**Episode Description:** In this episode, we dive into the 2000 cult classic *Groove*, a pulsating homage to the San Francisco underground rave scene of the late '90s. The film captures one wild, life-changing night through the eyes of DJs, partygoers, and curious newcomers, all set against a backdrop of hypnotic beats and luminous glowsticks. We explore the film's authentic portrayal of rave culture, its iconic soundtrack, and how it immortalized an era of unbridled freedom and connection. Along the way, Arnold shares colorful stories from his own raver days—yes, the time when he claimed to have "done all the drugs under the sun" and discovered his love for techno in the depths of abandoned warehouses. Plus, we're joined by recurring guest host Donnie Appleseed, who offers his unique insights into the film, rave culture, and the enduring appeal of all-night dance parties. So, grab your glowsticks, crank up the BPM, and join us as we relive the vibes of *Groove*!
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And of course, we have a special guest tonight
Joining us from beautiful Las Vegas, Sin City
itself, Mr. Donnie Guzman, aka Donnie Applesee, which that's a great name, by the way.
What movie are we watching tonight?
What is on the docket is It's the 2000 film groove,
but directed by Greg Harrison, Logline
An inside look into one night in the San Francisco underground rave scene
starring Hamish Linklater, as well as Mackenzie
Fergens, Steve Vaugh, Steve Van Warmer,
and Ari Gold, not to be confused with the Ari Gold Entourage.
Yeah, so the 2000 film groove,
quick rapid fire thoughts from me since I have never seen this film.
I'm the one, I' probably, I think I'm the only person in this group tonight that hasn't seen this film.
It made me nostalgic for a bygone era.
And it made me weirdly nostalgic for a subculture
that I had no part in ever whatsoever.
And I also miss late 90s
slash early 2000s lo-fi tech and
the transition into more hi-fi digital tech.
See, kids these days, they don't know.
My kid's seven years old.
Everything is a touchscreen nowadays. phones, tablets, computers, cars, refrigerators.
My fucking air fryer has a touchscreen.
I don't know why.
But back then, we still had buttons.
We still had knobs, we still had sliders and all kinds of, I missed how tactile
the world used to be, but that's neither here nor there.
Let's get into it.
So this movie is about a rave culture, very
grounded take on one night in rave culture in San Francisco.
What I will say really quick is that it
sort of reminded me of when we watched Dazed and Confused.
It's just that sort of chill
hangout movie with sort of a paper-thin plot and story. like, yeah, there is a story.
There is a plot, but that's not what it's about.
Arnie, Arnold, Arnie, let's start with you. actually.
Actually, no, no, no.
Sorry, sorry.
We have a guest.
Donnie, tell me about this movie.
Have you seen it before
And if not, what did you think about it?
Yeah, I've seen it before.
I was actually the one who recommended watching it.
I was surprised that you guys haven't seen it.
But I really liked it.
I think I'm a little biased.
I was growing up in that scene, like around that same time when it came out, it came out in 2000.
So I was still in the rave scene and it was, it's
very accurate depiction of what was going on at that time.
So I really appreciated it.
And I thought it was going to be one of those films where I go back and
rewatch it and not really like what I saw, but, you know, liked it at the time.
But
it was, I still love it.
I still think it's great.
So, yeah.
What, what would you say, since you know the cultureing better than I do, I'm sure.
What is the most relatable thing that movie that's like true to real life?
Yeah, I think, I mean, there's a lot.
Everything from not knowing the location until a few hours prior to
the event happening, you know, for warehouse raves, all the way
to just the relatable stories within the movie, right?
Like for your first time
being that person who's there for your very first time, experiencing a heartbreak
during that, whether it's you or like a friend or, you know,
even L's Lay's character or Layila's character where she's talking
about or discovering the fact that, hey, I'm still in the same spot.
I moved here to be to advance in life.
And what am I still doing at a rave?
Like, I think I've been that character in like every single one of those characters at some point in my life.
Yeah.
By the way,, Layla is a looker.
I think I have I have a crush in her.
How did people know where Res took place pre-
smartphones, pre-social media?
How did the word get around back then about?
It's like all paper, right?
Man, flyers, baby.
Like it was just paper flyers and then you would just hand them out.
There was paging, Paging at that time was a big thing.
And then also, uh AIM, right?
AOL was like going into the chats and finding your local local variant.
So, it was pretty interesting.
Yeah, VRV.
And then you would call a phone number, they'd release a phone number like an hour prior,
a couple hours prior, and then they would give you the directions to
either the pickup point or the actual location itself.
So all that was very accurate.
And all of this was
semi-unsanctioned, completely unsanctioned.
Like this was all, like they weren't really booking these locations.
It was just happening wherever they could just make it go on.
And that's why it was so clandestine or did I get that wrong?
No, I mean, I feel like there there was definitely some some rave
events where, you know, they had permits.
I know there was a venue in California called, um, or I
can't even remember the name off the top of my head, but it was a boxing venue and they would have raves every week.
What was it?
Club.
No?
I can't remember it.
No, I can't remember.
The orange orange, like.
I guess it was like the San Modino, right?
Sanino.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so those ones were like orange something.
Yeah, something like that.
Those ones are definitely sanctioned, right?
But they were still like super low budget.
People just put them together with, you know, uh, with no real
no real budget, really.
Just like a bunch of friends putting it together.
But then there was some that was completely underground and you
would go to these events, not knowing how long it's going to last, you know?
Like, you never a couple hours and then, and then it was done.
And then somebody would take the whole party and take it to their house and it
would continue, just very similar to the movie.
Gotcha.
And, and from when I gathered from this movie, it all felt very grassroots.
Is that just inherent in the culture and rape culture, would you say?
That's sort of like grassroots type of movement?
Yeah, I would say so.
Yeah, I would I would say so.
Nice.
Was anyone else in that scene?
I would say I wasn't in that scene.
I was familiar with it.
I had a lot of friends that were in it.
But it's inherent in rave culture,
but it was also inherent in a lot of DIY.
Like, rave culture
stems from like, uh, a lot of DIY
movements. similar to like punk rock, like
how you have like, like remember, you're familiar with this.
Donald.
You, uh
ever come across flyers for the generator
parties that were out in the desert, the Iron Gate?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. and Yeah.
Bands like Caius, uh, later on, the Queens
of the Stone Age, they would have shows
where you didn't have, it was the same sort of like rave culture.
There'd even be people who were from Rave culture,
go to those shows just because it was that sort of that same vibe, that kind of party
everybody's getting together to do this clandestine thing where
it was definitely illegal.
No permits whatsoever, but it was just something there.
It was the same spirit.
So a lot of it was interchangeable.
It's same thing with like the hip hop culture in New York
You know, it had these clandestine things.
So it was all the same sort of, like, it's just the music
changed slightly fashion changed slightly.
But it's like all taking
cues from different predecessors.
I miss that fashion, by the way, from that era and in general.
I feel like back then it was more eclectic, it was more colorful, there were more patterns.
You look at kids nowadays, how they dress.
It's all boring, beige, oversized fucking sweaters and oversized sweatpants.
L it on Seinfeld, the dad, you know?
It's all salmon and fucking baby blue.
Yeah, so, okay.
So, and I was reading on the trivia that the two DJs in this movie.
Th are actually actual DJs.
Am I right?
Yeah.
Like Polly Wogen.
You know what?
What's?
Yeah.
They used DJs that was actually like from San Francisco or from the West Coast
And, you know, the whole thing took place in San Francisco, and you even see,
you know, places identifiable landmarks throughout the movie, like the Fillmore and they end up.
That's actually a real place, the pier, all that's real really there.
So it's all taken place in San Francisco.
What do we know about behind the scenes on this?
Yeah.
Because I, that's the only thing I found on IMDb.
What do you guys know as far as the making of this movie?
Like, what sort of spurred the
the creation of it?
Because I couldn't find really anything on, on the webs.
So what do we know about the behind the scenes?
Anybody?
Oh, I didn't even do any research on that.
Honestly, like, as far as like
my research, like has taken me, like, I think what you
said, Adrian, this movie is very, like grassroots style.
Like even like the style of filmmaking, you can tell
it was like, although they had like a budget, I think of like $50,000
or $55,000 or something like that.
