In this hazy and hilarious episode, we dive deep into Up in Smoke, the iconic 1978 stoner comedy that launched Cheech and Chong from counterculture legends to cinematic trailblazers. We explore the film’s place in the cultural zeitgeist of stoner flicks and how it helped define the genre with its laid-back absurdity, offbeat humor, and unapologetic celebration of cannabis culture. Arnold kicks things off with a nostalgic trip down memory lane, reminiscing about his days as a young lad getting high with his buddies in the park behind his house—painting a perfect picture of how Up in Smoke hit home for an entire generation. Justin chimes in with how every time this film popped up on TV, it practically lit a bowl for him—proof of its timeless pull for weed-loving viewers. We also touch on the scrappy origins of the film’s production. With a low budget and lots of hustle, Cheech Marin and Tommy Chong performed standup gigs to raise money for the movie—true DIY pioneers blazing their own trail (pun intended). Adrian brings a sharp lens to the conversation, highlighting the underlying social commentary—particularly the class contrast between Tommy Chong’s character, a privileged burnout, and Cheech Marin’s street-savvy Pedro. He breaks down a memorable scene where Cheech freaks out, thinking the cops are busting down the door for drugs—only to chill out when he realizes it's “la migra.” Adrian draws a direct line to today’s ICE raids, adding timely relevance to a joke that was funny then, and eerily familiar now. We also recap the film’s plot: Anthony “Man” Stoner, an unemployed, pot-smoking slacker and wannabe drummer, runs away from his strict parents and crosses paths with Pedro de Pacas. The two become fast friends (thanks, weed), get arrested for possession, but are let go on a technicality. From there, it’s a series of wild, weed-fueled misadventures that culminate in a chaotic rock contest performance featuring their anthem, “Earache My Eye.” Whether you're lighting up or just vibing along, this episode is a love letter to the film that proved getting high and getting laughs could go hand in hand—and maybe even sneak in some social insight along the way.
In this hazy and hilarious episode, we dive deep into Up in Smoke, the iconic 1978 stoner comedy that launched Cheech and Chong from counterculture legends to cinematic trailblazers. We explore the film’s place in the cultural zeitgeist of stoner flicks and how it helped define the genre with its laid-back absurdity, offbeat humor, and unapologetic celebration of cannabis culture.
Arnold kicks things off with a nostalgic trip down memory lane, reminiscing about his days as a young lad getting high with his buddies in the park behind his house—painting a perfect picture of how Up in Smoke hit home for an entire generation. Justin chimes in with how every time this film popped up on TV, it practically lit a bowl for him—proof of its timeless pull for weed-loving viewers.
We also touch on the scrappy origins of the film’s production. With a low budget and lots of hustle, Cheech Marin and Tommy Chong performed standup gigs to raise money for the movie—true DIY pioneers blazing their own trail (pun intended).
Adrian brings a sharp lens to the conversation, highlighting the underlying social commentary—particularly the class contrast between Tommy Chong’s character, a privileged burnout, and Cheech Marin’s street-savvy Pedro. He breaks down a memorable scene where Cheech freaks out, thinking the cops are busting down the door for drugs—only to chill out when he realizes it's “la migra.” Adrian draws a direct line to today’s ICE raids, adding timely relevance to a joke that was funny then, and eerily familiar now.
We also recap the film’s plot: Anthony “Man” Stoner, an unemployed, pot-smoking slacker and wannabe drummer, runs away from his strict parents and crosses paths with Pedro de Pacas. The two become fast friends (thanks, weed), get arrested for possession, but are let go on a technicality. From there, it’s a series of wild, weed-fueled misadventures that culminate in a chaotic rock contest performance featuring their anthem, “Earache My Eye.”
Whether you're lighting up or just vibing along, this episode is a love letter to the film that proved getting high and getting laughs could go hand in hand—and maybe even sneak in some social insight along the way.
Welcome to the Neveren Podcast only podcast called The Never Seen Podcast.
We're listening to.
My name is Adrian Lore, K. Boots Too big across all social medias.
And of course, you can find us to find the show at Eodcast.odcast
on all social medias as well.
And we are doing a show today with the four, the
core 4, as I like to call us, the core 4, the, the Filipino, the Brothers
What am I saying tonight?
The Brothers Calgo.
I think I'm high.
I have a contact tie from watching this movie.
Mr. Alex Calo, aka.
Filipino Grigio, aka.
Daily Dares, Mr. Arnold, Kalango, aka.
Arnie, the one-man Party.
And of course, we have
Mr. Justin Holden, aka.
Shibbs, the Zombie.
Here we are on this beautiful night.
year of our lore5.
The Core 4, yeah, exactly.
The Four Horsemen of cinema.
Exactly.
Yeah, the hardcore for, as I like to say.
And what's on the Docket tonight, fellas, we're talking about the
1978 movie, the classic, the quintessential stoner film Up in Smoke
starring, of course, Cheech Marion and Mr. Tommy Chong,
directed by Lou Adler, who's directed such films
as Up and Smoke and Ladies and gentlemen, the Fabulous Stainains.
And that's it.
That's all.
That's literally all he's done.
So there you have it.
Obviously, for those of you that are not in the new, this
movie is about an unemployed pot smoking slacker, an amateur drummer.
Anthony Stoner ditches his strict parents and hits the road,
eventually meeting kindred spirit Pedro de Pac.
Not Pedro Pascal, not to be confused with him.
Who is Beye, by the way?
While the drug ingesting dune was soon arrested for
possession of marijuana, we were so innocent back then, Anthony
and Pedro get released on a technicalicality, allowing them
to continue their many misadventures and ultimately compete in a rock band contest where
they perform the rock is tune.
E ache my eye.
E ache my eye. ear ache, one word.
Never heard of it before, but there we go.
That's the plot to the movie.
Who hasn't seen this movie before in this group?
Arnold.
I'm surprised.
You know what?
Okay, I did watch it, of course, back in the day.
And it was my cousin's idea
like, oh, dude, yeah, we're.
And then we'll watch the movie after.
And I got so stoned that I really
don't even remember it.
That's funny.
What, um.
Who chose this movie, by the way?
Was it Who was it?
Horn in the world.
So, so, okay.
I find that interesting that you haven't, you haven't watched it in years.
By the way, I feel like I did watch one of these movies
way back in the day, probably in my college years, because I don't know who Tommy
Chong was until I watched that 70s show.
And I was like, and someone told me like, oh, that's Tommy Chung.
Like who's that?
Like, Ch Chung, oh, and John, let's watch that.
Why did you choose this movie, Arnold?
What was the, what about it?
Lou do you in?
Just because, you know, 420 is coming up for
I think thinking of what would be a good 420 episode
and nothing better than
one of the OGs, because I'm all about that OG stuff.
up in smoke.
And when you think of pot,
culture, weed culture, and, you know, with
movies and stuff, I mean, you just, one of the
original things that you think of is Chee Ch Chong.
And
Right.
it was I totally didn't remember it.
I know I watched it, but then, yeah.
So this was really with a clear head.
Yeah.
Clear head.
And, um What was I saying?
Just kidding.
You're talking about Yeah. the movie.
Yeah.
Wait, did you did you did you get a little stone
watching it this go around or were you, you said a clear head, so you were you were not stoned?
No No, I was not.
That's good.
Well, I mean, you know, that's good that you didn't get stones.
You could remember it this time is what I mean.
Yes
Yes.
Yes, indeed.
And it was, it was a, um, yeah, short, short movie, an hour and 25 minutes.
Yeah, it's really short.
Yeah.
This feels like a movie that would
never be made today only because like weed is so. much like
you know, legalized everywhere now pretty much.
Yeah.
It's very.
