In this episode, we explore Spike Jonze’s 2013 sci-fi romance *Her*, a beautifully melancholic film about love, loneliness, and our evolving relationship with technology. We break down Joaquin Phoenix’s heartfelt performance as Theodore, a man who unexpectedly falls for his A.I. companion, voiced by Scarlett Johansson. Is *Her* a cautionary tale, an optimistic look at the future of relationships, or something in between? Join us as we discuss the film’s emotional depth, stunning visuals, and its thought-provoking take on human connection in the digital age.
Episode Title: Falling for A.I. – Her (2013) and the Loneliness of Modern Love
In this episode, we take a deep dive into Her (2013), Spike Jonze’s poignant sci-fi romance about love, technology, and human connection. Joaquin Phoenix delivers a heartbreaking performance as Theodore, a lonely writer who unexpectedly falls for his A.I. operating system, voiced by Scarlett Johansson. As we explore the film’s themes of isolation, intimacy, and the ever-blurring line between human and artificial intelligence, we also examine its fascinating real-world connections—particularly its parallels to Lost in Translation (2003), directed by Sofia Coppola.
Coppola and Jonze, once married, each created deeply personal films that seem to echo their relationship. Lost in Translation tells the story of an emotionally distant marriage, while Her presents a man struggling with the aftermath of love lost. Both films share a melancholic tone, exploring loneliness in vast, modern cities—Tokyo in Coppola’s film, a near-future Los Angeles in Jonze’s. And then there’s the intriguing casting choice: Scarlett Johansson, who stars in Her as the A.I. Samantha, was also the leading actress in Lost in Translation, further tying these two films together in a way that feels almost poetic.
Join us as we break down the emotional depth, visual beauty, and philosophical questions posed by Her, while also unpacking how Jonze and Coppola used cinema to reflect on relationships, personal growth, and the loneliness of modern love.
Welcome to the Never Seen It Podcast, only podcast called The Never Seen a Podcast worth listening to.
Of course, we have here tonight,ight, One night Only.
Mr. Justin Holden, a.K. Shib Zombie.,
Mr. Arnold Ko, aka Arnie the One Man Party.
Of course, the Brothers Kleo always with us.
Alex Calo, akaa Daily Dares, aka Filipino Grigio.
And then the cousin Klego, Mr. Donnie Guzman, aka Donny Applesed
Of course, then there's me, Boots Too big, aka Adrian Delat Tor.
And I did that backwards, but that's fine.
What are we talking about tonight?
Tonight, we're talking about the 2013 movie Her
Hello, I'm here.
Hi.
Hi, I'm Samantha.
Her?
Her, directed by Spike Jones in
the not so distant future of Theodore, a lonely writer
purchases a newly developed operating system designed to meet the user's every need
The Theodore's surprise, a romantic relationship develops
between him and his operating system.
The unconventional love story blends science fiction and romance
in a sweet tale that explores the nature of love and
the ways that technology isolates and connects us all.
So that's the movie herself really quick.
Before we get into any of that, I want to say really quick, a shout,
because, you know, I don't want people to think that we just do things for no reason around here
I want to give a quick shout out to Burncycle, who did the music, the intro music.
We've used the intro music and intro music for this show for a very long time now.
And I was watching the video he made for on his YouTube channel, Burn Cycle.
Follow him on YouTube.
Burn Cycle 5196.
Don't Think I can Stay as the name of the track
that we used for the opening intro and outro to this show, which is a an awesome track.
I really love it.
So check came out.
And then now moving on to the actual part of the show,
I got to ask really quick right off the bat, who chose this movie really quick and why
That would be me..
I chose it because of my
interest in just exploring the subject matter between, I
mean, last, the last episode was Lost in Translation, and this one is her.
Available.
Yeah.
But it was, I wanted to explore the,
the common response aspect of these films.
Sophia Coppola, the director of Lost in Translation,
and Spike Jones, director of her
they used to be married.
And up until like like
they actually got divorced right before she made Lost in Translation.
And so that Lost in Translation is seen as like a
her response to
the end of that r relationship.
And 10 years later, her was
made and it's actually seen as
Spike Jones's response to
like their relationship and that they ended and his feelings about it and their thing.
And I just, I just thought it was like, and especially kind of kind
of fitting to in a sort of
a somber sense to like the upcoming holiday of Valentine's Day
you know?
And I think that, you know, the aspect of love,
you know, you can't disassociate the loss
part of romance, because we all feel it.
You know, we all feel romance. by the way we've all
have felt the loss of like,
you were grieving grieving them are, you know, the loves that we've lost in our lives.
No, that's great.
Honestly, it's genius that you chose this movie after Lost and.
I feel like that you couldn't find a better companion movie for Lost in Translation.
Like this, these two discs, remember discs, they
would be married if they were in the Walmart bin, you know, the twofor one special Lost in Translation DVD or Blu-ray
and her.
Like, perfect.
You couldn't get more up for me.
It was so great.
They would be married?
They'd be the movie Yeah, exactly.
They'd be married in the same DVD case.
The movie would be married, but not that directors.
They should have a divorce bid.
Not them.
That would be like Mrs. Doubtfire and I
don't know, some other movie where they just Mrs. Doubtfire.
It's just a Mrs. Doubtfire, Mrs. Doubtfire.
Who hasn't seen this?
Who Who here hasn't seen it?
This is my first time.
Oh, okay, great.
Your.
I like that.
So's, let's, because we're sort of pivoting away from doing reviews, right?
We're just, we're doing film discussion now, guys.
We're doing discussion about
cinema.
Because I don't want to see myself as a critic.
I don't see myself a critic.
Exactly.
I just love movies.
Hey, you look like a stinking critic.
I'm just a regular guy that that goes to Walmart, digging through a bin of dicks, discs
discs, you know, finding some movies that I can watch.
I go to dicks all the time for the free gloves.
Yeah.
Arnold likes a bag of dicks and discs.
Arnold has dick ratings.
No, no, no, no.
Disk help me fans.
Donnie, let's start with you.
Did this movie resonate with you?
What did you think?
What did this movie make you feel?
Yeah, like when we watched Lawson Translation,
which I've seen before, I felt like that resonated with me.
But then I watched this one and I was like, damn, this shit really resonates with me.
I mean, I think you guys all know that I went through
a divorce and a lot of the emotions that Theodore
was going through in the movies, I felt was like very spot on with
the real process of like filing the divorce and holding off on it.
And should I do it?
And then he mentioned even that
he was waiting because he cared about her.
Like, I don't I don't know.
It was like, it was so weird for me when I was going through my divorce.
I don't know if that was the exact emotion that I was feeling or thinking,
but it was very hard for me to get to that point where I actually
had to like put together the paperwork and, you know, get the signatures down on paper.
Yeah.
Did you
not to get too much into the weeds about it, but did you,
how long would you say if you were lonely after your divorce?
Was there a certain amount of time where you sort of like gave yourself time to grieve or
were you right back in the dating pool?