It was still very much like
like when, when I was like watching this movie, I was like, oh
shit, this kind of reminds me of that like a couple of times
where, my friends would be like, hey, you know, because I wasn't into like,
um, drugs or anything, like, um, alcoholhol and weed mostly.
Um, but I wasn't into like, you know, dropping acid or taking mushrooms or anything like that.
So I ended up being like everybody's like DD.
So they would be like, hey, Justin, like, we just want
to, you know, get there and come home safe.
And I was the only one with like the car at the time
So I would take people to these places.
They wouldn't really tell me where we were going to just be like, they'd be like,
oh, and again, this is like flip phone stuff.
I don't have like map or anything.
I'm just like, damn.
And we just end up at these random like places.
And I felt like when I, when the movie like was starting to get going
and they started going into this warehouse, I was like, oh, damn, this shit
reminds me of some, some places that I've been to myself,
even though I have a I have a very way
later start in the rave scene because
by the time, like 2008, 2009 rolled around us is when
I started getting into it, it was more established
and there were like venues for it and things like that.
But I have been to my share of like warehouse parties.
Or you know what it also reminds me of that one time
like during San Diego Comic-Con, we went to that warehouse with me and Alex.
We went to that warehouse Goth Industrial Goth Club.
Like it was like that, dude.
That shit was crazy.
Let's be honest, I can't remember a lot too much of that.
I remember getting there
and being like so messed up on
like like being crossfed.
And I got freaked out because I
remember seeing like hearing the goth like trance type music
and like the lights in the windows.
And
there I was like, and off to the side, I saw
this guy and this couple come out of the side door and
one of them was just in assless chaps.
And the other one like the person was pulling him on the collar.
And I was like,
this this is this is a scene straight out of blade.
If we go in there, they's going to that mud going flopped at
us and we're going to it's we're all going to be eaten.
It's funny that you mentioned the lights in the window because what
I immediately thought of was, like,
like at the end of poltergeist when like the lights are going off in
the windows and stuff like that, kind of like it reminded me of that a little bit.
But Blade, Blade too.
But
as far as like this movie goes, yeah,
honestly, I tried doing research on it too, and it's probably
just, you know, it was like a DIY, the whole thing pretty much, except for the funding.
Yeah.
Well, I just looked it up.
It was, so you say it was 50K and it was shot on 16 millimeter, which, which
is a really, it's still a really good format.
And you can tell it would have had to have been filmed because HD
cameras weren't really where they are now and there was no 4K back then.
And 35 Y would have been super expensive.
So I mean, the fact that they were able to budget for a 16 millimeter, that is pretty impressive.
I really liked
the lighting.
I'm always a big nerd for good lighting.
And I really enjoyed the different like stark
colors, blue, reds, purples, greens.
Like that really does it for me.
But let's talk about story really quick because there
is a story and Hamish Hamish Linklater
is like the main character, I guess.
What do we think about the story?
I mean, as far as far as that goes, is it sort of grounded in reality that it seem?
Arnold, I'll defer to you since you haven't talked much yet.
What did you think about the story watching it?
Is Hamish the David?
He's the white guy.
Yeah, Hold on..
Arnold, You sound really far away.
Is your mic?
Sorry, far?
It doesn't sound like you're coming through your mic.
It sounds like you're coming through something else.
Maybe your headphones.
How about now?
That's way better.
Oh.
Oops, I got to flip this around.
There we go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
High production value, as you can see, Donnie.
Okay, doing it live.
Did you buy a vowel before I come in on here?
Noah, you're good.
Oh, Is that better, guys?
That's way better.
Yeah, that's.
That's way better.
I always forget which is the right side.
Okay.
It's the side that has the light on it on the microp because we have the same mic.
It's a couple of the mic.
Okay, that makes sense.
The side of what the light on it.
Okay.
So tell me, Arnold, right.
Story-wise, what did you think about the story with David, the main character?
So, um,
I've never, I grew up around,
that era, and I hung around a lot of people who
went to raves and I and I really badly wanted to go
to one at that at that time.
But I was still, I graduated in 2002.
I was a troubled kid, you know, so my parents,
you know, they, they did what they could to try to control me.
There was no way that they would let me go
to one or, or any way that I could like sneak to one.
So, um,
uh, so yeah.
So I never, never went one, but like, a lot of my friends, they would always fill me in like, oh, dude.
And like, uh, everything that they, like their
whole night when they went to a rave and sometimes they would, they would
bring the rave to to like someone's house and
try to, like, they would do like light shows for me
and roller coasters, you
know, the music and the
Okay, what's a roller coaster?
That's a roller coaster?
All right.
All right.
So Yeah, I was supposed to it's the same thing.
Actually, yeah, I want to know too now.
Okay..
So say this is me.
Is that Among Us?
No, no, no.
It's from a.
It's a squish, right?
Squish mellow.
Oh, nice.
So then I' like, I'm really high, right?
I'm really high right now?
I' like.
No, not right now.
Not right now.
No,
This was the first time I think that
I ever tried ecstasy and it was like really sketchy stuff, but it was okay.
I'm okay.
Also, Arnold, remember, this is also audio only sometimes for people.
Yeah, kind of biscuit.
Okay.
you would, like, back to back, like,
I would lay on a friend's back Okay.
And my legs, you know, so Horizontally?
Always.
So basically, I'm laying back to back
and I'm looking up in the sky or in the air.
So it is horizontally.
It's at a 45 degree angle, Alex.
And then one of the guys, they keep, they start rocking around, bouncing up and down like that.
Are you sure you ride a rave?
I
think they just made that up and told you was a roller coaster ride.
And then..
And then somebody..
I think they rode you.
No, I. You didn't happen to go into Peabody's house, did you?
But
then somebody from the other side, from the other side of me, they're doing a light show for me.
Yeah.
And so just imagine me, I'm just bouncing up and down like.
Like that.
And, uh, you know, with my eyes all rolling
back and like, I bet they were rolling back.
I love you guys.
Did your toes curl Arnold?
No.
No, they did not.
Not until Did you make them come or did you come?
No, no, no.
We all came together.
It was it was That's the best.
Wait, wait.
You.
I met that that we all came together to this party.
But That's what I meant.
Yeah, right, right, right.
It was sort of planned in that way, but then it was like,
you know, it was just like a house party and they tried to bring the rave there to
help me to try and make me experience it since, you know, I always missed out on it.
I still never went to a rave
Wait, that surprises me because like I
always thought you went to raves as we when we were younger.
I always kind of felt like you'd always go out and I was
tasked as like a guardian, which I hated.
I't hated it.
For what it really was, it was just straight up drug party.
Right, right, right.
Right.
It was just drugs.
Okay.
It was a fre Only.
It's heroin, speed
Yeah.
No, never heroin.
Right?
It was I thought she started. in the desert, meth
ended up being.
That's right.
Oh, no.
That's weird.
Okay.
Okay, okay.
That was good.
Sorry, that had really had nothing to do with the movie.
No.
But that's okay.
That's okay.
Because your anecdotes are always the best on this show and you know that.
But no, but seriously, I feel like
what you described, I feel like that's not even the craziest thing that has happened at a rape party, if I had to guess.
I was probably candy flipping around that time.
Candy flipping?
Oh, yeah, okay.
That's a real one.
Yeah.
Now I have to know.
Okay, so is that like
What is candy flipping?
What is that?
Ecstasy and acid.
ecstasy?
I think asy and acid.
Oh, okay..
I thought were I thought ecstasy and acid were one and the same.
Are they No, no, they're totally, totally different.
LSD, acid is LSD, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, LSD, yeah, yeah.
But they're hallucinogenics like shrooms as well, right?
Or is that different?
Or no?
No, I don't think you, right
I'm not sure N makes you feel like.
No.
This is the never snorted podcast, by the way.
Concept of a podcast.
Oh, okay.
But, Alex, okay, I know you wanted to talk about this movie a lot.
So I want to hear from you now.
Tell me Tell me about this movie.
Why is it such a...
It seems like it's an important movie to you.
Why is that?
It's important to me in like a lot of reasons ones.
Like it's funny because I was never into rave culture.
I never had any interest in going.
