still got like more than an hour left.
I don't know if anybody else kind of felt the same way.
Yeah.
Yeah. sort of.
I started like questioning like, oh, wow, this this this got one of the most Oscars
I feel like Emlia Perez is better.
What?
I bounce.
James operation.
I see, I see, I see.
No.
The candy shop scene I thought was like,
I didn't even really, I don't know.
That was like, to me, the whole movie, to me, that scene was
probably the weakest.
How say you?
Justin, you tell us.
What do you think about the candy shop scene?
In particular?
Like, I literally just got finished watching that movie.
What candy candy How do they call a candy shop scene?
They're friends that have a candy shop on the boardwalk of the beach or whatever.
Oh, oh, and then they start like smashing everything.
Okay, okay..
I mean, I I get it like to
push the plot forward of like finding their friend.
And, I mean, yeah,
I mean, I would, if I was looking for somebody, I'd go to all the possible locations.
I don't think it was unnecessary
I did like, however, like when he smashed everything and
he took the bat and he went like, and then it like broke it.
I thought that was hilarious.
I was like, I was like, oh, it was like, oh, he's just I dig it back.
That one moment makes up for the whole thing, Julia.
That
I like the candy shop owner.
The candy shop owner.
There he is.
He, he was hilarious.
What the hell is going on here?
That show was hilarious too.
Could you tell them.
He looks like kids were not really actors.
Could you guys kind of tell they were like, not really?
They actually worked fair.
They were Yeah, they actually were in that way. old man actually owned the shop.
Yeah, absolutely.
Honestly, that old guy looks like one of my uncles.
But anyway, yeah, I
thought that was the, I mean, I feel like all of the scenes were necessary.
I did catch myself.
There was one point in time
I like, I paused the movie and
I looked up, I was like, you know, I wanted to get something really
quick and I was like, maybe I'll look at the time.
And I was like, oh, God, I have 30 minutes left.
But it wasn't like a bad thing.
It was more like, wow.
Because when I, when I originally watched the commercials
I didn't go into it doing any kind of research.
I was just like, I know it won some Oscars.
I saw a one trailer for it and that was about it.
And it was completely different than
when I expected it to be.
So I didn't really think that the scene was unnecessary.
I felt like it was a
pl plot point to move the characters forward
to the next destination type of deal.
Could it have been summarized?
Maybe, but I feel like it was a key point
to allow them to push the story further.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I kind of honestly disagree with the idea that it's
wasn't wasn't necess.
I think it was.
I think it was a very a poignant moment.
I mean, it showed if in the grand scheme
of things when you look back and especially like in terms of
like how we like to,
you know, like do multiple feelings of films if you like
a film, you look back on that now it's it's like,
oh, Igor is showing like his care and concern.
And that's a point in that movie where he's actually
you know, he's, he, yeah, he's maybe being the muscle,
but he's doing it for Anora, you know?
Because like he wants to help her, you know?
Because regardless of like his feelings and or
if he's even like having feelings yet for her
he's doing it because, one, he's got a job.
But then this is also, he's, he sees how
like emotionally distraught she is.
And he just wants to get this like figured out.
And so he's doing what he has to do.
And that guy gets that Vania's friend gets in his face
and is like, you know, trying to like muscle him.
And then he steals the bat like so easily from him, just kind of showing, like showing him what's up.
And that's like almost like a flex.
like, like don't mess with me.
Like he, he's in that job for a reason,
but he's he doesn't he doesn't necessarily show it.
Like he probably is a very dangerous person,
but he's reserved because he didn't take on this job to hurt people.
He probably just took on the job to intimidate more than anything.
Yeah, he's good at intimidating, but then he's like
definitely, like starting.
That's the starting seeds of him having
feelings, I guess, for.
In my opinion, there's like a parallel between like
what he does and what she does because I feel like he
like has to go out and do this shit, but he's doing it for money.
And then like she has to go do this shit, but she's just doing it for money.
Like, and neither one of them are really who they are, but they have to curate
like these intimidating or sexy, like personas
to get their money, but who they really are is kind of lost in there.
It's like, because most of the time they have to be the character
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a greatrillian, yeah, for real.
And I, and I think of what's interesting too, is like you could see it
as if, like he pities her.
But if somebody really pities somebody, you don't really fall for them.
You actually, like, she, you could tell that's
why I think that's when the seeds of him actually falling for her her
occur because pity
is not love, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think I think his role was pivotal in the way that like
the reason he was there, right, at least in my opinion, it's like he,
he is the only person that actually respected Honora, right?
Like he saw like the humanistic values of who she was other
than just her position as the sex worker.
And I think that was the main purpose of his role in
the movie was like, hey, and that's why we capture those glimpses,
not because he was like falling in love, but more like, hey, I see this person as as a person.
Like this is a person
has feelings, has emotions, and like, everybody treats her like shit.
And, you know, I think that was his main, main role in the movie.
Yeah, I think his job was like, you know, he's
like, his job is to help like care for Vanya, but so that
by extension, uh, care for his wife.
Right?
Right.
I wanted to kind of like bring it back just a little
bit because we were talking about earlier, how, you know,
obviously the director Sean Baker, um,
he does.
I feel like, because you were talking about, um
like, research and stuff or like, like the, like
this movie kind of, you know, accurately portrays,
um, you know, the life of type of deal.
But Sean Baker is, if we've, since we've seen
Florida Project unreased episode, uh,
we know that he does like a lot of research because
like, much like Florida Project, that was shot in
and done in such a way that he did a lot of research.
A lot of the actors that he pulled were the people
that actually lived on that property, like all of them.
So he, like, I feel like Sean Baker does a really good job at storytelling because he does
the research.
He does a really good deep dive.
I feel like that's why I really like a
lot of his films in general, is because they're so real,
but he adds his own flair and his own character to them.
And I think I, I really appreciate like
his style of like directing and writing.
Or does he do writing or does he just do directing?
Well, yeah, he wrote this.
It was writing too, yeah.
Yeah, best original screenplay.
Yep.
He definitely focuses on like marginalized people
and like immigrants and sex worker and stuff like that.
Yeah.
Which I thought I thought that was an interesting, sort of a thorough line
in his movies, because tangerine was about transgender prostitutes in LA.
Red Rocket, I believe is about.
Is it adult film stars or sex workers of some kind?
Yeah.
And then, of course, Florida Project, which we never released, but she turns to
prostitution in that movie as well.
So yeah, it's an interesting theme that he has going on.
You know what movie we should have watched paired with this?
Have you guys seen Zola?
Zola.
That's one I didn've been want to watch.
Oh, that that's a good movie.
That's similar sort of vibes as this movie
And it.
