We dive into the bizarre, surreal world of Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma, the 2026 psychological horror film directed by Jane Schoenbrun and starring Hannah Einbinder and Gillian Anderson. We discuss the movie's subversive take on slasher films, queer identity, sexual trauma, nostalgia, and the strange relationship between horror movies and the people who find comfort in them. From disturbing imagery and over-the-top kills to its dreamlike visuals and unexpected love story, we break down a film that turned out to be much more than a typical slasher movie.
We’re diving headfirst into the strange, bloody, and deeply unconventional world of Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma, the 2026 psychological horror film directed by Jane Schoenbrun and starring Hannah Einbinder and Gillian Anderson. What initially looks like a throwback slasher movie quickly becomes something far more surreal, with layers of symbolism, disturbing imagery, and themes that leave us debating what we just watched.
The story follows Chris, an aspiring filmmaker tasked with revitalizing the fictional Camp Miasma horror franchise. Her search for the franchise’s reclusive original star, Billy, leads to an increasingly bizarre journey through sexuality, identity, trauma, and the blurred boundaries between movies and reality.
We discuss why Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma defies traditional horror movie expectations and how its movie-within-a-movie structure becomes central to its storytelling. We break down the mysterious Little Death, the recurring imagery of vents and geometric patterns, and the possibility that the film’s strange visual language represents voyeurism, repression, and the act of watching people perform for a camera.
We also explore the film’s treatment of queer identity, sexual awakening, shame, and trauma. How does Billy’s relationship with Chris connect to the experiences buried beneath the fictional Camp Miasma franchise? Can horror movies offer comfort and a sense of belonging to people who feel like outsiders? And what does it mean when the stories we grew up watching become intertwined with our own identities?
The conversation goes deeper into the movie’s surreal filmmaking style, including its David Lynch-esque atmosphere, hand-painted matte backgrounds, 35mm film texture, VHS aesthetics, and striking cinematography. We talk about the opening title sequence, the nostalgic music choices, and the wildly exaggerated slasher sequences that contrast with the film’s more intimate emotional moments.
We also debate competing interpretations of the ending, including whether Chris’s journey is a psychological transformation, something more supernatural, or a story that exists on multiple levels of reality. Is Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma ultimately a horror movie, a queer coming-of-age story, a meditation on the film industry, or an unconventional love story wrapped in grotesque imagery?
Plus, we share our reactions to the film’s pacing, discuss the appeal of comfort horror movies like A Nightmare on Elm Street and Dawn of the Dead, and explain why this strange, divisive movie gave us so much to talk about.
In this episode, we discuss:
Warning: Spoilers ahead! We discuss major plot developments, interpretations of the film’s symbolism, and possible explanations for its ending.
Join us as we try to make sense of one of the strangest horror movies of 2026. We may not agree on every interpretation, but that’s part of what makes this movie worth discussing.
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Welcome to the Never Seen It Podcast.
The only podcast called Never Seen It That's worth listening to.
With us tonight, Mr. Arnie, the One- Man party is
here, Arnold Calo, Mr. Daily Dares, a.k.
Filipino Grigio, A. Alex.
Calo, The Brothers Calo.
Mr. Ghostnerd 88, ak.
Justin Rwin, and then there's me, Boots Too Big.
And tonight, we're discussing the 2026 film
Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Me Ozma
Brand new film, Hot Off the Presses.
After years of slap dash sequels and
waning fandom, the Camp Mi Ozma slasher franchise is handed
over to an enthusiastic young director for reservation.urrection.
But when she visits the original star's now reclusive actress shrouded in mystery
the two women fall into a blood soaked world of
desire, fear, and delirium, starring
Hannah Einbinder, Jillian Anderson, the great Jillian
Anderson, directed by James Schun.
Schun.
I hope I'm not saying that, right?
She directed a couple more movies that you may have heard of.
I saw the TV glow.
Justin, did you see that one?
I feel like that's a movie you would have watched.
No?
Yeah, so this is like her fourth film that she's done
Very interesting director, very interesting movie.
And Alex, I think you had suggested this movie, so tell us, why did you suggest Kat Mi Azma?
I actually caught the the tail end of a paddle.
It wasn't for Maiasma.
It was something that had that she
was she's like plays that blonde girl on Darevil.
Anyways, that's kind of irrelevant.
Mubi was kind of part of that panel.
Yeah.
And they were kind of talking about how they were going to show at the end of that panel
that they would show the
trailer and then they had a surprise for us, quote unquote.
And we saw the trailer.
I thought it was great.
I thought it was like a cool concept.
And then they showed the
opening sequence, the
title sequence entitles title sequence.
Nice.
And I noticed that it was playing a
cover of REM's Night Swimming.
And I was like, oh, that's a really cool choice.
That's a really, very interesting choice.
And then, but he's like, I like the song and like the song is like really, um,
it's a beautiful song about like nostalgia and kind
of like childhood, things that experiences
that you you cherish and you kind of hold
dear because like the song is like about like going night
swimming as a youth and you're like, you kind of cherish those moments that you have
And, you know, it's kind of one of those moments that
you even like barely talk about because you don't want to ruin it for your memory.
You just kind of, you speak, if you speak about something too much, you're kind of like,
uh, yeah, it kind of ruins your perception of it sometimes.
If you, you just want to like cherish that.
And that's kind of what like that song is about.
And then
I found out about the, that
popcorn reef was doing a VHS screening.
They're releasing a VHS version of this movie.
I love that.
And that was like, that's really cool.
So I really have to go see this.
So and I thought that would kind of
a cool idea to, because it's still, like technically still in theaters, still kind of new.
It's not like playing in a lot of theaters, but it's relatively new.
And it's a horror film, quote unquote.
Exactly which we'll get into.
Was that at a panel this year's Comic-Con?
You?
Oh, okay.
Wait, we got to I kind of like came to the panel before
Okay.
the one that I was going to, I meaning to go to.
I went to go watch a prorest wrestling AEW
panel, but then I snuck in earlier just so I could get a good seat.
And then I luckily
saw that trailer and the opening title sequence and I was like,
like really stoked to watch this movie.
So I's you to be listening or watching and spoilers ahead,
if you're expecting a typical slasher horror movie, you're
going to be very disappointedappointed because this movie is not that.
This movie is so much more than that, which we'll get into
And I was pleasantly surprised.
I loved the title sequence.
Whoever edited that made that, it was hats off to them.
It was amazing.
Like the aesthetics, the vibes, with the VHS tapes.
It really sets the tone.
It really sets the tone.
I love that beginning range.
Yeah, the very beginning.
So
to give context, it's a movie within a movie.
So Cat Me Ozma is the horror series within this movie.
Hin Binder plays a direct director
who's going to revitalize this series.
So she's meeting with Jillian Anderson.
There you go.
They gave the original star.
The movie
a poster of the actual, of the movie in the movie.
I like that.
I thought that was kind of cool they give that away.
And Jillian Anderson plays, she's like, think of her like
the Jamie Lee Curtis playing her character in the original Halloween.
That's Jillian Anderson's character. mixed with, was
it Norma Desmond or some old-timey Hollywood actress that they reference
Sunset Boulevard.
I don't know if you guys ever seen or heard of that movie.
But yeah, so it's a meta commentary about about the movie within the movie.
Hinweiter is going to reinvigorate the series.
And the opening title sequence is like
kind of like a history of it really quick and they show like
all the VHS tapes with all the different versions and it's
kind of like that horror thing of like Co Osma 1, two, three and then Osma in space or whatever.
