Never Seen It Podcast

     

Welcome to the Never Seen Podcast.

     

The only podcast called Never Seen It That's worth listening to with us tonight.

     

Mr. Arnie, the One Man Party.

     

He's here.

     

Arnold Kaleo.

     

We have, He's Back.

     

He's back.

     

Milkman America.

     

Chris is back.

     

Thank you, Chris, for joining us again tonight

     

And another great returned guest, Miss Lisa Counterman,

     

aka Red Feather Girl, is joining us tonight.

     

And then there's me, Boots Too big, aka.

     

Adrian Delat, and tonight we are discussing the 2025 film Ruth Man

     

Directed by, I'm not sure how to say his name, Derek Shan France.

     

That's my best try.

     

Former army ranger, and struggling father turns

     

to robbing McDonald's restaurants by cutting holes in the roofs,

     

earning him the nickname Ruth Man.

     

After escaping present he secretly lives inside of Toys

     

R Us for six months, surviving undetected while planning his next move

     

But when he falls for a divorced mom drawn to his undeniable

     

charm, his double life begins to unravel, setting off a compelling,

     

and suspen suspenseful game of cat and mouse as his past closes in.

     

This is apparently based on a real life set of incidents

     

that did happen in the early 2000s, I believe

     

starring Jennanning Tatum, Kirsten Dunce, Ben Mendelsohn,

     

Lith Stanfield, who's great in everything he does.

     

Yeah, Ruthman, at least I believe you had chosen this movie,

     

so yeah, tell us, why did you choose Ruthman?

     

You know, who doesn't like Tanning Tatum?

     

But beyond that,

     

I don't know, the storyline, the fact that it was based on, you know, some true events.

     

And then, I had kind of heard some things

     

about it that was kind of like a, you root for the underdog kind of thing.

     

And I like those movies.

     

So, and I saw a clip of it and I don't know, it pulled up my heartstring.

     

So I was like, yeah, it's,

     

looks like a good one.

     

When I watched the trailer, I thought we were getting like a kind

     

of a comedy caper type of movie.

     

Like I didn't expect the tone to be as dramatic as it was.

     

And then I noticed that this is the same director, and I don't know if

     

you guys have seen Blue Valentine or The Place Beyond the Pines

     

which are like, if you want to feel depressed for an

     

hour and a couple hours, watch Blue Valentine.

     

I mean, it's a good movie.

     

Don't get me wrong, but it's it's so depressing.

     

Yeah.

     

And so is Placed Beyond the Pines.

     

I thought this movie

     

I didn't get a depress depressing vibe from it at the very least.

     

I feel like this is more relatively lighthearted.

     

So it's was surprise.

     

That's interesting.

     

Well, first of all, I think what you said, we don't

     

really get an opportunity to talk about it a lot of times because

     

we kind of like get excited about the movie and launch into talking about the movie.

     

One of the things that I think is so fun about the movie experience are the trailers.

     

I think so much.

     

We gloss over it and we go, well, it's not like part of the experience. 1000% is.

     

Like A, it helps with the bottom dollar because

     

of a movie's marketed well, people are going to show up to the movie theaters.

     

And part of that, selfishly for

     

me, I like it when it's a true teaser of a trailer

     

and not the full movie in a trailer so many times I

     

feel like we've missed the market in these last like 15, honestly, kind of

     

15, 20 years where we've kind of leaned into,

     

hey, we just need butts and seats, so we're going to try to do,

     

we'll throw the best lines, tease the best scenes.

     

And to your point, going into this movie, all

     

of the marketing was it's a fun movie that I'm going to want to go in and watch.

     

It was, I think it came out like in October or something like that.

     

So it had like this

     

end of summer vibes, like it's a funny, goofy, like you

     

said, Channing Tatum's in it, like who doesn't love a good goofy comedy with him in it.

     

And and then, again,

     

to your point, Adrian, it switches on us and you get, you dive into this movie and then we're like, oh, funny.

     

Oh, oh, oh, got it.

     

Oh, and then it changes the pace on you.

     

And then we're like, what movie are we actually watching here?

     

Are we watching a crime thriller?

     

Are we watching a

     

Yeah.