Also by him?
No, not by Sean Baker, but it was based on a
series of tweets that came out like, I don't
know, 10 years ago or eight years ago or something like that.
Or a girl who's a stripper or
escort stripper or something.
She does both.
Oh, that's crazy thing she went through.
Yeah, yeah. the tweets, yeah.
The tweets.
Diddy's house or some shit?
I don't know if it was Diddy's house.
In the movie, they go to Florida and they like to party and stuff and do and whatnot.
And I don't want to give it away.
But
yeah, they end up in some pretty.
I tried Diddy.
Diddy area.
Diddy did it.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
So we should probably do that next.
That would be a good
a good companion movie for this.
Not good stuff.
No, go ahead.
Go ahead.
I wanted to ask you guys, like at the candy shop
and at the restaurant where they like went in the back, like, did you guys get the vibe that like the friends
thought, like the like I felt like it was like
illustrating the distrust of a stripper because like I felt like
all those friends, even though they had like been around her and hung around her,
were like, what the fuck are you doing to Vanya?
Like right.
And it's like, it's these guys that have me hostage literally right now.
Yeah.
Like, what are you, like, Annie?
Like, what like, like they were thinking like she was trying to like kill Vanya or something.
It felt like to me.
Like, what did you guys think?
I can I can see that.
I can see that.
Yeah.
But I also kind of think that like
she's the she's the new person in the group.
So, like like, who are you?
Why are you here?
You know?
I also felt like, like,
like it's the type of friends because I mean, I think everybody has friends like that.
It's like they're, the fall guy friends where
it's like, oh, I ain't going to rent on my homie, you know, type of deal.
I feel like it was like one of those occasions where they're like, oh, it's like, oh, he's in some
trouble trouble.
So I'm not going to say jack shit about where his whereabouts are.
So I feel like it was kind of like, because even in, like earlier
in the movie, there was like one scene in particular.
I don't know if anybody caught it, but they were like, oh,
like they were making fun of the fact that he was seen
an escort, just like amongst his friends, like behind
his back, behind both of their backs.
So whether like he's in on it or not, I
feel like his friends automatically know like when shit happens
cover for him.
Reg regardless of what it is, I don't know.
I haven't seen him, you know, regardless.
I feel like that.
It was like one of those situations.
I could see that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If a person walks in with two with three big, scary looking dudes
and they're asking about someone you know, I feel like, yeah, your defenses are going to go up a little bit.
I'm like, yeah, who wants to know?
You know, like, why are you asking?
That I was going to say, too.
Who are these guys?
She didn't explain it either, right?
There was no explanation.
It was just kind of like, so, where is he?
Where is he?
Where is he?
Where is he
Yeah.
But I also kind of feel like I see where you guys
are coming from, and I do see that point of view.
But I also see there's that also that perspective
of like, all those friends could just be also hangers on.
So they have no clue.
They just only care about the party.
He is super rich, right?
Some people don't really
they're like, they're not really his friend.
They just want to party with him.
Because if you notice like a lot of those people, like when they' when
Toros is going around, it's like they go to that bar with the billiards bar
and like, oh yeah, I know him.
He's like, he throws good parties.
And that's kind of the vibe I get as well.
Like people know him for throwing good parties, but they're not really his friends, you know?
And he probably doesn't even care.
Like he's like, Vanny is like, he's trying to have a good time and that's the whole thing too
Like, he got, he got into this whole
situation with Anora to have a good time.
He didn't love her.
He like, it becomes like quickly apparent
to me at the at the very beginning of the movie that he doesn't love her
He just, like, we're going to have a great time.
That's what he says.
It's a long time. a great time or is he trying to piss his mom off?
Yeah.
That's the good point.
I that too.
Well, then, I think both.
I think both.
Like having a good time with his. is my ultimate ho.
His mom was the ultimate ho..
Yeah, I'm just curious what you guys think, but do
you guys feel like she fell for him, like really fell in love with him?
Or was it just purely, I think so.
Totally.
Well, yeah.
Also, like, isn't that in of itself?
It's a real marriage.
This is a real marriage.
It's like she was trying to convince herself.
It was convincing herself.
Yeah.
But I feel like there's a parallel in that, too. because it's like
now that you bring it up and you mention it, it's like,
like she, she was kind of doing the same thing with the people that she was working with.
Like, oh, I'm now I'm going to make this particular
girl jealous because I'm I'm off with some rich, you know, man.
And then like he
in return is just like this
really rich kid that's just trying to have a party and make a name for himself.
And And that's all they're really known for
is I, oh, he's he's rich It's all weird flexes.
Yeah, it's all just, it's a big movie flex.
I mean, it was evident right, that it wasn't going to work out.
Like he made it clear that his money is coming from his parents and she was quitting this job to get married.
Like, it was just a dead end for sure.
You know what's really unrealistic about this movie?
A person giving in to a wealthy, powerful Russian oligarch.
That does not happen in real life.
I don't know what
they were thinking with that.
What are you talking about?
It's happening in the White House.
I don't know what you mean.
No.
You know what's funny about?
That statement is this whole movie to me feels like a subvers
statement commentary on capitalism.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, it's the party scene.
It's the club scenes.
It's that whole montage in the beginning, like just spending money left and right.
And
like, I don't know.
I think that's capitalism in a nutshell,
yeah, in a way, especiallyecially for like like the young generations, right?
Like a kid like Vanya who's got a deep pockets
is going to just party the fucking party his ass off constantly.
Well, there's a study that I read about that like,
people who are wealthy, the wealthier you are,
the more disconnected you are from like actual reality.
Yeah, of course.
Like that they have no, like, they, they just,
they use their money, like, it doesn't matter, right?
Right.
They have to, like, there's no regrets.
They don't care about it.
Yeah.
People are just things for them to use.
They're just pawns. everywhere.
The part when they were in Vegas.
I know a lot of people like that
Go ahead, Arnold.
Oh, the part when they're in Vegas and he's like, oh, yeah, all in.
And then he lost.
I was like, damn, that was a lot, man.
Well, even Nora had that look on her face.
Anora had that look on her face.
She was like, what the still?
Yeah.
Yo, I remember.
I think I was with Alex, actually.
It was Dodie is like a bachelor party or something, but like I
put a hundred on black because Red came up like eight times
on roulette.
Do you remember this?
And then I was like, it, I'm going to put a put a $100 on black.
It came up eight times.
There's no way it's going to come out tonight.
And I lost it.
I was like, fuck, that's a lot of meals.
It's like $100.
You're liquid.
You're liquid.
Baby, you're liquid.
I just remember that night we were like at that
table, but I remembered right next to us was that slot machine.