I'm making that up.
But you get what I'm saying.
I loved it.
I love the opening sequence.
But yeah, Arnold, you're fresh off the presses.
I watched a couple days ago.
What was your perceptions before going into this?
I'm curious, Arnold.
What were you expecting?
Well, real quick, Alex, if you wanted
to sell that poster on eBay, one
recently sold for $100 bucks.
Oh, that one.
Is it the smaller size or the larger size?
Because they have the larger size.
This is the 11 by 17 horror promo poster, SDCC,
2026.
It's.
This is like a more of a promo
smaller size because this is like.
This is 11 by 17.
I don't think this is 11 by 17.
Hold it up again.
I don't think so.
It's probably smaller.
It looked 11 by 17.
Are you sure?
Uh-huh.
Because if it happened 11.
I guess so, yeah.
I, that's 11 by 17, dude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean.
Might as well.
Well, no, in case you want to keep it.
But in case you want to change the $100 bill, you know.
Operators are standing by, right, Arnold?
I mean, we we are live on YouTube.
If anybody wants to throw me an offer
we'll just 1-800 number on the screen.
Let's treat this like, what is that?
QVBC?
QVC, yeah.
How about we have the entire NSIP
crew sign the poster and then we'll sell it for $400.
So we all get $100 each to everybody on this episode.
I'm afraid that would devalue it all.
They're like,
who ruined this poster?
Yeah.
Oh, Who's?
Anyway, yeah.
Arnold.
What was your perception of this movie going into it?
So from from the get-go, yeah,
you kind of think like, oh, is it going to be a slasher?
Because of the way how it starts?
But then you're like, what the, what, what, what is that?
Is that, that's a, an air vent person head with a spear
and wearing, um, uh, like a raincoat.
What is that?
A little bit of a It was like that Batid suit.
Yeah, with Patrick Bateman inspired outfit.
Yeah, I thought it was cool.
I feel like that's going to be a holiday Halloween costume this year.
Definitely.
It's easy to do, too.
Yeah.
I was even thinking about doing that as a Halloween costume because that would
be like just super basic.
Um, and fun.
We'll call you Big De, Adrian.
That'll
Yeah.
That'll be hard to see.
You'll need help to open
house to house getting candy.
Anyways, um
that was my first thought.
And then, but then, I don't know.
It would definitely, then you find out that it's not like really your traditional
kind of slasher movie.
That there's a little bit more layers that,
which which I'm going to lean on you guys to
help for me to digest it, because I just finished watching the movie.
Arnold, let me ask you this to help you digest the movie.
When you look at this character, what does this vent look like to you besides just a v
You had to guess, Arnold.
There's no wrong answers.
Besides just a vent?
Yeah, it looks like, okay, it looks like doodling.
So one of my colleagues
Yeah. during meetings.
They will will just
like squares, but then like, yeah.
Kind of like that, but not like in detail, but.
They'll not pay attention to the meeting and then they'll
ask for the quiff notes. right?
Yeah, exactly.
The Google and cliff notes.
Justin, go ahead.
I was going to say, like my theory of the vent
So you guys saying the movie, was it.
God damn it.
What was it?
What was that last Marvel movie?
Oh, Spider-Man.
Spider-Man.
Brand New Day.
Yes.
You remember, like, we were trying to figure out like what V-Mx was.
Yeah.
So, like, my theory, and I know this is
like multilayered for sure, but my immediate thought of
this was like, oh, okay, it's a metaphor for the ceiling vent.
Yeah. as well.
Like, like the disassociation from the act of six
Ah, I like that theory.
I hadn't thought of that, but I like that theory.
So here's what I was going to say.
So, first of all, yes, this is the second movie we've done on this show this year
that features a sinister vent, Spider-Man being in the first one.
Now this movie.
But you know what else it looks like, in my opinion?
It looks like a camera
With the box.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see.
I saw it going with that.
That was my first thought.
It was like, oh, it's a camera.
It looks like a map box for a film camera, a
film camera that would be used to make a movie like Cami Osma.
Wow.
So that's that was where my head went.
And I'm glad that we're talking about this because there's
a lot of layers to this movie, like you said, Justin, and you notice, though.
If you notice, though, that, like, when
there's that scene where, what's
his name, this character's name, what is it?
A Little De.
Little Dead.
Little Death, yeah..
Little Death.
So the guy who is supposed to be him, like they
killed him, he's being sucked up into some sort of thing
in order for him to like
recab, to return and everything.
And I think I kind of feel like it
was like an air conditioning event.
So it's kind of like him existing behind in this like room.
And what do you notice here in this room?
I don't know.
Yeah, it's all the squares and everything.
The squares.
It's everywhere in this movie I noticed.
Yeah.
So, yeah, so let's get into that.
So like this movie, I feel like
it's a deconstruction of the horror genre.
Right?
And it's it's voyeustic, I guess.
It's like when you see sex scenes in horror movies,
there's this voyeu feel to it because you're watching somebody
in the throats of passion and then they get murdered.
And I is that, I don't know, is that a metaphor for
violence towards women's bodies or just violence towards people in general
What do we think about that?
I think it's not
even like violence towards women.
Because the violence is always going to be a given in a horror movie.
I think it's more of like taking advantage in the sex of women in the industry, especially
how it's portrayed near the last 30 minutes of the film.
Yeah.
It's like, it's like, and I was reading
up on it a little bit and it was, it had something to do with
like the morning after and whatnot.
It's like, what happens when the cameras stop rolling?
Like what happens to these characters that the last girl alive?
Like, what happens to them after?
the camera's role?
So I feel like this is also kind of like a metaphor for
sex and rape as well, especially in the film industry.
A lot of it goes onheard of for years.
And in this case, Billy, Joey, what's her name?
Billy, yeah.
Billy, yeah.
Billy has kind of had to live with this
for many, many years, which is why she's never returned
to making another one of these films.
So it's kind of like she experienced some,
not only a sexual awakening, but sexual trauma as well.
And that's more or less like a metaphor.
At least that's what I got out of it.
I think I think you're on the right path at that one.
things, go ahead.
Go ahead, go ahead.
I was just going to say that I think that Jillian Anderson, first of all, she's brilliant.
I don't know.
I've only ever seen her in some X-Files and I've seen her in the Crown as
Margaret Thatcher, which she was amazing in that, by the way.
She really, really, really exemplifies everything you just said, Justin.
Yeah, yeah.
One of the things that I I got from it was
these are people who were.
So you mentioned
the sexual sexual awakening, but it's also this sort of queer awakening.
Yes.
Because if you notice in the scene where
young Jillian Anderson, Young Billy is having
sex and whether it's like a,
what do you call it, like a real thing or like
on for the movie, she had to envision herself somehow
trying to enjoy this,
but she was not enjoying it because it was for the film, right?
But then she somehow connected
to the character of Little Death
and saw it through the eyes of Little Death, what was going on.
And there was kind of this thing where she was, that's when she was able to like,
you know, she talks about how she was able to come after the death.
And so it wasn't
peering into the eyes of a guy that she was
supposed to be pretending to have sex with.
She was able to like, understand
it and like be awakened because she was actually like, she
saw not in an
narcissistic way, but saw a female.
That's how I interpreted it.
And so I feel like that is what is happening.
But there is also this sort of like, like
before that, I think she knew she was queer.
but she was hiding it.