I feel like weed culture has changed so much over
the years and I've never been a part of it, but I feel like I know enough to
know that like, like in college, in my college years, I
feel like weed culture was very much still a thing and then I feel like it slowly has evolved to something
different since legalization has become so ubiquitous.
But what do you guys think?
Like, like, I just don't, I don't see a movie like this being made.
First of all, they don't make chill out, hang out movies anymore, right?
I think we talked about this more.
You did Days and Confused.
They don't do that anymore.
Everything has to be a big IP
film nowadays.
It's got to be all based on a book or a sequel or a remake or whatever.
I don't know that they would make a movie like this anymore, but but Arnold,
I feel like you have a pretty interesting connection to it because you want to,
we're doing a little show and tell here because we're doing video now, by the way, guys.
Yeah.
So we're doing a little show and tell.
Arnold, I actually want to start with you.
What is a surprise you?
Yeah, a little surprise for us tonight, right?
Well, uh, yeah.
So I did want to share a contextual it for us.
I know, I know I look like,
you know, I think I had mentioned before in previous podcast that, you know, I'm 150 pounds
But like currently right now, I'm0 pounds.
Yeah.
Cheer muscle.
But then so then this this here's an old picture
of me back in high school.
I must have been like 125 pounds.
But, my friends, they wanted me to, they're like, take a big hit.
Take a look at, look at one of my neck to do.
Damn, he was serious.
Oh, you know where that is, Alex?
Dude, that's an album.
Is that Sunrise Park?
Victoria Park?
Victoria Park?
Yeah, that was when we would go through the backyard.
Is that the desert?
No.
Yeah, that's by Vista del Monte.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, the park right by there.
We would just go through the backyard.
That's the same park that our uncle would teach as Kung Fu.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Nice.
We would go through the backyard.
It had a gate that went into the park.
And so, um, we would go there and
then, and there was benches not too far from there
And then, uh that, that was our smokeout spot.
And and then, you know, someone
had a, had a disposable camera like, yeah, oh yeah, take a big hit.
Yeah.
Stain your neck.. wearing a watch
That was that was the watch. wore
a polo shirt I like the shirt?
It's aesthetically pleasing.
It's an aesthetically pleasing picture.
Yeah.
I like it.
You'd be like a background extra
and like blood in, blood out or something, you know?'
s one of those.
That's like something that you would put in a gallery.
Yeah.
That could be the cover of a hip hop album.
Yeah.
And this was, okay, so we would smoke in the park.
It was all the way in the back, but we had a clear view of
either direction of traffic.
If cops were coming, we were always like, okay,
if cops come, we we're going to bolt this.
We' going right back into into the house.
Like we we had a whole plan, but we're like, well, we don't want them to know which house that we go to.
And so so we're like, uh, we're
always like slightly paranoid because it was a different time,
you know, if you, if you got caught with a roach, you know.
A roach.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How old were you in that picture?
I must have probably been like 16 or 17.
Oh,
I don't know why you look a little bit older in that picture.
Yeah, I know.
I't I hadn't even done meth then.
I mean, I never.
I mean, you do look young.
It's the nextck thing.
It's the next thing that changes the dynamic of his face.
And the glasses.
Back then you were 125 pounds.
Now you're 150 pounds of bullshit.
I
can take a picture of the numbers on the scale.
Yeah.
Well, watch.
We'll show you later.
We'll have a research department look into.
Do you know what Arnoldnold?
You know what?
When I was watching the movie, every time like
Cheech did something hilarious, I thought of you.
I feel like I feel like out of our group, you're our chic Marin.
Like from the dancing around.
Dancing around.
The funny, one-off jokes.
Yeah.
It was the one I-signed that.
I co-signed that.
Was it Cheech or Chong that had
that lit the tiny roach?
And then he ended up swallowing it?
That was Chong It was Tommy.
Oh, I totally relate to that.
That happened to me a couple times.
Oh, God.
I was a roach master before.
You know You got to have the right angle.
And then, and then you got
to go on with it like, because, you know, gravity goes up.
So then if you go.
If you go like this, then you're relying solely just on
sucking.
So then you got to come with it like already slightly lit and downward.
And then then you you don't have to suck so hard.
Right.
And then, but then.
We're talking about a roach., right?
We're not talking about.
Yeah, he's sucking off a roach.
He's getting hit to a roach.
I mean, not like this.
Like this is better.
Yeah.
And then, but then, like, I, I,
I guess I ended up sucking so hard that it came and went to the back of my throat.
It came in your throat?
I'm going to make that a TikTok sound, by the way.
So I have a stupid question
So is a roach the result of smoking
most of a joint or do you actually make a roach?
Oh, that's like the end of the joint.
Okay.
So you don't.
No actuallyly makes a roach to smoke.
It's just what's left over from smoking.
This is how much little I know about this stuff, by the way.
Well, there are people that take like the
excess of all of the roaches and then they just make a long longer roach.
So because they just take the, they just take the ends
off of everything and then just roll it up into its own little small roach as well.
I like it.
So it's like like that exception.
I used to do that with regular cigarettes when I was a smoker.
Right.
I would take like the leftover tobacco and whatever
leftover tobacco, I would steal some of Arnold's rolling papers and I'd turn them into like a cigarette
I have a buddy who's so broke one time.
Yeah, he would literally like pick up old cigarette butts
and he would try to like just as much as he could just just, you know, one after the other.
It's crazy to be that.
Yeah, I used to just off the ground.
I used to do that shamefully.
Oh, I used to do that like of random people.
Are you to smoke random people?
Yeah.
Well, I love a lot.
It would be like, we would be walking home
from school and we were a bunch ofiends, but a bunch of little druggies back then.
And then we would see somebody driving and then they would
throw the cigarette butt and we're like, dude, hey, man.
There was like, that's like more than halfway full.
And
light it up.
But it's like, oh, dude, it's still a little wet.
They're one of those.
Yeah.
So getting back to the movie, though, I have to say, um
I noticed that it opens with Chong
getting, not really kicked out, sort of getting kicked out of his parents' house.
And he Rich parents' house.
Is Rich parents' house.
He doesn't really get kicked out of either.
He kind of just says, fuck it.
He just leaves, yeah.
And then he runs into Cheech.
But what I found interesting about it was like, Chong is like presumably like the white kid
the rich white kid..
And he runs into the poor Mexican guy.
And it's like, that's such like a classic trope of
like, you know, privileged white kid, but wants to be a hippie and join
this more CDD underground world.
And like the other guy is like, he grew up in the CD underground world.
He was shaped by it, right?
Like that was part of his background, his culture in a way.
So I found that aspect of it kind of interesting, but
I feel like people don't really talk about that too much.
What do you guys think?
I was I was going to say, it actually didn't
it actually start with Chech like waking up on the couch?
And then those like kids
walking all over him, climbing on.
Wasn't that the next scene?
I feel like that was the next scene.
No, that was the first scene.
Oh, I' feel like that was open.
Yeah, because I remember thinking like, oh, that's something I'll mention.
Like the way it starts is how
a lot of my Saturday mornings would start.
You know, we wake up and then and then have Saturday morning cartoons on Tom and Jerry.
Eat some cereal, some
sugary cereal, some Captain Crunch.
I love peanut butterter Crunch.
Hell yeah.
I love it too.
But I have to say, I didn't realize how old of a song Lowwriter is.
I mean, I knew it was kind of an old song, but that song goes back of you, man.
I mean, this is 1978.
By then, it was probably already up for a couple years, so it's even older than this movie.
It was not for the George Lopez show?
Yeah, it was it was the theme song in the George Lope, the short-lived George Lopez sitcom.
Which, by the way, that pisses me off.
There's not enough Mexican sitcoms out there, damn it.
Go ahead, Arnold.
I was going to say, speaking of George Lopez show,
you can see me on episode season four, episode 20.