And somebody
winning, like crazy.
Did you hear the clang of all the coins coming down from the slot machine machine?
We should watch Swingers.
We should watch Swingers.
That's a great movie.
Vince Vaugh
what's?
It hasn't aged very well, but I love that movie.
I know, baby.
It's money, baby.
It's money, baby. baby.
I love that money.
What's that, Amber?
And then we'll watch Showgirls.
Yeah, I remember that.
Yeah.
It's Elizabeth Berkeley.
Oh, Showgirls.
Uh, and Stript We should watch the last Showgirl with Pam Anderson.
Was that a movie?
I haven've never seen that.
It just came out.
The last The Last Showgirl?
I never seen that.
Pamela Anderson.
what did you guys think about the diner scene where they're all eating together?
Because I was waiting.
I was like, God, these guys got to be hungry at some point.
Like, they got to stop me.
And then they had this scene.
I was like, okay, nice.
They're at a diner.
They're eating.
That felt like such a weird quasi, like found family kind of scene.
Yeah, I thought, I thought, Igor, man, he needs to slow down and chew his food.
He's nothing to digest it pretty well.
He's going to be constipated.
Yeah.
Well, no, I didn't exercise.
But yeah, let's go with you, Donnie.
What did What did you think about that scene in general when they sort of the movie kind of slows down a bit?
I think it was necessary, right?
Like it was real.
Like you've been like searching all night for this guy that you have no clue where his whereabouts are.
You You're going to get hungry, right?
I actually got hungry at that point and I paused it.
And that's when I realized how much time was left on the film.
But, you know, I thought it was necessary.
And I thought that was good.
I thought it was good.
I a followup question.
Please follow question.
Please.
Who do you guys think paid for that meal?
I want to say it was Toro's.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to say it's Torres.
Given everything, I feel like he.
Yeah, it's definitely Toros.
He's like the V.
Didn't she want to try to order something else and then like they were like, no.
What is there something like that?
Maybe I miss something?
I can't remember.
I don't remember, to be honest.
But you know what's important about that restaurant seat
is you you get to see all the other younger kids that he possibly could have interacted with and he goes up to them.
He's like, hey, I'm in need.
Like, I, I need help It's just an emergency.
Have you seen this person that they were just like dicks to him?
Like, I think that's real too.
Like, you come across those people who just don't give a fuck what you're going through, emergency you're not, right?
For sure.
I think there there's also that like boom sort of disconnect between
the younger generation and him.
Totally.
I was trying to avoid saying that, but yeah, this totally.
That's true.
Right.
It's true.
Toros had to pay for that meal, I think.
Right?
Right.
Yeah.
Well, it's that disconnect between the younger and
an older generation with Toros, like
not really getting like, like how kids are.
But then also
you know, it just kind of shows
that sort of how he's handling,
you know, probably how he's handled in the funny in the past.
If I saw that in real life, though, I'd be like, who's this geezer?
Come on.
Like,
know we were all obnoxious at some point on.
Yeah, I was going to say, we Asian.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, 100%.
Because now that you're're at that age where you're like, I'm that guy.
Like, you know, if I needed help and I went up to somebody, I'd be like, damn, dude.
You're not.
I thought that scene too, though, is like, Igor is
Throughout the whole film, I feel, he's always authentically himself.
He never like, he tries to be anybody else..
He never tries to be anybody else.
You, he's like, even as he's eating that burger, right?
He's just like, munching down and he's just like showing his food.
that's just like, for some people, like, like really bad manners.
Like he's just, I'm hungry, but also like, I don't care.
This is me.
Yeah, this is what they do. comrade.
Yeah.
I mean, one of the strippers in the first part of the movie said, 39 is geriatric.
And I'm like, I'm 39.
Washington, 40 is geriatric and I'm 39.
I'm like, oh, okay., I's.
I'm not going to be offended by now.
I'm not going to Yeah, I'm sure for someone in the early
20s, 40 is geriatric to them.
You know, when I was 13, I thought 30 was geriatric, man.
But he's making me sad.
I'm about to turn 37.
I'm like, wow, I don't even feel like I'm that old.
You don't even look that old, bro.
No, you don't.
Well, thanks, guys.
To me, you also don't look at old 27.
I feel like you were 27 when we met.
Perpetually 27.
Alex and Donnie, you
both look like your're early 20ss.
Not I even going to lie on you.
I'm closer to 50 than I am to 40.
How does one to tell these jeans?
Yeah.
I was at a grocery store and this kid tried to reach in front of me.
He's like, excuse me, Gramps.
And I was like, what the fuck?
I wanted to be ass, dude.
I was like, I'm gonna fuck you up, O.' like, what the hell are you taking?
That's disrespectful, bro. protect them.
That is disrespectful.
Yeah, I hate..
I hate when they hit me with a ma'am.
I'm like, I'm a ma'am now.
Yeah, yeah.
Did you guys notice?
I think the diner scene was just like re-emphasizing traditionalism, which is like the point of conflict here.
Like the fact that like his parents think like a ho is
not a good person or whatever, but it's like she could be.
Like, how do you know?
Like, how could you generalize any group?
But did you guys hear how she asked for a
She like asked for one of the pain pills.
Oh, yeah, she did.
Oh, that's what it was.
Remember earlier I was asking if she was going to absolutely do the p?
It was a pain pill.
Okay, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what it was.
She was like, can I have one of those?
And he's like, I gave them all the, what's his name?
And then he's like, because I'm not a drug dealer.
Yeah.
And I was like, not making herself look good.
That is a great point, uh, just
showing that, that sort of, uh, generational difference, I guess, in cultural difference.
But yeah, so what did you guys think about
the whole scene leading up to them finally finding
Oh, what is his name?
Sorry, I should have had this already.
Yan?
V.
Vonya.
What did you guys think about that whole scene leading up to finding him in the strip club with with the other girl?
I thought that was going to be a bigger blow up between Enora and the redhead chick
But it was still interesting, like, how just out of it he was and stuff.
But did you guys expect a bigger blow up in that?
Or did it kind of go how you were sort of thinking it was going to go?
Um, Justin, I'll start with you on that.
Me.
Um, Thanks.
Yes.
Did I expect a bigger blow up than that?
Honestly?
Yeah, I thought they were building up to something bigger just because she
was like her, the redhead chick was like her., you know, her op as the kids like to say these days.
And then for her to find him with her in the private room, I just, I don't know.
I guess I was expecting like a bigger fucking blow up in that, in that moment
I think it was like in
the moment, I feel like everything is so new and so fresh.
How would Honestly, I would have to put myself into those
shoes on like, how would I feel if I were in that situation?