And that's another theme in this film, too, that this is queer shame.
Yeah.
People hide the fact that they are
queer and they're because of like the social norm.
You don't want to be that, you know, and that's like the whole thing too, where she was
struggling to like pretend to have sex with a man in the scene.
It was like this sort of like..
It's this is a very, very complex film
in the sense that this is, you know, you, kind
of in a way, like, like a Lynchian film, David Lynch film.
Yes, I was thinking that.
But it also has like, like very Gregor Rocky
feeling too.
Yes.
So it's very, like, it's like you, somebody took the
director, took this, those two directors and just like matched together and
like made this like, like really, like,
very thought-provoking film, you know?
Maybe that's why I don't want to understand it.
I need help.
I'm sorry.
There's medication for them.
No, I'm just.
I'm getting there.
I'm getting there.
These are awesome thoughts that I hadn't really..
You have a queer awakening.
I bet you had one, Arnold.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, you experiment didn't No.
I mean.
Oh, Justin, you get your hand raised?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's my job.
No, no.
I just had two like quick things.
So
I think this is the second or third movie that describedbed
little death as an orgasm.
So little death, like the French term letit mort.
Yeah.
I don't if I feel like I botched that, but.
I think you got it right, actually.
Yeah, this is like the second or third time in
film that I feel like I've like actually was
like, oh, I actually understand this reference for like, for once in my life.
I'm like, oh oh, cool.
Like, I understand that this means orgasm because they talk
about like Little Death a lot in this and Little Death represents orgasm
Yeah.
And the other thing, I kind of like put two and two together.
Now, this might be the most far-fetched theory of all time.
Let's hear it.
I love it.
But, okay, going back to the vent thing and then and then that
scene where sexual or queero awakening, right?
I think about it now.
And in order for them to get that
angle, and this is spicing the earth theory too, Adrian, in
order for them to get that angle for that film
would have been the vent.
Like, like the camera angle is the vent.
Yeah.
And I I feel like merging all of our ideas together.
I just kind of had like an a-ha moment.
I'm like, wow, you know, Adrian's a little bit right too.
You know, we're all right in our own way.
Every nerv.
I could be right.
No, that's great.
And so let me ask you this, Justin, as
a horror, as a resident horror guy on
this show, does the meta
angle for this movie work for you?
Absolutely.
Nice.
It definitely works.
In the sense that
it needs to be meta
in order to explain itself.
Yeah.
Otherwise, if this was just a true form., psychological
horror movie, I don't think it would have worked as well.
But because it had to be a little bit meta, I
think because it was built that way, it was written in that way and
it was shot in that way, I think it made it like its own unique
take on, uh, not even the horror genre, but just
like the psychological and LGBTQ,
uh, you know, subgenre of horror.
And I feel like I feel like this is a horror movie
in some sense to people
that have experienced things like this.
Right.
And psychological is probably the most prevalent of it all
because of the them and experiences.
I think this movie also reminds me a
lot of Ari Astster's Bo's
Afraid, in a way..
Because there's that movie becomes like...
a dream, a horror nightmare, dream sequence
for a good portion of that movie.
Like, it takes forever to get through that dream sequence in Bo's Afraid.
I would say sitting there thinking like, man, when's this movie going to get back to the point?
Not going to lie.
I loved Bo's Afraid, but that dream sequence,
although it was beautiful and very artistic and detailed, it took forever.
But I feel like this was just the right kiss of information
that we needed for it to be madea and touching
on those themes that it made this a very interesting watch for me.
I will say
and this is my opinion, man,
the first half hour to 45 minutes, I
was really trying to get into it and I was
having a hard time trying to understand where the direction was going for this.
But once it really started kicking into gear, I was like,
okay, all right, I'm all in it.
This is a really great watch, especially the last 30 minutes
I always like it when I mostly
go into a movie Blind and it ends up surprisingrising me with what it ends up being.
I don't know if that makes sense. verbally?
Did I just even grammatically say that right?
But like with this movie, like I was expecting a typical slasher movie.
Like, that's what I thought I was getting myself in into.
I thought, oh, Jillian Anderson's going to be end up being the big bad
And, and, and, and what's her name?
Hannah Einb.
I can't say her name right.
She's going to be the one that's running away because I saw some of the shots of
her in her underw running through the woods and I assumed that's going to be Jillian Anderson chasing
her and it's going to be that kind of a slashing movie.
But no, it ended up being something pretty much completely different than that.
And I was surp surprised by that.
But on that note, there is a sequence
in this movie, which was fantastic, which I think you know what I'm getting at.
The POV of Vent Man going around the camp,
cartoonishly slashing and killing everybody in his path, which is in the movie within the movie
And the way that was shot was great.
The music was great.
Alex, I feel like you have something to say about that.
Let's hear it, because I want to get into this.
So this kind of connects to what Justin was saying
the whole like meta thing.
So the first off, let me just say this.
One theory I have is that she
Hannah, what her character's name?
Hannah plays the character named Chris.
Chris, yeah.
So Chris,
She dies at the very beginning.
Because if you notice, you see that her car, she's
driving, and then she's like, it's telling the directions are telling me
to take go this way and there's no road.
And like my theory is that she crashes and dies.
And so, like, this is her entering
into the world of, of cap mma.
And that's why she's able to like see all this stuff
and like see because the, you know, they talk about how Billy
in the very beginning of the, like, like she disappears.
Right.
You know, from the world of acting and nobody really knows where it's going on.
And then somehow she, Chris finds
out who, where Billy is, right?
And I was like, she goes off to Canada
and then, so on top of that, like she,
she you go through all that and he go go to the end, right?
When she is, you're talking about the slashing sequence
and going through the camp and like everybody's like heads
are like they just like Lil De is just like going at
it and this, just massacring everybody
Those characters that like, um,
that Little Death is killing are everybody
in, uh, Chris's life that
kind of were like
hinging on that whole like queer shame thing, right?
You look at her partner,
quote unquote, who they're in this polyamorous relationship quotequote.
With Thor.
Yeah, getting back to the whole like sequence she like Little Death kills
like, Chris's girlfriend
and then her polyamorous boyfriend.
And her agents. agents and managers and all the people.
And these are people who are like, cause her to feel
ashamed of like herself
in very different ways.
Like she's not, she doesn't feel good good enough for this like doesn't adequate.
And that's kind of this thing.
Horror can be this kind of fantasy for people.
And then they Lil De comes and
like kills, quote unquote, both Billy and Chris in that vet.
But then they the next morning they are awake and they're fine.
And like, that's and that's another thing I
found I realized about this movie.
It's a love story.
It truly is.
Yeah.
And it's like, it's a It's a way.
Yeah, it's all a weird, crazy way.
And it's beautiful.
I think, I think the way it's told the story, it's
like, it's sort of like, if you think about the whole idea
of like Billy being alone
all these years..
I'm trying to get Arnold to dance.
No, I'm just kidding.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Like, Billy, all these years has been alone.
And then
then you get Chris, who's like, comes along and
then they, you know, they, they seem like a perfect match
and they like get together and they get to know each other and they like,
they're vulnerable with each other and Billy seems to be
very empathetic and compassionate and like understanding of what
her traumas are and like wants to help her through all this.
And it's just it'ss this beautiful thing and it's like,
it seems kind of scary and kind of weird but then like
she they go through it together.
And
you know, and that's, I think that's one of the things too that I realize with
this, and I'm kind of getting choked up about it because it's like such a beautiful theme is
that, you know, if you, when you find a true partner, they don't
allow you to go through these things alone.