Funny that that it's
that number.
But sure It
wasn't actually me, but there's a guy who looks a lot like me.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We'll have to find posted about it.
Yeah, we'll have to dig up that screenshot.
But anyway, going back to your your comment
about like the Tommy Chong being the
the white guy, the archetypal white guy leaving
his rich family to go, you know, hang out
and be a hippie.
I mean, that kind of tracks, though, that you know, it is this
movie was like, well, it's the tail end of the 70s, you
know, hippie culture was kind of on its way out,
but it still had some, you know, hangers on.
But it was kind of evolving, you know, a lot, especially
a lot of into the 80s, it became like, a lot of the hippies became yuppies.
Yeah.
Also, is it just me or was
movies from that era, the contemporary movies from that era, everything
felt, um, oh, what's the word?
Everything felt a little
sleazier than now, like what you see nowadays in contemporary.
Like, like the way people talk and interact, like, people just seen more, I don't know.
People seem more relaxed back then.
Even like the uptight, those uptight, those dumb bumbling
cops, like even those guys were like way too relaxed to be just like cops that are crazy.
Fucking.
I was going to say that, like a lot of the, like a lot of that era
a lot of that era, like there were, the movies were kind of raunchy, you know?
Yeah.
They weren't like afraid to go that direction.
What happened?
I mean, I'm not saying that I like watchingi movies inherently, but what happened to that?
Like, I don't know.
Like, did that just like disappear, I guess?
Like, are we, are we like more uptight now?
Are we more pureanical in 2025 than 1978?
That's crazy.
I feel like I feel like I
feel like it has shifted
a bit because you got to remember during the that era, that was like when
like a lot of really like harsh reality
movies like Chinatown were coming out.
Taxi driver.
Yeah, Taxi driver.
But then people were wanting to shift more towards a
like a fun, loving, more lighthearted
cinema and culture in general.
And so that's where, like, that that's
where, a movie like this is kind of trailing off.
And then you start to see more of like Steven Spielberg
doing like stuff like the Goonies.
You get into the 80s and
you know.
Right.
I find that so interesting.
Like this feels like such a time capsule of a movie, just in
the sense that like everybody is like skinnier,
like, you know, and like they relatively healthier looking, I think
And, you know, there's no social media.
There's no internet.
There's no smartphones.
There's none of like the modern technology.
And I don't know.
People just like seem, I know it's just a movie, but people just seem fucking more relaxed.
I don't know.
It's to me, there, it's a different vibe than what we have these days.
But anyway.
Even the body types.
You didn't really see like women with like big booties or anything like that.
But what's funny, though, is, is
Yeah.
the parts where they're like, whoa.
And then it just zooms in like on the on the bus boobs.
Butt he didn't even realize that that it was Chong.
Yeah.
He just It was like such a, such a typical, such
a, such a dude move.uch a bro.
Yeah.
Such a guy
I kind of feel though like, yeah.
I kind of feel like It was obxiously male gazy, right?
Sorry.
Yeah.
It's okay.
I feel like there was, I don't know when it shifted.
I think it was like a lot of it has to do with like
when Latino culture became popular, but like it used.
I just remember back then, like even
through the 80s, it was like boobs were the big
thing, you know, like big boobs and women with big breasts, you know.
But then it it's like culturally shifted
to where like people like, oh, I'm more of an ass man.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
This is kind of weird that we're like talking like this, like talking
and like objectifying terms and everything.
That's kind of..
That's how it was in the culture.
How did we use to objectify women?
Let's go back to those who not.
Don't don't at me.
Don't try to cancel me.
No, but but but but
I wanted to ask you, what platforms did you watch this on?
Because I watched this on YouTube Premium and they censored all
the bad words and they censored the mild nudity that was in this movie.
And I was a little disappointed by that.
So did you guys watch this, like the uncensored version?
I watched it on Pluto and it was uncensored.
It's there was a lot of.s.
That's the other thing.
That's what I'm talking about, man.
Like these big companies like YouTube, now they're censoring.
Now they're becoming puritanical.
Like, oh, how dare you can't hear the F word or see a titty,
you you know, in a movie from 1978, you know, that's bad, but I don't get it.
I watched mine on Paramount Plus.
Was it uncensored or censored?
Uncensored.
Okay, so it's a YouTube thing, man.
It's fucking Google.
Yeah, I feel like it's a YouTube thing.
I think it's just because YouTube
because it's so easy to like, for kids to just log on.
Yeah, that's, you know.
Whereas like Pluto, even Pluto, there's like
checks and balances of like who can like, even though
it was like for me, I just searched it and like, but like,
no kids going to Pluto, you know
So like, we'll watch, you know what I mean?
They're like, Pluto, I thought, is this Disney?
Yeah.
Exactly.
But yeah, so up in
smoke, Arnoldld, anything else you wanted to share about it?
Like, what was your favorite
scene from this movie?
The one thing I did remember about the movie is the song.
And I think it might have been because back
in the days when you would burn CDs and download songs and somebody
I think I had a weed, a weed CD.
It was just all like weed songs.
And that was one of them.
I was going to go to the store, but then I got high. was on there too.
Now that's what I call weed 9.
I think my cousin Sam made it for me.
And he even drew on it and he was like, he called it, it wasn't the weed mix.
He called it the red i mix.
I think I remember seeing that laying around somewhere.
Red eye mix.
And Adrian, okay.
So I remember earlier you mentioned, oh, there wasn't much of a plot.
I think there was quite a plot to it.
No?
Because the goal didn't say there wasn't.
I don't know.
Well, what did I say?
I don't even remember what I said, but.
Well, like it was a very, it was a chill.
It was a chill hangout.
Very chill.
Yeah.
But I think there was a lot of depth into.
Not as chill as Days and Confused, but this had more of a plot
and then end up where they
had to, they had that music, uh, that battle the band sort of thing.
and how it just worked out really well for them.
I mean, it was a, I thought it was a really great story and very in-depth.
Yeah, so I was
confused about when they got arrested, and then you see them in court,
and the next scene, they're just back at Che's house
The plot descripture
mentions a loophole that got them through that.
But what was the loophole?
What was the thing that that kept him out of prison?
Because they were like It was It was Chang finding the vodkaka in the glass of the.
That was it.
That was the thing that got them on.
I'm assuming that's what it was.
I'm assuming that's what it was.
I was like I'm drinking on a job.
I'm assuming.
Wow.
Yeah.
I forgot I forgot that part.
And you know, I had mentioned like how short a movie it was.
But but uh
it took me three days to watch it.
When
I first started, it was like Monday night.
But I started watching it like at 1145 or like midnight.
Some say you're still watching it to this day.
That was Monday.
Today's Wednesday.
Yeah.
And then last night or yesterday we had I had a work event.
I didn't get home until late.
I was just tired.
So then I watched the rest, the majority of it this morning
And then after work, I had like 20 minutes left.
And I finished it.
So I finished it somewhat recently.
There was a few things that that I wanted to con mention.
I, I't quite remember it right now.
Okay.
How about we d back?
We circle back.
Justin
Hello.
Hello.
How are you feeling tonight, by the way?
Feeling extravagant. fellas.
I'm feeling groovy.
Yeah, man.
What does Chee and Chong mean to you?
Is this like a quintessential Justin movie?
You know.. okay, out of all of
the like weed movies that are out there, you know, Days
and Confused, Half-baked, even those, like other silly movies that watch.
Harold K It was kind of a weed movie.
It is a weed movie.
It definitely was.
Definitely.
Yeah, it definitely was.
I feel like this one's my favorite one
I just feel like,
the jokes just hit a little bit better in this compared to other movies.
Uh, I feel like, I feel like, uh, it's all pretty down to earth.