Like, again, like they literally just got married the day before or whatever.
And then all this is happening all at once.
It's like she was, she immediately went to like forgive him.
She was like, she was like, I don't care.
I don't care what this looks like.
That's what surprised me.
Yeah.
Right?
Because I was like, I was like, oh, she's going to fucking have it out with Via and this one.
I forgive you.
I'm like, oh, right.
Okay.
And then, I mean, like, correct me if I'm wrong.
I mean, when it comes to any like real type of business, if
you got like in work beef, I mean, obviously she wasn't
working there anymore, but if you got like work beef,
like, uh, you know, it's kind of like you
they may have like fought a little bit,
but it probably wasn't like as big as if it would
have been like some Brando off the street.
It's like, obviously these people have worked together for a long time
to have this sort of
like friend me competition going on.
I wouldn't honestly, I feel like could
it have been a bigger ordeal in fight?
Probably, but I think
at that point in time, Anora was
also a bit over it too.
Like she was just sick and tired of this trauma going on.
She was just trying to figure out like, does this guy actually love me or not?
And
I think, I don't think, I don't think fighting this girl was really
on her bingo card that night in particular.
I don't know.
I'm curious to see what Amber has to
say about that, obviously, because I feel like, I feel like
you kind of have a better idea of like, you know, the
cattiness and the dynamics. relationships and Dude, like I said, like
professionalism in the club is not giving a fuck.
Like, I would encourage my customer, like, yeah, go get a dance with her, bro.
Like, the fuck?
Like, I don't care.
Like, they don't come there for that bullshit.
That's what they have at home, dude.
Like, chill out.
If you're going to sit with the guy and be like, a great point.
Yeah, like, don't go dance with her.
Like, bro, like the fuck?
Like, I have like eight kids.
Like, I'm not worried about you don't like her, dude.
Like, you don't, that's very unprofessional.
You don't talk to the customers about that stuff
And like, you don't care.
Like, you just don't care.
You're like, oh, he got, you got to dance with him too. bad Like, good job, girl.
Like, that's awesome.
Like, that's professionalism.
Like, if you're walking around getting salty, getting
mad, like, I just feel like Anna was more professional or
Annie was more professional than the other girl, because the other girl's like
like, if you're doing that, like you're looking desperate.
It's like, uh, like, you know what I mean?
Managers are looking at you different.
Like, are you even making any money for us, dude?
Like, like, you're, you're mad that she danced with your customer.
Like, aren't you making like $800 a night?
You should be, like, if you're doing it right?
Like, you're not
It's like, what are you doing?
you know what I mean?
Like, some girls just sit in the back on their cell phone all night.
It's like, okay, and then you want to be mad that you weren't on the floor all night.
And like that somebody else danced with your customer?
Well, where were you at?
If you really wanted to dance with them, you could have asked first.
It's just unprofessional the way the redheaded chick was acting.
And she was acting like ridiculous.
So's not to compare or anything.
I don't mean this in any disrespect at all.
But it's kind of like if I were to go out and do like
Uber or DoorDash, I can't just pick and choose who I want to.
I mean, I can.
I can't go pick and choose who I want to pick up and
what I want to do deliver.
But the thing is, is if I don't do it, I'm not going to make money.
And I mean, not to compare
it, but yeah, I mean, that's kind of how I. It's a good analy.
Yeah, yeah.
God damn it.
For my standpoint, because that's that, you know, I hook her off
my services for DoorDash and Uber.
No, for real.
It's like a man walking to this strip club.
Like, do you want a hamburger?
Like, do you want cheese on it?
Like, do you want nuggets?
Like, you're going to pick what you're into that night and it could change tomorrow night.
Like, it's like, I'll say right now, I will not want cheese on it.
No, thank you.
That could be like preckles or something.
That was like symbolic.
Yeah.
Tattoos on it is not.
You want tattoos on your order?
Well, no.
You don't like cheeseburgers?
They' so good.
I like a good cutty melts, Harnold.
Thank you very much.
I'm going out.
I got to script pubs strictly for the spaghetti buffet.
All night Sphetti.
Fredo sauce.
I go for the good IPAs on.
The red sauce.
The red sauce, strictly.
Yeah, no white sauce.
I like a green sauce, a little pesto.
A little bit aesto.
Ooh, yeah.
A little amesto supposed to eat?
I've never eaten at a strip club.
Go there for the chicken wings.
That's.
I hear they have good chicken wings.
I heard the ones in HTown, they got a lot of good food at the strip clubs.
I mean, I saw it on TikTok.
Oh, yeah, you read about it.
It's always a TikTok.
Yeah, I only read on TikTok.
All right.
Now, good stuff, guys.
So let's kind of get to the speed run this a little bit.
The court scene, I feel like,
is where the chaos really picked up again.
That was such a well
acted out, played out scene in general.
What did you guys think about the court scene in general?
Alex, let's start with you.
Oh.
That court scene.
Yeah, so that court scene was definitely very..
Like when you mentioned how this movie is
chaotic, to me, that was like, if the
strip club wasn't the most chaotic, I
think this court scene was probably the second most chaotic
You know?
Like, like just watching everything just break down.
Yeah.
Like, nobody wanted to shut up.
No.
Toros.
You know, like Anora,
like Anora just like speaking her mind and
like wanting to this relationship to like actually
what she thought would work, right?
Right.
You know, like in her head, like,
this, this was this her dream marriage, right?
Right.
She created this whole
relationship in her head.
And I think that's a what a lot of people do.
Like men, women, we all like,
when you get infatuated with a person for the first time and
like, and it's, you don't look at for the red flags, you just like see all this stuff.
You create this
idea.
And I think I've done it a lot in my, in my own life where
I created this idea of a
relationship with this person.
And whether that
was a long-lasting relationship or not,
it's still was like part of it.
Those relationships were just a story that I told myself.
And I think that became very apparent in that.
If it wasn't already apparent in like
the rest of the film, that courtroom
like just kind of sealed the deal, you know?
Yeah.
And I thought it was such a brilliant plot point where
he's like, when the lawyer turns on and he's like, you got married in Vegas?
And then then he realizes, no, you can't get an annulled here.
You have to go to Vegas.
Otherwise you have to make a request, get mail or something like that.
that was such a a great pivotal moment.
And I had no idea where it was going to go.
I had no idea that they were actually going to go back to freaking Vegas.
I'm like, wait, how much time is left in this movie?
And they still got to go to Vegas to get her
That was great.
And I also love the running thing of Toros's
car is Escalade with his bumper that came off.
That That was a good moment.
Funny moment in the movie.
Smells like vomit
I want to bring up.