They like support you.
They will be critical of you as a partner should
but they don't, they don't do it.
They do it in a compassionate way.
It's like, well, this is what it is.
And but they're there to support you and you
look at that the ending and it's like such a, it's like almost hang on.
Like you're you're in for a crazy thing that that might happen
and it's, you're you're basically, they're helping you lead you through death
and then you come out the other side and you're like, and it's,
it's it's such a beautiful moment at the end, you know, because I're like you
see them just like calmly going at the very end.
You see them calmly like living life and buying candy at
the at the convenience store.
And it's it's so beautiful.
Forget your love language.
I want to to know what kind of candy and snacks you want to bring
from the store.
Yeah.
Sour Patch Kids and red vines.
Justin, you had something?
Who doesn't have really good sex and then go get get some snacks afterwards?
I know I do.
I know I got some Del Taco on my mind right after a good old leg.
Anyway.
No, I completely agree with Alexander
Alex actually made me feel a little
bit differently about how I portrayed the movie as well.
I will say, though, I love the theory.
I actually have a separate theory.
Instead of Chris
dying in that car accident, I think the
reason why the movie progresses and changes
as it does, especially environmentally, is
because she is now, and I think a lot
of authors and actors do this
because she is trying to make a movie.
I feel like she's trying to submerge
herself into the story as she's approaching.
Like this is something that she's sought after for years,
even as a child when she was watching watching these movies.
I feel like
the deeper in she goes, the more of
a role she's playing.
I think she's playing a role instead
of dying because as it progresses,
she is now slowly becoming a character of
these horror movies in this way.
But that is just simply my theory on it.
So it's a good one.
So Chris was in a car accident?
It's a theory that that.
That's my's my theory.
It's an interesting theory, too.
Because why did they survive
at the very end when when Little Death stabs them both as they're having sex?
Yeah, the next day they do.
We don't see that.
It's assumed.
That's true.
That's true.
But the blood does gush out of your mouth. could have been an orgasm.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I think it awakened something in me, my.
We don't see Little Death actually stabbing
them because it's assumed that we're like, oh, okay, Little Death is piercing the both of them.
But we don't see the act of it ever.
Yeah.
We don't even hear it really.
Like, we'll hear like little sly.
You do see him pulling the.
But he's pulling out at the end.
That's true, Arnold.
He is pulling out.
Yeah.
Yeah, actually, he does.
He's pulling out, huh?
He's plug.
It was like, he almost like pulled out, but then like,
almost like a a, I don't know, like it was like a plunger or something. like a
little stuck and he was like face.
And then he finally pulled out and then...
I think it was a more comedic effect, though.
Yeah.
Also.
I thought that was hilarious.
We shouldn't be misidentifying Little Death either.
They are they that..
Oh, that's true.
Little Death.
That's true.
That's true.
Very true.
So I want to say really quick on that note,
the character of Little Death, the character within the movie within the movie,
Like Jason Voorhees, he's in a camp.
He's bullied.
And this movie, in the movie within the movie, he's bullied because he's
a he's transgender..
They're transgender, I should say.
Sorry.
And that's what is like his,
that's what is their villain origin story
And just like in the 13th, is it Friday the 13th?
No, yeah, Friday 13th.
They end up underwater and they sort of live underwater.
And that leads to the whole thing in the meta part of the
movie where hena and Binder's character, Chris is saying to the producers is
like, oh, the movie lives in the ice lake.
It lives down there.
And that's where it'ses up.
That's why they get the multiple sequels.
Yeah.
The multiple se.
And we see that from Little Death's perspective.
He has this this wall of flesh
that spits out these VHS tapes to this fleshy
mouth opening thing, and it's it's very gnarly, but it's very cool and it's very weird.
This movie is this whole movie is weird.
This whole movie fucking weird.
But Adrian, what do you think that represents?
So I didn't know, and I was reading about it, and somebody said that
the Little Death is having
the, where he lives, that chamber is like generating these movies for for them.
And the movie that that gets spit out at the end is
what we just saw with Chris and with Billy
So like that tape that comes out at the end is the movie that we just watched.
So it's like a movie in a movie and then outside
of a movie, if that makes sense at all.
And how about this?
How about this?
When the VHS comes out We have to go deeper
When the VHS comes out of that slimy hole.
Yeah, they zoom in on the VHS and it's clean.
It's It's not wet or anything.
It's's pure.
Like a baby.
But except the baby, they come out like a little bloody and stuff.
But this is the movie.
This is the VHS that comes out.
It's clean
Yeah.
Yeah..
What does that represent to you, Arnold?
What does that represent to you?
Birth?
Yeah.
Rebcence?
Innocence?
Oh, interesting.
That's actually kind of a good point, Arnold.
The innocence of it all?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that actually was something that I thought of.
I was like, oh, why is that VHS not like wet or anything?
I mean, there was like
stuff dripping from that hole.
Well, here's the thing though, too.
Like to on dry..
Let's talk about's talk about like the innocence that you brought up.
There's innocence in nostalgia,
the purity of this memory.
Like
Chris has these wonderful,
like, beautiful memories of watching Camp Maesma,
you know, as a kid. see, there's a scene where you see the young Chris
watching Kat Mama and she's
just like in awe of the characters in there,
of the story, the mythology and she's just like so drawn in.
And I think there's there's something pure and innocent about that, especially like
using that kind of, like whatever art
you you choose to like escape from your traumas,
like, it's usually something so like attached to
like what makes you happy, right?
Like the experiences, like the times that you experience trauma,
look at your own life and like what, what we're what were the things that were making you feel comfort
during that time?
And that's the thing.
You look at like aiashma for Chris and like Vo's
movies were like something comforting to.
I'm glad you bring that up.
Like, I wanted to ask you, Justin, like, what was your, did you
have a comfort horror movie growing up as a kid or
or anything along those lines when you were growinging up?
A couple of them.
Yeah.
Mostly because they were like the first horror movies I've ever seen.
I wasn't allowed to watch a lot of stuff growing up.
Yeah. like outside of Christian programming.
They've
Which is, by the way?
Well, yeah.
In a sense.
I mean, it gives comfort to other people, but I feel
like the stories of the Bible are a little bit more creative than some horror movies out there.
But anyway, besides that fact,
Nightmare on Elm
Street was probably one of the first horror movies I was able to lay my eyes on.
And I watched that at a neighbor's house for the very first time.
My mom had no idea.
I was spending the night.
And it was literally like my friend's house was literally right next door.
Like we were living in an apartment complex and we shared the same like second story platform.
So I just walked my little ass over
to the next door and we we hung out.
It was cool, man.
Like that was the first time I saw it.
And I was like, man, I fucking love this shit, dude.
And I'm not supposed to be watching it.
And it may be even more interesting.
I feel like, and it just kind of put Camp Measma back in it.
It's like, I feel like that is kind of sort of the theing of Camp Me Asma as well as like
like that was my first introduction to horror while the
not to compare it to sexual awakening or anything like that,
but it's similar in my in my world.
It plays in a similar role where it's like, oh, I'm doing something that
s taboo is taboo or what's taboo in my family?
But I would say my comfort movies,
Nightmare Bef sorry, Nightmare on Elm Street.
Oh my God.
And the original Dawn of the Dead.
I watched that all the time.
Nice.
Yeah.
And that's why I bring it up because Chris's comfort movie in this movie or
was the Cat Me Oszma series.