Like, how did that pan out for you?
Just out of curiosity.
It was it was a, I think it was a mix of both.
I think like jumping into the dating pool was more like a
way to distract me from what was going on.
And then
the grieving part of it I I don't know if I really gave myself any room to breathe when it came to that.
I really didn't want to share it with anyone.
I felt like I was like, you know, everybody had their own problems.
And so for me, I kind of held it to myself.
I think Alex was one of the first people I called, actually.
But even to Alex, I didn't, I didn't even tell him or I didn't even confess it to him till
we were already done with it.
So it had been like at least almost almost a year year before he, before even he knew.
So I just, I just really kept it to myself.
And so I felt like I was over it, right?
But I think, I think there's days and
times and even even like, you know, more recent times where
like just little things happen and it kind of sparks something and it's like, you, it gets you thinking about it, right?
It's not, not that I'm not over to relationship, but just,
just little thoughts that come back to me and you're like, well, damn, dude, what happened at that one point, right
So, it's funny, like, when
you were experiencing that, even before you told me, I
can tell, like, from social media, somewhat, but like just,
when we get together during family events and
stuff like that, I can see the distance between the two of you.
And it felt just oddly
similar in a lot of my relationships, you know,
when it's when it starts to drift apart, especially with my own marriage
And so, like, I kind of, and that's
one of the things about when you experience something and then you see
your friends going through it, you
like, you want to be the one to be like
warning them and be like, hey, are you okay?
What's going on?
But a lot of times, most of the time you just have to let them
experience it and
go through it.
Because they have they've got their own battles and
their own hangups and own things and it's to
see that see you going through it, like,
you know, like all, all all my friends, like, you know, with
Justin, with, you know, Adrian, you know, you've all,
we've all gone through these sorts of heartbreak, you know, and even like friends that
I've, I've seen a lot of my friends and it's just
hard to sit there and be like, bite
my tongue and like, you want to be there and help them out as much as
you can and just be like, nudge them
in the right direction to be like, hey, like, I'm here.
I'm here.
If you need to talk here, here I am.
But, you know, it's just one of those things.
Well said, and
it's so crazy.
It almost feels like this movie resonated
more with all of us, even more so than Lost to translation.
And that's a movie that still somehow resonated so much with everybody.
But, thank you for that, Alex.
And Arnold, I wanted to ask you, so you watched this for the first time.
Tell me about it, man.
What do you think about her?
Well, you know what you guys are all saying like, oh, it kind of resonates with all of us.
But
to be honest, I've never had really
been in a serious relationship until with my wife now.
Like, I mean, I mean, I've had like relationships
and like wanted to be in relationships with, with,
with girls and stuff and dated, but
it was just mostly nothing serious,
just dating and hooking up.
I mean, that's a form of dating, right?
Did choke me with a dead cat resonate with you?
Like any wild requests in your relationshipships?
No, it was probably mostly mostly me.
Like, ah, shit, I'm a bus.
What does that mean?
What?
No, you kill you're killing the mood.
Sorry,
I don't know if that's edit point, but uh.
No, that's staying in, my friend.
Maybe it's the strawberry margarita.
Powerful stuff.
Not an official sponsor.
Unless you want to.
Yes.
But so, yeah, I don't
really resonate like with.
I mean, I know of a lot of people like, you know, you guys
uh, um, what you guys, what you guys have gone
through and, you know, a lot of you have talked to me about it.
You know, I've been, I've been an ear to, you
know, willing to listen and be there for you, be there
for friends who've been going through stuff, uh, situationsations similar to that, breakups
um, you know, uh, breakups,
failed attempts at hookups.
uh Yeah, you know.
But uh,
gosh, the call and response of that, I was just.
I had to. think about that.
I just finished watching TV.
Let me ask you this, Arnold. 45 minutes ago.
Could you see yourself
in a completely hypothetical situation in
a relationship with an artificial intelligence like he was.
Now, that would be a little tough.
I mean, there might be.
Like, I don't know.
Because I don't know how..
I mean, I mean, that's pretty deep, how they got like even
into it, like, like, like sexually.
I mean, I don't know.
Right.
I've heard of like nowadays how they have like certain like,
like like, like websit toys or something.
like, like they, you know, they connect like, I don't know, probably
via Bluetooth or something.
And like, you know, I don't know how true it is.
I saw like, I got my Instagram or social media or something.
Somebody has like a controller and like they're like playing with it. and then, and then a joystick.
Like the girl, the girl, like they're in a restaurant and the girl's like in the middle of the restaurant.
Pretty detailed, Arnold.
What side of Instagram Instagram about?
No,
a friend, a friend sent that to me and was like, pretty wild.
You should buy me this, Arnold.
Huh?
Well, you invested my company?
Link in the description.
I don't know what you talking about?
I don't even if it's true true.
I don't know if you guys.
Stop shipping right away. heard of this?
Or there was like something I thought it was like a flashlight.
It looked like a flashlight.
Flashlight.
Okay.
But then I changed one letter letter of that.
And my nostrils are dry.
Boogers again?
Boogers again.
No.
That nose candy?
That would be the only way that, you know,
with the support of like some sort of
adult toy. or Right.
Okay.
Here's the thing.
One thing about this movie, I think, honestly, I'm being serious.
I feel like it was ahead of its time
in terms of the themes of the male loneliness epidemic.
Because the crazy thing is, I feel like we're slowly
but surely on the march towards AI companionship, whether
it's in a romantic and or sexual way.
And I feel like
and not to be coarse, but, you know, once we get, once the tech
is right and you can build like a great Android
girlfriend, I mean, if you think that birth rates are bad now, just wait until that happens.
Just wait until we reach that point where the sex dolls are like, do you know what I'm saying?
With AI right out of the box, my friend.
Go That was actually like one of my
Because, I don't know, for me, like,
I started using chat GPT.
And from what I understand, the more that you use it, the better it gets to know you.
You can't flirt with chat GPT because they have all the sex stuff blocked, you know?
Oh, I've tried.
I get what you're saying.
I get what you're saying.
At least right now.
This is like evolving individualized OS.
Yeah.
Like, that's crazy.
Like, I feel like that's coming, you know, like, or we're not that far from it.
Oh, yeah.
That's nuts.
Did you say OS or OF?
OS.
Operating system.
systems.
Operating fans.
Best.
Yeah, operating.
Operating fans, yeah.
Every.
You got the one with the best voice at that, right?
That was that was awesome.
That was actually the same question that I had I had in my notes that I wanted to propose.
Like, would any of you guys be open to that kind of relationship?
And I felt. my answer to that would have been like, no,
because I'm, you know, we talk about love languages and things like that.
And like one of my biggest love languages is touch
You know, I, I need that, you know?
Well, yeah, that's, yeah, yeah.
But that's what I'm saying.
When they can put her inside of a physical thing
that's like super realistic.
Here's the thing, though.
Like you think, if you think about like the character Amy, Theo's friend
she becomes a close friend with her OS.
It's not a romantic relationship.