     

a love interest movie?

     

Is it a redemption movie?

     

We don't know.

     

And so, it was like a pleasant surprise.

     

Yeah.

     

I agree.

     

I know I hate when you have a trailer and you, you've seen the whole movie.

     

You've seen the only best parts of the movie and then the rest of it, you're like,

     

well, okay. 100% agree.

     

We recently did the first Fast and Furious movie and then

     

I was curious and I watched the trailer for Hobbs and Shaw, by the way, Arnold.

     

And they give away the whole

     

movie in that trailer.

     

Like all the all the the funniest one-liners, the funnest moments, I'm like, the twists.

     

Come on, guys.

     

But I totally agree with you guys.

     

And Chris, on this note, like, do you think

     

this balanced the humor well with the drama?

     

To do a true, good drama

     

you need comedy and to do a true, good comedy.

     

You need the drama.

     

It's this weird dynamic that I think sometimes we

     

completely miss the point on of like, real life is funny and real life is very sad.

     

And so I think this movie did such a beautiful job

     

at, is this the best movie ever created?

     

No.

     

But this movie felt so

     

oddly real, even though it it's larger than life

     

of a situation and of a very particular individual.

     

Like, we're bought in.

     

Like, I don't know about you guys.

     

What do you What do you guys think?

     

Were you guys bought in?

     

Yeah, I definitely was.

     

I definitely was.

     

I, I, and it's funny because it wasn't this like

     

high action thing where you're on the edge of your seat, but I still was on the edge of my seat.

     

Like, you know, I I kept waiting every time he

     

went around a corner, you know, and he took chances for her.

     

I kept waiting like, oh, that's, he's going to get, he's going to get taken right.

     

Oh, nope, he didn't.

     

Okay.

     

And then he'd go around a corner.

     

I was like, oh, there's, you know, so I still was on the edge of my seat, even though it wasn't a typical movie like that.

     

Arnold, what do you, I mean, none of us have seen it, I think, before this, but yeah, Arnold, what do you think?

     

Well, I actually did see this.

     

big shout out to the local radio station DJ

     

Chase Martinez for hooking it up with the movie tickets.

     

Well, actually, I won them.

     

I was caller number nine.

     

You're really good at that.

     

You're a professional at winning tickets.

     

Yeah, I saw it in the theaters last year.

     

But then, uh, I think it was, yeah, last

     

year, but, um rewatched and I really enjoyed it then and

     

I just kind of re-watched it again, uh, just to kind of as a little refresher.

     

And

     

um, yeah, and I really loved it.

     

I loved it the first time.

     

I loved it again this time.

     

Yeah, with that, Arnold, uh, because I watched it last

     

year as well, and re-watching it again.

     

I don't I don't know about you, but it almost had like a nostalgic feel for me watching it again.

     

Like it felt like a really good comfort movie.

     

Yeah.

     

Did it land like that with you too?

     

So I like the movie Shawshank Redemption

     

and very nostalgic movie for me.

     

I kind of felt that same way as well, you know, with him escaping from prison.

     

But, you know, well, I think a little

     

bit more different story because in Shawshank, wasn't he he truly was

     

a criminal.

     

Or was he a criminal?

     

I don't remember.

     

It's been a while since I've seen.

     

I've seen Shawshank.

     

Anybody else remember??

     

I feel like it's been a while since I've seen it too,

     

but I think that he, I think he, if I remember

     

right, he did actually kill her, but it was like a crime of passion.

     

So

     

I don't remember it right.

     

In this movie, it wasn't even a he wasn't even a violent criminal.

     

He was just a guy and his luck.

     

He gave the guy McDonald's his jacket because he was going to be cold.

     

Yeah.

     

I liked in thezer where he's like, I took

     

that last little like, you know, and he's like, oh, okay, fine heramatic.

     

I like that actor.

     

He always appears in movies in smaller roles like that.

     

He was in some of the specials Spider-Man movies.

     

He's in a lot of stuff, but

     

I was like, oh, this guy's in it.

     

I thought we were going to follow that character throughout

     

the rest of the movie somehow, but then no, but that was just that was just a cold open.

     

That was what sets the stage.

     

He goes to prison.