I want to bring up Vegas location things because
they had a lot of cool Vegas locations, specifically, the
hotel they went to, which is actually an off-strip hotel
called the Palms, notoriously known as
the Playboy Sues Hotel,
because Hugh Hefner, because there's actually a street dedicated
to Hugh Hefner called Hugh Hefner Drive Street,
something like that. near the Palms.
And they used to have a Playboy Suite at the Palms as well, where they also filmed
the show the girls next door.
Nice.
FYI.
So it was the Palms.
That's a nice little nugget of fun facts right there.
I've stayed there a couple of times.
Yeah.
It's a nice place.
Not bad.
The poolole's nice.
You also have bothets good.
We also have a Barbie room in there.
There's all kinds of different ways.
Oh, yeah.
They have a bunch of different rooms, too.
Yeah.
Arnold, what are you munching on?
Oh, Who's the habit.
Some salad, that was already tossed.
Oh, Some of their fried fried avocados.
Oh, nice.
Shout out to Hit for the free avocad fried avocados on their app.
Nice.
We're not sponsored, but download that.
Oh, they will be.
Go ahead, Justin.
Oh, and the Little White Chapel. classic.
I mean, a lot of famous people got married at the Little White Chapel.
Oh, that's a real
Yeah, that's a real place.
That's a real chapel here in Vegasas. got married?
What's's that?
Is that where Britney Spears got married?
Yes.
Yeah, it is.
Is that the one that the one with the drive-through?
Oh, I'm not sure if it's the White Chapel specifically.
They do have a few drive-through chapels out here.
But I don't remember I went to the I went to the one like the super popular one.
I think the one that Michael Jordan got married at
has like a drive-through.
That's where I got married.
Did you really?
Wow.
That's.
That is new Alex Laura unlocked.
I didn't know that.
Wow.
Damn.
That's great.
Um, All right.
So getting to the ending really quick.
Um, I feel like this is like kind of like the biggest part of the movie.
Well, two biggest parts of the movie.
Her, I thought she was going to refuse
to get on the plane to go to Vegas.
Like, I really thought she was not going to do it.
I thought she was going to say, you no, fuck off and run off and not do it.
And then they cut to it.
She's in the jet on the way to Vegas.
And I was like, ah, okay.
I was not expecting that at all.
What What did you guys think about that moment in general
I think she was just in
a, like between a rock and a hard place, right?
Like, she's not going to get the money if
she, you know, she at least needs to get something.
And especially with the way her, Vanya's mom puts it, like,
like when she threatends to Sue, she's
like, do you have a car?
That's gone.
You have a house?
That's gone.
He just calls out everything.
Like, you're going to be tied up in court if you try to sue me, right?
Like, so that like she was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
She had to go
you know?
No, but that's what I didn't get because like, she didn't have shit.
Like I would have been like, sure, sue me.
Mu, you, I'm getting2 million.
You're going to get $2.
Fuck you, bitch.
Like that's what I would have said.
Yeah, but That's the thing, though.
But that's the thing, though.
She's they're an oligarch.
They control.
They have like so much money, they could just like buy their way into like things.
And regardless of like if it's like she had $2 or
$100 billion, you know, like
wealthy, especially if like if they were both
wealthy, there was just going to be like playing this game for the rest of their lives, right?
But she's not.
She can't play She can't afford to play that game.
Yeah, she'd run out of money before she even made it in there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah, and then't
they promised her $10,000 cash, which I thought like, that doesn't even seem like a lot.
Well, that, see, that's $10,000 was
the green card fee.
Like if you so, if you get into a marriage, like I
have several friends who have gotten,
you know, helped up for other friends to get
their citizenship and get their green card.
And that was the fee, $10,000 them.
That's a lot of money, I guess for that.
Usually it's like five grand up front, and then at
the end, like of like the
five,000 or I think it's three years in order to get your green card..
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
I remember some aunties before they approached me and they're
like, I think it was it was like 30,000 and then oh, it's okay.
They're only near a third cousin
You just have to go, you know, if you do it, you get paid
and then you, it's only for like two or three years and
then, you, well, you got to take some pictures.
You go.
You go eat dinner, places?
Yeah.
So, I think the payout was a little bit better.
If you go on the Philippines.
You know, that shit's crazy.
They said They said people to your house unexpectedly.
They qu question you like weird shit.
Like, what position?
Oh, really?
Yeah, it's crazy.
What position was he's going through it?
Like, they'll question you like personal shit.
Like, what position does he like to fuck?
No.
Really?
Yeah, I. Are they like, okay, you both got to say it on the count of three.
One, two, three.
Dr. me.
Um, I just try to find holes in your story, right?
Because a lot of people.
That's wild, dude.
Yeah, it's wild.
I don't think they go that far.
I don't there'd be like like the, it got more stri over the years
Well, that's crazy.
Who knows how it is?
That's crazy.
Because like I remember when I had to go to
the lawyer and like the judges
and stuff like that, we, well, my ex-wife
and I now, uh, when we went in front of the judges
or whatever, I can't, it's so blurry.
But I remember bringing in boxes of like photos from weddings and
things like that.
Like, like just stuff from over time, you
kind of had to like have your, your,
all your eyes dotted and your T's crossed.
That's so interesting.
I have my I can't believe I was ever a factor.
I'd have my eyes crossed, my T's dotted.
Your eyes are always crossed. your toes crossed too, rightder, Arnold.
Your T. My feet will be clapping. cross your teethees?
crossing I have that experience, though. with My
dad, I don't know if you guys remember me telling that on the Four Decisions
podcast, but remember how like my dad married
somebody from like Peru and there was like a whole big thing going on.
I vaguely remember this., yeah.
I don't recall this.
They promised my dad like
$10,000 for something like that.
They're like, oh, we'll pay you $10,000 if you marry our daughter.
And so we went through the whole thing and I was a witness to
the to the ceremony and everything.
Wow.
And they ended up ripping my dad off
and not paying them.
Oh, fuck, dude.
Dude, yeah.
But like, he didn't he was dumb.
He didn't ask for any kind of money up front or nothing like that.
And I'm I'm not even going to lie.
Like, they were nice people.
Like they they treated us really well.
They gave us tons of food.
They invited us to all the parties
And even after my dad had like the big old like,
downfall with them, they still invited me and my brother because they liked us
that are like, ah, yeah, we're having a party.
That's.
That's also the story that
it's like, real quick, I'm just going to briefly go into into it.
But that's also the story when I
always tell people, I was like, oh yeah, I like dated my aunts or whatever because
because my dad married the.
You Justin Moore unlocked.
My dad married this girl named Susie, right?
from Peru.
And then, like, I met.
I met this girl named Johanna at the party.
