We discuss the divisive film A Serbian Film (2010). Logline: An aging adult film star agrees to participate in an "art film" to make a clean break from the business, only to discover he’s been tricked into something far darker—a project involving extreme and illegal content. Few films have sparked as much debate as A Serbian Film. While some argue it’s a bold commentary on exploitation and oppression, others see it as shock value taken to disturbing extremes. Its graphic and taboo subject matter has led to outright bans in several countries, with many viewers walking away deeply upset. Supporters of the film claim it uses extreme horror as a metaphor for political and social struggles, comparing its visceral impact to the way a country might be torn apart by outside forces. However, critics argue that even if there’s deeper meaning, the film’s unflinching brutality overshadows any intended message. The result? A movie that’s either thought-provoking or purely exploitative, depending on who you ask. Because of its controversial nature, A Serbian Film remains one of the most hotly debated horror movies of all time—but it’s definitely not for the faint of heart.
In this heated discussion, the gang tackles one of the most controversial horror films ever made—A Serbian Film (2010). Justin defends the movie, arguing that beneath its extreme content lies a sharp critique of exploitation, both in the adult film industry and under oppressive systems. He acknowledges how hard it is to watch but insists the film forces viewers to confront uncomfortable truths about power, consent, and dehumanization.
The rest of the crew isn’t so convinced. Alex admits they had to pause multiple times just to get through it, calling the experience "emotionally exhausting." Arnold agrees, saying the ending left him deeply unsettled—not in a thought-provoking way, but in a "why did I just watch that?" way. Adrian, ever the dark humorist, chimes in with an unexpected take: "There were moments so over-the-top that I laughed, but I’m still not sure if the movie wanted me to laugh or if it was just so insane that it looped back around to funny."
As the debate continues, the group wrestles with whether A Serbian Film is a daring provocation with something to say or just an endurance test in shock value. One thing’s for sure—no one walked away unaffected.
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What movie are we discussing tonight, guys?
We're discussing Airboot 2.
No, we're doing the 2010 A Serbian film
Directed by a guy whose name I can't pronounce.
Starring David Spade.
No, Logline, Retired
porn star Milos, leads a normal fan. family life trying to make ends meet.
That sounds relatable.
Presented with the opportunity of a lifetime to financially support his family for the rest of their lives
Milos must participate in one last mysterious film.
From then on, Milos is drawn into a maelstrom
of unbelievable cruelty and mayhem.
That's the 2010 log line for a Serbian film.
And I don't know any of these people are because it is
a literal Serbian film made in Serbia
with Serbian cast and crew.
So I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce their names, so they can barely speak English, so let alone that.
But anyway, that's the movie.
Who chose this movie, by the way?
I have to know.
Inquiring Minds must know.
Justin.
I. It is you.
I have risen
I thought you were shit posting at first, but
now I want to know now, why did you choose this movie, by the way?
So, okay.
There's a lot of movies out
there that everybody's like, oh, you know, I don't know.
It seems like everybody tries to one one up each other on,
oh, I watch this most fucked up movie of all time.
Oh, yeah, well, this one's really fun.
Everybody just kind of like one-ups each other or tries to.
However, I don't, in my opinion opinion, I don't think
although, given the circumstances of
the film that we've watched, I don't think this is
the most fucked up thing I've personally ever seen.
Um, I feel like there are far more worse things.
Also, going into this, knowing that it is just a movie
The scenes that you see are
fake, although they're very gruesome and rooted in reality.
I guess my point of showing this movie to you is
for the fact that it is a culturally
significant film when it comes to these styles of film.
And a lot of other films have attempted, you know, to one up it.
But I think this is one of those ones that it's like
um, I don't want to say respectable,
but it, it kind of draws
its point in with its theming, uh,
and its, uh, relation to like real world things that happen.
Um, although it's a very dark and gritty
and vile piece of work.
It's still a film that people made
and that that is kind of sort of my reasoning behind it.
No, But I would like, I would like to get into it a
little bit more, and then I can, you know, bring
up other points as we discuss it, but that is kind of sort of my reason for it.
It's like
it is it is shocking.
And it is a reality
that is out there, possibly somewhere.
And it is a movie that addresses
it in its own way, even though it's it is related to
a lot of political commentary as well.
So Gotcha.
No, that's interesting.
So you'd seen this before then?
You'd seen one before.
I've seen this movie one time before.
Once before.
Yes.
But who else hasn who hadn't it?
The rest of us hadn't it because I'tn't seen it before, obviously.
I haven't heard I've not seen it.
Guess what?
Yeah, I've never seen it yet.
Never seen it at all.
It's the name of the show.
Oh, we did the thing.
No.
the title.
He said the title.
He said the title.
I said the title.
Now, you know, I'm glad you said that because I was thinking about it.
I'm still kind of, especially after last night watching it last
night I'm still kind of processing it 24 hours later.
But I've had some time to think on it.
And
I read about it a little bit.
I read like, I always like to Google search Reddit.
Does anyone else do that?
Because Google search sucks.
So I put like Google you Google Reddit and then it's Reddit.
Yeah, and then I go onto Reddit.
Okay.
So I was reading Incognito mode.
I Google S teams I' about Google
I think I'm on several lists now, thanks to this movie.
So thanks for that, Justin.
Hey, you're welcome anytime.
That's what I'm here for.
The discourse is interesting because I feel like it's either people really hate it.
It's trash, it's this, it's that.
Or they're like, no, it's actually
deeper than that, man.
It's like, there's more to it.
There's more, there's themes about, I guess war and the things that Serbian people go through.
And that's why I wanted to research it as much as I did because I have no context for this movie.
I don't know anything about Serbia, a typical American, right?
I don't I don't know
history, culture, none of that.
So I looked up the Wikipedia page as well, as they did.
And I found some reviews, which I'll talk about later.
I thought they were interesting reviews.
So I was going to mention those.
And yeah, I, I'm almost kind of torn.
Like part of me feels like it's outlandish and over the top and it's silly.
And then part of me feels like, well, but there's some dark shit in there.
Like, like 80% is like out loud.landish and silly and then you have that bottom 20%
that really fucks you.
Yeah.
It's definitely a movie that,
just when you think that it couldn't possibly get any worse.
It does.
It's like, it's like the entire time it's one upping itself.
It's like, oh, okay, you think that was fucked up?
We're going to show you this thing that's even more fucked up.
Yeah, I get that.
Yeah, that is.
Yeah.
Arnold, let's start with you.
I'm interested in hearing your thoughts because I think we all, did we all watched it last night?
No, I watched watched it two nights ago.
Yeah, I watched it last night.
Okay.
I have something.
So then was your day today, Alex?
Yeah.
Was it weird?
Because I watched it.
Was my day weird?
Yeah, Were you in a weird mindset?
No, no.
The dog was.
Oh, yeah.
The dog did not like a Serbian film.
So So I watched it two nights ago.
And then yesterday, it was a long day at work for me.
I had a
we worked.
I worked and then we had an event, the Indian
Wells tennis Garden for the a
tennis event, which dinner and tennis.
And so I had to get like,
man, that movie messed me up.