Although I later
on, it started to really enjoy
techno and rave music, especially
during my days working for the Ace Hotel.
I started discovering a love, a deep love for
it, you know, from like all the DJs that we book, you know, and
I discovered like the
beauty, of rave culture later on, but not in an actual experiencing it.
Well, I did go to one.
I sort of.
I accidentally
So there was a, I have some friends in
a band called Halloween Swim Team and they were on tour and they were coming in.
Yeah, they're like one of my favorite band names of all time.
And they were on tour and they were coming back and it was during Coachella and
um they were trying to find a last minute show during Coachella out there.
It's like, I'll do my best.
And I had a friend who was throwing a like
a rave out in like mecca.
And they're like, all right, cool.
And they'll I go, they're kind of like a dance music, like a synth.
And I was like,
they're all like, okay.
And it was just so like hackneyed.
We just like, like we all drove there.
We met up with them there.
A bunch of my friends jumped in my car and we
met at this like desert location and like this date farm
like small date farm.
And we were hauling their instruments in
there and it was like, oh, this is a rave.
This is not like a show where bands play.
So it was super weird for the whole
rave that people, they were just kind of like, they all kind of stopped and it was weird.
Anyways,
it was it was a weird time experiencing that.
But yeah, it's that whole thing,
um, the promoter side, like
I could relate to, you know, like throwing, like
throwing these shows in like, and, and one
of my favorite lines was at the end where he's like, you
know you're not going to get like rich off of this
Why do you do it?
And he goes, it's for the nod.
And it's like, the nod, you know?
And it's like, he describes the whole,
like, when you go someplace or
you know, they, these people express,
I mean, they see you somewhere else outside of the rave or
even at the end of the show and
they're like, they come up to you and like, hey, that was awesome.
And the gratitude for that is so
like beautiful, you know?
I miss that part of promoting.
Like, that's the way I always saw it.
Like, for me, it was about the music and
bringing it to other people,
sharing my love for certain things, whether it was a comic
book convention, a comedy show, like
like some bands, like hip hop artist, DJs, it
was all the same to me because it was something that I loved and cared about
And I wanted wanted to share it.
It was never about like money.
I can't tell you how many times I
put on a show with like my friend Johnny
like during the early days of the Ghost Channel
25K?
Yeah, yeah.
He was like him and I were like the
the ones who founded it and like we did it because we wanted to bring bands.
It was kind of a selfish thing.
We wanted to bring bands out here because we didn't want to have
to drive to outside of the desert all the time just to see a band play.
We're like, let's bring them here and then sure, but also share
it with other people that we care about that we thought would love it.
And
it turned into this thing, you know, and it became
this sort of, you know, and it
brought this movement into the desert that brought attention to it.
You know, like a lot it was more than just a place
for celebrities vacation
You know, Coachella had already been happening,
but it wasn't there was this disconnect between
Coachella and the actual local community of artists and
bands that were forming there.
But as soon as, like, us
and some other people who were promoting shows around
that same time and then also Sarah Scidemman, if you remember her,
she was doing the the Kacho Valley arts scene.
And she was doing it like just heavily promoting,
not just, not just music but like art culture and everything like that, promoting us
you know, promoting us when we were doing the the
poor decision podcast, even.
You know?
And it was that moment in time where
that whole thing became
bigger and there was more attention to that.
And like, it's funny, like, our friend
Glenn, Coy, who runs Windmill screen printing, he
had mentioned, he's like, there really should be a documentary
about that, that moment in time.
You know, because I mean, there were a lot of
knows the desert needs culture.
Sorry.
Yeah.
I mean....
I'm serious.
If it wasn't for that local art scene, what would you have in the desert?
Stri malls and casin?
That's it.
Like, that's all.
That's the only culture there is, but I'm glad you said that
That's a cool thing about.
It wasn't just us.
It was you guys, uh, you and Tim and Sam doing the chuckel hut.
You guys were like creating a movie.
Creek.
I remember that, that line.
But yeah, it was it was you guys creating that moment for
comedy in the scene scene where it was being,
people saw the potential of actually doing that as well.
So it's kind of like you see like with promoters
that whole culture, even within this
movie itself groove, you see the sharing of music.
Jonathan Digweed, that was a big deal.
I remember that name from like the days of going to Kachella.
You know, like he was a big big name producer DJ there
And I remember like,
um everybody talking about him.
And for him to be in this movie is a big deal is a really big deal.
So
See, I used to be one of those people that thought, oh, anybody
can be an AirPod DJ or whatever.
But then I watch, well, besides this movie, like, I follow DJs on TikTok and stuff.
I'm like, no, there's, there's real fucking skill that you need to do that.
And I respect the art form a lot more now than I did back then.
Because I really used to think, like, that's all you're going to do is just make a player this.
I was like, no, no.
There's actually skill required.
It's cool to see like friends of the show like DJ Day
who's on tour currently doing Across
the Spider-Verse live, the soundtrack and he's their in-house
DJ doing all their scratching with an orchestra.
Which is awesome.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
We should get him on the show some.
That's crazy.
We should get him.
That'd be great.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
So, wea.
W wea.
I was going to say David
in this movie, Alex, reminds me a lot of you, because he's a thinker.
He's introspective.
I was really thinking, I was like, like, that's Alex right there.
Am I crazy to say that?
Like, that kind of reminded me of.
You might I do feel a kinship with that character
simply because, I mean, obviously the promoter,
I, I have a kinship with that, but like with David, one of
the one of my notes that I put down was like, I, it reminded
me of a lot of the times back in the day when I was younger and staying
up late and like having these amazing conversations with like
like your friends, just staying up late.
Conversations.
I miss.
Remember those, everybody?
Yeah.
Like, like being outside,
like sitting outside on the hood of a of a car,
just laying, looking up into the stars and having like a cool conversation.
It was funny.
I have a friend her name is Erica and she
recently went to a show that I really wanted to go to for
this band called Pulp and I messaged her and I was like, man, I was going to,
I wanted to buy tickets, but I couldn' she's like, you should buy some.
Like, they have tickets for tomorrow night's show still.
I was like, ah, I can't.
She's like, then we started reminiscing about things and she was talking about how
like our group of friends at the time, we
would she would either, we would either either come over to her house
or she'd go to my house or we'd go to another friend's house and
we'd all just hang out and be talking, playing music, listening to music
And she was talking about
how she loved hanging out with us, especially because she had
at least had a hard time falling asleep, you know?
But she was like, she is like, I loved your bed because like I would just sit
there and listen to you and you guys talk
and like watch movies or whatever.
And like she would I had I was a huge like magazine hoer.
I had like so many magazines in my room.
Arnold, you remember that?
I had like a ton of magazines.
I was like, I got my own magazines too.
She would flip through my old like
She would flip through my magazines
and be just like fall asleep and just listening to her.
But it's like, it was a cool memory that she reminded me of.
And that's kind of like what reminded me of like David in this movie and like his
the conversations we had.
And like the future that was, you know, thinking about the future being bright
and, you know, like we had our whole lives ahead of us, you know.
remember remember those days.
My favorite characters besides David, well,
it wasn't really my favorite character, but I really liked the gay couple, how they spent
the whole movie trying to find the David Wave.
And then and then one what happens in the end, they're just like looking
over the water and they're just playing music out of their car.
I love that moment.
That's such a small, but so that's what like to me, it's like, makes it so realistic.
It's like, oh, well, we missed it.
Let's just fucking vibe out by the water and shit
Yeah.
Yeah, they made the best of what what happened that night.
I think that's what the whole thing was about that ending too.
They made the best Everybody, except for the couple.
But I think even the couple made the
best of what they had at that moment because they still ended up hooking up.
But then they see the very end when she's like crying, though.
Yeah.
Yeah, why Is actually crying?
I didn't get that.
I think it was like, like he got hit with reality, you
know, like, damn, I just caught my dude, like, cheating on me with another guy, basically, right?
Like, she's trying to make it better.
She tried to lick past it.
And then the next morning she's like,
it also.
But he also did feel remorse because if he see,
he's he's the one in the shower and he was like very remorseful about it, you know?
Yeah.
other great moments were, what's his name?
Ron Swanson, the actor?
Yeah.
Nick Offerman.