     

He cleverly figures out the size of the undercarriage

     

of the box truck or something like that, and there's just enough space.

     

What was he hanging on to?

     

He was like,

     

not in the truck, but like in like a compartment, right?

     

Sort of?

     

Or what was that?

     

Yeah, there's typically for bigger rigs like that, they'll have different

     

structural things to help those big bigger rigs too.

     

Again, all the crap not falling.

     

You don't want your Amazon boxes falling out.

     

Right.

     

So we have to have some things in there.

     

So he was observant enough to notice that there was some sneaky little places he can slither into

     

Yeah, no, and I was like surprised,

     

like, oh, how clever his character was.

     

But even more surprised that Chny Tatum has this knack

     

for being funny, but also like being really bringing

     

the drama when it really needs to be there.

     

Like he has this

     

he's a good actor is what I'm getting at.

     

But he also has like good comeic chops like right off the bat and he's charming as hell.

     

So I'm like, I was kind of like doubting him a little bit.

     

I was like, oh, Jenny did I know, he's he's like a, he's good

     

looking guy, bit of a meathead kind of actor.

     

Not like, not as much of a meathead as John Cena.

     

Tatum is way better as an actor.

     

And I was like pleasantly surprised.

     

I was like, oh, yeah, that's right.

     

He's like super charming, funny, and he can act.

     

Yeah, he's a truth, triple threat.

     

It's really, he's so sneaky

     

with how well he jumps

     

into rolls and fleshes them out..

     

We've seen 21 Jump Street.

     

So like we've seen him be ultra silly and all that kind of jazz.

     

But

     

the complexities of him being surface

     

level funny, but then also having with the emotional

     

depth of having the interactions with Ken

     

Dense's kid kids and the

     

reality of him jumping into a church and like

     

the nuance is all of that and him being flirtatious, but like

     

writing the line, like he he, again,

     

to your point, it could so easily go wrong and come across Meathead

     

and super, fial, but he just, he just lands every fricking moment

     

of you like, yep, I'm bought in.

     

I don't care that you're a robber.

     

I don't care.

     

I don't care that your whole life is a lie right now.

     

Channing, like sold it.

     

Yeah.

     

He has a certain code of ethics that, he follows.

     

Like, he never wants to hurt people.

     

What a Robin Hood.

     

What a Robin Hood guy.

     

Speaking of that, that's what I liked about it.

     

Here I am.

     

You know, it's kind of like on, sometimes sons of anarchy

     

and you're like, oh my gosh, I'm I'm rooting

     

for the people that are the bad guys.

     

And I found myself rooting for him, like,

     

oh, come on, you don't actually have to put him in jail.

     

Like, you just were up play.

     

Come on.

     

You're really, really empathize with him.

     

Yeah.

     

Even to the point where I was like, he's robbing mega corporations.

     

Like, who cares?

     

45 years

     

for robbing off, ripping off.

     

He wasn't rob robbing mom and pop restaurants.

     

He was robbing McDonald's.

     

Come on.

     

Yeah.

     

But, and that's the other thing too.

     

And this is also based in reality.

     

He's a veteran.

     

So like, does the movie raise the bigger question of

     

how badly are we taking care of our veterans that

     

there's people out there who resort to robbing our businesses in order to survive?

     

You know what I mean?

     

Like, granted, he didn't need to buy a big house and

     

all that because that's the thing that that he starts robbing all the McDonald's.

     

And like we cut to and he's a big in a big house, the big screen TV and all that.

     

Like, maybe, you know, don't show Flash.

     

Like even every good mobster movie will tell you, never show Flash.

     

Like if you're driving a beater, keep driving the beater.

     

If you live in an apartment, stay in that apartment.

     

But that's what they do a really good job with this movie, though.

     

And then Arnold, I'll, I want to know what you think about this.

     

But the Robin Hood effect absolutely.

     

We all want to your point, like the underdog.

     

I think to a degree, we all want a little like grace and everything.

     

Like, oh, you know, we've all had bad days or tough seasons or tough, whatever.

     

So we we were like, come on, just cut him a break.

     

Like

     

he would just be so good if it was just this.

     

But then we see the outcome of that, right?