I had to like afterwards, I
was like, I need to watch some cartoons or I
think I watched like some sports highlights and and
watched some like Food Network or something, some food stuff.
I was like,
Yeah..
Oh, man.
That was like, it was like traumatizing.
And then, oh, you were talking about how
earlier, you did a little Googling, Adrian, you'll be happy.
I didn't Google about it.
I chat GPT'd about it.
And that's a dance Googling, by the way.
Yeah, yeah.
The producer should't Spasol Javich.
Yeah.
He claimed that the film
Spassozzevic.
Okay.
According to ChatGPT
says, he claimed that the film is a metaphor of how the Serbian government
exploits its people, particularly artists and the vulnerable
But for many viewers, the extreme violence, sexual
content and disturbing themes cross the line into pure
shock value rather than meaningful commentary.
But
there is more to that.
ChatGPT is pretty cool.
Now, okay.
Oh, I did fall asleep a little bit because what did I eat?
I ate somewhat heavy meal and
I'm kind of glad that I
I dozed off.
Because the version I watched it,
it was free and included ads.
And so then so there was like a ton of ads.
It seemed like every 10 minutes.
And then on the last, I remember looking at it, there was like
nine, nine minutes and 40 something seconds left.
There was, there ads were run twice in
those last nine minutes and 40 something seconds.
And um
Oh, that's.
and so it, I don't know how long the movie was, but it took like over two hours for me to watch it.
But I think I dozed out for probably about a good 20 minutes.
And then when I woke up and it was just like
more extreme stuff and like, I'm not going to rewind this.
I'm just going to keep going.
and, oh, gosh, there there's..
I even, okay. in my chat GBT,
you know, you know, it'll ask you because what
I initially asked it was, is there any insight you
can give me about the movie,
A Serbian film, which I thought was completely filthy
And then one of the the
things that ended with it you know, because it
always asks you a question and it says it sounds like you were pretty disgusted by it.
Was there anything in particular that made it feel especially filthy to you?
And then, and then, uh, I put in there that it was like
uh, so disturbing and difficult to watch.
I don't even want to mutter or text it because it's so beyond
my boundary and coverehension of filled.
You are still banned from Chat GPT.
Hey, but then,
I started telling Chad GPT about our podcast.
Our podcast?
I never seen a podcast?
Yes.
Yes.
I put it on there.
Yeah, because
we do a podcast called Never Seen a P and we watch different movies.
And then they asked, what's the next movie?
And then, I wasn't sure which one, but I started talking about
Taxi Driver and how he used to be an Uber driver and a guy showed me his penis and stuff.
And so.
What?
Chat GBT said this?
Oh, no, I told that the Chat GPT, but it
asked me what's like the stuff, the chat G. Yeah.
Chat GPT showed to you his penis or he was an Uber driver before?
He became GPT.
C. giant penis text.
It's like, hey, remember me, Elliot?
JGPT is going to seek out therapy because of you now, Arnold.
Good job.
Good job.
Yeah, uh,
This movie, never seen it and never will watch it again.
I don't think.
Same, same.
Same.
But man, it it uh..
I mean, for the
director to have thought of it, you know, I mean, people, they create these things
because they have, there's some sort of idea that
they get, some sort of inspirationation, I presume.
I remember being in
Yeah.
at Comic-Con at one of the first saw,
I think first or second sawaw panels.
And then the directors were there and they talked about
someone asked them, I'm not sure if it was a question from the audience
or maybe the moderator, but they're like, it
was just something so wild, like, how the heck did you come up with that?
And and then, and then their thing is
always to try and push the boundaries of things that
that's never been seen, never been thought of.
And they try to go to that
that far a place.
And they do so in a way to entertain.
I just didn't find this because like,
you know, there probably is a lot of truth to it.
And that is like horrifying to me.
And it's just,
ah, man.
You know, I didn't find it entertaining.
I, I wanted to say, like, because you
bring up a good point, Arnold, and it's like, um,
at what point does it cross the line from
it being art and then it being just grotesque, just to be grotesque
and vile.
And like, I feel like movies like Saw is a
pretty good point because for its time.
And I you can say this about a lot of like horror thrillers
and slashers is it's like, Texas Chainainsaw
Massacre at one point in time was considered extremely
vile and gruesome and now it's like a classic
and everybody watches it.
And then you have movies like Saw, where it's like, yeah,
they have some grotesque, vile moments
or hostile, which is another, another series of
movies that are pretty vile as well.
And it's like, at what point do you guys feel that
it crosses the line between it being art and meaningful and
it just being an unpurposul
event that is taking place.
That's a great question.
And for me, personally, it was the very, very end.
It was a very, it was, it was so
I'll talk about this a little bit, but some
fucked up shit happens with this guy, his wife, and his kid.
And then they go home and you think, okay, it's over.
They've just experienced this crazy traumatic event.
The movie's just going to end and cut to black, right?
And then, and then the next fucked up thing happens,
which is they're in bed together and
the three of them, and then he fucking has a gun and angled
it in a way where he can shoot all three of them.
And then he does it.
They don't show it.
They don't show it. which I was like, surprised.
It's like, okay, I respect that.
Movie's over.
And then it's not.
And there's one more final thing, and then it cuts to black.
And I'm like, okay, okay, now you're just, you now you're fucking with me.
Now you're Now you're're really trying to get a reaction
enemy by, you know, one, one thing after the other, after the other.
So for me, it was that
personally.
So, you know.
I have a little story about like, um, when I was younger, when I was working at V Depot.
What does your jacket say, by the way?
I have to know.
Sorry, Alex.
Drive.
Nice.
Drive.
Like the movie.
Yeah, yeah.
Nice.
It's actually..
Oh, I thought like sexualual drive.
No.
Oh, look at that.
I love that.
Yeah, yeah.
Scorpion
anyway.
Anyways. saw Scorpion drive, yeah.
Anyways, um when
I was working with Chris Devlin, we talked about our mutual.
Oh, my old co-worker, Chris Devlin.
At the time, I was like, I was interested in like,
oh, I want to try to write movies or direct or whatever.
And I was writing scenes, right?
And I showed showed him one scene because he was also too
interested in becoming like a director or whatever.
Excuse me.
And in that scene, I can't even remember the storyline.
It was like a crime drama, but it was like, it depicted,
the scene depicted a kid getting shot,
like, in broad daylight, right?
And he goes, you know,
that kind of footage would interestingly give you an NC-17.
And this
was in the 90s, and then the time I was like, oh, wow, that's interesting.
And so
when I saw this movie, and I know that
it got an NCC7. here in America, right?
I think that was what I was reading in the wiki.
I found it interesting that in
the wiki, it also describes how in Serbia
there's like, while it is very conservative there, they
don't really have a rating system there.
So a lot of the stuff, they could like actually,
like, if they wanted to in theaters, they could show like
a lot of the stuff that you wouldn't allow.
There's like still countries that have it banned.
Like it just got, the band on this film just got lifted like a few years ago
by Brazil.
So, it was
just an an interesting anecdote that like when I thought about like
that scene in at the end.