Nick Offerman, Ron Swanson.
He looked so young, but still.
He looks the same.
Yeah, he hasn't really aged that much
I, that voice, those eyes, that mustache, that was so great.
I loved how he walked him around pretending he was like a tech startup
and and he saw it right through his bullshit. and he's like, just keep keep
the music down, keep your ravvers inside or I'm going to call the fucking cops on all of y'all or whatever it was.
That was such a great scene.
I I was like, that's a cool cop right there.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
That's how you know it's a movie because it's a cool cop.
What else?
What else did I, what else do you guys want to talk about?
What stands out for you guys in this movie?
Donnie, I'll throw it back to you.
What's like the big.
What's your favorite part of this movie?
I mean, I just, it just takes me back.
So I think the whole nostalgia behind it.
Like for me, like the rave scene was, I I
was really into hip hop, and one of my friends introduced me into this culture.
And there was a lot of crossover, you know, like it was very
underground at that time and they were bringing big acts outside
of the, you know, the dance music or the EDM.
I mean, I saw like DJ Kubert, Kanye West, Jurassic 5.
Like those like some huge names that were
that really came out of like this type of culture.
And there was a lot of, Alex talked about it a little earlier, but there was
a lot of crossover into all these other, like the punk scene,
the hip scene, they're all very relatable.
You know, a lot of these were just people that did
it for the love and really did it with with no budget or no
real big plan in mind just just to expose the music and get people out
there and people to come together and enjoy it, you know?
Isn't that funny how we have fostered a culture where it's
like, if you're doing something, you're doing it to make money.
It's like, no, no, no, you don't, not everything has to be about money
Like you can, you can do stuff because you want, like we do this podcast because it's
Right.
Yeah.
fun to me. like to we enjoy talking about this stuff and whatnot.
You know, and sure, it it'd be nice to make money from this,
but, you know, not everything has to be about, has to be about making a profit.
So I appreciate that aspect of the culture.
And I feel like this movie is almost like
a love letter to that scene as well.
And I don't even know, I don't know if this movie made money on the
back end, but I would imagine if it didn't, that that probably was like,
nope, nothing to the director because he didn't make it for that reason.
Like, what do you guys think?
Like, because it doesn't seem like it was like a movie that turned a big profit, right?
Well, he only made one other movie after this, right?
I saw it on Letterbox, there was this movie called November.
And I really want to watch it that movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The premise sounds really cool
And, you know, I'm just curious about, like this
guy, he had a lot, it seemed to have a lot of potential, you know,
like just after watching this movie, I don't think it's a poorly made movie at all.
Like, it's it's definitely a low budget film,
but he did what he could with what he had.
And it's funny, like the camera tricks that he uses to make the like make it seem like it was like
a lot of people there where it was just all these really like close-ups
like of the crowd, which is probably only at 30
people there max, but the way he framed things,
it was like, it made it seem as like it was like 100, 200, 300
people there, you know, like, especially like when you, the scenes where there without people running and trying to leave
and then like, like when they were blown away by
the fact that like another party got shut down and they were all trying to get
there and there's like a thousand people at that party, you know?
And they're like, wow.
It's like, it made it even like there's like 10 people on the side of the building.
Exactly.
It was cool To
touch on that a little bit, though, is like, like you were saying with
the camera work and things like that, like now now that
you mention it, it's like, um, yeah, there weren't like
a whole lot of actors in this movie, but everything, everything was so like
for me, it was like really grounded.
So like when it's like you're a part of being a
part of this rave that was happening throughout the night.
So it's kind of like you were on the forefront of the whole event itself, like you were kind of a part of it.
I kind of like that the way that they filmed it in that aspect.
Because when it came to like
like some of the music scenes, well, I mean, the whole whole
thing was a giant music video, but it
just, it felt like you could just put this
movie on in the background and just vibe out to the
music and not have to really worry about the plot.
And I think that was a really cool thing that they implemented in this movie.
It's just like the music just kept going from the moment it
started till the moment it ended.
And And, I mean, not
saying that I won't watch the movie again, but if there's ever a
time that I need some background music, I'll put that movie on because it that
I'm I'm just going to say that movie has a banger of a soundtrack.
It's It's so so fucking good.
Yeah.
And I was going to say the budget of $50,000 adjusted for inflation.
I looked it up.
It's about 91,000 today, which seems
like not like a lot, but but 9150,000 back
then, like the dollar was, you know, you could stretch it more.
So, but but still, like, it's still not even for that era, it's still not a lot of money.
So it's super impressive to me that they were able to do what they
did with with that kind of a budget
But yeah, I, I really appreciate that.
It feels like a grounded movie.
It feels like something like, it almost, to me, it felt like almost like a documentary in a sense, you know?
Like, like that's how grounded it was.
There was no crazy like hijinks or nothing like that.
It was just about these people one night
in that scene.
And and I really did appreciate that aspect of it.
So what else?
Arnold, what what was your, how many times have you watched it, by the way, Arnold?
I don't think I asked you that.
Well, only once.
This is my first time.
Oh, this is your first time, too?
Okay, okay.
What was your favorite was your favorite moment from this film?
It was really great to hear the you know, like the
you know, I don't know.
That's the sound of the internet.
The dialogue.
The.
The beginning of the movie.
I love that she's using email in the beginning.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was just thinking about it.
I was like, I relate a little bit to each of the characters.
I don't know.
I kind of, personality-wise, with
David, the main character, a few things.
Did you relate to the guy who was
trying to hook up with both Colin and Hillary?
No., I've never been on that
I've never, I've never.
Just getting massages, right?
Getting roller coasters.
I love massages.
Side note.
But I Arnold, was it a wooden roller coaster?
No, it was a steel. steel.
Just checking Steel inverted.
No malfunction, no malfunction.
Gotcha.
A little bit with Colin.
I mean, like Colin's the one who proposed, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so. a few things.
Colinate with him.
But, no, it was it was just really fun.
Just just the epic movie of like an
epic rave Knight.
And like like he said, kind of dazing confused was kind of like
summer, after
school is over, but this was like one night they're
like, well, a little bit more because they did do a little bit of reconnaissance,
like, okay, are we going to be able to
to, where they hack hack the electricity or something?
Or like hijack it, steal it?
Something like that.
I was like, oh, that's pretty, pretty, pretty dope.
And so they, just to think that they really would do that kind
of stuff was, um, man, I feel like I missed out.
What a great time.
And, but I'm glad for the, for my friends who would
kind of bring that to me.
But yeah.
Oh, a lot of the things was that I thought was
really accurate was like, oh, yeah, they need, yeah, they definitely need water.
Yeah, they need water.
Yeah, I was going to say, that was not accurate.
Oh, yeah.
Why so much water, Sprite?
You have to stay hydrated with all the drugs.
So, okay.
So I know like weed makes you, gives you cottonmouth.
So other drugs do that too, for some like some reason somehow.
I it heats you up.
So it's like you're supposed to like keep cool
And then like the fruits, the vitamin C is supposed to
like enhance the effects of like ecstasy, for example.
Oh, too?
Yeah.
I know.
Is there Is there scientific backing in that or is that just like one
Yeah.
of those like, like I don't I never looked into it, but I was a believer.
Nice.
Yeah, I have a fun funny water story, actually.
Yeah, water story.
It's Let's hear.
Yeah, so like water, yeah, water
is a very common thing, uh, especially at like parties and,
you know, when you're doing drugs and shit like that.
So
um, you know, that's, that's definitely a common thing.
And I believe I may or may not
have told this story on the Poor Decisions podcast, but hey, you know what?
We'll revisit.
There's a lot of stories on the whole show.
Yeah.
So like, there was one time, we
went to like, it was like just an in apartment rave.
So it was like a rave in like a small apartment or whatever
They had someone like doing DJ stuff on
like their balcony and whatnot.
So like around this time, I was like
broken up with, uh, my ex-girlfriend.
I'm bringing Casey back.
Oh, God.
And,
uh, we broke up, but we were like going to this party together.
And um, all of my rape friends were like, yeah, man, it's
going to be like the, like best thing that we have like a DJ that's going to be there.
And
yeah, and I'm like, all right, cool.
So I didn't have to like drive anywhere.
I, I just literally walked over.