     

We see him become rich through robbing and

     

it's not like he's like, oh, I just want just to put foot on the food on the table.

     

Like he's splurging.

     

Like, he pushes it.

     

So like we root for the robin hood, and then the robin hood turns it right around around

     

and is doing all these things.

     

And so it just goes to show you what I think that they do a good job

     

with this movie is yes, give feed you a little

     

bit of the r hood, but then they go, but in realityity, like

     

this is what happens.

     

Like, Robin Hood's a really tough act, to actually walk.

     

They're very rare people that truly have that

     

heart to like rob and then like once they're set,

     

then they live an honest life after that.

     

He doesn't And it shows, he still doesn't.

     

You got to stay within your means.

     

I mean, even the Wire did that, like all the gangsters in that show,

     

they're like, they''re rich, they're millionaires, but

     

they live a very modest lifestyle because they know they're

     

going to, the police, they're going to be looking at them like, oh, can't flash.

     

You can't no flash, no flash whatsoever.

     

I mean, even Goodfellas has that.

     

Were you going to say, like, is it hard to flash?

     

flash?

     

Yeah, you're probably one of the best flashers I've seen out there.

     

No, I totally agree.

     

He really rides that line

     

really close, but did so well with it.

     

And the whole

     

yeah, like, I did find myself

     

like really cheering, like, like almost like, like

     

hoping that he get away with everything.

     

Do you think that you could stop and not flash or

     

do you think, you would be the chanting tape and be like going above and beyond?

     

Like, I mean, think about it Mia, like, would you, would you be like, you know what?

     

Yeah, you're not getting a 32 inch TV.

     

You're getting a 65 and you're going to get two of them.

     

One for the bathroom

     

Go in the backyard, there's an actual live pony back there way exactly.

     

Do you think you could?

     

Or do you think you think you'd be chanting in in this movie?

     

I don't know, because I can be a little impulsive at

     

times, especially like say, you know, then you have all of a sudden all this money

     

Just thinking about my,

     

my history, history wise, I

     

think I might struggle with that as well.

     

Like at first, might

     

show a little to be able to

     

hold back a little bit, but then like, oh, you let up a little bit and

     

then then all of a sudden, you realize like,

     

oh, you you're being a little bit too much.

     

We've back four nights this week.

     

Yeah.

     

Too many blooming onions.

     

Arnold, you have so much luck winning movie tickets.

     

I just go go do some lottery.

     

Go play the lottery.

     

You know what I mean?

     

I feel like your luck, man.

     

And then share with us.

     

And then share.

     

I'm not picky.

     

I'll take a tent.

     

Only right here.

     

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

     

Just these four.

     

Just Just us, exactly.

     

That's just We'll go around.

     

Like the mobsters

     

to not be flashy.

     

If I did win the lottery, I really, really would try

     

to my best to not

     

like, be flashy and and let

     

the whole world know because I've known something.

     

I won't tell anyone, but there will be signs, right?

     

Yeah.

     

All of a sudden there'll be the thick gold chain, right?

     

Yeah.

     

Arnold and adjust my chain.

     

Hold on.

     

This old thing?

     

Oh, yeah.

     

I'm having neck problems, this chains too heavy.

     

Yeah.

     

Well, I had a friend who

     

had a friend of a friend where they won the the lottery

     

and they said that it was actually the worst thing that happened to them.

     

Really?

     

Because like, you know, you hear about people who are like coming out of the

     

coming through through the woods and just like with their hands out.

     

And and they,

     

you know, let their family, their friends, like everyone

     

know, and then everyone was coming asking for money.

     

They say you got to like a lawyer and set up a bunch of trusts and stuff.

     

And that way people can't just like

     

you know, I don't know.

     

But who knows?

     

But I wanted to talk about the other great actor, which was Kristen Dunu.

     

God, she's such a, I've been following, obviously, like

     

since a kid, like, I think I've had a crush on her, you know, and now I see her.

     

First of all, she's aging so gracefully.

     

It's amazing. obviously.

     

Yeah, truly.

     

But I want to know, like, and Lisa, I want to hear from you

     

as a female character in this story.

     

Do you think that her character was realistic?