And, you know, just throughout the whole film with like
whenever I had like stuff with children in it and especially that one scene, I was like, ugh.
Yeah, it was it was very disturbing.
And I could see why that like that just instantly crosses the line for things.
Because like for me, like personally, like harm in a movie
like in film, when it comes to children, that really crosses the line.
Like, there's movies who've been able to deathly do it well.
Like, like, they don't show it on screen,
but they have inference to it, right?
I can't I don't have any examples of what happened
of any of those films, but I know for a fact that I've seen some films where
there's a child getting hurt or killed.
But they don't show it on screen.
Yeah.
Or they don't even show any like sort of like, like
mild reference to it, like how they did in this film.
It was just like completely off off camera
that they just say, this happened, you know?
Right.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
If there's one thing I learned from this film is
never trust a guy who wears Oakley's.
Just the worst brand sunglasses ever.
I saw that.
I was like, come on, man.
It's 2010, I get it.
Me being in Oakley's where...
Oh, no.
Especially.
They just found the sus.
What are the kids?
They got obliterated at that health show, but I used to have Oakley's.
They were prescription..
Well, you had like regular normal looking Oak lea.
They weren't like, they didn't look like the Oakleys where it's
like wrap around 90s.
Not Not the wraparound.
I didn't have wrapar.
Those were the kinds that people wore back in my day in high school
No, no.
to cover your eyes so that way the teachers can't tell that you're high.
Yeah, I used to have.
So that way you can sleep in class.
You you just chill in there.
And then you couldn't tell that when somebody is asleep, because then they're like.
See, modern kids don't have to worry about that anymore because we're getting rid of the Department of Education, guys.
It's all good.
It's all good.
Donnie, let's go to you really quick.
You watch this for the first time, of course.
What are your initial thoughts?
Man, it disturbed me as well.
I was kind of in the same boat as Arnold, where
like, I watched it two days ago and after the film was done,, it was time to go to bed.
It was pretty late, but I needed to watch something just to kind of distract
me from what I just watched.
I don't wanted to give You needed a palate cleanser
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it for me, it was like a long, it sat
there with like the human centipede, but but worse, you know, like, and I don't know.
I know there's films that are worse than this.
I watched the human Centipede again, by the way.
Yeah, yeah.
I'd watch that even cipede again, but I don't think I'd watch this again.
And I think really what it is.
What's this dist disturbing part about this is it like
it questions your mores and your ethics, and that's what makes it more disturbing.
It's not like, I could deal with the singing and like, just the way that they did it.
There's definitely some art behind it, and I appreciate that.
I love the way that was shot.
But when I watch it again, no, and like, did I enjoy it?
Not really
Right.
But, yeah, but I it was for
what the director was trying to do, I totally get it.
And, you know, I'll give him that.
Yeah, I agree with you.
I had a lot of preconceived notions about this movie because I've heard about this movie since it came out.
And I was surprised that the
pacing of it was like a regular movie.
I don't know why I wasn't expecting that.
I thought like, because the opening scene is literally, um a
guy and a girl start having sex on top of a fucking motorcycle.
And I thought, okay, right out the bat.
This is studying the tone for the whole movie.
And I thought the whole movie was going to be like this.
And then it's like, no, then it's like,
pulls out.
It's like, oh, it's the kid watching his dad's porno.
And then the parents walk in and the parents walk in and they're
like, Billy boy, what are you doing?
Let's take this tape out.
It's like, that's like you react.
Like your kid's watching a fucking porno and you're like, okay, whatever.
But rest of the casing was normal.
It was like a normal movie.
Here's the thing, though.
I like the the way I saw it, I thought it was like, they had had like a
very European like approach to it.
Like like that's, you know, in Europe,
it's like sex isn't so taboo.
That's true.
It's very like..
I'm looking at it with an American lens.
Yeah.
And even when he a puritical American lens.
Sorry.
Even when he was like, like
talking to a son in that park about like having those feelings.
He was actually very progressive in his approach about
like how, and it's I say progressive, but that's probably just normal.
Right in Europe.
Right.
You know, he was talking about like like masturbation and I was just
like, wow.out saying the word, just using an analogy, which makes sense that a wheel.
And it kind of
and it kind of felt like this whole movie kind of felt..
So I'll get into my review
like, yeah, like later on, once I'll let you
continue with Donald's sort of, I don't know if he had anything else that you want to talk about.
No, no.
I just I was just saying, like, it was just for the film itself, like, I
appreciated the technical craftsmanship behind it.
But yeah, I get it.
But it was disturbing to me.
But the way it was shot was good.
But, yeah, that's all I had.
Yeah.
Well, also, I just want to say is that
like, well, you know, given that it may be
a little bit accepted elsewhere, we also know
that his father is a porn star and I'm sure obviously
throughout the movie, porn is kind of like a regular rotation in their house.
Although it is kind of weird that he watches scenes of only himself from the past.
I'm sure trying to hold on
s also desperately to his
fame and thunder of the past.
But I mean And that's not even the weirdest thing in the movie.
No, it's.
What's weirder than that is his brother watching his pornoapes while he's getting a blowjob from a chick.
Yeah.
It was in his pornot tapes.
It was his family, like River.
Yeah, watching his.
He was watching his wife.
It.
No, no.
They were at that birthday party, and so that's what I thought was weird.
He was getting off on bed.
Oh, that was.
And then they and then they switch over to.
And he's like, how does he do it?
How does he stake cock hard rock hard for so long?
And
so the girl's giving a blowjob.
And yeah, you're right, the party scene footage was creepy and weird.
I must have fell asleep on that part.
Am I really low?
Sorry.
No, no, no.
You sound normal.
Well, he was watching it because that's the only video he had of his wife.
Right.
Right?
That's I think that's what he was.
He had a creepy fascination with.
He had a creepy fascination with her, yeah.
With her.
And it's interesting is I thought that it
was going to end up being him having a creepy conversation with the nephew
And thankfully, he didn't go that way, but as you
guys know, it turned out to be much worse for the nephew.
Right.
Go ahead, Justin.
I was going to say, so like, I mean, all right.
Even though like his brother participated in the scandalous
uh scene near the end of the movie,
um, do you think his brother was in on it the
entire time or did he hop on board when
his brother was being taken advantage of?
I wasn't clear on that.
I was hoping you guys would have an answer because I wasn't clear on that.
Personally, I think there was like, there
was like layers to the whole scheme.
Like people knew certain parts of what was actually going on.
And that guy who was at the very end where he like remember
at the very beginning of the film, he Milos
passes by him and he's like, who's this guy?
You know?
But then at the end it's he ends up being like the head guy
of the operation.
So I kind of feel like everybody had a certain amount of information.
Like, I feel like
Milos's brother, like, knew
certain things and they probably was, and people were getting manipulated.
You know, I feel like, like everybody in this film
was being manipulated in some certain way.
I feel like the supposed director
was like, being manipulated.
He was probably, because, you know, he was crazy, right?
Like I't I can't really recall that he was sort of like.
He was like a psychiatrist prior to that.
Yeah, with like, psychiatrists.
Yeah.