Uh, but like when, when it's funny, like, it's really funny.
Um,
I, I honestly don't have like a
scene in particular that I didn't like at least giggle at a little bit, even if
it was like one of those really corny dad type jokes.
Right.
I thought it was a, I thought that part was like super funny.
Yeah.
Especially the concert.
The Concert was
really funny.
Um, I was like, oh, I, you know what the music was actually pretty good too.
So I was like, oh, you know, this is actually, do you think like they record that song?
Because I know that they were all musically inclined.
But do you think they performed that or you think it was a
recording over?
I think, well, it could be a mixture of both because So
this is kind of a low budget movie, and I think they wouldn't have had..
So I do believe before they made this movie,
they had released albums, comedy albums.
Oh.
Right.
So they must have, like, at least, if they not
didn't have this already recorded, they
probably had like planted the seeds
of up in smoke within the process of recording previous albums.
That's I don't't quote me on that.
I do believe that
they did record albums before.
Well, I was just reading on the trivia
page and IMDb that Chee Ch Chong performed comedy together.
And that's how they sort of convinced people to help fund this movie.
Because this was a low budget movie
that made like $100 million worldwide, which for
a small budget movie in that era, that's a lot of fucking money.
Yeah, it is.
Clearly it was a bit of a, but it's still considered a bit of a,
well, not a bit of it, it's still considered a cult classic.
Yeah.
Which is interesting, but it makes sense.
Oh, that was loud.
Sorry.
But, um, but yeah.
And wasn't this part of the whole series of,
because Ch Chin Chong did multiple weed movies in Dij Chong, right?
They did like three or four of them.
It just Aren't they releasing a new one?
Are they really?
I believe so.
I thought I saw a trailer for it.
Jesus, Tommy Chong was up of 19338.
He was born in 1938.
I' not realizing that old.
He's still around in smoking?
Yep.
And Chee man.
F that weed, keeping him young.
Yeah haven't his greens.s younger.
So 38, 48.
So he was already 40 years old when they'd made this movie.
He was 40.
Wow.
Wow.
Yeah.
You know what's what I noticed?
Everybody in this movie looks old.
Yeah..
Oh, God damn it.
It's such an amateur move.
That's the other thing I noticed about older contemporary movies is that like,
like some actor will be like, oh, he was 25, but he looks like 50.
Like
back in the day, people like age differently.
Like now we age kind of the other way, but
we're internally, we're a lot older just with, you know, all the economic turmoil and everything else going on.
But I find that so interesting.
Yeah, like people back then, like an
18 year old looked like you already had a mortgage and a job, you know, it's a career.
That's crazy.
Yeah, it was funny.
Like at the very, very beginning of the film, like they're in the front yard when Cheech is leaving
And like they're cutting hair, I think.
And like those kids look like they're they're 30.
Those kids.
Yeah.
You know what it was?
It was all the lead and the gasoline age people more back then, I think.
Yeah.
Lead in the skin hair.
And then better than.
It was all the lead, the racism
There was a lot of leads.
There was less of a hole in the ozone layer.
There wasn't any chemtrails.
Actually, the hole was bigger about. back then.
I think we've actually, closed the hole.
Huh.
We closed the hole.ld.
How do you feel about that?
So the hole got.er like tighter.
Did the hole hole close?
It's a much smaller hole is the point.
So we should appreciate that.
A smaller hole within a hole.
Yeah.
Um, featuring Shia LaBouf.
Starting Shia LaBeouf.
Alex, what is, what did this movie do for you?
I mean, I don't know that you typically watch toner comedies, right?
Like, that's not really your
I mean, your bag, is it?
So, no.
I was never, I was never like into that culture.
That looks delicious, by the way.
Oh, you son of a gun.
Hornld has a double double in his hand. anyway anyways.
So, I
be like, whatab burgers burger.
Yeah, right.
Anyway, sorry, go on.
Go on.
They got bought out by a, what is that?
One of those big companies?
Oh, one of those private equities?
Yeah, private equity, yeah.
Anyways.
When private equity buys in and out, it's over, guys.
It's fucking over.
Anyway, go ahead.
Yeah, exactly.
So there, I found a lot of different little interesting
things about this whole, this film that, in
my whole movie I enjoying experience within like, um,
you know, of the whole culture in general,
um, that I found similarities in a lot of stuff that I liked, you know?
One of which was these kind of compendium style
films that
where they kind of like, they made these films that had just a bunch of sketches.
Like films like Kentucky Fried Movie,
Amazon Women from Mars Amazon Women on the Moon.
And then even like the Monty Python films.
They were all kind of like, if you look at
Up in Smoke, it
was filmed as if like they were all sort of like, um, what do you call it?
Sketches..
Each scene was like a sketch.
And it's funny.
I think of that now because I I'm not sure if it was
Trey Parker and Matt Stone that brought up that whole storytelling,
writing style, or if it was David Lynch,
which is two opposite sides of the spectrum, I know.
But like one of those like one of those two
groups had talked about how like, if you're going to write a movie, just
write a a scene every day and it turns out to be like almost like a sketch.
It might have been Terry Parker or Mstone that said the sketch word,
but like it should feel like a series of sketches that are kind of connected.
And so
as you were talking about like how like with this
film versus like Daz and Confused,
yeah, are different and like where Dazed and Confused where you
say that it didn't have a plot or had a very thin plot,
but it's actually what that kind of film is called like Slice of Life
So it's kind of like Dana Life.
Whereas like this is like very
much, it's strung along by a very thin plot line.
Yeah.
But when I was watching it, it felt disjointed.
But at the same time, I understood that, you know,
looking at they were comedians before this
So it would make sense for them to write things as sketches.
Disjointed.
Right.
He made a.
You were waiting for that one.
Orn't you?
That was not scripted.
We didn't do that in rehearsal.
But yeah, that's what I thought was really cool.
Like, even to this, like, like
a little bit afterwards, that whole style of
films, there were like
compandium films, like even the horror
genre with Creepshow, you know, that is the kind of that
style, where it's all like short film, sort of sketches
kind of feel, kind of strung together with like a thin plot line or just a theme in general.
So like that, in that era
I thought that was really cool.
Like to like think of it in that sense, like the
way that they kind of developed as comedians and then created
a film simply out of their comedy, you know?
Right.
I think that format works too.
I think it works with the kind of story that they were telling here because
it's it's not so much about a story as it is
about showing, like you said, a slice of life and that that
life is like this sub subculture of hippies
and stoners and those type of people and just kind of their
their lives and the weird antics they get themselves into
you know, trying to find someone to sell some weed, going to a fucking
music competition, picking up some b babes on the road.
And of course, like most people, running from the cops, right?
Because you have the cops after you for
for having weed.
And not just having weed, but maybe making a whole fucking
truck made out of the material truck weed,
which is like wildest fucking subplot I've ever seen in the weed.
No, they're not packing the weed into the paper.
They're making the car out of weed.
That's insane.
That's such a stoner idea.
You know what I mean?
They They had to have been high when they wrote that, just that part alone.
car out of weed.
Uh Which is funny because if
that car was cheuly made out of weed and all the parts were made out of weed,
wouldn't the combustion ignite all and they getting behind a whole time?
Well, I like Well, it was.
I like the idea of the police officer being behind them getting stoked.
I think they got they hit something
They hit something, and that's what caused it.
Like leak.
I don't know what it was.
Something, yeah.
A. It didn't even matter.
It doesn't even matter.
It just happened..
Or with the cop and everything.
Who's getting the contact tie from it.
Yeah. he say to them, he's like,
what do you guys want?
Or what does say?
Yeah, he's like, What do you want?
He's like, what do you want?
He's He's like, I got the buy that hot dog.
I'm like, yeah, man, just drink the whole thing.