So I feel like I can, I would be able to have a
friendship with like an OS.
Yeah.
Oh yeah
Yeah, but yeah, you'd have to make it male, right?
Because otherwise, I feel like it could be a slippery slope.
No, no, I I actually have
I feel more.
Here's the thing.
When I was younger, I had a lot more female friends.
Arnold knows this.
A lot of my friends were like primarily female
I mean, I had male friends as well, but I feel I always felt closer to
we were just because they like,
you know, it's kind of funny, like at the beginning when Theo's
setting up the operating system, you know?
He's, he's the operating system
set up asks, um, how is your relationship with your mom?
And it's like, he's like, that was good
But then he starts, he starts going into how in
a way that that she didn't really listen to, like how all the conversations
turned into like experiences, conversations about her experiences.
And that's kind of how I feel.
You know, that's how my relationship was like with her.
And so like my female relationships were always be
like, it was good because I, it was healthy in a way that like these people actually
listened to what I was having to say.
I felt like even though my relationship with my mom was not
like healthy, like my relationships with like women
have always been healthy because they were willing to listen.
And I was willing to reciprocate that, you know?
I thought you were going to say that the OS setup voice
was treating him like how his mom would treat him, by the way she cut him off
and didn't let him finish her thought because boy, could I relate to that on so many levels?
But did you have any more thoughts, Arnold?
I mean, well, let's put the sex stuff aside.
Like, was there anything about the companionship Arnold that you
could see yourself, you know, having that sort of
a dynamic with a AI?
I mean, I mean, if I wonder, well, I
wonder what, what, what year this was in, you know, what type of setting it was.
I think the future.
Yeah, in the future, so they all wear their pants really high.
Yeah.
And
I. You know, fashion is cyclical, right?
Yeah. 90s,
baggy pants are back, baby.
Jinkos.
I don't know how that happened.
I don't think I could ever
I'm waiting for Ben Davis.
I was wearing my Pink Floyd shirt the other day
and some kid was like, oh, nice pride flag, bro. bro.
No, that's a joke.
That didn't really happen.
They would say that if it was true.
Anyway.
Sorry, I right.
How about like, how about like getting in a relationship?
Like, and I know what Alex was saying, like, I guess it depends on your love language, right?
But like a long distance relationship, which I'm currently in one, right?
But that's kind of very similar, not exactly the same, but there's a lot of similarities with that, right?
Yeah.
I mean, eventually you guys will will meet up and get to see each other physically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So in the sense, you do kind of
with a long distance, I mean, you got, you got FaceTime.
That's interesting about the love languages.
Yeah.
I don't always consider that.
You know, I feel like if I had to choose a love language, it'd be like, get out of the way, you're in my way.
You need to have a smell of vision, like like
what emerald would always say, you got to have smelllo vision.
I Wish you guys had smellovision here.
Yeah, that's the next technology that's coming.
Gra.
All right, no, but seriously Alex,
let's let's go to you next because you were already kind of touching on a lot of stuff.
So you talked about why you chose this movie.
Tell me more about your thoughts on it in general.
Oh, God.
I have so many thoughts, and I know I won't get through it.
And like a good
portion of it.
It's Well, so think about the movie as a microcosm.
Like, what is it about the film itself?
Like like things that we saw in the movie that sort of like really stand up?
That resonated with me?
In any way.
Yeah.
So the biggest thing was
what, uh, and excuse me if I start crying, because
it's this, uh,
this film, I kind of held off watching it for a long time.
Because
I knew like the subject matter.
And then later on, even after finding out the correlation
between Lost and translation, and her, I had
heard about that and it
even made me like not want to watch it for an even longer round of time.
I only recently watched it like a year ago.
But uh
it had a lot to do with Theo's
reluctance to divorce, right?
And, uh
Sorry, guys.
No, you're good.
No, it's..
Belie me.
I think I was talking about that scene in the stairway, the stairwell.
Like, that shit hit me..
I remember just re-watching that scene, like hit me like a ton of bricks because it's like,
I've been there.
You know, it wasn't 8,000 people.
It was one.
But one is all it takes to fucking destroy your heart.
You know what I'm saying?
Oh, yeah.
But for me, it was kind of like holding off,
I mean, like, not even just holding off, but like Kling on to the relationship
or the idea of the relationship.
Oh, yeah.
And that's what it was with my marriage.
Like...
I did a lot of stuff to
just suppress those feelings.
I went about like just moving forward.
That's why I started the ghost channel.
That's why I started doing events.
It's why I just like
push, push, push, push, push to just do be creative,
do creative things and not really worry about,
you know, dealing with those emotions that I had.
And
even when like I started dating my most recent,
my most recent girl girlfriend, you know, it ended
in like 2018 officially.
but like, we'd broken up and
then we'd had like this sort of friend's with benefit sort of situation that
it was kind of like, it still was there.
And then
she ended up ghosting me kind of like that whole,
like, you know, just disappearing and like, that really crushed me.
And that whole kind of clinging on to that relationship,
even like, even after realizing like how badly she treated
me, how she made me feel like a bad person for the like choices I've made
or even just simply saying like, well, you shouldn't..
She said, like she she's she was gay,
but she's we started dating either way just because, you know, she was like, I was the first guy that actually
like, had been attracted to in years.
And it was like the situation where
she told me, she's like, well, maybe you shouldn't be, you shouldn't
next time you date somebody, you shouldn't date a lesbian.
And I'm like, in making it like it was my fault, you know?
Yeah.
And every step the way it just felt like to made me like feel like a bad person.
I see even after it ended, I felt like I needed to
like, hang on to that relationship in some sort of way.
And I fought the idea.
I even like, like was depressed because of
Like, I thought I was, I was completely convinced
I was a bad person.
And so I clung onto that, you know?
And I come to like, to terms like now
with more, not even angry.
There were times where there were times where I was angry, kind of like how Theodore probably was, you know?
But then at the end of the
film, you see that he has this gratitude for even having had that relationship
because it helps you grow as a person.
Yeah.
No, that's, I mean, look, for me, the
crazy thing about seeing the writing on the walls when you see the writing on the wall and then you ignore it.
I feel like that's what I did towards the end, because it's like you're trying to cling on to something that
it's over.
Like, you have to know when something's over and then you still want to, you still want to cling on to it.
And it's crazy in that stairwell scene with
Theodore because I feel like he runs the gamut of emotions in that scene.
Like he's first like distressed and then he's like confused and
then he's like, oh, you know, you can hear the sadness
in his voice and then he starts to get a little bit angry angry towards the end when he's asking him like, well, how many and this and that.
Joaquin Phoenix, he's one of those actors, man.
He puts a thousand and0% into every fucking role he does.
And that scene in the stairwell, I feel like, oh my God,
like, that is literally like the best scene, I think, in the whole, in the whole fucking thing.
Just because of the way he, I don't know, and I don't know how he does it.
He's he's actor, I'm not, but but the way he does it is going through all those emotions at once is
s a brilliant.