I think he I think he had like
you know, that sort of thing and like that
director was probably, the real head guy was manipulating him.
It's like, hey, we're going to do this crazy stuff to make this like weird, gross, like,
horrible pedophilia type stuff.
And then..
Yeah.
But like, I think, like I said, like they all had to certain aspects.
Like, and then like his Milos's former like,
associate, like probably like longtime, like film
actress partner knew certain parts
and knew that she could get him to do the movie.
So yeah, everybody was being manipulated.
So and only knew certain parts.
And like with his brother, I think he like was, they probably knew
or because he was a bad cop, like
he's like a filthy cop, probably cop pulled in.
Yeah, I feel like there's some ties, right?
Yeah.
Because there's cops in the film and then he's a cop.
I feel like there's definitely some ties.
I don't know.
They probably were all friends
Yeah, that's what I didn't like friends.
Yeah.
I feel like I slept through a lot more than...
I thought.
Well, I'tualize it for people listening and watching.
So, yeah, so he's a porn star.
He's kind of out of work
and this shady dude comes up to him and says, we'll pay you
a lot of money to do this film for us.
We can't tell you anything about it.
And he goes to his wife and he and she's like, no, you should do it.
And then he goes to his brother and he tells his brother, since he's a cop,
can you look into these guys and find out what you can?
And I don't remember what the brother the brother came back with something
some information about it, but he went, he went ahead and started doing the film.
And at first it wasn't even that crazy.
Right?
Like the first scene, he just has to walk into a build an
old children's hospital or something.
And he has to just like
act natural and then like a chick starts giving
him a blowjob in the middle of the hallway or something.
Well, there's like a kid..
The first minor you see is there.
Yeah, no.
The first time when you walk into the actual orphanage,
there's that girl that, that little girl that's sitting on the staircase.
Oh, that That is the first time you see her..
That's the first time.
And there's there is no sexual act
No, no, no.
That scene.
So what makes it uncomfortable, but what
makes it uncomfortable is the fact that in
pornography in general, at least to what we know, what we're comfortable with here
in our little bubble, there
is no, like nobody that's under 18. ever.
At least the stuff that I've, I hope I have.
You know what I mean?
Like You're now on listentionally All the stuff that's I've intentionally watched
I'm pretty certain they're all of age, right?
Yeah.
But.
Yeah, she's basically on set of a point.
She's on camera.
She's on camera, too. too.
Like she's.
I's She's part of that scene.
So I think that's things that tips it off.
Alex, I feel like you've opened it up just a little bit.
It's like..
I think that's also another theme of this movie.
It's like, are you, are you certain of what you're watching on the internet?
Are you certain of that?
Like, yeah, like these websites will be
like, hey, we have our protect protections,
you know, and, uh, we have our terms.
But, I mean
things slip sometimes and you never know.
Yeah.
And you never know.
That's why you That's why I stick with the MIFs, man.
All the classic ones..
I was not going to say that, but good point.
Remember Tracy Lord's?
Oh, the actress that was underage?
Exactly.
I think that's what the whole, like, another one of the big things was.
Like, I think a lot of people, she looked of
age, but she, I guess she wasn't.
They never.
She had a fake ID, so they never really back checked. fake ID, no.
Remember when we did the godfather episode?
And this was when Anthony was on and he totally set us up.
And he's like, oh, uh, Apollonia, the guy that
uh, what's the name the main guy,
Michael, uh, that Pacino, that he married in Italy.
And then there's a part after the wedding and then she, you know, shows her, she gets undressed.
And then we're he's like, so what'd you guys think?
And we're like, oh, yeah.
And he's like, oh, yeah, she was 15.
And then,
and then fucking Where is he?
Get him in here.
About to get married.
He's the head guying the film.
And it's probably a minor.
No.
He's the
actual director of that Serbian film.
He's my thing, everybody.
That's right.
He He's a puppet master of snuff porn and shit.
No, this is good discussion.
I never thought about that, what you're talking about, Justin.
That's a great point.
And
It's a dark world out there and it's far darker than
we can possibly possibly imagine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I't You know, speaking of which, and I don't mean to like keep like interrupting and cutting in.
But um I wanted to bring something up because I don't know if you guys noticed it.
Maybe you did, but I'll just bring it up anyway.
You know, there's a lot of like symbolism
with the white rabbit and, and there's
also even a line of the, what's that guy's name saying,
like, do you really want to go down that rabbit hole type of deal?
I forget forbaten what he said, but he said something along the lines of going
down the rabbit hole, but there is a lot of like white rabbit
symbolism as well from the little white rabbit figure in the hanging off of the
rearview mirror on one of the cassette
tapes, there was a drawing of a rabbit.
The plushie that was given to the child was a white rabbit.
You know, what do you think, what do you guys think that
that that is all about?
And what's your?
There's like, even with the
little girl that stars in the film, she's
dressed as Alice in a lot of the scenes.
I was going to say, there's Alice in Wonderland themes to it.
I feel like what you when you bring
that up, it's kind of a metaphor for like you
could chase the rabbit down the rabbit hole, and that's what happens with a lot of things, right?
We do that with a lot of
conspiracy theories, even just like, everyday day
to day things like, oh, I want to learn how to like,
cook a steak, right?
You get, you search for YouTube video.
Then it goes into like how many many different kinds of preparations and what
kind like what kind of meat, you know, and that's
like that's the everyday mundane
going down the rabbit hole.
But then there's like dangerous ones.
What's that?
I said, and then and then you choose to
eat cup of noodles after because you're too tired of like trying to figure out how cook a steak.
I just I just throw it in the microwave.
It's kidding.
Never do that.
As long as you, about tortillas in the microwave.
Oh, I know.
You know what?
Okay.
But like Oh, sorry, Wrap it up.
I mean, if you finish up.
But like, yeah, it's one of those things when
you, like, like with this
this film, like,
when you, a lot of times when you go down the rabbble, sometimes you
never know when, so the rabbit hole will pull you back, pull you in.
Yeah.
You know?
It's one of those things where like, sometimes you
go so deep where it's like, it's no, there's no cut turning back
Yeah.
And it makes sense the Alice
in Wonderland type themes because the last,
especially the last 30 minutes, 30, 40 minutes of this movie feels like a fever dream.
And, and it's actually explained
in the movie in the sense of like, he's on these drugs and shit
that they drug him with.
Yeah, which is why it feels so chaotic..
What was the drug again?
It was like..
I don't remember the name of it.
It was bull Aphrodisiac or something like that.
That.
It was It was supposed to make you like.
Yeah.
And I didn't really make that connection
but then, like, when he like stabs
the nurse, or the nurse with
the whatever the aphrodisiac, she comes back and I's like, why is she all bloody?
He's like, she's holding the thing.
And I was like, I realized, oh, dang, she was like super horny.
And she like,
used that life..
I was confused about that.
See, this is...
Oh, my goshosh.
I thought I thought she like, hurt herself.
Oh my gosh or something, but I don't know.
I didn't even really have a.
Wow.
Because everything that preceded that was so fucked up that I didn't even
I filtered that up.