Like she grew up with, watching these
movies and she plays a quizeer person.
And I'm bringing this up as a white passing
heterosexual,panic gentleman, but I've read that like for queer people,
horror is a very popular genre because they see themselves
thematically in the stories, right?
That they're a marginalized group of people who see
themselves in like the characters that are being chased down by
a killer with a knife or what have you.
So I thought that was an interesting theme with this movie
and how that sort of like is part of Chris's character, if that makes sense.
but yeah, that's Cat Me Ozma.
I mean, there's obviously more to talk talk about.
I wanted to go over.
I took some screenshots.
I really liked the way this movie was shot.
Alex, you had mentioned it was lynching and I 100% agree with you on that.
And I wanted to share a couple of choice screenshots.
Can I mention something as you bring these up?
Absolutely.
Go ahead.
So I watched the VS
version and it was very washed out, which was a cool effect.
Yeah.
And and I enjoyed the film regardless of like it.
But it kind of
I wish I'd seen the original version first.
The movie version?
Yeah, well, yeah.
I mean, in the theaters or on movie whatever, just
so I could see it in like the best quality because
as I was watching it, it just felt very like,
I feel like I was missing parts of the
movie because of how washed out it it looked.
And it almost felt like they did it.
they took the VHS and then they made
it even more washed out looking with how they were projecting it.
They probably adjusted the colors and stuff like that from whatever projector they were using.
I didn't know that they had a VHS version of this.
That's actually pretty cool.
However, the thing is, especially if you're watching it on a modern TV
it's washed out almost completely.
I have I struggle watching some VHS movies with my VHS player.
Not that it's not compatible or anything, but
it's like the modern day TVs, especially
LEDs and flat screens, they're not meant for VHS.
No, but
This was actually, you used the projector to do it.
So they really like dialed it in to
make it even more washed out looking.
So.
Did they do it in a box format?
Yeah, they did.
It was like true It was like true pan and scan.
Yeah.
When they put it on VHS.
And I believe you can buy it on VHS or they're doing pre-orders right now.
Yeah.
Can I bring up something, you probably are
going to mention this, but the backgrounds,
especially for those bright colorful
big scenes that they're walking through, those are all hand painted.
Yeah, they're map paintings.
That's what I That's crazy.
I was like, wow.
Look how beautiful that that looks.
It just reminds me of like old, like Paramount style.
Oh, like the VHS version.
It was just like, it looked cool.
It just looked really cool, but
the way it looked, I couldn't tell that they were matt painting.
So that's a really cool fact.
Yeah.
This looks straight out of like a Wes Anderson movie if Wes Anderson actually did a whole movie.
But that is my lined up, though.
Sorry.
What's that?
It's not I was going to say a Thomas contained.
If it was that, the mountain would be lined up
with the lining of the door and the character would be in the middle of the door, so they failed.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Definitely Anderson.
But, oh, I like that this guy show.
Speaking of David Lynch, remember this gentleman from from
fucking Mulhand Drive?
No, I don't remember.
Alex, you surely you remember this guy from Moholland Drive?
Yeah.
He's the weird guy in the shop.
What does he tell her?
He says something to her like you're going to
I honestly, I remember the guy, but I need to watch the movie again.
It's been so long.
And then and then she's drawing what
they're watching Catme together in the screening room and then she and Jillian Anderson's character, Billy's drawing
the Vent Man shape.
I thought that was pretty cool.
And then you see it all over her house.
I mean, it's..
It's everywhere.
Patrick Fisler was his name from Maholland Drive.
Yeah.
I don't know why I took that..
Oh, I took the screenshot because I thought it was funny that they were eating KFC
in the very beginning when when Chris gets to her house.
Oh, you like so hungry?
Yeah, I know.
Oh, this one.
Very ASMR heavy, especially in this scene
you can hear them crunching every bite and then the dipping sauce.
And what was the thing where there was like music?
It was kind of sultry music playing underneath all the shots of
them dipping the food and the dipping sauce.
I thought that was.. to talk about the music,
the music was stellar in this one.
Yeah, I agree.
I love that we used
what is that?
A long December.
Counting C is a long December for the the the scene
where he's killing Little is killing everybody.
Yeah.
And it's that's another the song that's like about like
kind of like nostalgia and kind of like, um
loneliness as well. and like, and it almost, it
feels like very fitting
to like like that slasher scene to be quite honest.
I'm glad you.
So yeah, so what, why do you think the violence in
the slasher scenes are so cartoonishly
cartoonish?
Like, what does, does that represent like something
to do with nostalgia, you think?
just the way that blood guiders out of their bodies?
Blood shooting out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's it's just like, like typical,
like, but in a hyperbolic way
of doing a slasher film.
They's that's like, they show that scene at the very beginning of
the movie where Lil De is killing those two couples and
you see that first one little kills
chops off the guy's head or something like that.
Yeah.
And you just like see this like gusher of just blood.
Geyser blood.
Just a geyser.
And then it's I think that's probably part of like
the lore of Little Death and miasma.
And so it just, like, to
be representative of like, this is taking place in a film in
the new version of Camp Aiasma.
The killings are the same way.
They're like very hyperbolically, like, like absurd.
And they
it just, if you if you were to like put out a
cat Myasme film, like a new sequel as like what Chris was
trying to do, I think that's what she would have done.
She would have stayed true to the film and I think that's
what why it was just like so cartoonish in a way.
No, I agree.
And what do we think about
that infamous Zoom call that Chris has with the producers?
First of all, let me just say, I love that everybody
in that Zoom call, I swear they must have shadowed somebody
in corporate because they got that annoying corporate jargon vibe down Pat, man.
They were so
I was getting Vietnam flashbacks to teams being in this old job I used to.
I was like, oh my God, they're talking that corporate speaking.
And then what the old guy?
He's like, oh, I'm just joking around.
Anyway, let's hear the idea.
I'm like, oh, Godnor hate that guy.
Yeah..
What do we think about that whole scene?
I loved it.
I actually, like, I thought what I thought was funny was before that scene
when they went to the diner, when she went to the diner, she's
like, do you guys have any Wi-Fi?
And they did the whole restaurant?
I just thought busting up laughing because they're like they're in the backwoods.
What Wi-Fi?
That was like very like David Lynch coed, I thought.
That was like exactly what you had seen in David David Lynch movie.
They just laugh at her.
No dialogue.
That's it.
They just laugh at her.
Yeah, but that Zoom call, like I've never been previous to
like any Zoom calls of that kind of corporate jargon nature.
like I hate Zoom with a potion.
The way she said, okay, let's circle back
to your idea and let's let's recalibrate.
She didn't actually say that, but that'ss basically what it was.
It's gross.
That was awful.
It's gross.
That's the real horror to me, is those fucking corporate
Zoom calls or Te calls or whatever you want to call it.
And I think that's that's kind of like perfect for
what this movie's about, right?
It's kind of showing the true horror of
the real world versus like her escapism of
like Cat miasma, I think the thing that gave her comfort, right?
You go through your day-to-day life and it just seems, everything
just seems so unsettling or just like really monotonous.
Like, even, like when she was driving up to.
Anonymous is the perfect word.
Um,
like driving up to Camp miasma or what, what was
supposed to be miasma in the filmines.
It's like, was it Camp Tivoli or something that?
Tivoli was the campo..
Yeah.