I thought that Joker, I thought that Joker was going to come out and find
that OS, that doctor that's talking to her and break that chip.
You know, that chip?
I'm going to eat it up and I'm going to spin it out.
I'm going to take a piss on it.
And then I'm going to take the camera and
show Samantha, look at it.
You want to talk to him again?
Oh, you talking about 8,200 people?
All right, I'm going to kill all of them.
That's the crossover we need, right?
Forget Joker Folud Dis or whatever the hell it's called.
I want to see that scene in a movie.
Stack them in half.
Yeah.
Well Well, but she left those.
There's nothing to snap in half.
At the end, they all kind of just like go into some robot ether.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You know what's's interesting about that whole like idea, too, like the,
like, it's a metaphor for,
like the end of that relationship, right?
She, you know, um, he's, she, Samantha
disappears into this, like, like, not a human plane, not the physical plane.
Same in a sense that like, in the
whole column response sort of aspect,
Spike Jones is creating
this metaphor of how even though he's
that she's gone, that Sophia has gone from his life, she still exists.
And, but this is that, like, she exists on a different plane now.
Like they' like, obviouslyviously they're going to possibly, being in the same
Hollywood community, they'll possibly cross paths,
but like, they'll probably like try their best not to, you know?
And so, and you end up like going being in separate
circles, but like, regardless, you know, at the very end of the
movie, he's like, I know you're not here in this physical plane
I can't see you.
I'm never going to hear you, but I'm always going to continue to send you love.
And then that's that's kind of one of those things that like
where I got to a point where my feelings
towards all my past relationships where
I'm always in a love them.
All those people in my life.
But I have to accept the fact that they're never going to be in my
life in my physical world.
And so they're going to exist there and I know they're there,
but.
I'm still going to continue to love them.
Those are those memories that we had and the
growth that I was able to experience being in those relationships.
I mean, that's just part of being human, right?
you know, I understand.
Sorry, guys.
No, don't apologize.
This is good.
This is real.
Look, this is part of being human.
This story, this movie is about what it means to be human, right?
And regardless of the fact that Scarlett Johson's character is
an AI...
It's like, it's such a human story at the end of the day.
And I think that's why this is one of my favorite movies of all time.
And yeah, like, it's hard to watch.
It's hard to watch now, you know, especially as someone who also is
was married at one point.
Because that sort of stuff does resonate because
that's what the human condition is all about, right?
Someone who comes in your life
and they're there for X amount of time, and then they're gone.
But they're not really gone, you know?
It's weird.
And then one of the ways I cope with with things is
like I think about, oh, like the person that I, you know,
stopped being married to, that wasn't even the same person that I met.
That wasn't the same person that I fell for
because people change over time, you know?
And I feel like the person that I fell for 10, 12 years ago, that person's gone.
That person doesn't exist anymore.
You know?
They've evolved and they've changed shape into who they are now.
And so have I, and so is everybody else, right?
Like, we all change.
We're not the same people we were
5, 10, 15, 20 years ago.
Things change.
You're the same person at your core, but you're not the same person in so many other ways.
Yeah, and that's, that's the thing you have to accept, you know, when
in relationships, you know, where we are.
you can't stop growth.
And if you if you try to like
like suppress it, it just actually turns
it into toxicity.
Yeah.
Life is chemistry, right?
Things, they come into fruition and then they,
they sort of dissipate and they change and they come back in a different form.
And that's all life really is.
Like, it's all just, it's all chemistry, you know?
And it's is the word used when it comes to
when it comes to romance.
It all makes sense, right?
So there you go.
Chemistry and toxicity.
What is toxic?
Chemicals is going to be toxic.
This is the pun show now, by the way.
We' talking toxic.
You sitting.
It's also the glasses show because I just realized that five of us are wearing fucking glasses.
That's crazy.
I just realized.
And three of us are wearing hats.
I refuse, damn it.
Punch of nerds.
But now, Justin, now we're on to you.
I want to know, sorry, Alex, I hope
you, I hope you're good unless you had wanted to.
No, I'm good.
I'm good.
Justin, tell us, tell us about her.
Tell us about her, Justin.
Alex, you look good.
Tell us about her.
I've seen this movie twice now.
This is This is my second watch through.
I really love this movie.
Honestly, I forgot how much I liked this movie, to be honest.
And going in knowing
the history between Boston translation
and this movie kind of like enhanced my experience because I
didn't know that going into watching it.
Actually, I watched
her first and I watched Lost
in Translation. but I've seen both
of these movies prior to like, you know, us
wanting to do these movies, but I had no idea that there was
like even like a little bit of correlation.
I just thought they were just two
you know, good movies about, you know, humans and
things. human, the human essence in relationships and things like that.
So, obviously, I
have a kind of like, I
don't know, my life has always just been kind of
like a roller coaster of emotions,
and I've never been married, but I have been close three times
One time I actually bought
a ring, but the other two times it was like,
I was like geared to to get married.
And then, um, and then whatever
the fuck I made, maybe it's me, maybe it's them.
Maybe it's just the
that we were changing all changing during the
relationships I did have, but it just like, I, I was like
down to get married and then it just
just didn't work out at the end.
And it's happened a few times already.
So
this movie makes me think a lot about,
um what like just in general, the pursuit
of the relationship,
especially after breakups.
It's like a lot of people need to
fill that void in between the transition
period between, you know, the breakup point and moving on.
And a lot of people
including myself, and I want to, I want to say I
have improved in my self-worth over the years.
But, you know, being a person that's like
uh, you know, chronically depressed or
was, um, I feel like that that fill in
um, is kind of relatable in this movie,
uh, because I've had that fill in before.
And whether I was aware of it at the time or not, um,
having that AI companion, and I'm
going to just kind of go back to what you asked earlier
about, like, would, uh, would I date an AI companion or an OS?
And I would have a friends with benefits, first of all.
No shit.
No, what I date in OS, I agree with Alex.
I maybe I will have like a friendship
and maybe I would even dip my toes in to see
what the sexual portion of it is.
But I think having a physical relationship relationship
is a little bit more meaningful
than having an OS relationship.
I do like the physical touch.
I do like the companionship of like
being able to go on a random date or a
random do a random activity.
S
Smell.
Yeah, that's that's a good one.
The smell, the touch, the sound, you know?
Taste.
Sure.
And all of that.
So I feel, I feel like I understand Samantha's
points in Theo's life is
that he's just this guy that's trying to
transition from going
from being married to just
being to accepting the
reality because what this movie means to me is that he
is just having difficulty moving on and he can
tell with the divorce papers and you can tell
with the the way he talks to his friends
or the way he treats his job and, um, you
know, none of it, none of it really fills that void except for having
you know, Samantha there to help with that.
And, um, I
think that's a pretty beautiful thing
in in um
literally just lost my train of thought.
But, uh, yeah,
I think I, I can relay in a way, maybe not
entirely, maybe I can't entirely know the situation because I've never been full-on married
but as a person who has gotten to that point a few
times and then to just suddenly lose
it all is
gut- wrenching and eye-opening.