It's it's a lot of like, so and that's the thing with me.
Like, like when I watched this movie, like my
guttural reaction, like post-watching, it was like, man, this is like awful.
But like,
I'm the type of person who, like, I'm I'm
now I'm trying to be more like, not trying
to give my gututtural reaction to like something, right?
I'm trying to like let myself process things.
And
I took today, like, while Arnold, you were like, like really disturbed.
That's why I was like, I pulled myself back, right.
And I like from from the guttural reaction and be like,
maybe I should do some research on this actual movie.
So I looked up, you know, this is a simple wiki on
the Serbian film, a Serbian film,
you know, and I was like, okay, there's a Serbian war.
So I like what did more research on that.
So it kind of gave me more context.
And so, and when I saw that comment about like how the director made this film about
like how he felt that the Serbian
government had molested its citizens, pretty much.
That's how he stated it.
I was like, okay.
So it it gives you more context.
It doesn't like
really justify what I
saw because it was just still too disturbinging.
Yeah.
Yet at the same time, you,
like, if you look at the horrors that they, yeah, the horrors that they
experience in their lives, this is probably
justified in their minds, or at least in that director's mind.
I don't know how much it resonates with everybody else in his audience.
Well, that goes back to like.
We look at things through our filtered American lens, right?
Because we're pretty privileged living in this country, despite what's happening right now.
We're pretty privileged living in this country.
And, uh, you can easily forget
how bad it is in other parts of the world, you know?
So
doing that research does help contextualize things a bit more, right?
As far as like there are motives behind why they would do the
things that they would do in this movie.
Even if we obviously think they're horrible and whatever.
But like,
And even going into the film, like, okay, I
had to put myself, like finally realizing, okay, this is a foreign film.
This is from Europe.
They have European sensibilities.
So
their mindset is way different.
I don't want to say way different, but it's a lot more.
They're more sex pos positive.
You know, they're not so like, oh, you know, like,
they're okay with a lot of stuff.
And they're okay with like, there's
not a lot of, like, there are taboos, but they're
just different from what we expect.
I've always heard that, they're not okay
so much with depictions of violence, but they're okay with depictions of sex
whereas here it's the opposite.
We're okay with violence.
We love violence in America.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, you can't see a woman's cleavage or whatever.
I mean, you do see women'sages all the time.
Look at the Oscars, but that's beside the point.
You understand what I'm saying.
So, yeah, different sensibilities for different countries.
Dottie, you were going to say something.
Sorry.
I was just going to say they have like a no censorship law over there.
So yeah, they have another law that basically
overrides it that allows them to be more creatively expressive.
And I think it ties back to why this film was created and he was trying
to like make a point about how there's some sense of responsibility
for these filmmakers to like, you know, even though there's these these like
you know, laws that are not in place to prevent them from stopping.
There's still like some sort of responsibility for them as a filmmaker to what they're able to show and stuff like that.
So yeah.
It's interesting.
I think the worst thing, though, the worst reason that
I think you chose this movie, Justin, is that I had to read last night.
So thank you for that.
I was like, oh, I'm just going to listen.
No, I had to actually read captions, goddamn it.
I don't want to do that.
I don't want to read, read a movie.
That' two films for me in a row
I'm used to that for like old school ko movies, man.
You know, speaking of you being like,
oh, I need to read, I think one of the only scenes in that entire movie
where they actually speak English where they didn't have captions
was the scene where the guy was being like,
like, we're onto like a new genre.
Oh, Newborn porn.
And he said it full on in English.
Newb porn.
Yeah, that was that part, that
was the most probably one of the most disturbing parts for me.
And then even the look at Milo's, like Milo's face
I was like the same as well.
Like, I was like, I was
watching it on my phone and this was my face.
Did you guys
find the movie predictable at all?
Like where it was going?
Kind of.
Yeah, kind of.
Kind of.
Like, did you see the brother was going to be somehow involved?
Because I felt like I knew that pretty early on.
Yeah, on that last scene when the mysterious
masked dude shows up and starts doing his thing next to him as he's doing his
thing, if you catch my drift, I was like, that's the brother.
That's totally going to be a fucking brother.
For me, you know who's under the covers.
And I'm like, oh, fuck.
God damn it.
But they't show it.
They didn't show it.
I at least appreciate that, but
obviously, you still know it.
I started tying it all together when as
soon as I realized like, oh, they disappearedeared and then they go into that room.
As soon as they went, he went, he walked into that back room.
I was like, oh shit. and you see the bed.
I was like, I don't know.
And then and then it like, I was proven right when
I saw when the go they cut to where the two bodies are under the sheets.
I was like, oh no, one of them is shorter than the other.
I was like, that's a child.
And that's
What,plain something to me, though, because I wasn't clear on this.
First of all, I know he got all the tapes and
then he went to some wooded area and he was watching the tapes on the camera and stuff.
Okay.
And then I'm like, why didn't he go to the cops
if he had all this evidence on him?
Because the cops are bad.
They're all like, they're like dirty cops.
Tharted again by my American senses.
proof that if he did go to turn it
in, he would be reprimanded for that as well because he was,
involved in those tapes.
And things happened to him, by the way.
He didn't get out of this country free in any sense of the word.
He got full on, you know what I mean?
SA, as they say.
And I was like, okay.
But he also, he also did kill that lady.
He did, yeah.
There was a lot of recurring moments of violence while
doing the deed.
And I, I know there's, well, I don't fully
understand what that was about, like the whole slappingpping
and punching and basically torturing someone while you're..
Yeah.
Well, it's that that whole thing, that whole thing,
the violence, like towards women, it's like that
that's really sick, like, mindset of
certain people who have fetishes towards like, like violence towards women.
Yeah.
You know, like, it's like some sort of power trip that they have.
You know, it's, it's just like.
I don't understand it.
I mean, we don't understand it.
What's that?
I was like, it goes both ways.
Yeah.
Some women fucking like that shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know.
Like some people, they're like, okay, yeah, sit on my face, you know, more.
But that's. some people.
What?
Like, well, that's not violence though.
That's like.
No, but some they're like More pressure. suffocate me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I, your're giving consent.
But you're giving consent
in in that sense.
Whereas like this is like in where
they were depicting this, they like, she wasn't asking for it.
She was tied up.
And she was like, like, you could
obviously crying for help, you know?
And that's not.
So to start kind of bringing it on home here.
I wanted to quickly read a couple of blurbs about
this movie when it came out, because I thought they were interesting.
Here's some reviews that I then this is on the wiki page, by the way.
We'll put this in the show notes.
So in Serbia
in the middle of the road review, one
reviewer said, this movie is direction, technical
aspects are effective iconography, and video game pacing,
while adding that it's a story that has been taken to the edges of self-p
I thought that was a nice little bl blurb.
Video game pacing, I don't really know what that means.
Is he just saying because it's fast paced towards the end, I guess.
I honestly,
as far as I'm concerned, I don't see the correlation or connection to.?
Just buzzwords.
What video game are we talking about?
Yeah, exactly, right.
Animal Crossing.
I think it's not on my animal.imal Crossing.
I can.