It was probably like two blocks away from my apartment.
And, uh, we get there and uh, my, my ex is there too.
And
like there was a guy yeah, we called him Panda
and, uh, yeah, he was a big, he was a big guy.
He would call him Panda. and I like, I didn't even step foot in through the door yet.
He was like outside of the apartment and he's like, hey, Justin, what's up?
I was like, hey man.
He's like, hey, you want to smoke this?
And he holds out a pipe.
And I'm like, oh, cool.
And he's like, I was like, oh, is it weed?
He's like, yeah, man, it's weed.
He's like, go and go ahead and smoke it.
I'm like, cool, man.
and then I smoke it and then I completely black out.
It almost, almost immediately,
almost immediately after inhaling this shit, I completely blacked out.
And this is kind of like a retelling through
friends that told me like what happened throughout the whole party.
So I completely missed the party.
But I was there at the same time doing
dancing, whatever the fuck I was doing, not really sure, but there
was like a point in time where I was like planted on,
um, and I do vaguely remember this.
I was planted on a couch and there's a strobe light just fucking in my face.
Like it was like the strobe light like was so fucking loud.
I just heard it.
It was just the worst time ever.
It was just in my face like
I'm like, oh my God, dude, what the hell is happening?
So You felt the pixels.
I felt I was the pixel.
It had I got up and
everybody was telling me that I went around just like asking
for drinks, like something to drinks and drinks it,
but I wasn't like very like peculiar on what I asked to drink.
I just went up to people and said, hey, let me get something to drink.
You did tell this on the P Decisions podcast.
Yeah, I don't remember the story.
I remember.
This is a good story
So what it's up happening it is that instead
of giving me fucking water, like I'm assuming is
what I wanted, they started giving me cups,
solo cups of just straighten vodka.
Solo cups of vodka.
So I not only am I already blacked out of like whatever
weed, I'm starting to get even more plastered with the just straight.
It wasn't even like, it was straight fucking vodka.
They could have given me alcohol poisoning, bro.
I probably did.
Who knows?
But I got, yeah, I got so fucked up and then
I and if I wasn't already blacked out enough, I don't remember that night at all.
That's crazy.
Yeah, it was crazy.
How old were you at the time?
I was like 20,1, something like that.
Yeah.
You'll bounce back from that, for sure.
Yeah, I'll bounce..
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then like I ended up in this like weird room that was like dark.
They're like, oh, Justin, you need to go lay down.
I'm like, I don't need to lay down.
I need to like not, I need something to drink, man.
So they I do remember also
like little bits and flashes here is that they, they, I forget who it was.
They put me into a room.
It was pitch black
and there were just people just fucking in there.
And, um including my ex.
And they were like?
Yeah, Arnold was there in the corner too, God knows what.
So, uh that she
So would you consider that yourself getting cuted there?
Yeah, I got cuted.
I got cucked for sure.
You were getting cut before it was cool.
They didn't even give me a bed.
They left me on the ground. floor.
No. on the floor.
No chair.
I was riding the floor.
Did those people care or did they even know that you were in the room or did it not even matter?
You, they they knew I was in the room and they they
cared in the sense that they were like protecting me.
But also at the same time, you have to realize that at this party,
everybody else was on like fucking drugs and shit like that too.
So nobody knew what the fuck they were doing.
I, yeah.
Oh, I ended up like vomiting outside of their apartment.
And then for somehow, by some miracle, I ended up back in my bed
at my apartment.. with my
ex That party, which was crazy.
That party was entitled That
party was entitled No Cuck T for Old Men.
That was a roller coaster of a story.
Yeah, that's crazy.
And it's all because it's all because the water.
But yeah.
Justin, your life is super bad on drugs.
I just realized that.
Sometimes.
You kind of live super bad in a way.
Yeah, in in in between like
2008 and 2011, yeah.
It was it was a blur.
Those ears were definitely a blur.
I did a lot of different things.
Half of them I don't even remember.
Damn How old are you now, about?
I I should know this.
How old are you now, by the way?
Justin?
I had just turned 36 in August.
Holy.
I thought you were 34 for some reason.
Wow.
No.
I don't know.
That's my brother.
That's my brother.
My brothers.
That's so great.
Okay, wow.
You're talking about like blacking out
Remember the part when they're all.'
hoping that night, they had the nitr tanks?
Yeah, the nitrous tanks?
dude, that shit.
Is that too.
Whippets..
I thought that shit's bad for your brain.
Yeah, all that.
Yeah.
Yes.
I heard of somebody like, like, they died from it.
Oh, yeah..
I remember one time in high school
somebody had it in a balloon.
And then it was right before the
bell rang and before class was going to start.
And this guy, he inhaled the whole thing.
And then
he was walking in the class.
He's thinking he'd be all cool.
Then all of a sudden he just like gets up and he starts walking
through all the desks and all the people and all the chairs.
And then the teacher was like, oh my gosh, he's
he's what's he's having a, what do you call it?
A seizure?
A seizure.
But I'm like, I know damn well what that was.
He's just inhaled a whole balloon full of nitrous.
And you know what's funny?
That guy
could easily be president.
Just saying.
You know what?
That guy?
He has that same color hair.
I'm not going to, I know his name.
But I'm not going to say it.
No, I don't say his name.
We'll call him Bob or something.
I don't know.
Okay.
Well, I think I think we've reached that point.
Donnie, do you have any more thoughts in general?
Not just about this movie.
Just tell us your philosophy.
That's what we're here for.
Well, it's all good.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I mean, I think we.
No., I think we covered everything.
Overall, I thought it was a great movie.
I really liked it.
And yeah, I'm a little biased because I was a part of that scene, but I think they represented it well.
And I really liked that.
It wasn't just like one big stereotype, right?
Like it showed all walks of life and how they enjoyed it.
And so, you know, everybody's there for a different reason, and I think they really brought that into the story.
I was half expecting this to be like, go, but go.
Yeah, I can go.
Yeah, yeah.
That's a whole different vibe
than this.
I feel like anybody else that's made a movie about raves is
like more similar to like a ghost story, right?
Where this is more like, hey, this is how it actually was like.
And it's not just for ravers, but, you know, everybody can enjoy it and everyone's there for a different reason.
I kind of I also kind of ahead.
Let me ask you.
Sorry.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Really quick.
I was just going to say really quick, really quick, we all kind of have different kinds of movies that we like.
What's your favorite genre of movies?
Do you have a favorite genre?
What kind of movies do you?
Yeah, you know, I like low budget films for some reason.
I don't know what it is.
I just like
how they're gritty and like, I'm a real big, I like lighting too.
Like when I see like how it's shot, like that's that's a big that's a big thing for me.
So I know you had mentioned that earlier, so..
Do you work?
I mean, I know you're in Vegas.
Do you work in like the hospitality or your casinos?
Like, what do you do?
I'm in human resources, so I'm, I'm a recruiter for a big company.
Nice.
And I just, yeah, so I talk to people all day on the phone.
Over and over again, same questions.
I'm working logistics, so same thing except for're over.
Yeah, yeah.
Where's my refrigerator?
What's that?
I just do a little photography?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I kind of stopped when Silas was born, my son's about to be nine now.
And so like, there's no time for editing and all that shit.
So, you know, when that happened, I kind of I put it away.
I still have all the equipment.
I have all the lighting.
I have strobes.
I have everything.
I have a bunch of lenses.
I just haven't pulled it out yet.
Yeah.
Well, hopefully your son will someday
take up the mantle.
Yeah, I'm hoping to teach him, you know, it'll be cool for him to pick that up and learn.
I joke.
Hey, you have those strokes, Arnold.
Donald Don has the strokes, Arnold.
Get me a ridic.
That's actually a good idea.
You guys should make your own rave.
We should do a never seenenit Rave party or something.
Somewhere in the desert.
Don't tempt me.
Somewhere between Vegasas and Palm Springs.
You know what I did real quick?
We did this, like in Vegas when I. So I moved here in 99.
We did it in 2000.
And I guess it was very similar to how they did it the warehousehouse.
And we thought we were slick.
We were still using AAM, but we got caught because we did it in a football field and they saw the lights from the free day.
But it was interesting.
So are you you with me?