And this was when I was like, I don't know, like 16, 17 or whatever.
And then, um
and then I started talking to this girl and then then like
we decided to go on a date, like not too long after.
And then I found out like later down the line that,
that the girl that my dad married was actually her sister.
I was like, oh, shit, it's.
Roll time.
It was crazy.
Anyway, we had a good time, and that's the end of that story.
My dad got screwed out of $10,000.
And
on top of that, they gave him what I
apparently they said it was a Peruvian gold ring or something like that.
And then my dad, my dad, he
was a terrible person, but I guess he went to the pawn shop and then
the pawn shop said, oh, this isn't real gold.
It's just Peruvian gold.
It then my dad came over and he's like, he's like, you told
Mary Dipsson is Peruvian gold.
And then, and then he's like, yeah, it's not.
It's not even gold.
Yeah, it was, it was a whole..
Anyway.
Don't.
Pervian gold, a.k.a Fool's Gold?
Fool's gold.
It's funny that you mentioned that I just watched
Paddington Bear, the movie, Bey goes.
Oh, and he goes to Peru, yeah.
Yeah, he's looking for the gold and and it turns to be El Dorado Oranges.
That's what they.
I can't believe he got screwed.
I mean, even a winning DJ asked for a depositive up front, your dad should have asked for something up front.
You know what I mean?
Well, he didn't make the best best decisions.
That's why he lives on my shelf now.
He should make a poor decision for honor.
Let's.
Let's talk about the ending of this
movie, which I feel is going to be the most talked about scene in the whole thing
Yeah.
Well, actually, no, let's get back just really quick.
The conversation that she has with Igor at the house,
and she's like, what the fuck are you doing?
Like, the way are you talking to me?
Like, I don't fucking know you guys.
Like, I'm not trying to have a conversation.
He's like laughing his ass off.
And she's like, you fucking
would have raped me, wouldn't you?
He's like, no, I'm not a rapist, though.
And I was like, what is this conversation?
Toosh.
What is this movie?
Yeah.
So, um, that was an interesting scene.
Any thoughts on that scene before we wrap her up?
I, I really like that scene, actually.
I really think that that's where you see
Annie starting to, her wall is starting to come down.
Yeah.
You know, for him.
And And I don't think he was intentionally trying to
like fall in love with her or anything like that.
It was just all kind of just happenstance.
And like he was just trying to be kind and be compassionate.
And I found that conversation about their names very interesting
Because you look at the
way that Honora and, because Vanya's
name is Ivan, Ivan, you know?
But they always prefer to be known as Annie. and Vanya, right?
But those, see, those are kind of like
their pseudonyms, right?
They're like, like that's who they're pretending to be, right?
But like, when they have that, when Igor has
that conversation with Anor at the very end, he's like,
like, what kind of name is it?
She's like, what kind of name was Igor?
It's like ugly.
He's like, he's like, what do you mean?
I like my name.
He's, and like, like going back to what I said, he's always authentically himself
And so he's like, Igor means warrior.
It's like, I love my name.
And like, he's like, I love your name, Anora.
I like that better than Annie.
And so like, it's kind of this paradox
between like, you know, that situation with Ann
Annieie and Vanya versus
Anora and Igor, right?
They're being real with each other.
They're being authentic with each other and he's trying to like
show that he could, she could be like authentic with him.
And then you see at the very, like when they go to bed, she gives him a blanket.
Like that's kind of like her as like, like
like giving in like, oh, yeah, I'm being nice to you.
You know, and I felt I found that very endearing.
Like that's when you start to see that like she,
she just won't wants to be loved
And like, like I said, like her her her
walls are starting to come down and she's starting to see that somebody actually cares for her.
Like, regardless if it's a job or not, you know, it's like.
yeah, he's doing his job, but he's like actually caring about this.
Like there's people who like work at retail stores, but they really
love working at a retail store and really put their heart into it, right?
You know, and they give their, they give their all.
And,
and I think that's like the same situation, but it turns out to
be like she ends up falling for him.
And that makes sense for the next scene, which is the final scene of
the movie where he's dropping her off at home and
then he tells her, hey, and then he gives her the ring back, the ring that
uh, I think it was Toros that took from her
earlier in the movie..
And uh, and then she sort of like stares at him and
she, I don't even know how to decipher the look on her face.
I guess it was a look of, I don't know, like a surprise,
I don't know what it was exactly, but,
and then she like closes the door and
what happens next, she straddles them and then they..
Spin on that thing.
Yeah, they, they, they do the thing.
And then he like kind of chokes her a little bit.
Not like choking her to hurt her, obviously
And then she like stops him and then she fucking just falls to pieces in his lap.
So, and then it just cuts to black with the sound effects underneath.
But yeah, that was felt like a very poignant scene.
And I didn't know how to feel about it initially, but now that you've said that that, Alex, like I guess it
is like, it's about like the connection that she found
that she found with him like last second, I guess.
Is that sort of how you guys interpreted it?
Yeah.
I think I think that's like
the whole point of that.
It's it's the culmination of all that.
Like she's starting to see what, like
what she had gone through and how that wasn't.
She's understanding what true, true love is in compassion.
Because like if you think about it,
if that if Annie and Vanya, if their marriage lasted, right?
So they didn't get annulled or whatever.
Do you think that they actually have a lasting relationship?
They'd resent each other.
Because they don't I don't think they like.
So
in relationships, you have to allow people
to grow and accept them for the
inevitability that they will change, that people will change.
And I don't think that would ever happen with Annie and Vanya.
I do think that would happen with Igor and Honora.
And she's understanding that difference now when it comes to real love
That's a great point.
But when it comes to Ivan, though, like they
even bring it up, they say, like, he's a child.
I mean, yeah, he is.
Mentally.
He's a child.
Mentally, he's a child.
Yeah, mentally.
He takes no responsibility for anything and doesn't give a shit
And throughout the movie, it kind of reveals
itself as time time goes on that, yeah, this
dude is an irresponsible Nepo baby.
like half of the movie that he was going to end up being like underage.
And she like fucked him.
I was like, dude, is he been?
That's what I thought.
That's what I thought, too.
Yes.
Like, I know he said he was 21, but I was like, bro, he has like his chest.
Like that looks 14.
I was waiting for that reveal.
I'm like, oh, man, like, this is it.
They're going to reveal it.
He's he's not even
20, whatever he was they say 2021 or whatever?
Yeah, 21.
No, well, good stuff.
We're going to go around really quick
and just kind of give our final thoughts in general because we we could have went a little long here.
Amber, I'll start with you.
But yeah
Any final thoughts you wanted to share about this movie and
where can people find you on your socials?