Okay, so I guess I can say, I mean, just to kind of
So there's a video game that is actually made by rockstar
creators of Grand Theft Auto and a bunch of others.
There's a game called Manhunt in particular.
And at the time, that was actually considered one of the controversial
games of its time, came out on the original Xbox
I forget what year I would say like between
somewhere between 2003 and 2005.
But, wow. this game
came out and what you did in the game and it
had a specific pacing style to it.
It was set up to look like a snuff film and you're
going around like warrior style trying to escape
this city full of gangs
and murderers and psychopaths and stuff like that.
But while you're trying to escape, you're also murdering
psychopaths, gang members, and murderers.
It's like a rock star game.
Yeah.
And it's all shot as a snuff film as well, but it's it's a video game.
You play as you go, you know?
I like that.
Yeah.
Here's another review from
another blurb.
This is an American reviewer.
I think the film is tragic, sickening, disturbing, twisted, absurd,
infuriated, and actually quite intelligent.
There are those who will be unable or unwilling to decipher,
even the most basic of men. messages buried within a Serbian film.
But I believe it's one of the most legitimately fascinating films I've ever seen.
I admire and to test it at the same time
And I will never watch it again, ever.
That one's good.
Another interesting one from,
I don't know what country this is from.
He talked about a serving film is a
pandering to a mouthbreathing gorehounds who who found hostile a bit soft
fanatics who would hijack the horror genre to extreme
because deeper thinking is too hard.
Before concluding that the movie says as much about Eastern Europe as
Twilight D does about the Pacific Northwest.
So there's just a couple of quick blurbs I want to just talk about.
But yeah, I mean, what more is there to say?
Let's go around the room and final thoughts if you guys are ready for that.
Justin, we'll start with you.
Yeah, like I said before, this was my second time watching it.
And I never thought in a million years I'd
watch this movie again, to be fair.
Because, you know, like, I'm an avid movie goer.
I love horror movies.
I'm not
that big of a fan of like slashers.
Some of them every now and again.
I don't really consider this a slasher.
I just feel like this is more torture porn.
Yeah.
In both aspects. torture and porn.
The imagery in this movie is definitely disturbing.
I would also like to say, I apologize to you guys.
Maybe too little, too late.
I'm sorry for showing you this movie, but I
feel like it is definitely worth at least a singular watch.
I probably could have shown you guys something far worse, but
I don't want to do that to you guys.
I feel like this is a good film.
There is a point behind it.
It is disturbing, not for the faint of heart.
And I feel like we should also put like a warning at the beginning of this episode.
Oh, we won't.
I thought.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Justin, I thought you were going to pick something even more controversial.
Like Ernest goes to camp or something, but you have to be gone with this.
Ernest goes to Auschwitz.
Anyway, no.
The Goonies, Director's C.
Release the ratner cut.
No.
You know what?
That's funny.
I've never seen the Goonies's Director's Cut.
So I don't know if I plan on doing that at all, but I was only.
I'm aware that it's out there.
I'm aware it's out there.
I'm probably not going to watch it.
I want the best boy grips cut of Goonies, actually.
Can we get him to do?
The best boy.
We'll go to the best boy grip?
Best boy.
Hold on.
Anyway, it's a movie.
Hold on.
Yeah.
If I have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
Go ahead, Justin
I thought you were saying boy, like a British person.
You're the best boy?
Yeah.
Maybe it's Australian Australian boys.
Anyway, the Thunder from Town Under, you know what I'm saying?
Anyway,
This movie, I
think there's not really much else
to say other than what we've discussed already, and I don't want to be too long-winded about it.
Oh, I think I think the movie, I think it's it is an interesting
take on a genre
of film or the style of film.
I feel like the story is impactful in its own way.
And it definitely makes you pay attention.
Even if you want to look away, you're still like
like like that whole rabbit hole thing.
It's like, yeah, this, this movie is fucked up
right now, but you're still watching it.
You're still going, you're still going digging deeper into it.
And I feel like that is influential in its own way
Would I recommend this movie to just anybody?
No, quite frankly, I think you should probably stay
away from the movie unless you seriously want to just watch
something completely disgusting out there and, and
obscenely different for those, um,
you know, vile horror chasers.
and that's, I think that's kind of where I draw the line.
I don't plan on watching this movie ever again.
I'll never watch it with you.
Don't ask me to come over to watch it with you.
It made its point.
I understand it
And that's why I give this movie a four out of five.
And you can follow me on
Instagram and you can go to all my links.
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Awesome.
Well, thanks for that, Justin
Donnie, let's go to you really quick.
If I don't thoughts and working to people find you.
Yeah.
Final thoughts.
Okay, well, this.
Yeah, I didn't enjoy the film.
Like I didn't, it's not for me, but I do appreciate the, you know, the art behind it.
I thought that
considering that it was very like taboo, the subject matter, like it was, it was done well, right?
Like he could have shot it differently and it could, but he
was intentional with the way that he shot and what he showed and what he didn't show.
So for that, I thought it was really good.
And also the lighting, incredible, like the way that it was shot and
like how it really like sets the mood, especially in the scenes that they were doing.
I thought that was, that's hard to do, first off, but I thought it was done well.
But yeah, I'm going to give the film a
three because of the artistic value behind it, but not
something I would watch again, not something that I would recommend unless you're into this type of stuff.
But like Justin was saying, it did keep you going and it kept your interest peaked, right?
And so
that in itself, I think, says something about the way that it was directed in how it was written.
Like there's, it was definitely done well with intention and he got his point across.
And so that's why I give it a three.
You can find me at Instagram underscore Donnie Appleseed.
Well, thanks for that.
You know, I had a, I had a professor in films called one time
that once said to us, you know, I don't care if
you disgust me, scare me, make me laugh.
Just don't bore me.
And this film was anything but boring, right?
So
not a single moment wasted at all.
So, it makes sense. you know, to
look at it that way anyway, that he set out to accomplish something,
whether you like it or not, you know, he still did it.
So there it is.
Arnold, talked to us.
What's your final thoughts?
Um
Oh, gosh.
Although there was a couple of thoughts.
Oh, final thoughts.
Oh, kind of.
I just, I just, when you were talking about like, oh, well,
you know, I mean, this shows how
different it is, you know, in comparison to the bubble that we live over here
and, like in Europe and Eastern Europe.
But it made me think, I had to giggle.
It just made me remember the SNL scene,
the Belissima scene.
with like Chris Farley
and all all the legends.
And then they're like, they would go like, oh, it's like this couple.
They're staying at a, at a, like at a hotel or a bed and breakfast.
Like bed and breakfast.
And then you have like
Rob Snyder and he's like, oh, M Sia.
And then, and they like, but then like they greet her, like,
like, the guests at the hotel, husband and wife, they're like hi to say
hello to the husband and then to the wife. um,
they're like, they give her like, like a big hug and a kiss and like, they're like, oh, wow.
It's a little much, man.
And then they're a little friendly.
That's my wife.
And then then the wife is like, oh,
honey, that's how they are here in France.
That's that's just's the part of their culture.