And I also feel like it's taught me a lot about
even myself and about other people.
And I think what I learned the
most from this movie is
like self- self-worth,
that I'm I'm going to be worth it
to somebody and I'm also going to be worth
it to myself at some point point in time.
I just need to stop filling that void if you know what I mean.
Yeah.
And that brings up a question I was thinking about.
Do you think that
at the end of this story, Theodore will find self-worth
or do you think he'll spiral and try to get another?
I guess he can't get another girlfriend because they all left..
But do you think he'll find self-worth at the end of the story?
Like after the story, after the curtains close?
I think Samantha helped him find it.
Because, you know, at the end of the movie when they're
sitting on top of that building overlooking the city
you know, that was that was that moment in time.
It may or may not have stemmed a relationship.
And again, like, I like how this movie was was kind of open-ended
because like they were, they were, they were good friends and they remained good friends.
And then who knows what happens, you know, after that
moment on the top of that building, it's, again, another
movie where it's left open for interpretation
So I think he found his self-worth.
I feel like the letting go of the OS was
that moment that he
was able to understand
his situation and finally accept and
move on from where he was at.
He finally was open to the change.
He did a really good good job of just
the look that he gave after letting go.
He didn't look like he was troubled anymore.
He didn't look like he was bothered
or like emotionally clinging on to something
He looked almost like, okay, like,
stronger, like, ready to move forward or
to move on.
And it was
just the different looks that he gave.
And me, just a brilliant actor., that Joe Queen.
Joe Phoenix.
Yeah.
Well, well, that letter he wrote at the end, right?
That was that was like for him, right?
It was more like, yeah, hey, I accept where I was
in my relationship and my my downffs are, you know, and so it was closure for
their relationship, but at the same time, it was it was really for him.
Yeah, that was really like, go ahead, though.
I don't know.
I kind of feel like maybe they would get back together because they
they were they were like a previous thing.
They did for a little bit in college, remember?
They had mentioned that in the movie.
So, I mean, open-ended and I love that as well, but I feel like
I would like to think that maybe it kind of rekindled something.
I don't know.
I don't know where the movie was going to go.
I thought, I thought that Samantha was starting to get jealous.
you to know each other?
I think that the letter that like
Theo is writing to his ex-wife is
a metaphor for his relationship and his
Spike Jones' finding closure with
Sophia Coppola, you?
Yeah, that's such a good, yeah.
That makes so much sense.
It's almost like
it's like some meta in a way, right?
Like he had to make a movie to do the closure for
the relationship from, you know, with her.
To find me, yeah.
And going back going back to Justin
what Justin was talking about, like
I feel like a
marriage or just a you're just dating,
the end of those is all the same.
And I feel like
grief is grief.
And what you felt
with your previous relationships is similar to
what we felt in our failed marriages,
like with Adrian, Donald and I, our fa marriages, it's all grief.
And it's, you know, we, it hurts.
It doesn't hurt more just because we were married
It just, we have different memories.
We have memories of like the weddings,
the parties.
But those are still things that you experience and it's all still grief.
You know, like we're losing something.
We lost something and you lost something too.
And it's kind of
it's always difficult.
The grief is hard.
Absolutely.
Oh, sorry, I got a frog in my truck.
No, no.
One thing that I always think about when it comes to this sort of stuff is,
and I've told people that's like, you know, I
have to take accountability as well for, you know,
my part in the relationship, right?
Like I'll never say that I was an
innocent bystander in the train wreck.
There there wasn't my marriage, you know?
And I feel like once you start to take accountability for your parts
not just in relationships, but in anything in life.
I feel like that's what helps you grow as a person, you know?
So yeah, so I think that's
why it's so why this movie, why this story, I should say, really resonates
as because it just makes you think about those things, right?
In your own life.
And that's the power of storytelling, my friends.
What does it make you feel, and how does it make you see your
life, you know, juxtaposed with the story?
Like that, that, that right there, that's, oh, I wish I could bottle that up, you know?
I love this movie.
I wish I could ball that up, you know.
Go ahead, Arnold.
I hate to admit it, but
Sorry.
this is making me feel like this whole conversation and, you know,
thinking about the movie, I'm just like, man,
am I really this shallow?
Am I just an al-hole?
No, no, no.
Look, everyone processes art differently.
You know, you go to a museum, you're not going to see it the same painting that everyone else sees.
I sort of started really thinking about this.
Okay.
So, you know, I grew up an age of like, you know, some
of the most secular music that I started listening to was like R&B and hip hop.
And then, you know, you see the R&B videos.
They're like singing like in these music videos
and they're like pouring their heart out and they' sometimes they're right there.
Sometimes they're not not.
And then, but what I would find myself doing as well is singing
like singing it also, but then like, whoever
my crush was or, or, or maybe it was like some,
some, I don't know, like Tiffany Amber Thesen or something from,
you know, that, that I'm in my mind, when I'm singing it, I'm.
Topanga.
You
know, you know, there's I grew up in that age and then
like, then, of course, you know, like, like some friends, like, they
bring over some like videotapes and then like,
we start like sharing like these different videootapes and stuff.
And like It sounds like you're a very sexually charged person, Arnold, right?
Somebody to get his testosterone levels.
I want to see, I bet you there's through the roof.
I feel like you're getting away from the point, Arnold.
I feel like you're getting away from your point.
Do you remember when we saw
Okay.
For you, Carla.
what's her name?
That one porn star at Comic-Con.
And then.
Which one?
There's so many of them.
Really.
Stephanie Swift.?
You're talking about Ali Baggett?
No, it was Swift, The original Swift.
April O'Neeal?
Not Taylor Swift.
Slick.
And then, like, you know, it's her first time meeting me, but I
I remember saying, I feel like I know you already.
And then I
think I kind of said it like in a joking way, but then low key, like,
yeah..
Arnold, you should write a movie where like every
time you jerk off to a porn star, like, like, like she wiggles
or something, and like, you like, you kill someone because you just, they just wiggle them so hard, you know?
That's a really dumb idea.
I don't know why I said that.
I'm cutting that.
What I'm getting to, guys is I started reverse.
You know how like in the movie they're like, they're, oh,
later on in the future, it's like, oh, would you have a relationship with, with
with an OS, with some, with some something not real?
Right.
I already lived that. as a teenager.
You know, I see them.
Well, yeah.
But then now, but then I graduated into into the real thing
Right.
But, but it's normal for people to
have like parasocial relationships with like famous people.
Porn stars are not, right?
Like, like that's the whole thing about celebrity culture is that people have
these parasocial relationships with someone and they don't even know
You know, people are, they grow up sessions, you know?
I actually get what you're saying, Arnold.
And here's the thing I wanted to say.
You're talking about the music that you listen to growing up and all that.
So like, think about like, that music that you like so much and what
it resonates, the way it resonates for you, it might not do it for me or anybody else, right?