Okay, my final thoughts are just like, when they were driving
around New York, like looking for Vanya, it was like unrealistic.
This is the only thing I didn't like about the movie.
It was like unrealistic and weird that everybody, everywhere spoke Russian.
Like they were like damn near in Moscow as much as like, I was like, wait, this is New York City.
Like, why is everybody speaking Russian?
Like, everywhere they go?
This is weird.
So, yeah, that,
I thought that was like not done well.
Like that's not realistic.
Like, I lived in New York City.
Like, that doesn't make any sense.
That's interesting
I mean.
Yeah, what do you guys want to say?
Oh, so, just your So, yeah, what would you what would
you rate this movie and and where can people find you
on on the internet?
webs?
I would rate it like an 8.5
and you guys can follow me at that Denver girl
and on Instagram
Cool.
Well, thank you, Amber
Let's go to you, Alex.
Any final thoughts you wanted to share and where can people find you?
So, uh you can find me at Daily Dares.
Just skip this out of the way at Daily Dares at any of all the
socials and then also check out my Depot.
You could find the link to my depop there as well.
What is a Depot, like a store, like a marketplace?
Yeah, it's on my use
clothing, vintage.
A little bit more curated than like Mercari or Poshmark.
Yeah.
And yeah, but it's more hip.
All the hipsters going.
I hate that.
It's where all the shoe heads go to buy.
Oh, the shoe heads.
No.
The shoeheads, there's another one like that's even more popular
than Deepop..
Because Deepop is like, everybody's just trying to.
X, yeah.
Yeah, Stock X. That's the one.
That's the one.
Nice.
So yeah, yeah, I feel like,
so with this movie, I'm attracted
to love stories.
I I'm a huge softy for
romantic movies, even though it's like not really.
It's a love story, but it's like not what you think.
It's one of my favorite genres.
And it kind of just one
of the things I kind of discovered that I found this
podcast called Modern Love.
And they recently did an interview with this musician, Lucy Dacas.
And one of thing she said was in that
podcast, she said, like, you know, expectations
are premeditated resentments.
And so what I've noticed in
this film is that like,
Anora had these expectations
of her relationship with Vanya, right?
Like they get married and like she has this
like, like that story that she tells in her head.
But it's basically just these expectations
And they end up becoming resentments, you know?
And I think that's one of those things that like it's, that's one
of the, the, the, I guess the moral to
the tale is like, you need to be, be aware of like our
you know, what, when we go into relationships,
we know what we're getting into and be like communication is key.
And I think one of the thing is like, um,
the biggest mistake that people
make with communication is to assume that it occurred.
And I think that's what happened in this film.
You know, you just kind of like, like, oh, yeah, they're having this good time.
And like, they think they had communicated with each
other, but like really, like like they never did.
And there's like, um, Annie had this idea of
what the relationship with the marriage was.
And then
Vanya had another thing and his was just like, I'm having fun.
Thanks for.
Thanks for having, like having my last time at America
be a good one, like what he says in the film.
So that's that's kind of like the whole, like for
me, like what I got out of the film, it's
you know, just be realistic.
Like it's okay to have obligations and intentions
because obligations are like, you're obligated to do something,
but if it falls through, it falls through,
Intentions are things that you intend to do.
Like they're kind of loose as well, but when the expectations, like to me they're feel
like more like ultimatums, like passive aggressive ultimatums, you know?
And I think that's for me, a big lesson in this film.
Well,, very well said.
Thank you for that, Alex.
You're going to be the Roger Ebert of this show one day, I promise you that.
I always appreciate your your insights on that sort of thing.
So thanks for that.
Good stuff, good stuff.
After you just said expectations are bad, you're like, when expectations on?
Oh, God
I'm sorry.
Thanks, dude.
You going tore going to end up resenting me again.
You know, you're sending an intention.
I am out my way.
We need to I'm manifesting it for you.
Yeah.
Did she say that in the fucking movie?
Yeah. to someone, she says it to another she'll be like, oh, you're mad at it's good that you have.
Oh, yeah.
You're manifesting or whatever.
Yeah, at the very beginning.
Yeah, Justin, let's go to you next.
Final thoughts and where can people find you?
You can't find me anywhere.
Try finding me and I'll kill you.
Anyway, no.
Thoughts?
I mean, like, I feel like we covered a lot of it while we were discussing the episode.
I mean, this was very well filmed.
A lot of unknown actors and I, and I feel like that's like
a current trend in filmmaking that I've been appreciating lately
is that finally people are starting to take
like, was it risks on having new actors.
But Sean Baker is known for doing that in general.
Like he's known from just pulling from his source,
you know, like wherever he's filming it, he's, he just pulls, you know, amazing actors
And Adrian, you're muted.
Sorry.
I think his next movie, I bet you he's going to have some big,
big name star or stars in it, because that Oscar
win, all of those Oscar wins that put them on the map, you know what I mean?
Right.
I mean, yeah, and that's crazy because Florida Project was really, really good
I'm not sure.
It was.
Red Rocket was really, really good.
I need to watch that one.
So, I mean, yeah, I think Sean Baker
is on a fast track to something.
I hope, I honestly hope he doesn't give into
Hollywood, man.
They're going to try to get him to direct a fucking Marvel movie or something.
Don't say that.
No, you'll see.
They're going to die. or a DC. If they were
to do any more, if he was to do any Marvel movie, it would have
to do with something involving Wanda and Vision.
And I think he would be perfect for that.
But hey, I'm not going to say that anymore.
Well, he said that at the independent Spirit
Awards that he's like a lifelong indie, indie film guy.
He said he's When
he was accepting his award at the independent Spirit Awards, he says, I'm I'm
a independent filmmaker lifer.
There you go.
Amber, you were saying something?
Yeah, you were saying it, but
I said Wonder Woman sells pussy on the side.
That's his marvel one.
Yeah.
That will I' watch.
Cool.
I didn't I didn't think about Sean
Baker going for DC. Hey, you never know.
Anyway,
Where can people find you?
Yeah, well, if you see the thing here
where I'm pointing, that's my tag.
It's the zombie on social media.
Yeah, just find me on Instagram and then you can like
follow the links to everything else I do
because I do too much.
Anyway, I am I'm going to give this movie, because
I'm not I've explained my thoughts and feelings of this movie while we were recording here.
So I'm not going to dive into it.
I'm just going to say, hey, I'm giving this movie a four out of five.
Did it deserve the Oscar?
Abs so fucking lutely.
There are some things I wish it could
things that could probably change, but it's a wonderful movie.
I didn't expect where it was going to go.