So when she goes to that convenience start and she walks in,
and this is another like thing that I think was kind of
like a beautiful thing, like, like the
juxtedition of like the very beginning and to the very end.
The gas station attendant, she like compliments Chris's
hair and she's like, or she compliments something about,
I can't remember what she complimented Chris about, but she complimented.
I think it was her hair.
Chris's something
And she's like, thank you like, but she kind of like blows it off.
And then you see the the
attendant she's just like kind of like has this longing sigh.
She's like, and then it's almost as if like she she was like found her
like pretty and like she was interested in her.
But then at the very end, when you see that like,
um Gillian Anderson and Chris go go
into the gas station and they buy all the stuff and she's ringing her up, right?
Ringing them both up.
And then
a gas station attendant compliments Julian Anderson.
And she's like, your hair is really beautiful.
And then she's like, thank you. like she said and sends another compliment back to her.
Isn't that at the very end end after they're covered in blood?
Yeah, that's at the very end too.
And so like that's kind of like juxtosition.
I love that.
So like, it's almost like, like
like showing, like giving value to like the whole,
like, you are seen, you know, like,
I see that you're queer and like, thank you for noticing that.
And I I know, you know, and I think that's just kind of like visibility, that sort of thing.
Right?
And maybe I'm like,
Right?
just seeing things, but I think that's, I
feel like that's probably what, like, just little nods like that, I think it was really cool.
I think this is one of those movies where you can safely say that like, whatever theory
you have is the correct one just because like there's a lot of layers
to it and there's a lot of themes to it.
It's What is he saying, Trick?
It's like an onion?
Is that what he tells a?
Yeah, and there's layers.
There's layers.
Just thinking you that something?
By the way, that's the most basic...
Anyway, I' I'll Hey, that's deep.
That's deep from Shrek.
My Shrek reference are deep deep.
Going back to Campivoli,
I actually pulled this up because I actually kind of wanted to know.
The cool thing is, is that
it is an Italian town renowned for
its grand pleasure villas and waterfalls, and it's
called Villa de Est. I hope I pronounce that correctly.
But it became synonymous for like
amusement parks, apparently.
And also, on top of that, Tivoli can
be used as an anagram, because if it reverse it, it
says, uh, I love it.
Interesting.
I guess during the production
of this movie to have like a fill-in title or placeholder or whatever
the original title of this movie was
called A Bad Day of Camp Tivoli, as well..
Oh, interesting.
Yeah..
Which I thought was pretty interesting because it kind of shows
like, and it happens in, in
life as well, when we're going to watch movies we're like, oh, where's this place at?
Where was this film at?
I always like knowing where certain things are filmed because I'm like oh, it looks familiar.
It looks like it's somewhere I've been or somewhere I've seen in the history books or whatever.
I kind of like how I want to go to the Shire,
to, was it New Zealand to go check out the Shire.
So I do research on that.
But this was kind of, I feel like the Camp Tivia
Camp Masma was kind of a play on that, where it's like the fictional
the fictional storytelling of Camp Mima
versus the reality of Camp Tivoli where
it was felt and how Billy kind
of goes and becomes a recluse, in Camp Tivoli.
I'm not entirely too sure like
maybe just like escapism or living
in the heyday or or maybe you guys can interpret that that differently,
but it just seems like a familiarity
because that's where she kind of becomes reckless and she escapes too.
You're talking about why Billy would choose to live there.
Yeah
Yeah.
I kind of thought that was that just had to do with like facing your fears.
I don't know if that's kind of a trite or basic way to.
Well, facing your fears for the rest of her life, though?
Like, she lives there.
It's like that thing where like, if you're afraid of spiders, go kill spiders and then you't be afraid of them.
Immersion.
Immersion.
Immersion.
There you go.
Another good word.
Or how Batman is a afraid of bats.
Yeah, and that's his whole symbol.
That's his whole
thing, right?
And I thought that for Billy, that was her whole part
of her arc was like, living there,
accepting it and dealing with the trauma and then I almost call her Ava.
Chris gets there and then she helps her kind of go through her own
metamorphosis, if you will, her sexual awakening and all that, right?
I think like it's, metamorphosis was like just helping her work through her traumas.
Right, right.
That's kind of what I was getting at, basically.
And that's kind of what they do.
Right?
Like, because Billy doesn't
have like a super crazy arc.
She's mostly there to help Chris is the character of Chris.
What do you call it?
Reconcile with her own stuff.
She's theia Michael J.
Fox from Back to the Future.
Speaking of b That's a good analy.
Did you know today, October 21st, as we're recording, today
it is national Back to the Future Day.
It is.
Shout out to our Back to the Future episode episode.
October 21st, 2015.
Yeah.
Whatever happened?
We were supposed to get flying cars.
What the hell happened?
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Oh, wait, we did get a flying car.
Things too well.
No, we got cars that are falling with style.
You
Thanks to Elon Musk?
Yeah, he's's got the flying car now, yeah.
No, thank you.
Are you not going to buy one?
Speaking of going back to Tvola,, I
feel like Mi had a missed opportunity during Comic
Con that they could have probably had like a little collaboration
or maybe some sort of a way
to promote the movie to promote this movie at
Tivoli Bar in San Diego, San Diego's oldest bar.
Well, we didn't.
We didn't go to the Wey Bar.
I did.
Maybe they did.
Are you saying they should to Bar.
Maybe it was not the right time, though.
Not the right time, though.
They had a Comic- Con called.
What are they called?
What?
What are they called?
side of Comic-Con, all the different events?
Oh, the activ activations.
You're saying they should have had it.
You're right, Arnold.
They should have had an activation.
Yeah, we were Actually, Justin, it was before we
met up with you, and Jess, we were at Tavoli Bar.
They had some pretty good music.
They were playing some too short up in there
But it was a little hot.
It was a little steamy in there.
And so.. we're chilling outside with John Blade like this movie.
Well, that's what you get for going into like San Diego's oldest bar.
Yeah.
San Diego doesn't And San Diego doesn't have any air conditioning at the old building.
Yeah, it was pretty cool, though.
I got to give him a shout out for
playing some Too Short, one of my favorite rappers.
Shout out to that piano bar we went to.
Oh, that was.
That was cool.
I wish I was cool with you guys.
The Shout, yeah.
The Shout.
You make one a shout?
No. have aoli village here in Las Vegas.
It's like a part.
And we have a Timboli brewing here in Denver just to.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
Oh, my God, I love it.
I just realized that's only a Coca-Cola
implemented in the movie somehow, some way.
This podcast will be a meta.
We should do a podcast about this podcast and then do another podcast.
I want to get Coke to sponsor us so we can have the Coke symbol right in the middle of all of our faces.
You mean the Koch brothers?
The Cohen brothers.
No, I'm kidding.
That's a reference to last week's episode.
But anyways, gentlemen, that is the movie.
I feel like, I mean, we could like talk about it for more hours,
but it was an interesting discussion nonetheless.
How are you feeling about final thoughts?
We to going to start going through our final thoughts unless we have more to dive into?
What do we think so far?
I want to spend the next few seconds just critiquing Arnold's hip swules.
He's getting more into it ever since you gave him that note last week.
Yeah, yeah.
You got to throw the Alex Wright.
Throw on the Alex Wright.
There you go.
More Alex Wright.
There you go.
I like all.
He always has his blue podcasting shorts, Arnold.
He always got those blue podcasting.
I bet they're stinky.
Every time I see him in the blue shorts.
I have three pairs of blue shorts.