But, but, but art is like, that's why it's subjective, you know?
That's why like you process things
differently for you, it might be a little bit more on the sexual nature.
And that's fine.
That's fine.
And that just might be your thing.
You know what I mean?
Or sexual beings.
Yeah.
As long as you get your work done, you get your bills paid and get your shoes clean
at the end of the day,, you're good, Arld, you know?
Although I'm going to start, I'm going to tell Car to start checking underneath your fingernails from now on.
I
don't know why I said that either, but But anyway, she'll
find like, you know, vegetables for me chopping,
you know, so I can make this delicious dinner for us.
And you do.
Poop.
You do.
I've seen you scratching your butt.
Oh, it scratching your button.
You made something You made something the other day that looked delicious, by the way.
I can't remember what it was, but you did something recent on your TikTok.
Oh, yeah.
I haven't posted in a while just because I've been..
It's been a busy.
You're a busy man..
People don't know this about Arnold.
He's a busy guy.
He works for a hospital foundation.
Can I say that?
He works for a hospital foundation.
You're a big part of that.
You do events.
You go to events, right?
Yeah.
And now you're private chefing.
Am Am I allowed to talk about this?
I mean, you me, I cut it out.
Is that okay?
But I think that's interesting.
And then Well, this past weekend, I mean, at
my normal job, we had our big a 6,000
plus person event that, you know, was eight, nine months in the planning.
Finally,
that was last week.
And then five days later, later, I
worked the Saturn Awards and it was the whole weekend that I worked it.
That was a lot of.
That's crazy, dude.
You're busy I was going to ask you, did you see Daphne Keen there?
No, no, but I saw Nicholas Cage, LeVar Burton.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Nicholas Cage was there.
Christopher Lloyd.
Oh, my God.
Lawrence Fishburne, Herouki Sonata.
That's.
Missy Piles.
I mean, there's so many Missy
Piles, for whatever reason, kind of looked like a Alexis, Texas.
That's
At least episode in a row where you mentioned Alexis Texas.
Hey, that's the fourth episode that we had Scarlett Johansson.
That's true, yes.
You're right.
That's true.
Sorry, guys.
That's always me.
That's me.
Scarlett Johansson is me.
No, I get it.
I don't blame you, actually.
Yeah, so you're a busy guy.
You find time to do all that.
You find time to do this show, and you find time to hang out with Riley Reed.
I don't know how you do it, but you do it, Arnold.
Good stuff.
Wait, wait, you hang out with Riley Reed?
Somebody did.
It was either Arnold or Alex.
Somebody was me.
It was me.
What?
Why didn't Why didn't I get invited?
What was this?
Oh, I was Comic That was before you started coming back to Comic-Con.
Oh, shit.
I was there for that, too.
I was too high to take a picture.
I was like laughing the whole time.
She seems like she'd be like legit, like cool.
She was really nice.
And I was I overedheard her conversation.
She was really cool.
And it was
and it was during the time that I
was working for that weed company and I had a ton of it with me.
I was like I was I overheard
her talking to her friend and some other dude.
And she's like, yeah, I just need to find some weed or something like that.
And I was like,
oh, I wanted to like say, it's like, hey, you want some?
She was going to.
Oh, go ahead.
She down in the lobby.
That was the year that was I was trying to find people celebrities who
we knew smoked weed and tried to smoke them out.
Like, never that one guy We tried to drive back around to try and pick him up.
Oh, that's right.
No, it was it.
The one that does that
movie podcast where, like.
He also did the Super High Me.
Who did Super High Me?
Oh, Doug Benson.
Yes.
Doug Benson.
We saw Doug Benson outside of the arm.
I saw that too.
Oh, yeah.
I was with you.
Okay, yeah, you You were rolling with us the whole time.
What was wrong with you guys?
I haven't seen anything from in in years, dude.
I think he still does that show.
Oh, no.
Wait, I'm thinking of.
Yeah.
Kim and I went and saw him live in LA one time.
Oh, really?
Tim's like, yeah, he's performing at such and such place in LA.
Do you want to go?
I'm like, fuck yeah, Doug Benson, L yeah.
So
That's so funny.
You guys are unlocking a lot of memories tonight.
I don't like it.
No.
Hey, I think it's about that time, eh, boys?
I think it's about that time, you know?
I think so.
Talk some quick.
Bef before we wrap this up, because I I always like facts about stuff.
And in this movie, Amy
Adams apparently said that Spike Jones would essentially
lock her and Joaquin Phoenix in her room together for an hour
or two every day and make them talk to each other.
And he did this because he wanted them to get to know each other better.
And I think that's why their sister
brother relationship works so well in the movie.
And And that makes so much sense, you know?
And apparentlyarently I didn't know this either Rooney
Mara and Joaquin Phoenix were married and not divorced.
And so it's interesting that they divorced in this movie as well.
They were a real life couple
And then most of the most of the city backgrounds,
especially the ones featuring skyscrapers, were actually filmed in Shanghai.
Did you guys know that?
Oh, wow.
I thought so.
It looked like it.
It takes place in a future LA, but they filmed it in parts of it in Shanghai.
Wow.
Okay.
And and here's that
That's interesting.
That makes sense.
again, the lightining film nerd in me loves this fact that
the apartment scenes were all filmed on location in order to get the
best lighting conditions possible because that they're
cinematographer Hoy Van Hoya decided to change all windows surrounding
the apartment on the 34th floor.
And additionally, this is how far he went.
This is how much he cares about his craft, guys.
He decided to install large mirrors
on the helicopter platform of the skyscraper across
the street because that gave him the best possibility to bounce
sunlight back into the apartment.
How fuck could that?
That's crazy.
That's.
What?
s That's why, you know, you have a budget, by the way,
So anyway, Did you guys know Spike Jones, like, voiced the alien child?
No.
Oh, yeah, I heard about that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, I didn to know that.
But Spike Jones actually voiced the character in Deeee,
that new movie back came out a few months ago.
He was like, yeah, he was like like a co-producer of that movie.
It's a really good movie.
Yeah.
But I've got some like fun facts too.
Joaquin Phoenix used to come to the health
food store that I used to work at.
And I think his ex-wife, the one that you're talking about that was in her
Ron Mar?
Like Yeah.. was the lady that would accompany him with.
And he was like, him and I would talk and he was really cool.
He was super nice to talk to.
And like he would actually buy like, there's a specific soda that he liked.
And every time he came to visit Palm Springs, he would come to our store because we were the only ones that had it.
And he's like, yeah, save me a few.
Like, save me a few packs.
I'm like, yeah, I got you.
s's hilarious.
So you've met him.
Wow.
That's crazy.
Super nice guy.
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow, wow, wow.
I Was he wearing like a big beard and shit?
Like Was he record?
izable, by the way?
Or was he No, he was recognizable.
I think he actually had the mustache for her.
Oh, okay.
Because I remember when he had a big big beard and he was doing that experimental film with Casey Affleck or whatever.
Yeah.
I mean, I was working there.