He's just like, it's funny how they didn't seem like
like stupid one of the things that like that was
funny to me is like right when
you get a little whiff of the smoke, then all of a sudden, hungry, hungry.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And that's how they do it too.
When I saw them eat the hot dog,
my mind went straight to like Costco.
I was like, oh, man.
Oh my God.
That sounds so good.
I having a Costco hot dog.
I love those Costco hot dogs.
Costco is the only place left in America, I think, where
you could still get a lunch under $5 in this country.
Yeah.
You can still go there, get a hot dogs.
And a slice of pizza for under six bucks.
I can do a buck50.
You know, you go there during lunchtime, your hors doeuvres
are all the samples, and then you finish off with the hot dog in a drink.
Do you guys remember, and this is so off topic,
but Ed, you guys remember when Costco had the hot dog takeout window?
Like outside of the store?
No, what?
Oh, yeah., yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I know they changed it.
They changed it because they're like, oh, you got to have a membership to get our fucking hot dogs.
But there used to be a point in time that you used to be able to go.
Kind of like how they do in the Lowe's parking lot.
Home Depot.
Was it like a stand
Like, it was like a hot dog stand.
It was like a cart.
It was like, it was a walk-up window that was like, because
the food court was like closest to the entrance, at least the one I went to.
And then you were able to buy hot dogs without having to go inside at one time.
Well, that's how it used to be here
that's how it used to be here in Sant until like maybe a few years ago.
But like what happened was there were Costco's.
Remember the one in Palm Desert?
The Costco?
You couldn't go to that one because you had to have a car to enter.
But here the ones that had the stands
outside, you could just used to be able to just walk up and like buy hot
dog, not even be a member, which I think is stupid, right?
They're making money off of you regardless
Yeah.
Let somebody buy without a membership card.
I think you can, this is still very off topic.
I think you can still go to a Costco without
a membership card and get just to get food from the food court.
I don't think you have to.
No, you can't.
You can't.
Are you sure?
You have to scan because they make you scan your card now at the when you pay.
Well, yeah, folks, Here's what you do.
Here's the workaround.
You go in there, you're like, I don't have a membership.
But I'm thinking about being a member.
Can I check out the store?
And then you wander around, you have the samples
then you finish off with the hot dog.
Like, we're going to think about it.
I I'm going to compare with other storiess.
I'll be back.
It's.
No, but you can't just go up to the couchter anymore.
and just buy a hot dog without your I thought you.
I thought you could go inside the food.
I can.
It's.
Don't they check your card before getting in now?
They're supposed to scan your card at the counter even when you're paying it.
You know what happened?
Is that new scene of the Costco got a couple years ago.
He's changed.
A lot of things.
F that guy, man.
Right.
He's changed.
Yeah..
You know You've changed.
You're not.
I want gym.
I'm in a plastic cart.
I don't want him in a bag.
That's just lame.
Where are my churros, man?
I want my churros, yeah.
Or my shelf stable milk by
Marcel's Modern Pantry.
2%.
That was a good prop to have also.
Anyways, now you're getting me hungry, thinking about.
Reoring Costco hot dogs, thinking about fucking shelf staple and milk.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
One more thing I wanted to talk about.
I loved one of my favoriterites, there was a lot of good moments of this movie.
One of my favorite moments was the fucking moment where they're, they
think they're being rated and he looks like he's like, oh, it's just letigra.
Now don't worry about it.
We're.
That was good.
Sometimes we call it.
I like free lunch.
Yeah.
It's funny, especially
watching that in a modern context with everything going on with ice and all that shit.
But back then.
So innocent back then.
So innocent during the Carter administration.
I like the moment with the nuns.
That was another good moment.
Yeah.
At first they're all like,
and then they got into it.
I knew that was going to happen.
I totally forgotten about this scene.
When I saw that, like, went down, I was like, oh,
no, they're going to make them like, I'll get off. something like that.
Yeah.
That was good.
What was up with the dog on its back
with its legs just pointed straight in.
I know it was dead, but what happened there?
I still don't get how the dog died.
I'm trying to remember that scene.
I don't remember that. that scene.
I really don't remember that scene.
When they're at the rest stop and the cops are like, no,
no, it's a green van that's got the weed or whatever.
I like, okay, let's go, let's go.
And they're rushing to get in the car and then they see the dog.
They look over to the dog because the dog sniffed the marijuana in their van
And then later on on when they' creing,
they look over and the fucking dog is just on its back dead with the street..
Are you talking about that the dog border?
the border.
Yeah, at the border.
What happened to the damn dog?
I don't get it.
It.
Yeah, the dog got high.
He got super high and just, super high fell asleep.
The caught made it sound like it was dead.
He's like, oh, I lost one of my best.
Cops.
I love that dog.
It was the best cop I ever worked with.
So that's why I thought, like, oh, that dog is dead.
My dog, Molly, she sleeps like that sometimes
with her legs straight up in the air.
Yeah.
Are you serious?
Well, maybe not straight up on our side though.
That's an exorcism shit right there on him.
You
Tea posing animals in video games.
Yeah, but that was an interesting scene.
What else?
A lot of interesting memorable things.
You know, okay, it was a short movie.
I was like, oh, you know, I'm like, I had a phone call in the middle of the movie.
So I paused it.
It was like, man, you know, I think this movie is like two hours because it felt like it was two hours.
And I looked at the time, I'm like, oh, it's only like
an hour and 20 minutes to get through this whole movie.
And so I was like, wow.
I feel like this movie feels a little long to me.
You know, even stones, you know, because I'm
just sitting there and like, I'm giggling and laughing, but then I'm
like, all right, yeah, I'm time to wrap up this adventure of deal.
Who's this little guy
The hell?
This is this is Kaliana.
The Kaliana.
Aliiana.
Aliiana.
And I think just a little baby out of nowhere our first thing I was like, is that a doll?
Arnold.
I'm full of surpris as a baby, then all of a sudden In-NOut burger.
Okay, Now we're back to talking about.
But she wants some milk, cardled?
Is she a little sad?
She looks like she's looking for someone.
She's looking at them.
There's just a little smile.
Oh, that's cute.
Yeah, I look how we have a baby on.
We're talking about a drug movie from that.
Oh, that's funny.
Isn't that funny?
Let's get her as a permanent co-host on this show.
All right.
Thanks for the day.
How about she?
Like six months?
Oh, no, like going on seven months.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, months.
Oh, going on eight months, actually.
Oh, oh-oh.
Oh, yeah, she likes your headphones.
Uh-oh.
You're going to be a.. eight months soon, huh?
She's going to wash up and smoke too when she gets out.
Yeah.
Thanks for the cameo.
Yeah, good stuff, Arnold.
Good stuff.
Okay.
So what else do we want to say about this movie?
I feel like I feel like we covered a lot.
I think it was the perfect length, by the way.
I think if it was any longer, it would have felt like three hours, Justin. whether you're still.
I want to bring one point another point up, actually.
Absolutely.
Real quick.
All right.
So we were talking about like the way this movie was filmed, like the style of it.
You know what it reminds me of?
I don't know if you've guys seen it, but Endless Summer,
which is a surfing documentary from the 70s
or 60s?
I think.
I only saw the sequel.
Oh, man.
The original is so good.
But like, obviously it's a documentary, so it's a lot
of like POV footage of their like long
trip across the world to catch every wave for every
summer for every country or something like that.
So it was kind of like a cool little travel documentary.
But it was filmed in that way.
And I think
Up in Smoke, is filmed in that like hippie
surfer, like lifestyle type of thing, even though it wasn't like a POV
raw footage type of thing, it still had that like
personality of like, oh, you know, taking the trip
to California to go see the surfers type of deal,
like good old-fashioned buddy road trip movie.
Yeah.