Like, do you miss that more analog slash semi-digital era?
Like do you Oh, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Are you guys Are you guys
What's up?
I'm sorry..
No, no, you go ahead.
No, go ahead.
What was your question?
Oh, man, I lost my parent.
I you lost your pants.
We were just talking about
You missed, that transition from, you know, analog into digital.
Because like I was saying earlier, it feels like that's just a bygone era and everything.
Yeah.
I do miss that anal log.
Like nowadays, everything is so
much more like digital, you know, like dig more quicker.
Like I missed the days.
Like, you know.
Yeah.
Digital's cool, right?
But you just can't recapture like some of the greediness that you know, you could have put analogue.
Donnie, what is what is your, if you had to pick, if you were stuck on
an island with one, let's say two movies.
If you're stuck stuck on an island with only two movies.
Oh, man.
What would that be?
that?
That's hard, man.
I mean, I will tell you like Eternal Sunshine is one of my favorite movies.
and Amel is another one of my favorite movies.
So those are pretty opposite movies, but like just just I
like all kinds of movies, but those two are some of my favorites.
That's so interesting.
From Sunshine to Olites, like you said, couldn't be any more different from each other.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
I watched Olie once and I honestly,
I didn't get it, but maybe I need to watch it again.
This was this was like 12 years ago.
Yeah.
One of our fans was telling me that we should watch that one because I've never seen it.
One of your, I love that movie.
It's really good.
Yeah, yeah.
Not on my Only fans.
Yeah.
Did say Only, Is that what you said?
I asked you one of your OnlyFans.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
One of our fans for the.
Oh, no, oh.
That's a different.
That's a different fan.
By the way, for those listening at home, I don't think we said it.
Arnold, Alex, and Donnie are related, right?
Cousins.
Yeah. cousins.
Second cousins Like third cousin Pink.ird Third cousins.
Second or third, yeah.
Maybe third
Because our mom is cousins with your.
No.
With your mom.
Which makes your mom.
It's your mom.
It's your mom.
It's your mom.
She has you guys stories.
We're all Castros.
I'm a Castro, right?
You guys a Castro part, family.
Yeah, yeah.
I think We might be second.
I think we're second. cousins, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Second cousins, yes.
Yeah.
But we like, we've like, all hung out, all parties all the time.
No raves together, but
All the Filipino parties.
aves.
They could have easily been.
I love to go to the raves.
You should.
We'll invite you the next time we have one.
I want to eat the stuff that you make, Arnold, every
time I get so mad because I'm like, God damn it, I wish I could cook like that.
Arnold makes some, they look like fire meals.
Am I right, Arnold?
You made something recently.
If you say so, but I just had a great idea, man, if we were to throw our own raid
I'll be with you in a minute.
I' food.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
You know how, how the
guy who put the rave together, how he was like, I
do it for the nod..
I get that feeling when, how I have this feeling like, oh, dude, I would just want to
cook for a bunch, like make a bunch of food and then just feed a bunch of people.
Like, how he was feeding like, uh, you know,
you got to keep the music going because, you know, you got to feed the energy.
You got to keep the energy going.
You got to keep the food coming.
Yeah.
Oh, Arnold,
I remember you were a chef at one of the hotels I stayed at once in Palm
Springs and you, you came out all sweaty and I was like, how do you like this gig, man?
And you were like, man, I do it for the rush.
I do it for the thing.
just completely drenched the sweat and you're like, I love it.
I do it for the rush.
It's also on meth at the time, though, too.
So that's how funny I meth?
Might be.
I don't know.
But that was a great answer.
It might be.
And then you ran back to the kitchen just like, okay.
Oh, I think I totally remember this.
I remember you staying there and coming for the breakfast and then like.
Yeah, yeah, it was for breakfast.
Yeah, this.
You came all like all calm, like at the time your girlfriend
at the time.
And then like, I was, I remember happy happy to see you.
And I'm like, oh dude.
I got, I got.
She's That's your cousin?
Hey, Donald.
Was Arnold's eyes darting from left and right?
He was moving so fast, I couldn't even see, man.
I was probably like, hey, Donald, I's so good to see you, man.
I'm st tired, though.
You know what's funny?
I've never seen Arnold mad.
I've never seen, I don't know if that's even possible
I know you get mad, Arnold, but I've never seen you mad.
How about this mad face?
Why is that?
So, you can't do it.
I'm not buying it.
You look moreful.
You looks more than lessful.
Yeah, exactly.
What was You were mad that one time when you downloaded a movie or something.
It was some movie
That was a movie you did for the show.
Oh, it was for B. It
was during B. Oh, yeah, Ghost.
We were to use Criterion, the Criterion channel.
And they did the weirdest thing for Ghost Dog.
They had a track, a film version
that only had the soundtrack, no, like dialogue.
You couldn't hear any of the dialogue, which was so weird.
It was like, who just wants the movie, wants to watch a movie with no
dialogue, just the soundtrack?
It could be a vibe.
It could be a vibe.
I mean.
Throw it in the background of like a party.
Yeah.
Good idea.
Well, I remember in the slack, it's like this movie.
I was so mad because he couldn't get into work.
I're like.
My bad, my bad, my bad.
No, that was that was funny, though.
In retroospect.
It was funny.
It's good memories.
That's the kind of
I'd like to have on this show, Donnie.
And I think it's a good time to, yeah, let's
give our final thoughts and Donnie, I'll start with you again.
What are your final thoughts in this movie?
What's your final rating on this movie, by the way?
How do you guys rating?
Letterbox.
That's to you, but we use Letterbox, yeah.
Yeah, we did the Letterbox system
out of five.
One out of five.
One of five stars.
Yeah.
One out of five.
All right.
Well, I'm I give this one a four.
I think, again, I'm going off of like nostalgia and the way they captured the scene.
I felt like it was pretty accurate.
I mean, there was definitely something inaccuracies, right?
But overall, I think it was it was written really well.
considering the budget too, I thought I thought it was a I thought it was done good.
So I'm going to give it a four.
Also, while I have, I'm just want to say, hey, thank you guys for inviting me.
This has been great.
And I've watched a lot of your guys' episodes and I'm a fan personally,
so to be honest, it's real honor for me, so thank you guys.
He's a fan.
He's a fan.
He's a fan.
I'm a fan.
Love, man.
Well, thank you for, sorry, did I miss it?
Where can people find you online?
I think I'm I
am on Lterbox actually as Donnie Appleseed.
I'm on Instagram underscore Donnie Appleseed.
And yeah, that's pretty much it.
Let me ask you this really quick.
What is your rewatchability score?
Do you think this movie has a high rewatchability or a low?
I mean,
I'd probably give that a three.
I'd rewatch it again.
I'd definitely re-watch it again.
I'd keep it in rotation once in a while.
But one of those movies, now that I've seen it twice, I'd have to be in a mood to watch it, right?
Fair enough, fair enough.
All right.
Yeah.
Alex, let's go to you.
Final thoughts, social media, final rating, all that good stuff.
So just some final thoughts.
I love the fact that we were talking about how the
promotion of these shows were like analog,
you know, flyers, um phones, like phone lines.
Yeah, people are making still like, to be a
day making, not as regularly and like as
politically as it used to be.
But they still people still makeines
about like music culture.
But one of my my favorite things that is currently
happening right now is in here in San Diego, there's somebody who is
does a party line and it's not, and
it's's not really just a party line for like parties, but it's also for like shows,
for a lot of like, every kind
of music culture, any sort of art shows, like if it's
like a DIY kind of space, they'll like throw it on a phone line.
I can't I can't remember at the time like of this recording
what the Instagram is.
If you go to the Instagram, it has the phone number that and
you can, you could like call that phone number and it's
a recording and it tells you like, hey, this week's
shows are such as us and suchutch.
And it's, it's, it's, it's cool. a cool feeling to be able to like go to that
And I love that feeling, you know?
It's being finding out
on Instagram, on like social media.
It's great.
That's how I found out a lot about a lot about
a lot of like shows, things like that.
But
hearing it firsthand from some
sort of sourcece that isn't,
like through some sort of social media platform is great.
I love going to a music store and finding
finding out about a show or going to a comic book shop and finding
out about a comic convention or like art show
It's something beautiful.