I was working there like in, because
remember, I worked there twice, like right before I started working for the Ace Hotel.
And then
a few years after I was like there 20
2013, 2012, 2013.
He's could have been such a,
yeah, he seems like a weird guy, but he seems like he's such a great actor, you know?
Yeah.
If you guys I don't know if you guys guys seen Bo's Afraid, but fuck, that's another movie Raid.
The movie is also rails.
I need to see that one..
That's the RE A collection withditary, Midsummer,'s Afraid.
I loved it.
Yeah.
Okay, really quick.
So yeah, I just had a couple quick notes I wanted to go over from the movie,
from what I remember when I watched it it the last time.
And
I wanted to say, I love the overall aesthetic of it.
While Austin in translation sort of had that muted color
palette, this movie had a more of a pastel tone, you know, more of a
Wes Anderson vibe type of thing.
And
really, I really liked that while Lost in translation it was set in Tokyo
and had the vibr or you know, had the muted colors,
this movie takes place in LA but mostly shot in Shanghai
because I wrote even in the future LA is drab and and gray.
So there's that.
And then, Joaquin Phoenix character getting
dumped by an AAI girlfriend for another AI is
one of the saddest things that I think has ever been put to film.
Scarlett Johansen is not only hot and, but has a hot voice.
I love a woman with a rat raspy voice.
I don't know what it is about.
That'sooky voice.
The fact that he's a writer who writes love letters
for people and then gets dumped by an AI is even more said.
And then then I talk about that scene in the stairwell, which is probably my
favorite scene in the in the whole movie.
And then I wrote, this is one of the few movies where Chris Pratt is not annoying as fuck.
So there you go.
Those are my notes.
I want to I'm just going to go ahead and say now.
I want to give this this is a strong four out of five for me on Letterboxed.
You can find me on Letterboxd and Boot's Too Big and Blue Sky.
We're all over the place
We're all over.
So check us to check me out on there.
Boots too big.
And, uh yeah, so let's, let's go around the room
and you guys tell me some quick final thoughts and we'll wrap this puppy up.
Alex, let's go with you.
All right.
Uh Yeah, so, uh for
Lost in the Translation, it was like one of those films that like I
grew to love it more and more and more.
Like, you know, and And one of the things I've I recognize
with our own emotional growth,
we start to see newer things in the art that we love.
And
when I watched her,
you know, the first time I watched it, like last year, uh
201 It was actually
only a few months ago recently, I guess, to be honest.
I I was looking at my old review for it
It was I wrote it for in
September, this past 2024.
And I had given it a four and a half.
But even after the second watching,
or I think it's the third time I watch it, I'm like, I love it even more so.
And I think I even love it more than I do love
Lost and Translation.
For the simple fact that it feels like it
echoes who I am and what I've experienced
more so, because like Lost in Translation feels like
that bitter end of a relationship where
like, you know, um you look at
it, it's this, you know, them finding
out that the relationships that they're in aren't healthy
and like finally figuring out
that they are not right for these people.
Whereas this is her is
encapsulates that period of
time after of like the end of a relationship
and trying to get past that grief.
Like, you never really get past grieving.
Grief is like something that remains with you all your life.
But you
that a really harsh, hard time after where you're like trying to process all that.
Even like if you think about it, even the fact that it took 10 years for
Spike Jones to create to create her.
It took him that long to process all
of this, to process these emotions that he felt.
And I feel like there is no time timeline for processing grief.
It goes and you
need to like figure that out for yourself and it could take a whole lifetime.
It could take
days.
Some people take days.
Some people get, they process stuff faster than others.
I realized for myself that like, especially after
watching her that this was one of those things that's like
the grief that we experience, for
me, I feel it like really heavily.
And it's
one of those things that helps me process my
traumas from the past as well and helps
me peel back the layers of the onion of
why I hang on to all the feelings and emotions
that I do and why it's taking me so long.
It's taking me so long to do that.
And sometimes it's as simple as like that in that moment when watching
PO set up the OS, you know?
It's a lot of times your relationships
and how you feel treated by the you know,
your parents, that's how you
carry out your relationships with
And so it's kind of like that,
for me, her is this encapsulation of
who I am now, more the soul than
lost in translation.
Like, Lost in translation is this
romantic sense, you know, has this romantic sensibility.
Despite the fact that they never
crossed that line, it's like, Charlotte
and Bob's relationship isn't built on compassion rather than
like this physical need to
consummate that romantic need for whatever.
It's just like, they're experiencing these lives because
they understand they're both going through the same thing.
Whereas like this is like actual like
grief and loss.
And so it connects with me so deeply.
I have so many notes that I'm never going to get through.
I want to do and you know, like times just passing,
but like for me, now I give it a five out of five.
And it's probably, in my opinion, like personal
favorite, like, still, Lost and
Translation is there, but her is like, just inching it out.
So
And you can find me at Del There's all over the socials.
You can see me crying on this YouTube video.
You can repeat all my sobbing, making it turn them into memes.
It doesn't matter.
It show that we're not just doing this for the sake of doing it, right?
We're doing it to talk about
that human element.
So No need to apologize.
All good, right?
So Because we're passionate.
We're passionate.
Justin, now let's get your final thoughts and where can people find you?
Man, fuck my final thoughts.
I'm out of here.
And I was joking.
So
her good movie.
Wonderful movie.
I relate to
it in my own way, obviously.
I have my griefs and
traumas from past relationships and I see myself
in a lot of these scenarios
that have come up in this movie.
I feel this movie is wonderfully shot.
The whiting is excellent.
The story, the pacing,
you know, easy to follow, easy to digestest,
um, but it has an impactful message.
Um, uh, this is,
I think, yeah, my second time watching this movie.
Um, I think my score still stands.
I'm going to give it a four out of five.
Um, you know, I don't
really have a whole lot to say because, Alex pretty much said it all.
You know, I feel the same way.
Like, uh, even though we have a different experience,
I feel like we can share stories
about things that have happened to us in the past.
And, you know, I wasn't 100% great all the time either.
You know, I
I can be a terrible person too, and I was a
terrible person on several occasions.
And
you know, I, I'm
okay now and I'm able to work through it now.
And I think this movie is a story of
working through it, getting over it,
and moving on and having
that opportunity because we all do to still
be able to find what we're looking for because we're all on that journey
in this timeline, in this, on this planet,
you know, and I feel this is a very relatable story that a lot of people can
sink their teeth into.
And yeah, so a
solid four out of five, and I'll stop being all
chummy, but you can find me on Instagram,
Shibs the Zombie SHIBBS, The Zombie.
And you can just, you know, click my link in my bio and
you can follow all the projects and things that
I'm in.
And yeah, man, on to the next, I guess, right?
Absolutely.
Thank you, Justin.
There is something that Justin reminded me of like, this
is a scene that I I kind of even saved on my phone.
And it was when Amy Adams is like talking to Theo
and she's like, you know, we're all only
here for a short amount of time.
And, you know, while I'm here,
I want to allow myself to experience joy.