I was going to say also
you were saying that it felt long, even though it's only.
Notice how the other big difference between movies back
then and now, even low budget movies and high budget movies from back then,
the editing, the pacing, was a lot slower.
Like it wasn't.
Everything today is edited super fast.
I feel like movies from back then
especially more contemporary movies, they took their time.
Like even that opening shot where Chee is going around his
car and shit That was like, I was watching.
I was like, this feels long.
And then, and then like, I remember, I was like, well, yeah, it's 1978.
Like people just had more of an attention span back then.
They gave time for the scenes to breathe.
Yeah.
Yeah. anybody left the park that like, you know how you're mentioning it?
him, like wiping down the car with his beanie and stuff.
And then
he straight up Hawks aoo like spits on the windsh.
He's like, yeah.
I like what you with beanie and the top most of the movie, by the way.
The what?
It's G. He's wearing a halter top like throughout the moment.
He's mid-driven explode throughout And a lot of characters
in the extras are that also had midrifts exposed in this movie.
I was like, okay, that's different.enders.
Arnold, do you still have your halter ear cropped up?
Oh, no.
Wait, what are you talking about?
I never had one.
Oh, never remember that one time we took that trip to Portland and you were dancing in front of like our friends John
Were you really?
And you were like.
I't clapped my heels there?
unlocked.
Yeah.
I' So we took a trip to we took a
trip to Portland to visit our friend John, Elcntara when he was living up there.
He used to own a used bookstore up there.
And we stayed at his house and like
he just had a kid.
This is their first kid.
And they were like, we were watching some music videos or something in his his living room.
And then all of a sudden Arnold reappears.
He leaves the living room and he reappears as
like because his John's little son is dancing
to some music video or something like that.
And then all of a sudden Arnold reappears
from nowhere wearing this his crop
top and dancing around.
No white boots?
It was a white crop top.
Oh, actually, what it was, what it was is, you
know, it was a white, just a regular white t-shirt and like undershirt
And then it was one that started to have a hole in the armpit.
And then what I meant to do was was rip the arms
off so that way it would be almost like a little, like a tank top.
But I ripped it, but then instead of ripping the arms off, it ripped
it across this way, but then right above the nipples.
So then, so then you
can imagine it, you Were you trying out for the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader?
Is that what it was, Arnold?
You can tell us.
You can be honest.
I try not for a lot of teams.
Oh, okay.
For the cheerleaders quality, course course.
I kept that shirt for the longest time.
But I ended up retiring it.
I ended up, it went in.
Is that it?
He found you.
Oh, wow.
That's hilarious.
Wow.
That was when I gained a little bit of weight.
I think was something about 160 right there.
Yeah, Alex with the receipts.
Or was it one of my doppelganger?
Yeah, it was the guy from the movie that you were, the episode of George Lopeis show.
Yeah, exactly.
Season four, episode 20.
Yeah, season four.
That' be easy to remember, right, guys?
I think, yeah, exactly.
Well, you know..
I don't have much more to say about this movie other than I enjoyed it.
It was It was a fun, you know, little little stoner flick.
It's perfect for a stoner.
I think so.
I appreciate, like I said, I appreciate it as a time
capsule of like the kind of movies they just don't make anymore.
Yeah.
I thought I thought it was, it's interesting.
It's also interesting to see LA. in like the late 70s, you know, like,
for being the late 70s, you always hear about like how New York was like a cesspool back then.
I feel like LA was actually relatively clean in that era.
So cesspool now.
but back then, I think L.A. was actually cleaner.
New York was dirtier.
Now L.A is filthy and New York is, well, it's still filthy, but it
has a better reputation than L.A. does.
So that was supposedly took place in L.A?
I thought it.
Yeah, that was where I was going.
I thought so.
Well, yeah, you could tell because it was at the Roxy.
Oh, I know.
Which, by the way, so the
Roxy, but this film actually has ties
to the punk scene during the.
Oh, does it?
Yeah, which is interesting because so during
the last the Battle of the bands,
there were several bands in there that performed.
There's The Dills, which is like this band.
There's like first wave and second wave punk bands that actually were part of that
that Battle of the bands scene.
There's this band called the Mau Mau.
And then the most, notably,
the germs, which they were supposed to perform, but
they got so wasted that they didn't perform.
But you could see them in the crowd.
Nice.
I thought you were going to say it was the Loogie clap.
What's The loogie Clap?
show that have the name of them.
I think it was the name I wore on the bands.
Yeah, like when they were showing on the names.
Oh, I One of them was like Loogie Clap.
I was like, Loo Clap.
That is be awesome.
Yeah.
But that, it's fine.
It's funny.
Like that, that venue, I don't know if the rocksy
wasn't really known as a punk venue because it was like
more of like a, definitely like a rock venue.
But that was definitely the era of like first wave, second wave punk.
But then a lot of those
there's a lot of bands that like later on played at like
places like in Chinatown.
There was like, uh Chinatown proper in
LA. that there was like two actual venues that were the real punk venues.
See, this is why I like discussing movies like this and like Groove
because I feel like they're tied to that sort of indie
scene in general from the era on the place that they were
that they took place and they were filmed in, right.
You won't get that with these big studio movies, like modern movies and stuff.
Like everything is decided by committee and shit.
It's all corporate.
It's all, you know, that way.
But like these kind of movies, I feel like they were more nitty gritty.
They were more grassroots.
You know, you had, you had
real people and real artists and real creators working on these types of projects.
And I'm sure you still have that to an extent nowadays, but I
feel like you don't see that too much in, like with like independent cinema as much even anymore.
You don't see that
You don't see that in a lot of art these days.
A lot of A lot of it has become like very homogenized.
I become having I was having a conversation
with a friend about like the music scene, even up to until like the,
like before, like the early 2010s, it
kind of started to taper off and then that's when it started really becoming homogenenized
where like we were him and I were talking about how,
there's this music venue in LA called the smell.
It's been around for like over 20 years now.
I think, I believe.
But
they started, they were it's like part of the LA. punk
scene, kind of a legendary scene.
But the bands that would play there and then in that era, there's other venues.
Like we just recently posted a video of like
a little thing, a little tidbit
on with our friend Kyle Mson, who who
did a show, did a performance with Val Kilmer,
you know, at this place called Pier Space.
And that whole era, they were just throwing
shit at the wall seeing what would stick
There was like so many really cool, unique
bands and performers.
And then it's eventually kind of just tapered
off and just became this homogenized thing.
And I kind of feel like that's how it is with like film.
and even like some art.
It's just like, it's like you said, it's like art made
by committee and it's just never really good.
And yeah, exactly.
And that's the thing.
Like I said, I, I think
social media and and modern
technology with the smartphone and all that, and now we're entering the AII
age of incidification, ruined
a lot of that sort of organic, grassroots
way of like making and consuming art.
You know, you guys remember probably the late 90s, early 2000s
internet, not the same internet we have today.
There was no Google.
There was no social media really to speak of back then.
You know, people had personal websites.
Remember personal websites?
Yeah.
You know, like blogs and were bigger back then.
Message boards was the closest thing I think you had to social media?
AIM, ICQ, all the chat rooms and chat rooms. chat.
Yeah, like
You can access.
It's a bygone era, man.
Like The era's dead, you know?
Everything's, everything's been ruined.
I miss I miss art that was abrasive
and not for everybody, you know?
Yeah.
I feel like it's people are less willing to take.
This movie is not for everybody.
You know what I mean?
Like it's's a perfect example of that sort of thing.
Exactly
And it like when you
think about it, like that whole era of the post Vietnam
War era where like that's when they
kind of started to like, they were smoothing it out and making things more
family friendly and stuff like that, like the Reagan era
you know?