And even the idea of going to like a store
that sells physical media, there's something beautiful about that.
And it makes you connect
It helps It helps assist you to connect to like
the world at large.
You can't scroll through the shelves, right?
Yeah, yeah, you can't.
Like, you can't just swipe through.
No.
You know?
You look at the CDs, you look at the vinyl, you
look at the DVDs and Blu-rays, and you're like, are this is made by.
I hear cassettes are making a comeback.
Well, yeah, they've been around for a minute now.
Like, people are getting back into even making VHS
You know, they' They're putting out like,
there's a movie that's just came out called Kim's Video.
And it's a documentary on.'s.
Yeah, it's it came out like that video.
Kim's Z
Oh, I'm kidding.
But like, yeah, it's.
Deep cut.
It's It's one of those things where it's like, I
love, you know, the tangible world.
And raves
parties, concerts, are part of that world.
And you can't really recreate that with AI.
You can't recreate going to shows, you can't recreate that.
Like that that's physical interaction between
the performer and you.
A lot of times you talk about like seeing shows
and the whole thing of like, oh,
I really felt that.
You do.
You really do.
When you love music and you feel that even
from afar, when I like this past Saturday, I went to go see Green Day for the first time.
Thought I'd never see them in my life
But like, I saw them and they were still so far
away yet, like, I remember just having this emotional response.
I didn't think I was going to have such an emotional response
to it because they're like this child like this teenage, like
this band that I was a fan of it when I was a teen.
But now it's like,
I'm in my 40s and I still have
that visceral emotional reaction and connection to it.
And like, I miss those days.
And I went when I went I was watching this, it made me miss being a promoter.
It's like almost like, like kind of
like reignited my
love for that and made me spin my wheels a
little bit more on getting possibly getting back into it.
I don't know.
We'll see.
You should.
You were good at it.
Seriously.
Thank you.
Thank you.
But yeah, that being
said, I gave it, it a three and a half.
It's still like, it's still like, I'll watch it again.
It's It's very, to me, it has like a three and a half
for rewatchability.
Even like how Justin said, it was like throw it in the background with the music.
It's a really good soundtrack.
And yeah, like, and it's one of
those soundtracks that just like transcends a lot of
like transcends time.
It's timeless.
I just noticed your shirt, by the way.
I love that.
That's great.
Yeah, slipknot is timeless as well.
Adrian's never seen the Goonies.
I never have.
We should.
I know.
I' calling him out on it here right now on this podcast.
Really?
He's never seen it.
We have to watch.
I heard you didn't want to watch it.
That's.
He's been refusing to watch it.
Come on him out right now.
I'll watch it.
Name of the time and the place.
All right.
My right now.
Did you say you?
No.
You can be on my top bunk?
It's weird.
It's like, I know it's just military propaganda and it's like, do I really want to want?
But then it's like, I know it's like one of the most famous movies.
Come on.
I don't know.
I hate riff and Solo.
Forget it.
This is the part where you say, get out of your ass about it and just go watch it.
Who cares about
politics and all that that bullshit.
Y'all that's another Jean-Claude Van Damme movie?
Yeah.
I mean, That's the great thing about doing
this show is is that I've said it many times, so many movies I watched and enjoyed.
And even if they were bad, still enjoyed watching it because I would never would have watched like Lnnower Man.
Like I never would have watched Ln Mower.
Like, my God, like what kind of
Oh, man.
Never going to watch it guys.
I saw you guys' review on your review on Bloodsport, that episode.
I watched that one.
It was just interesting to see what you guys had to say about it because I
like that movie growing up and just watching and revisiting it.
I was like, oh my God, it's crazy.
And was it?
Ambo 5 or four?
that we watched.
Oh, Blood.
Blood...
Rocky.
Oh, you guys watch the Rocky?
What's the famous line, Justin?
You said it.
Technically, it watched itself.
Watches it itself for you, yeah.
s Oh, yeah.
Sorry.
Oh, yeah.
You can find me Daily Dares on all the socials.
Are you on threads?
Should I be on threads?
Is anyone using?
I don't I use threads.
But I just I just kind of like link it and whatever
links from Facebook or Instagram goes there.
That's what I' do and I completely ignore it and
then sometimes every now and again there'll be like people that like it.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever.
And it you because on Instagram, you, or Facebook, you'll scroll and like, oh, let me look at that headline on that picture.
And it's like, oh, you have it's on the.
You have to go to the threads, yeah.
Well, opened up a
I opened up a threads for Never seen It, so Okay.
Oh, yeah.
So'rere on threads.
Yeah, we're on We should all be on Blue Sky because
once Elon is finished fucking up Twitter, everyone's going to just go to Blue Sky.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Blue Sky is the Twitter alternative, Arnold, the
guy that founded Twitter and sold that to that idiot, Elon Musk, made his own version of Twitter.
It's called Blue Sky.
I thought that was me
back in the wannabe rave days when I was so
high, I was like, why is the blue sky?
Where did the accent?
Where did that come from all of a sudden?
Don't you know, whenever he gets high or dryunk, he starts using a Filipino accent?
He code switches?
Yep.
Who is the most fluententic between the three of you?
Donald Donald.
Yeah, probably me.
Yeah, yeah.
That's funny.
My friend
Yeah.
Alex, I think you've met her.
Tawny.
She was on the ele.
She's Filipino.
She moved to the Philippines recently.
And it's a very interesting.. experience for her.
She says that everything takes forever to do over there.
And I don't understand why.
Maybe it's a cultural thing.
Should you get to write stuff down a lot.
Island Island time.
Another time, yeah.
Like Hawaii.
Are they still analog over there?
Possibly Arnold.
Arnold, show us your analog.
No.
Yo, fun fact that I didn't know English until I was in kindergarten.
I was actually in ESL.
That's funny.
Yeah, yeah.
Because technically Spanish was my first language.
Yeah.
Because my dad't, he speaks English, but he doesn't speak it that great
And my mom speaks both languages pretty well.
And she taught me more English, speaking it more to
me naturally before I entered kindergarten.
And I was watching an old, not to make this about me, but it is about me.
I watched I found an old tape from the early 2000s and
you hear me talking in the background and I have such a Latino accent.
I'm like, oh my God, I used to sound like that.
I don't sound like that.
That's weird.
That's give you on TV now, man.
You lose your accent naturally, though, over time, I think.
I don't know.
That seems like you.
Yeah, I definitely lost mine.
Yeah.
You lost your Durango accent?
Yeah.
Your inland Empire accent?
Put those pickle putts in the air fryer, please.
Over, I just learned Justin Gooder.
You tell us.
Final thoughts, rating, Fucking stupid.
Fuck you guys.
Now, I'm joking.
No, honestly, I really like the movie a lot.
A lot more than I thought I was going to like it.
It reminded me of a lot of like
the days I'd take my friends go to raves,
and then I would just be there enjoying the music, smoke a little pot,
drinking a little alcohol, if it was available and
then watch them be silly and roll their heads off, you
know, and then I'd gather them all up and, you know, take them home afterwards.
But
they' was like a lot of that going on.
A lot of people like sleeping in the bathrooms.
A lot of people just touching each other.
A lot of people just on the floor rubbing the grass and whatever, whatever it is,
everybody was just having a good time just like loving life on drugs.
It was great.
I think, I think, and
I was there to, you know, rile them up or gather them up and take them home.
But, but
I want to say like a significant moment in the movie.
And I don't know what it is lately about these last few movies
about like the ending just being so perfect for me.
But you know how like most movies, especially in
like the early 2000s and, you know, even 90s, like
they would do this like slow-mo stuff
where it's like they, they're like, oh, we wanted slow-mo, but we already cut the movie.
So let's like add it in last minute.
It's kind of like a sped up slow-mo type of weird.
This is in this movie, they did it so fucking well.
It was so like the ending, like scene of
everybody dancing to digweed and everything.
It was just like the slow-mo was done so fucking well.
And it just made me like go like, wow,
you know, this is a really nice topper for just
the end of this night, the end of this movie.
Because
you know, if you think about it, when you're done at like
a show, a rave or anything, there's, there is like, like
that sense of, um bitter sweetness
at the end of the night where you know this is like the last song
playing and you kind of just want it to just last forever.