     

Like, do you think that she played it well?

     

Like, what did you think about her performance overall?

     

I do.

     

I think that it's interesting because as I was watching

     

her and I was like, there's no way that she can't see beyond his kind of character.

     

But But I think that so often we

     

you know, especially if you're a single parent, you want to see the good.

     

You want that person to be like, okay, finally, there's some good coming into my life.

     

And the fact that he integrated, like he was at church, it wasn't

     

like he spontaneously combusted when he walked into the church.

     

He like really integrated into the church and he was willing to be there

     

with her and be with her kids and not in a creepy way.

     

It was like he he kind of had the boundaries of like, I'm good when they are.

     

And I feel like she played it, I don't know.

     

I think it's a toss-up whether it was her or,

     

you know, which one of the actors in this played the best role.

     

I really, really found myself 100% believing her.

     

I'm like, yeah, I, I could see that..

     

I could see her not seeing anything until the very end.

     

I knew, I knew when she saw him, when he went into the Toys RS.

     

I knew when she saw his eyes, I knew it from that moment.

     

That was the only thing that was I thought was predictable was I was like, right there.

     

She knows exactly who it is.

     

As soon as he got that call, I was like, oh, why don't you come to dinner around fine and say bye.

     

I was like, no, don't do it, bro bro.

     

Don't do it.

     

Don't go.

     

It's a tr.

     

Yeah.

     

And I think, you know, to that, I think he actually, I feel like he was ready to be caught.

     

He was ready.

     

He knew, like, my choices are be caught and

     

then they know what happened to me or leave

     

and then I leave her and her kids not ever knowing, like thinking that I ghosted them.

     

So I think he actually made that decision consciously.

     

I want, I'm going to be the devil's advocate and say he knew what he was walking into.

     

He was hoping it wasn't, but he knew.

     

He resigned himself.

     

He knew at that point because he was like, I don't want them to just be ghosted and not ever know what happened.

     

Such a good point.

     

Because he did that with his previous family, which they never really touched on again.

     

I thought that was going to come back

     

at some point and it doesn't.

     

Well, who is he talking to?

     

He was on the phone.

     

Oh, yeah, okay.

     

He was talked on the phone at the very end, which was kind of, that's the

     

only part of it that I wasn't happy with is I wish

     

that we would have seen a little bit more like, did he keep in contact?

     

Because clearly he would have kept in contact with his daughter if at the end he was talking to her on the phone

     

But, you know, the other, the ex-wife

     

was like, we're done, stay away from us.

     

We've moved on.

     

Don't ever call again.

     

And then all of a sudden he's calling at the end.

     

And I was like, eh, that was interesting.

     

I was expecting a big reveal with his

     

original wife's boyfriend, Gary, because they never showed his face

     

So I thought, oh, we're going to meet Gary.

     

It's going to be somebody that he runs into later.

     

And then they never did anything with that, which which is fine..

     

I mean, this is based on reality, so I'm assuming that that's just what probably really happened.

     

But I thought, like my writer brain was like, oh, we're going to see Gary.

     

It's going to be somebody.

     

It's going to be the boss at Toys of Us.

     

It's going to be the priest at the church.

     

Like another lair of a.

     

Yeah, like you're always thinking like a movie watcher, but this is like

     

pretty grounded and they don't, they don't do that.

     

I thought it was somebody he knew.

     

I was like, Gary has to be somebody he knew or someone

     

related to Kristen Dunst's character.

     

When the real bad guy was, Peter Dinklich's character.

     

I've had managers like that.

     

Oh, yeah.

     

That guy.

     

Oh.

     

All I could think of was call me an angry elf one more time..

     

And I was like, he's going to go running him and I like a big stuffed animal and like tackle him.

     

So, yeah.

     

Well, I mean, just just the whole thing with Kirsten

     

Dunst's character and not wanting to give her like the proper time off.

     

And I was like, oh, man, like, that's the most, probably

     

the most relatable thing in this whole movie, really, you think about it.

     

Because who hasn't had a shitty manager

     

Well, on K and Dz, sorry to bring it back,

     

but Lisa, you made a lot of really good points as far as like

     

that believability and the realities that we tell ourselves

     

of like, no, this guy's this guy's being honest.