Oh, yeah.
And you never wash them.
They're all under the table.
Yeah, these are from San Diego Comicon 99.
200, 2001.
All right, yeah, but let's do final thoughts.
Let's go around the room.
Alex, let's start with you tonight.
What are your final thoughts on Cat Me Osma
I really love this movie.
At first when I watched it, like I think
I it was probably I felt the same way about like about
it, how Justin felt like the first like 30, 45 minutes.
I was But although I will say I watched it right after
work and I was like knocking out.
I was tired
I just had some chicken tenders and then
at H Dad's, because H Dad's was right around the corner from the place that
I went to to watch the movie.
And I was just
like, just really feeling it, like just super sleepy.
But then it started picking up and I, it
was really, to me, I started getting into the whole
like kind of cryptic nature of the film.
And I knew that I once we got past
the first 30, 45 minutes
I was like, okay, this is going to be one of those films that I know I'm
going to love and I'm going to want to watch it like multiple times just
to kind of like get new things out of it.
And I'm I'm I'm in love with this film.
I think this, there's so much
so many beautiful messages going on, the themes that are
going on that is like the whole like, on the surface of like nostalgia.
And then like the whole like idea of queer
awakening and queer shame, those of things, those things.
You can talk about like how
Billy, like some
of her dramas, like led to why she
probably needed to do this, like to venture
into like meeting Chris, needing to go meet
Billy and like do this sort of thing and it kind of, I feel like it was one of those things where
uh, it was just a very personal thing for Chris
to do this to go make this movie.
And they even talked about like how like
her character had only a few films under her belt, right?
And she then they gave this new director
the reins to make the
reboot per se of Cat miasma.
And so, like, there must have
been something very personal that like really
connected with her and made the pitch
for allowing them to let
her make the reboot to be like that
personal and like, so it's it's it and
it almost feel like even me like talking about this, it feels so super meta.
I was like I'm even as I'm talking about it
I don't know if I'm talking about the film or if I'm talking
about like the film film or if I'm talking about us talking about the film.
Maybe that's the point.
You know?
And it makes you feel like kind of crazy as I'm trying to talk about this film.
But that's what's so beautiful about
it too, is like it, the things
getting meta can make things, it kind of questions your own reality
And I think that's that's kind of important because like we
have to, in order to survive in this world, we have to question like
our reality of like what is being fed to us.
And I think that's one of a theme in this film as well
Um, Again, getting
into the music, I really love the music.
There's a lyric in Night Swimming, the song that plays at the very title.
Like, they bring up the idea of reckless abandon.
Michael Steipe.
He's a very prolific, like
musician from the 80s and 90s with the band, R.E.M.
And his lyric are so like, you know, beautiful the way he puts things.
And just the idea of in that song,
you know, when you are young, you do things with recckless abandon
like going back to Justin's story about him like
sneaking over to watch, you know what was the movie?
It was Nightmare on Elms Friday the 13th.
Cruise.
Elm Street..
He was you would sneak over there.
Yeah, Nightmare on Elm Street.
And it was reckless abandoned if you think about it.
You didn't tell your mom that you were going to sleep over there.
And you do this, but you were telling this story,
that story is like this really beautiful thing.
Because it's like, it's etched in your memory as this very special moment.
And I think that we all have those things where
like, like, I
have, my memories of like when we' stay over at like our
Lest's house, or grandmother's house, and watching like staying up late and watching like
all these movies and like her allowing us to stay up late.'s that was so special to me.
It felt like we were just doing this bad thing that
our mom wouldn't let us stay up, watch movies and some of even
some of the movies that we were watching, it was like, we would watch USA Up All Night
And then we were watching, I remember us watching Toxic Avenger
for the first time on at our L lasts house.
And like, I have memories of that.
And it was just so like weird that my, my
our Lola, our grandmother, would let us do that, but
she like like cared that we like
for us to be to be just be kids.
But for me, I gave it a four out of five
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I did want to give a shout out to the popcorn
reef once again and to 10th Avenue Arts
Center in downtown San Diego for doing such
a cool job with like putting on this showing screening.
And I wanted to let everybody know at the 10th
Avenue Artts Center will probably you're probably putting out this one out next week?
Yes.
So this one, this weekend and
then next weekend, they are doing they're doing a live
like theater playing play of Evil Dead 2.
Oh, nice.
I want to go see it because like there's actually like, there's,
they have like blood slattering on the audience.
There's like a splash zone and everything.
And so it's like, it's it's it's one of those things that
like you could only do at like that kind of theater.
So
like, give them, uh, show them some love, go,
watch movie theater movies whenever popcorn Reef does
stuff there and also go check out I'm going to try to buy tickets to that.
I'll want to see this Evil Dead 2 be
live, this theater production.
I think it should be fun.
Nice.
Thank you, Alex.
Justin.
What are your final thoughts?
I love the 80s style filmmaking.
I love that they use a 35mmimeter to give it that rough,
kind of grainy cut to the film.
I love the hand-painted backgrounds in certain scenes.
I think that added to
the nostalgia factor of the 80s seaming as well.
I think the themes that they touched on.
At first, like going into this podcast episode
in particular, I was kind of afraid
of touching on the themes because I'm
like, it's definitely very sensitive and not
in a bad way, but more of like, I'm just
a cis white male that shouldn't be
touching on these things.
But I also feel like this is a lesson
learned for other people as well.
It doesn't necessarily have to be like,
oh, I have to be a poly queer
or any of that.
But I can relate to it in a different sense.
And how most movies kind of shoehorn that
queer, not lifestyle, but that queer them into films.
Sometimes it doesn't, I feel like
most of the time it does an injustice to those
groups of people, only because it's
only touching on it just because like, oh, this is what's
going to make us money while camp miasma in particular.
I feel like really touches on the themes
where you can actually kind of relate no matter what
kind of sexual reality you have or what kind of life you have.
I feel like it can relate to kind of everybody.
And I really appreciate this movie for
touching on those subjects that I see.
And it's not this, it
feels like it's written naturally as
opposed to other films where they're just shoehorninging it in for either shock value
or just to have representation.
But I feel like this movie was built from the get-go
with this intent.
And for that, I like really appreciated where the direction that they went with the writing
It made me feel like I can relate to and
not be such an outsider that I can't touch or relate to the sub subject matter.
I feel like we all experience this in a
different way, but I feel like I could still relate to these experiences
nonetheless, and you'll applaud this movie for
doing that so I can understand not only like
my own internal feelings, but also other
a reflection of what other others are experiencing as well.
And I feel like I can feel that with this movie too.
I really love the writing an art direction.
I feel like some of the lighting,
although it can be somewhat washed out,
I feel like it does give that David Lynch kind of style to it.
It's just as weird
I feel like if David Lynch were to actually direct
this movie, it probably would have been even way more out there.
I think his name could have been attached to this project.
And it shows because some of the characters are characters
in David Lynch works as well.
like the Shopkeep in particular.
He's very, he was in the Helpmahand Drive.
And I think I think that's what a very nice nod
to David Lynch's work. and appreciation, almost.
This is a
how do I say, a compliment
or Yeah, I would say just a compliment to David Lynch's work at court.
I don't know how else to say that.
But anyway,
Camp Me Asma.
Wonderful film.
Definitely rewatchable so you can kind of pick
all the little things that are going on as well.
But I think ultimately I'm going to give it a four out of five on Letterbox.
Really, really well done, Phil
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Very well said.