And then it gets more and more to the point where like, then
they're like, oh, Billy's Italy.
It was Italy.
What movie's that?
I forgot what.
That's familiar.
No, it was an SNL sketch.
What movie is that again?
Oh, okay, okay.
Oh, that's right..
That's right.
Seenor.
We go down the wrap a little bit more
Then they do a little bit of dry humping.
And then And then Chris Sparley tops it off.
And then he's like, you want an after dinner mint?
And then he's like, one for señore and
one for meima and he transfers one candy from his mouth to her mouth.
And he's
He's like, break.
You make a great SNL cast member.
I'm just saying.
I think you would sign them up.
I just had to.
I had to bring that up.
I'd love to go to New York.
I want to go there again.
It's done.
Your flight's Monday.
Pack a bag.
We got to touch with Lauren Michaels.
He's calling the phone's ringing off the. phone.
Hey, I have some talents, Lauren.
You know, I could.
Oh, Ken Teen, boy, you make me laugh.
Can you make me laugh some more?
Can you do the nay?
Okay, Final thing, final thoughts about the movie.
Just do this whole conversation,
you know, I realized I didn't I didn't know that the guy was his brother.
I missed the birthday party.
So, and it was a shock to me that at the end that when they pulled out the thing that that it was
that now I know that it was his brother.
I just thought it was his friend, a former cop.
man, it was um.
Other than It changes everything, right, Arnold?
After I did a little..
When I saw your post Alex in Discord, just
to get a little bit of context, then I.. started to do a little chat GPT
and then and then that was the only time
that that I was like, okay, made me think
a little bit more like, okay, um, how
they, how the he made it as like a, what did it say, like
a metaphor of how the government would treat them.
that was the only thing that really gave me
a little bit of a better
view or perception about it about the movie.
Contextualized it more for you.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And so, I mean, initially I was going to give it a zero
But, uh, I
mean, to think about, like, if that truly is
the way that he's expressing, uh, at least how
he felt and and if it's if it really is, um
how the people there feel.
Damn, it makes me feel
grateful for, you know, where we live, the life that I live.
I mean, in comparison to the life that they live, like, damn,
that's horrible.
And so, so that it does, but so overall, it does bump it up.
It gives, it gives, um, a one star.
But I'd have to say
a three and a half Z's
because I probably all togetherher fell asleep for about half
an hour because there was a there was a lot. was 20 minutes.
Yeah.
And it
crossed my mind to to like, oh, should I go back and watch the parts that I missed?
I like, I don't think it's worth it.
The things that I already saw, I mean, I'm still still trying to cleanse from my
my mind.
And it was it was just, it was it was too disturbing for me.
And not my cup of tea.
And those are my ratings.
You can find me on social media, all
the socials at Arnie Colligo.
nowadays, also a little bit of chef boy Arnie.
And so, uh hashtag chef boy Arnie.
Chef Boy Arnie.
I like it.
Good stuff, Arnold..
It's great.
You come up with that?
It's trademarked.
We had the paper. it with a hashtag.
Isn't that how you do it nowadays?
Yeah.
You have to hashtag it to yourself and then you send it to the Library of Congress.
I know.
All right.
Well, thanks for that, Arnold.
Alex, final thoughts.
All right.
So, I'm going to go through like,
try to go really quickly through like some of my notes that I took.
And, again, these notes were taken as
autural reaction after like while watching it.
And, but then like to the tail end of
my notes, I had jotted some stuff down.
I don't know if I'll get to those.
Your notes were taken under duress.
Yes, exactly.
But I will say this.
So last night was the presidential,
uh, what is that, state of the deal, right?
I I would I will
honestly say I would rather watch this than watch the state of the again.
And I'm so glad, because like my mom was watching it
and I could hear it.
I was like, oh God, his voice is so grating.
Yeah.
I hate his voice so much
So yeah, I would prefer to
watch this, a Serpian film over watching
a stadium union address.
So, and and in Europe, they have
like, you know, in a lot of other countries, they have off-brand
type of stuff where they like, they have like, say, you know, like, say they
have Pepsi, but we have Pepsi here, but then like in Europe,
they can't use Pepsi or some country.
So they use Pepsi, you know?
So the porn star at the
diner had a lighter, right?
And the the big brand is Bick here, but she had a dick lighter.
Perfect.
Well, I didn't catch that.
That's funny.
That's funny.
So yeah, their big brand there is dick, not big.
Uh,
Do They have a small one, a big one.
C.
Yeah.
She only had one size.
Just large.
One is a.
One size is just large.
And then the wife's saying,
she prefers a poor porn star over
a bad cop when inerring to her brother his brother.
And I say Aab.
Let's see.
Let's see.
ACA.
All cops are about.
How did he not
know that what he was getting into was a snuff film?
Like, I would be like instantly
oh, you're not going to tell me the script or what's going on?
Sorry.
Don't read the print?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, you don't even have to read the F print.
There is no.
Tell me you're making a snuff film without telling me you're making a stuff film.
Yeah.
He's like, oh, I have a script.
I'll tell you when you need to know.
No script.
Like, okay, no, it, I'm out.
You know?
Unless you just like.
real quick.
Just real quick to interject, you
have no idea how realistic that is on how many people don't fucking read a contract at all.
They you tell them one thing.
And I remember like, uh, because I
have to, I had to deal with a lot of contracts and I still kind of do these days at work.
And you have no idea how many times I'm like, did you read the contract?
Do you understand like what we got here?
And they're like, no.
And then you have to go in and research and explain it to them.
And it's like, well, you agreed to this.
I told all of you to read the contract and you didn't do that.
So, hey, your fault, man.
You're
We always recommend consult a lawyer.
Always.
Go ahead.
I mean, at the A hotel, I had to deal with contracts all the time.
Yeah.
Like every artist had to write write up a contract for.
And like, I even had to change like
the lot of the, the verbiage in
order to like protect ourselves even better.
So it was like, yeah, like a lot of these people don't
understand to like read the fine print.
You know what that makes me realize I should just take terms of service for
anything that I sign up for and just put it in CGPT and tell it to give me a summ ring?
I need to fucking do it.
That's a great idea.
We should make an app.
In terms of service app powered by my AI girlfriend, Cynthia.
Edit point, edit point.
So
there's a pretty long dark corridor that they're going through in that house, right?
Only evil people have long dark corridors in their homes.
They're like, come on.
Like, this is a bad person.
Leave the set.
Don't ever come back.
You know, like, this is
just just leave.
Just leave.
Let's see.
It's giving Sith lorde vibes.
Exactly.
It's art.
It's art, bro.
The long, dark corridor is art?
It's art.
So
I'm a pro wrestling fan, and I've seen death matches.
I've seen some crazy stuff even in person.
Donald was there.
We see people sweat where he put.
Donnie or your brother, Donald.
Donnie on our show.
Donald.
Donald. goes in here.
He's on the show.
Like We were at a show in Vegas where where
people were being put through panes of glass.
They were snapping like, like flucent light tubes over their heads.
You know, that was, and when we left, the ring mat
was filled with glass and blood
the people, the rest of participating.