And I, that's the feeling I got out of the ending of that movie
where it's just like, it's, you know, it's the end. and
you're just going to live it up for as long as you possibly can.
And it really does feel like slow-mo sometimes
So I thought that ending to that was very beautiful.
Everything wrapped up really well, just like
in like Days and Confused and things like that.
Honestly, I feel like I liked this movie better than Days and Confused.
And, you know, the gay couple ending
up like, even though they never made it to the party, they still
slapped in that tape for digweed and they still enjoyed their time together.
You know, everybody's stories wrapped up.
Everybody had a great time, regardless of what
happened and who was there.
And, you know, they were just living life.
And it just takes me back
to when I was like just there living my life.
And I feel like, like I'm in a moment in my life
now where I'm kind of just like, now I'm like
allowed to kind of experience that again, if not more so, because I didn't really get
that chance.
Even when I was going to those parties, you know, it was still
like with my ex or, you know, with somebody else.
And these days I'm like, I can kind of like get
that sense of feeling again.
And it's, it's a very beautiful thing.
This was a very beautiful movie
I liked it a lot.
From the beginning to end, the music was just consistently good.
It was just a one giant party on my TV.
It was It was great.
I have no real issues with it.
I will say that it may maybe was a
little bit camping in the beginning, but honestly,
like, what can you expect when you're trying to set something up and
you're getting and you're going into it with fresh eyes?
I can't really judge it too hard on things like that
because it ended up redeeming itself within the first five to 10 minutes anyway.
So, um, I gave it on Letterbox a four and a half out of five.
Um, I really enjoyed it a lot.
Um,
And, uh, yeah, you can
find me Shibbs the Zombie on Instagram.
If you just go to Instagram, you can click on my profile
and you can find all the links to all the things that I am also a part of.
But I mostly just hang out on Instagram and Doom Squirrel.
Nice.
Very well said.
Thank you for that, Justin
Oh, really quick.
Rewatchability.
What would you say?
Oh, yeah, Rewwatchability.
Again, this would probably be something like specifically
I would be looking for like just a constant beat for like an hour and a half.
So it would be a, it would be like a background music kind of thing.
Honestly, I may end up just like going
through the movies and like playlists and
just finding all of like the songs that I played and put it on my playlist.
So as far as rewatchability goes, I really enjoyed watching it
as it was for the first time.
I would say rewatchability for me is about about a two and a half.
That's fair.
Yeah.
And Alex, I didn't really quick with you.
What's your?
You don't have to give a number if you don't want, but like, would you say it's a high rewatchability, low, somewhere in the middle?
Oh, no, I gave a rewatchability.
It was between three and a half and four.
Nice, nice, nice.
All right, Arnold, tell us. final thoughtss
and your score and where can we find you?
So, this movie
was a really great time.
And I really thoroughly enjoyed it.
And I knew that was about rave culture,
and I didn't know or experien
it like how how they did in the movie.
But just one
final thought that I had about the movie.
So you remember the part when
I guess David, he
gets to the rave and then he goes into into that like quieter room
and then there's like all this food there and he pulls out the money.
He's like, yeah, how much here do you have change for a 20?
And they're like,
dude, man, put that away.
It's all free.
It's all, you know, like, he didn't experience the love.
Like he like he didn't know, like from the beginning of,
of that rave, he, he's never experienced love like that.
Like
and then then, you know, then they drop and then they,
then, you know, the whole, all that happens.
But then throughout the whole movie, like
he, he, he changes a lot.
And then he experiences
another level of love.
And, but, and then, and then at the end of
the movie, I don't know if you remember,
I guess in San Francisco with like Tll roads,
he goes to the Tall Road and then he has that
same 20 and that it's probably like like two bucks or four bucks or whatever.
And then he's like, he, he pauses and he hands it to the guy
and then the guy's like gonna, you can tell he's like going to
go get change for him, but then he just drives off and then he has like like
this smile on his face where where like
from experiencing that love, he's he's passing it on.
And then and then then the guy, the tall r guy is like, oh, sorry.
Come on, guys.
Just spraying his spreading his love everywhere.
Yeah.
Spreading it.
Spread it.
Which I thought was really cool.
And yeah.
I'm all about that.
I' love to spread the love.
Yeah.
Arm likes to spray his love everywhere.
Better watch out.
lower lip.
I mean, it was more just like, you better bite that pillow.
This is brand new..
I mean, I wouldn't even bite it like..
Maybe the dogs would.
Yeah.
It's nothing sacred.
I know what you do trying to throw me off track.
No, never.
But yeah, yeah, I really like this movie.
Oh, My Z rating.
Oh, yeah.
So.
Tell Donnie about this.
We're doing video.
If you don't know.
Before watching the movie
I had made these.
They're like a Korean barbecue tacos.
That looks good.
That looks really good.
It has a
some grilled beef that had marinated, some
bulgogi beef and some pickled dai daion and
carrot and some cilantro, green onions and some sriracha.
Pictured there was three because, you know, I'm just eating a sensible amount.
But I probably had like twice that amount at least.
And, which, you know, normally six tacos, would that make you guys sleepy?
It normally would make me sleepy.
And
Probably.
make me throw up.
We watched a movie.
We end up watching
the movie after that didn't get sleepy one bit.
So zero, zero rating.
So it's Oh, I get it.
Z rating.
Yeah, I got check.
I got you.
Other ones.
I get the joke.
I get it.
I get it.
So
now my letterbox score would be I give it a three and a half
but my rewatchability
score, I'd give it like a four and a half just because I
I'd want to keep...
I don't know.
I thrive and feed off with a lot of energy from different things, you know?
And like
if I want that vibe, if I want to keep it going,
I'll put it on the background.
Arnold's a true extrovert because
he feeds off of like party energy.
No, I'm saying I'm saying this as a
like a positive note, Arnold.
Don't get mad.
Oh.
Like you and I are opposite.
I wasn't getting mad.
Don't get mad and show off your muscles.
Don't give me your shirt.
Do show your muscles though.
What?
Would you call me?
I can't make a the other guy.
Sloths face at like move.
Thank you guys.
Yeah, so those are my scores.
Oh, you can find me, Arnie Cgo, A-RNI-E.
Colego, C-A-L-L- EG-O.
on all the socials, whether it be Instagram to
threads to X, to Snapchat.
TikTok.
How about your OnlyFans?
What's your OnlyFans?
Yeah.
I don't have one of those.
Oh, not yet.
What about your fans, Lee?
Fansly.
I'm not familiar with that.
How about your throne so they could buy you some sexy lingerie?
your Amazon wish list.
I'm a.
I don't know what that is.
But Adrian, how about you?
What did you think?
Well, thank you for Arnold for that.
No, no, I was a really good throw.
No, that was a really good throw.
Yeah, yeah.
Because, you know, you can't..
Back to you.
And I shouldn't.
You can't, like, like, you know. throw it on yourself, splash it on yourself.
Not with that.
No, I enjoy this movie.
I mean, it's not the kind of movie that I would normally watch,
like I said, but I enjoyed it for it.
It's sort of an originality.
It's sort of being kind of a niche.
Oh, well, you have two of those pillows.
That's fantastic.
I don't know if that has two pillows, by the way, for those of you listening.
This is how I felt like after the movie or like after
like a good party, you just like, yeah.
Good stuff.
Perfect recreation, yeah.
How about the roller coaster?
Have you been giving you any roller coasters?
That's a double roller coaster.
No, a good movie.
You know, Overall, I enjoyed it, you know, not the kind of
movie I would normally watch, like I said, but still still very interesting to see that sort of
not, I wouldn't say firsthand, but that dependsiction of like a very niche subculture
that felt very grounded in reality and stuff.
So I want to give it my letterbox rating a strong 3.5.
For me personally, I would say it has a low rewatchability
score only because I don't know that I would rewatch this movie necessarily.
And that's not an indictment on the movie.
There's plenty of..
I wouldn't rewatch Uncut gems, and I like that movie.
And that movie's crazy.
a low rewatch rewatchability score for me.
3.5 out of five on Letterboxed.
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I'm starting to sound like Joe Biden now.
I'm going to drop out of posting this show.
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