And I think that's something important for us.
You, like Justin reminded me what you said.
It's like, we're only here, so we're such a short amount of time.
Let's allow ourselves to feel enjoy.
It's so crazy, right?
Short amount of time, and we waste so much of it.
Paying taxes and sitting in traffic.
That's not what the world was meant for, God damn it.
Right.
It was meant to watch more movies.
But hey, there's there's no more government.
So are we paying taxeses to now, guys?
Anyway, Arnold, final thoughts and where can people find me, my friend?
Oh, okay.
So
final thoughts.
I was looking up a few things.
I was like, where's Spike Jones from?
Where's Sophia Coppola from?
When I first looked up, I was like, oh, Sophia Coppola from New York.
Okay.
And then I looked up Spike Jones, but then I was like, oh, Spike Jones from California.
But then I realized it was a
Jones, J-O-N-ES and it was some other Spike Jones.
Spike Jones, the one, he was also from New York.
So I always, I was envisioning like this, oh, Biggie
versus Tupac, Kendrick Maher versus Drake.
Oh, who did it better better
You know, you know, Tupac and Kendrick Lam.
They also they won.
As it turns out, they not like us at all.
At all.
They not like us.
But in
comparison, just like overall, I feel
like I like lost in translation like initially better
than I did watching than her.
But I do kind of slightly feel like.
So like yesterday, I knew that that was my day to watch it.
I didn't think I was going to be that as tired as I was because that was essentially like my
like 13th
day in a row, 13th out of 14th day in a row working.
And so, um, uh, with like,
I mean, days that I was able to sleep in.
Uh, and so, um, we, I
had to come back home from, uh, from LA with some portos
Um, And, uh, I made the terrible
mistake of of eating a
guava, strudel, and a cheese Danish during
the first half hour of the movie.
And and then, and then I started started to get sleepies, you know, the sugar crash.
And Carla was like, you shouldn't have ate that
And I was like, okay, well,
I'll finish watching the movie tomorrow when I get home.
So I did watch it in Park
and I feel like if I, I mean,
I was when I, when I watched it today
when I got home, I was like, damn, I want
to watch it from the beginning again, but I was, but,
because I felt, I felt like there were some parts that that I,
I watched it all, but some parts that I missed.
And
but I feel like, uh, so
currently the way I feel, I would give,
um, I think I give Lawson translation of 4.5,
but this, I would give it a 4.20
a little cloudy on
the on the I lost my train of thought.
I was afraid you were going to say you had beer and ice cream, by the way, Arnold.
It's a callback, by the way.
It's a callback.
This is a companion episodes are our last one.
This is the first time we've done this.
We've had a little linear storyline.
Yeah.
I mean, and there's there's just a bunch of random things
that I was thinking about with the movie.
Not once did he have to charge his little
flip phone or camera phone.
Oh, yeah.
And they were, you know, 2013, The
original AirPods didn't come out until 2016.
They were way ahead, but the Apple AirPods look way cooler.
I like how you're find some anachronistic inaccuracies in this movie.
You all people.
The pants,
I was like, oh, man, okay.
They're rocking the pants that way.
Okay.
That's how it's going to be in the future.
Doesn't he remind us remind you of Charles Potaro?
Yeah, a little bit, yeah, because it wasn't like...
Our old pastor used to wear.
Her old pastor used to wear his pants like that.
Yeah, and I used to do some dances like that with my pants really high.
Imagine some twerking with some high pants.
I'd rather not.
Thank you.
Go get some pants on I' let them do that.
Right now.
Maybe I will.
Maybe I will at the end.
Hmm.
Let's see.
Any other final thoughts?
I mean, What's your rating?
It was a really good movie.
Z rating was kind of self-inflicted.
You know, I'd say a one
but I, but I knew, and I knew to stop.
And so I didn't like fall asleep and then just see the credits.
I'm like, oh, shit.
I knew that it was sort of of self-inflicted,
but I know that like for sure it would it would without
without the sugar, it would be a zero Z rating, but
uh Yeah,
I mean, like, I mentioned, there wasn't a
lot that I could really
relate to in
my own life, like, like relation-wise.
It sounds like you enjoyed it.
Yeah, yeah.
That' good.
I did.
That's what you'all can find me on
all the songs. socials, Arnie Calego.
Thank you for that, Arnold.
Holla.
Donnie, let's end with you.
What are your final thoughts and?
Where can people find you?
Yeah.
Man, first time watching this movie, and man, I love it.
I loved every bit of it.
I thought it was
I thought it was a very real like portrayal of like a relationship, right?
Like how over the course of time, like things change.
Like you start off bonding, having similarities,
whether it be interest, food or what have you.
But then as we progress in the relationship, you know, you often find that there's drifting and
you're in a different place.
That's not, that's not the same as your partner, right?
It's very human.
And it's, I don't know.
It's just overall, I think it was beautifully written.
It was, like, it was abstract, right?
Like he's, he's in love with like AI, but it's
a very, I' still a very accurate depiction of
something that's really important in all our lives, which is the emotion of love, right?
So I think he did a really good job at showing that.
I love Spike Jones and also Charlie Coffin.
So adaptation.
Charlie Coffman did Charlie Sunshine, which is one of my favorite movies
And I've got to add this to the list.
Like I feel like I've been giving a lot of fives, but I think the
last movie I gave a five, but I got to give this one a five too.
It was so good.
And then, yeah, I just, I just loved it.
And the weirdest things like resonated with me, like when he was having
those flashbacks of like his old relationships and he was showing like the pictures
of, it was going through like his memories of like him
and his ex-wife, just like the little things were laying
in the park or putting the street cones over their heads.
Like I have like, I had the exact same like weird memories like that they were showing.
Not not like I wasn't, I didn't have street cones over my head, but it was something similar to that, right?
Like, but so like
just mundane, like little things that you wouldn't really think about,
but you think about it when you're laying in bed and you're going to a divorce and
you're just like analyzing where you are in the world, right?
It's so crazy.
But yeah, five out of five, you can
find me at underscore Donnie Appleseed on Instagram, mainlyly.
and just wanted to say, Samantha, you, you're a fucking slut, dude.
You're talking to 6 641 other people.
Oh, no, no.
She's talking like Yeah, yeah.
But she was in love with 641 people
made a metaphor out of that metaphor.
What's?
She's just polyamorous.
Don't don't Don't let shame her..
Nah.
You know what I thought was funny, too, is that his job was to write like
these ingenuine letters, but it's like he wasn't he wasn't really writing.
It was all like voice voice recognition software that he was doing all the writing, right?
So very
foretelling, I guessive story.
But yeah, love the movie.
If you haven't seen it, highly recommend it.
All right, thanks for that, Donnie.
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No last words, but some last moves.
Oh, God.
Okay, Arnold?
Are for that.
That's very nacho libre of you.
I wish I carried dollar bills still.
Oh, love it.
Thank you, Arnold.
All right, guys.
Do those pants go all the way up?