Or even like you think about like even
the conversations of like between of like
politics at the dinner table were
like, so it's kind of like cordial even, like almost even friendly.
Whereas now it's like you don't you can't even talk about politics and
the dinner table, because like somebody's going to get like really triggered, you know?
We're too divided.
And because we're so divided, we' even, you become
such a toxic culture, you know?
Or, you know, if you don't believe what I believe, full stop
you know, I don't like you.
I don't want to talk to you like that sort of thing.
I hate that meme.
I really do hate that meme. says I'm guilty whatever, whatever,
that meme that goes like, whatever, whatever.
I believe that pineapple doesn't, um,
doesn't belong on a pizza, change my mind or whatever.
Yeah, it's a guy sitting at a table., yeah.
I think, I think that's like so like, that the idea of
being unable to move from
your opinions is such a, like a toxic idea.
You know what I mean?
Like, you like, we need to like
remove that from our from our from our language and our dialogue.
like that we can be, we can't be movable from our opinions, you know?
Like
we have to be able to, we need to go back to being trusting
like facts and science and things like that rather than feeling.
That would be nice.
That would be nice.
If only, but, you know, I'd be like that.
That ship is saled.
Anyways, Up in Smoke Guys, 1978
Classic cult classic weed stoner movie.
I think this is definitely a movie that, you
know, it's going to be up there and like the sort of zeitgeist of like, you know,
uh, not just stoner movies, but just like this
type of like style of comedy that you just don't, like I said, you don't, you don't see it anymore, you know?
So it is what it is, I guess.
But, uh, fun movie.
And I give it a rating a rating on Letterboxd, a strong
three stars out of five.
That's my rating.
But I want to, I want to talk I want to ask you guys and just I'll start with you..
What are your final thoughts in American people and what's your rating and where can people find you?
I love to get high to this movie.
I think it's great.
I feel like it is I
feel like you could really sink in the jokes if you just chill out,
watch the movie, and then life go past you for a little bit, you know?
Yeah.
I think, I think the movie is hilarious.
Although some themes are probably not
entirely too relative to today's themes, I guess.
But overall, good movie.
I've watched it a dozen times and I'll probably watch it a dozen more.
I mean, it's kind of tradition at this point.
Yeah.
like Chee Ch Chong's up in Smoke is like
my home Alone of 420, you know?
I feel like in the late 90s, this would have replayed
on like TNT or one of those two.
Oh, it played all the time on TV, dude.
All the time.
So that's howd That's how I watch it.
Yeah.
And I think I have it on VHS.
I just didn't watch it on VHS.
Oh, well.
Anyway, I give it a three stars out of five.
Pretty average. comedy.
Smoker comedy.
Nice.
And work can the good people find.
Oh, right You can find me on social media.
Shibbs is a Zombie, S-H-IBBS, the zombie.
Go to my Instagram and it will
link you to anything and everything else as long as you check out my bio.
And that's it.
All right, Alex, let's go to you next.
What are your final thoughts?
What's your rating and where can people find you?
Um
I like I say before, I don't smoke weed.
But, uh I do enjoy a good stoner movie.
It's just obviously something like I don't constantly watch.
I think the only like stoner 420
film that I've like watched regularly are maybe
Harold and Kumar.
And I don't don't
really watch that. haven't watched it a lot.
I've seen it like more than I've seen Up in Smoke.
But definitely not as much as I've watched Days and Confused.
Yeah.
But, you know, you know me, I'm
like a very, like cerebral kind of person.
I enjoyed like that sort of like a dialogue amongst
the people in Days and Confused than I have.
You're a thinker, Alex.
You're a thinker.
I mean, I'm not going to say that, like Up in Smoke is not a thinking man's movie.
I mean,
It's like, it's
like you would think about this movie in
a very particular Alex sort of way.
You know what I mean?
I mean, like, again, like, I talked about like the music scene in this film.
Like, I thought that that was very interesting, you know?
It wasn't something that, like, I don't think anybody really brings up a lot
but it does have ties to the punk scene.
Yeah, which I thought was really cool, you know?
And then just thinking about like the way
it was structured and everything like that and how the,
that era, how like there was a lot of movies that were like that.
I used to watch the Kentucky Fried movie a lot.
I don't know why.
I just like, I like the sketch comedy aspect of it, you know?
And that's, I love sketch comedy in general, which is why I was the guy that made airplane, right?
I believe so.
I think I'm pretty sure.
I think I think they even had a fake trailer
for the airplane the movie in Kentucky
Fried chicken, like a fake one or they were just about it.
Yeah.
But anyways,
But yeah.
yeah, it's it's it's it's a great time capsule.
It doesn't hold up..
For sure.
But like at the same time, if you were from that
era or you took the time out to like understand that time
time frame, I think you'd enjoy it.
Like, I think people, um, especially if
now, if you were like, like, it
is like part of the stoner culture culture, you know?
Very intrinsically tied to it.
and it helped open the doors to like making
it acceptable in a way, you know, that
I, like you have people like them and then you have
people like Snoop Dogg, you know, who made
that culture acceptable, you know?
Willie Nelson.
Yeah, William Nelson.
Exactly.
He was his He had a song up in Smoke at the very end of the movie, you know?
What was that beer movie with the
four guys and they were supposed to?
Beererfest.
Oh, Beerfist.
They were supposed to make, they never made Weed Fest.
Yeah, they did.
Did they?
But it's called something elsese.
It's not called Weed Fest.
It's called something else.
Okay.
Well.
But They did make a weed movie, but it it wasn't very well received.
Oh, that's too bad.
Compared I never heard that.
All right.
I don't know.
It's all right.
Yeah.
But yeah, for me, it's I enjoyed
it, but it was for me, it was just like like a two and a half.
It's not a bad movie, but it's not like something that like
I really like super enjoyed.
I, I, I got the jokes and I think I
thought it was probably funnier when I first saw it a long time ago.
But now because of the
how many like weed movies have come out since
then and like the jokes have been become evolved and like a little bit more clever.
This is like to me, like the jokes are kind of low-hanging
fruit, like looking back now as to where they are today.
But,
yeah, it's a two and a half.
And you can find me at Daily Dares on all my socialss.
Find me on Dop,ectible Galaxy.
I've been selling and posting a bunch of new stuff there.
I haven't been getting some really good responses on stuff
and kind of building a cool community there.
So yeah.
Colt.
Awesome, awesome.
No, thank you, Alex.
I really have to say I appreciate your contributions
to every movie we talk about because you always bring up stuff that I never would have known otherwise.
adds texture to like, you know, the background of each movie.
So, you know, I really do appreciate that.
Thank you.
So, you know, that's great.
That's great.
Because like, I never would have known.
And then like I said, that's what's so good about the show.
It's like, we never, there's so many ways I never would have watched on my own.
Never.
And I never would have watched, what was the,
movie the Arnold Pitterban film.
No, no, no.
Oh.
Oh, that's not that..
There's JohnClaude Van Damme movie.
Oh, Blood.
Blood.
I never want to watch.
I mean, yeah, that's the one.
That's so good.
I mean, Blood Sp.
Blood Sp was good, yes.
Just to be clear.
Rocky IV.
Rocky IV?
Lawnmower Man
Like those movies like, the hard hitters of cinema.
The Bruce Willis movie that Anthony picked.
Oh, Hudson Hawk.
Oh, Hudson Hawk.
I want to re-watch that movie because it's so silly.
I just want to rewatch it.
It's so silly.
Oh my gosh.
We need a silly goof movie like that.
Arnold.
Did you finish your In-N-Out?
Did you finish your double double with L now?
No, I'm eating it slowly.
Slow burn.
Slow burn.
I just wanted to say slow burn because, you know.
Yeah.
You burn 20.
You know, You're learning the language of cinema.
Well, you're thoughts.
You guys have.