Defin Definitely appreciate the David Lynch and the Gregor Rocky
vibes of this movie.
Loved all that.
So, Arnold, let's go to you next.
Let's get your quick final thoughts.
What comes after that, Michael?
friend on Cat miasma.
Oh, what do I have to tell you about that?
I'm not too much of a fan of like David Lynchian,
uh, Lynch type of, uh, style movies.
I mean, I do like movies that make you think.
But this one in particular, for me, it didn't.
I don't know.
It just didn't hit me right.
But, but as we get into the Z rating,
maybe it might explain a little bit more,
but even then I I gave it several shots.
I don't know.
For me, it was kind of hard
to really get into, especially
at at the beginning, the the first half or so.
What it made me think of, well,
I was going to give an analogy, but nah, I'll be like a little bit too much.
I really like the scene of the
the KFC.
It really made me hungry, especiallyecially the second.
For whatever reason, I was like, oh, I remember this.
And then like the second time time that I saw it, I was like, I really wanted fried chicken even more.
gosh.
Sorry, this is a very shallow kind of review.
I Honestly, I tried.
Maybe I got to try harder.
Maybe I got to try and perhaps in the morning.
I got a question for you, Arnold.
Uh-huh.
Are you a bone in or bone out chicken guy?
Bone in.
Breast or thigh.
Oof.
I love.
I mean, you know me.
But oddly, I like the breasts.
Do you like Do you like KFC?
I do.
Is that your favorite fast food chicken?
No.
What's your favorite fast food chicken or fast?
food chicken is Jolly Bee?
Oh, my God.
I wish. wait a minute.
Hell yeah.
Is that California?
I don't in Colorado.
But not in the desert.
Not in the Koa Cha Valley.
Is that that a Filipino chain or is it just popular amongst Filipinos?
No, it is a I got a jopee right around the corner.
Interesting.
I'm not sure it is chicken kind of guy.
I love those.
You will change your tune after you try jelly beee.
Okay.
Like my friend Logan, who is
a chef, and he is also from the south of this there's a lot of fried chicken there.
I took him to Jolly Bee and he said, Jolly Bee is his favorite
fast food fried chicken.
Bro, I'm not even kidding.
Wow.
Alex took me to Jolly Bee for the first time eight ago.
That became my favorite biscuits fried chicken joint?
And there's spaghetti?
They have spaghetti?
Like, I like the spaghetti so much.
I asked Alex for how to make
it like Filipino style, and I've since like made it at home myself
because it's so fucking good, dude..
But I can never replicate how they do it, but it's close.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So good.
All man, I really like that part.
Yeah.
And I have to say, like, I mean, Gillian Anderson was, she was great.
and the acting was really great as well.
But the movie I don't know.
It was just hard for me and not my cup of tea.
But maybe it' I'll give it
a two and a half, give it the extra half, but I for
me, I'd give it a two out of five Letterbox rating.
Nice.
That's my high.
That's fair Arnold Square.
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Oh, yeah.
Well, Arnold, thank you for that.
You know, look, there's no wrong way
to enjoy a movie and you're not wrong for not enjoying a movie.
So don't worry about that.
On that note, Arnold, let's talk about
a certain aspect of how you watch this movie.
Let's talk about it in the Arnold Snoo ameter.
All right, Arnold.
Well, Arnold, I think it's that time of the show, my friend.
I
give this a 4 rating,
a 4Z. Oh, no.
Okay, that's the worst.
I fell asleep.
I'll tell you at all the different points, because I was able to.
I kind of took a little mental note of
the parts that I fell asleep the first time watching it.
I fell asleep at around the 15 minute mark
again at the 30 minute mark, again at the 40
minute mark, and then sometime
in the last 30 minutes of the movie, I fell asleep all the way until the end.
And when I woke up, it was back to season
one, episode one of Satisfaction, which is apparently it looks like a really good show. good.
A completely different show.
Wow.
But then the second time around, I was still fighting it.
Hold on.
Did you have ice cream and beer beforehand?
I did have ice cream last night.
Oh?
I did have ice cream.
But it was a celebration
But, and I did watch it late.
So.
It was a celebration.
It's a celebration.
So maybe it's not not that fair
of a rating, but I do have to say that the second time around,
wide awake, I've had my lines made.
I had my vitamin B. I had my six cups of..
Huh?
L's man.
Oh, yeah, mine.
Did you get that vitamin D?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Especially because there was a lot of cloud
covered here today.
How long was it?
I mean, how many micrograms?
Oh, how many interesting micro?
1,000 IU?
Is that what you mean by how much vitamin?
How do you measure it?
How do you measure yours?
Well, whatever was on the bottle.
What does your bottle say?
Inches?
Centters.
It says IU.
H.
I don't know.
I don't know Or maybe I owe you?
I don't know.
Well, that doesn't make sense, though..
You had all that and you still fell asleep four times.
Yeah, the second time around
yeah, kind of around the same part..
Not at the 10 minute or to 15 minute mark, but at
the 30 minute mark, it was like, I
almost had to like, force my eyes to be open, but even then my eyes are like,
like starting to roll back.
That's some clockwork barring stuff right there.
All right.
Those those are my final thoughts.
That was my Z rating.
That's yeah, that's all I got to say about that, but Thank you, Arnold.
Let's finish it on a high note, and a more intelligent
note, a
bigger note, Mr. BWOTZ too big.
What's your Thank you, Arnold.
I appreciate that.
No, just quick final thoughts.
I enjoyed this movie overall.
I had a couple little hangups.
You know, I thought it's funny that Hannah Einbinder is playing
like a sort of
left leaning white woman Hollywood type in this movie as she does in hacks.
And like in hacks, she's outshown and outperformed
by the senior lead, which enhacks its Gene Smart and this movie, it's Jillian Anderson.
Jillian Anderson
I feel like, really carried this movie a lot more than she did.
And I'm not blaming Hannah Einbinder for that.
I think Jillian Anderson's character is just more,
I don't know, just more out there, more, what's the word?
I can't even think of the word right now.
But you get what I'm saying.
I think her performance was great by Jillian Anderson
I think that Jillian Anderson is kind of in the era of, I'm just going to get real weird with it.
I'm going to pick some weird real weird roles and just go with it.
As if she hasn't done like weird roles already.
Well, I've only really seen her in this and The Crown and like X-Files.
I haven't seen her or anything else.
She was on that Netflix show.
Was it Sex something or other?
She, like, I don't know.
It.
I haven't had Netflix in a while, but, but.
Well, it came out a while ago, so.
She was great as Margaret Thatcher.
Margaret Thatcher.
But I appreciated her performance.
I appreciated herated both her performance, but especially hers.
And overall, this was a weird movie
and in a good way, and in a way that like, I appreciate
it more now after having discussed it with you guys.
So I'm going to go ahead and just, I'm going to change my rating.
I gave this initially.
I gave this a 3.5 out of five
on Letterbox.
But now, honestly, like real talk after discussing it with you guys,
I'm going to give it four stars out of five.
I think this is a movie that's worth watching.
This is the kind of movie where it's like, let's get more weird movies like this.
What does John Waters quotes the thing John Waters says?
Go watch something fucked up movie or something like that.
Exactly
This movie is fucked up in its own way.
And it's funny, too, by the way.
I love the weird humor in this, too.
Like, that type of humor is what you would expect in a David Lynch film as well.
That's my rating on Letterboxd.
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Any final words, though?
No?
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Seriously?
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