I'm sure it was like fake glass or like sugared glass or whatever.
Yeah.
But still, I don't know about the light tubes.
That was real.
That shit was real, dude.
That shit they were bleeding.
They were bleeding.
Yeah.
Like they were, they were like literally like whence they broke
broke a light tube, like all the referees that were in around the ring
they were like literally like, get those tubes out of the ring.
Or they would like tap down the broken light
pulbs so that way they wouldn't people wouldn't stab themselves even worse, right?
And I've even seen matches where like they had like half
cut aluminum cans that were super glued to boards
And so like people would be put through those.
I've seen I've seen wrestlers like jump off
like a two-story warehouse in two
paintes of glass onto like work trucks.
I've seen a guy literally try
to kill another wrestler off by throwing him off of a scaffolding
This is it.
Back in the 90s, a guy by the name of New Jack, you
could see the show on that incident happened.
They talk about it on the show called Dark Side of the Ring.
This guy, New Jack.
He tries to kill a guy because in the previous match,
like the wrestler accidentally busts New Jack's head
open and is like actually bleeding and almost like died
That was less
disturbing than this film.
Right.
Right?
This is all that stuff I've witnessed.
But the state of the Union speech takes the cake as far as...
It's.
Yes.
Yeah.
We're living in a real horror movie right now.
Yeah.
You know
But anyways.
We're going to meet all night.
However, after, like, like I said, after
pulling myself back from the guttural reaction, like,
actually, taking the time to..
And I think this is important for everything that we do in our lives, like,
when we have these sorts of reactions.
Like, it steadies us and it makes it gives us better context to actually actually
take action better when it comes
to a lot of things in our lives, right?
If we talk, we act out too emotionally.
And then this is one of those things that like obviously personally like have to work
on myself, but like, you know,
it's better that we take the time to
do the research and see what it's like.
And so after doing that, I got
better context of this film and why the reasons why the directors.
So it helps create compassion and empathy.
This is what we're trying to build, right?
For ourselves, for other people
And that's what horror films are supposed to do, right?
Like the whole intention of other Ring, right?
That's why a lot of like, um, like people
in the LGBTQ community, like are fans
of the horror genre because
the horror genre is like one of those things where they
they take something that's scary or that's they supposedly scary, right?
Justin could probably speak better on this than I could.
But they
you know, it's being utthered.
Whereas, like, if you put it, put it like, like, for instance, the
movie, like in a violent nature, I started thinking about it.
Like we were like.
He was the hero.
You know what I mean?
The guy, but we were ohering
him because he's like, you know, he's the
He's killing everybody, right?
But he had a reason, you know?
Yeah.
And so it's kind of like a burnt up, undead,
bald guy is just a little misunderstood, you know?
He's he's like an anti-hero, right?
You know?
And that's the thing.
It's like, I think we're like, like,
in in society, we we are.
What's going on right now, they're oring us, right?
They're trying to divide us.
They're trying to like, you know, and that's like what we need to like not do is
We have more in common than we have,
you know, not what's actually dividing us.
Because that's that, like, race is, is a
construct, right?
what is the term?
It's like it's a like this, but not
race isn't it's like the battle that they pit us against.
It's a construct that they're trying to pit us against each other, right?
It's not real.
Yeah.
Like, it's just melanin in our skin.
Well, the culture wars are called the culture wars for a reason, I guess.
Yeah.
You know
And so they're oring us and saying you, the same thing
in this. like I could look at this director I'm
like, man, if I don't do my research, like this guy is just thegusting.
But he has a point.
You know, he has a point.
And it's like maybe not the preferred vehicle
for getting that point across for me, but I I
get what he's trying to say, you know?
And for that, like, I give it, I give this film a three.
I think I won't never, ever watch it again and I will never watch it.
I will never recommend it to anybody.
I'll tell people that I have seen it and it's like, you should never see that.
Unless you're writing, like as an assignment where you're getting paid
to watch it or doing a podcast like this.
And I feel like I could even step away.
It's like, yeah, no, I don't want to do this podcast anymore.
And I will say this, if we ever have to watch a movie similar
to this again, that episode is just going to fall out of the back of a truck, man.
It's just like, never going to see the light of day.
But yeah, I promise I'll I will never
show show you things like this again.
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That thing is cool as hell.
Where'd you get that?
He's not selling that.
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It's my wife's.
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No, so, you know, my final thoughts are like, I'll make this brief.
I
watch this last night and I
took all day to kind of process it.
And I'm I like that we discussed it today.
I feel like, as you said, Alex, contextualizing
it a lot more helps do better understand it better and not judge it
as just, oh, it's just an edgy, dumb foreign movie or whatever.
And like, no, there's more to it than what meets,
you know, what you you realize at first.
It's easy to just write it off as like,
this is like the kind of movie that like Edglords would like recommend
you know?
Yeah, exactly.
No, that's the thing about my Matt Walsh, who makes shit called, like, what is a Woman?
You know, like, fuck that guy, Matt Walsh.
If you know, if you know, you know, uh, not to get political, but whatever.
There is there is some merit to this movie, Serbian. film.
And, you know, after talking about it with you guys tonight, I've upgraded my score
and now it's got a whole half a star.
So there it is, you know, I myself.
I still feel like that's deserved.
And I and I won't re-watch this again, just like I won't rewatch
Uncut gems, unless you guys ever want to do that movie, by the way, because I think it would be worth discussing
Uncut gems. and gems with Adam Sand.
But yeah, that's my thoughts.
I think I think it' it's bold of anyone to make
this because this is going to live with you for the rest of your life, right?
And I I checked this guy out, the director, and I'm
not going to say his name because I'm not going to, I can't try, but
he only has like two other movies under his belt
But like, he's, he's only ever going to be known for this film, right?
And like, you kind of have to appreciate, like, to make a movie like
this, to like get the budget, to write the script, get
the budget, cast all the actors and then actually make it.
It's like, wow, yeah.
Like that that was a choice.
That was a choice.
And, you know, um
like I said, it a bold choice to make that.
But hey, we're here talking about it, right?
So it's like he clearly did something, right as far as like hitting a nerve.
And sometimes that's all that matters to get good conversations going.
So for that, I appreciate that.
But that's all I have as far as that goes
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Any other last words from the gentlemen?
Oh, I
just wanted to mention real quick, I looked up like
rabbits, and I guess that they symbolize like duality
because they're like supposed to be like, like nice, fun little creatures.
And when you insert them into like a horror film and the unexpected
happens, they make them even like more terrifying.
But I guess Jordan Jordan Peele uses it in us a lot.
I haven't watched that movie, but.
I think rabbits are low-key kind of creepy, by the way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everyone always so cute.
No, like their eyes, they' black eyeballs.
But Donnie Darko,
Donnie Darko has, you know, Watership down.
Didn't Phil Collins do the song about the guy in the
bunny costume that would follow him from concert to concert?
What am I thinking about?
I don't think I'm making that shit up in my head.
Anyway, don't listen to me.
Rabbits are creep. the first time last year.
Yeah.
Mony Python, the Holy Grail.
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Go watch the cartoons, you sick fucks.