It's kingdom, bro.
It's Kino.
I do enjoy chatting
about whatever movie that we do because it helps me to have a.
It's like, you know, a meal like, you
guys help it help me to digest it better.
Like, like I understand.
That's a great way to put it.
You guys are like like the enzymes
that I, that I I sometimes take on a big meal.
Like it's very hard for me.
There was a lot.
And you know, like, like this movie was, you know, was very in depth with a lot, a lot of plot.
And uh, and so with
this with the discussion with you guys, it really helps for me to digest it.
Andnold full
and I can really absorb all the
nutrition, all the information that I had.
All the proteins and amino acids and healthy fats.
Yeah.
I mean, it took me three days to watch this, you know?
Am I ear spoon.
Can I be your spoon?
Help me digest.
I mean a spoon?
Or a spoon, maybe fork?
I'll be your big spoon.
Or Can I the Bismol from like all the
Here comes the airplane.
Or how about a malletit that tenderize the meat?
You?
Yeah.
Who's?
Who's me?
Pound that meat, Arnold.
Get those garlics from Marino Valley or wherever they're from.
Oh, yeah.
Where's it from?
Where are the garlics from?
Uh, Garlic.
Gilroy.
Gilroy.
Hang your meat?
That's like the third episode this Gilroy was made.
I'm going to that in.
I' just forcibly worked that in along with my table.
Oh, yeah.
I just, this movie, I thought
wasn't It wasn't like.
The jokes weren't like hilarious to me, but I just
thought that how hilarious it was, how,
you know, like I had mentioned earlier, how they made weeds seem like,
oh, like the instant that you inhale it, you're like, oh, you're you're you're so hungry.
because it that usually doesn't happen to me.
I mean, I mean, I've never done that stuff before.
You can't if you want to maintain you know 160 pound weight, you know?
So some of the things like how,
I don't know, it wasn't
exactly how I, back, at least back in the day, because back in the day, you know, it was different.
You know, weed was illegal,
wasn't accepted, and, you know, everybody had to like hide it, you know?
I mean, you didn't, but I found it.
You're afraid of getting in trouble and stuff.
And so like nowadays,
it's just so, you know, it's open, it's legal.
Like, man, that was something that
Chee and Chong, you know, and even a lot of people in weed culture
bone Thugs and Harmony, you know, a
lot of rappers and stuff, everyone in that culture, they always
almost like dreamt about a day that that, oh,
that it would be legal and that you I think one of
N's lines opening lines
on one of his songs is like, imagine smoking weed
in the street without cops harassing.
And then like 20 years later or even
less, it's like, dang.
that's here we are.
It's come true.
So
yeah, you know, this movie, it's it's a lot.
It doesn't.
What was the term you guys said?
Hold up to time?
It doesn't hold up well.
It doesn't as Hold up well.
In some aspects, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
But what was definitely entertaining just of
just of how
that culture was back then and and the change, how it's evolved now.
I mean, damn, it's so accessible.
You know, you have it in a pen, you know, which, at the end, um
he had like hash.
I never smoked hash, I don't think.
But then he was using like a, like a pin.
Like I never, I can't recall smoking hash.
Yeah, I didn't know how that, how
that, that way of consum.
Well, because hash is waxy.
So if you get like a piece of metal
to like a really hot point and then you kind of just dip it.
It kind of burns automatically.
So you're able to.
That's why you just do it that way.
Like just getting high, just off like, yeah, incense style.
But it's like a waxy substance that that burns into a little bit of the smoke
And at the end, he's all pouring the beer on a.
Yeah.
They wore like the same.
Well, well Chong he had a couple of changes of clothes, right?
I think.
But he wore the same
outfit other than being when he was when
they're in the courtroom and Well,
he had a jumpsuit when he was trying to like pretend he was the furniture moving company.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And then he had the tutu at the Battle of Vance.
which I was thinking about that.
Even some of the lyrics that they were saying, it was back
then, even how would you say it?
Not very accepted, you know, even like
a lot of you know, gays had to also
had to you know, be very careful, almost hide it.
But where, you know, I think one of the things he said was like,
well, my daddy just sold me because he caught me aware of my sister's clothes.
And, um, uh you
know, people back up probably would have laughed about it, but like, uh,
a bold choice of lyrics to say, you know, in a movie like that.
I don't.
That's very interesting idea.
I didn't even remember that.
Clear mind.
Did you watch it Faded or what?
What?
You Pothead?
I've told you.
Yes.
See, guys, this is actually not a picture of me.
It's actually Alex.
Oh, look how
Look at that...
How come you said it was you earlier on?
You didn't say that it was me.
You forgot.
Are you hiding now too?
inos look alike?
We can't hear you, by the way.
We can't hear you, Arnold.
I don't know what happened.
Arnold, oh, no.
He unplugged the.
No, I accidentally hit.
I guess I accidentally hit the.
Who's high now?
Yeah.
Who do you think you are I am?
You got that good eye, Justin.
You got that Google eye.
Is it Ash Wednesday?
Oh, yeah.
Is that a voyeur camera?
What is it?
Yeah, it's It's
kind of like your iPad watch, but for your forehead.
It's a snuff film camera.
Oh, God, I still have to edit that.
Yes.
Oh.
Well, my final rating,
I don't I wouldn't say that I had a Z rating because even though..
Because I stopped it because I was like, I'm tired.
I go asleep.
But zero Zs.
And it would have been pretty cool
that this movie would have a 4.20 rating
how I often give ratings for movies here.
But it was very, very
light, very easy, easy watching movie.
You kind of, you know, just one, like if you
wanted to get high and watch it and just
be silly and laugh, I give it a.
I give it a two and a half.
The half because of how iconic
of the weat culture, you know, up and smoke, it's like a classic Chee chin Chong.
Yeah, that's my score.
And you can find me in all socials, Arnie Calgo,
doing my thing, you know, posting about this podcast, which
Post more about it.
But then heavy on my food posts.
So I try to have a little balance and try to trick you all up.
People are always like, oh, I love the food.
I love your food stuff.
And all of sudden all of sudden sudden I post something about the Lakers.
And I' like, oh, dude, you all here a Laker fan.
And then all of a sudden I post something about the podcast.
Yeah, yeah.
You're like,
s circing y'all up.
I, um, I can I have
to skip your food posts because then I get hungry because everything you make looks so fucking delicious, by the way.
I know.
Oh,.
You should start like your own, um, HelloFresh, you know, Arnold Fresh or something.
Arnold.
Arnie.
I got to think of something.
Arnie Fresh I'll be your first
and only customer because I want some home cooked meals..
If I had Arnie Freresh, Manif Freresh from the Hot Boys,
he might be like, hey, man, copy my name.
Yeah.
All right, all right.
Well, thanks for that.
Thanks for those words, for the plugs, for all that good stuff.
And I already gave my review and stuff.
I quickly plugged my own socials boots too big
on social media and you can find the show.
I' seen a podcast.
We're on Instagram.
We're on Blue Sky.
We're on everything.
We're on threads, Facebook, TikTok X. Check us out.
Check us out on our website.
E seen at podcastodcast.com.
Send us an email at podcast.
I've never seenenit at gmail.com.
We'd love to hear from you.
Subscribe to our show. comment on our comment on our threads
Leave us a review on Spotify and iTunes on YouTube.
It helps outs us out a lot.
And if you like our show, share it with your friends.
If you haven't already, of course, leave us a review.
We would appreciate that.
And of course, thanks again to Kyle Matson, a
bird cycle for intro music and our outro music.
You can follow Kyle on Instagram at selfies underscore
food underscore and underscore pits.
Thanks to everyone for listening.
Any last words from the gentlemen?
What's in this shit, man?
It's fucking Labrador.
That's good.
That's good