I honestly went into it thinking this was going to be straight up
a romance movie, but it's like, it's like a romance
drama that's kind of mixed up with how Uncut Gems is filmed a little bit.
Uncut gems.
Don't get me wrong.
That movie's intense.
And I've only watched it once and there's a reason why I've only watched it once.
Not that it's like
like too intense or anything.
This is how I win.
I just get stressed the fuck out.
And that movie stresses me out.
I'm like, Anyway, four, four and
a half out of five, find me on Letterbox and
bent's my review, yo.
Thank you so much.
Don.
Oh, I think I forgot to give my star rating.
Oh, what was
Mine one was four and a half as well.
Nice.
Oh, nice.
Donnie, let's go to you.
Any final thoughts and where can people find you?
Oh, you're on mute.
You're on mute.
Oops.
You can find me on on my socials Instagram, mainly
underscore Donnie Appleseed all spelled out.
Let's see.
What did I think about the film?
I thought it was a really good film.
All I I saw was the trailer prior to you know, going into this.
It didn't make me want to watch the movie when I saw in the theaters.
And I talked a little bit about that at the beginning, but, you know, I didn't know what's it expect.
It was really good.
I had a lot of people tell me that it wasn't a good movie
and then it ended up winning all these awards.
And so I was like, oh, I wonder how this is going to play out, right?
I wonder what I'm going to feel like.
But it was a really good movie.
I didn't think it was slow at all.
I thought it was paced well. and I thought every
scene was intentionally put there in for good reason, right?
So I give it also a 4.5 out of 5.
Nice.
Thanks for that, Donnie.
Arnold, let's go to you next.
What did you think?
Any final thoughts and work in people find you?
Oh, so you can find me right there at
Arnie Colliggo on all the socials
Instagram, TikTok, everywhere.
I, uh,
I thoroughly, I enjoyed the movie.
I thought I thought it was pretty good.
when I watched it again?
Yes, I watched it again.
And I probably need to watch it again.
Because there was, you know, as we were talking about this, I
was I watched it last night and and I I was like thinking, man, I need to watch it again.
I can't remember
some of the scenes.
And have you guys ever anybody take
heard of Lion's Maine.
I started taking stuff to try and help with my memory.
Oh, yeah.
I thought you were about to.
I bet you were about to say, have any of you guys taken crack?
done line.
Yeah, that was like 25 years ago, man.
No, I just take lion's mine, man.
But obviously not enough. because I
was struggling to try to remember.
I guess I guess the parts where they were looking for Vanya
was was a little a little cloudy for me.
Maybe it could also be like a I was talking about the meal that I had.
I was a little full, got a little sleepy there.
Oh, I start eating popcorn too, for whatever reason.
You know,
Mo, popcorn, you, you got to have it.
And so made some popcorn, even though I was full.
Dipping dots.
Yeah.
But, but, um..
Overall, my rating for it?
Oh, first of all, is Z rating.
I would give it probably a..
No, Amber, I do this thing called the Z rating and it's, you know, will I follow asleep?
If I have like two, three Zs, that means I fell asleep for sure.
And
so that that's like.
So the lower the Z rating, the better, basically.
So yeah, if it's zero Zs, it's really good per.
If it's zero Zs and after a full meal, that's pretty good.
So I had a pretty heavy meal
and I'd say I half a Z because there was one point where I know I was like.
And then my wife looks at me and
then and I play it off like I'm like I was just breathing like,
And, uh,
but And so maybe those parts I don't really remember, but
My overall rating, I'd say I give it a
I give it a a three and a half, a three and a half.
I feel like if I watch it again, maybe I'll give it a four, but
because of how
when all these Oscars, it made me more excited to
want to watch it, got even more excited when I was like, oh, I don't know.
It was this kind of movie.
And, oh,
we didn't even talk about all all the weed smoking and all the pens and everything.
Man, there was a whole lot in there.
I felt like a lions man at one point.
Lions man.
I got somewhere right here.
You know what?
And as our count as our 420 episode.
Did I see Vanya with a special sleepwatch?
L's my name.
A mushroom powder..
Okay.
Yeah.
Last week I had the wave watch
The other week I had the Electrocutes here.
I got a lion's name.
Let's see you do a line of li's mane.
Might make me do a heel clap or something.
I think that's illegal in certain countries.
Just a little deal of bumsky.
A little tiny bumsky.
I just add it to my crack.
I mean my coffee.
Did you give your socials?
I don't know if you gave your socials.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I did.
Arnie.
Everywhere.
At Arnie Caligo.
All right.
Where y'all can find me.
Hmm.
Sam.
Adrian.
Yes, sir.
Have you given yours?
I'm glad you asked, Arnold, because.
No, you know, my final thoughts, after
discussing it with you guys, I'm going to actually bump up there.
I was going to give it a three and a half.
I'm actually going to bump it up to four because
Alex brought up so many great points about sort of Anora's
sort of psyche and where she was at during the course of
this story that I hadn't really considered.
I think I and speaking of expectations, I think I had certain expectations that weren't meant.
And that's kind of all on me for having any kind of preconceived notions about this movie
So, you know, after discussing with you guys, I feel like I
actually understand it better now,
which is why I'm bumping up the rating.
Because initially I thought, you know, she's kind of along for the ride.
She kind of doesn't have as much agency as as I was expecting her to have throughout the story.
But
after discussing it here, I feel like I
understand it a lot better and her journey throughout and sort of her character development.
You know what I mean, throughout the story.
So I found all that very interesting.
I feel like Mikey Madison really fucking carries this movie.
She's only 25 years old.
I mean, I don't even know where I, what I was doing at 25.
But my God, did she carry this fucking movie?
And she deserves the Oscar for Best actors.
She really does. and Best Picture and
best director for Sean Bakeraker, Best Editor, and Best original screenplay.
Like, that's an insane amount of Oscars to win
on a $6 million budget film,
directed by a guy who's done three, four movies prior to this?
No, just three, right?
Florida Project, Red Rocket, Tangerine.
And maybe there's one more I'm not thinking about.
But, I mean, good for him, man.
That is an amazing achievement.
And I feel like
in a way, we're sort of entering this sort of Renaissance age
for like indie movies, you know, like in the
90s, you had the big Weinstein budgeted movies where,
right, with Kevin Smith and Tarantino and all those guys.
I feel like we're entering that sort of an era again in this day and age, which is great
right?
Because in the age of superhero movies and and fucking
big budget, big tenpole IP stuff, like, you
know, we we need these sort of movies, right?
We need like these smaller stories that still have a big emotional impact.
So four stars out of five for me on Letterboxd, you can find me on Letterboxed
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Are those slides?
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Nice.
Oh, look how flexible he is, Dan.
Ow.