     

Like this is a true

     

knight in shining armor that just comes through

     

and it's exactly what I've been hoping for.

     

And to a degree, I thought, again, one of the beautiful things about this movie that

     

I think everything from that moment where he

     

integrates with the church is real.

     

I think all of those decisions, like there was not a

     

facade or performance to a degree.

     

I like for all intents and purposes, that was the real hy.

     

The unfortunate things is that it was on a better eyes, right?

     

At the end of the day.

     

So it was on shaky foundation, but he truly was that man.

     

And so I think that's part of the reason too, why this movie is so good because Kristen D

     

sales how honestly

     

in love that she is with him and the idea of him as well.

     

I think that's something we should always unfortunately talk

     

about is like, sometimes we fall in love with the idea of who this person is.

     

That's true.

     

He even says like,

     

that, oh, he really loves

     

John, he likes John Zoan, and he really

     

loves that that Kirsten Duntce's character that that she really likes John Zorn.

     

Yeah.

     

Well, did you notice at the very end, she's like, should I call you, Jeff?

     

I thought that was so funny how she

     

it was almost like in her mind, like, do I have to flip a switch?

     

Am I still just seeing John or do I have to see him as this Jeff guy or whatever?

     

So I didn't get that far on the rewatch.

     

So,

     

But I didn't watch that.

     

Yeah.

     

Well, by the way, so we're just really going back to,

     

we were talking about Shawshank and HLP in the chat says that his character was innocent.

     

There was a person who admitted to the murder, but

     

because the warden wanted to use him still, they threw that

     

in. information under the rug.

     

Oh, okay.

     

Yeah, I would been all the dogs.

     

I don't know what dogs he's referring to.

     

Dogs in Shawshank or dogs in Roof?

     

I think that that's what he was he was talking about, what he would do if he won the lottery.

     

Oh, adopt all the dogs.

     

I agree.

     

Oh, yeah.

     

I agree.

     

I would buy a property and I'd probably be known as the cat and dog lady.

     

I've had, you know, a hoarding situation.

     

Nice.

     

Yeah.

     

I thought about this too.

     

I'd have like a big, huge, like piece of property where one side would be

     

to take in a lot of strays, but then way afar on the

     

other side would be my helicopter landing pad.

     

And then it'll also have like,

     

it' be a huge compound for you know family relatives to

     

dis distance apart enough behind a lot of gates.

     

I would just buy up all the local

     

45 McDonald's franchises within my area. isn't't that what like sports stars do?

     

They buy franchises, right?

     

Wait, wait.

     

I love that we would rob all of these

     

places and then open up your own franchises.

     

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

     

Oh, yeah.

     

And you'd be like, double just security because I know there's people out there like me.

     

If you'd do that and you'd also give them all coats.

     

Make sure all the employees had brand new coats.

     

Nice.

     

Yeah, like Prado or some.

     

Actually, no, you know what?

     

Not Prada because is there Prada one of those brands where it's like, it's

     

like people think that this is like a fancy luxury brand

     

but like actual, wealthy people use brands that you don't even, you've never even heard of.

     

So, you know, that's where that's the route I would go, not product.

     

So it's like at mainstream.

     

Exactly.

     

Yeah.

     

Some coat that costs like $10,000.

     

So basic.

     

Yeah.

     

Well, speaking of basic, they, uh, let's bring it back to

     

the Toys R Us manager of the

     

store, you were just getting ongoing about how we've all

     

had that manager and how realized that.

     

Your request has been denied.

     

You will be working Christmas Eve.

     

I love how he goes in and he hacks the computer and he's like, nope.

     

And just takes it off.

     

I was like, yeah, I found myself through and I was like, you do that.

     

You change the schedule because she only works 1030 to 4.

     

I thought he was going to give her a raise raise somehow in the system.

     

I don't know why significant.

     

Even how he he looks he's like watching him type his password.

     

He's like, a dollar sign, you CCE, dollar sign, dollar sign, dollar sign.

     

That's the stupidest password I've ever.

     

I know.

     

Well, I thought he should have.

     

If he was hacking into the computer, that other guy that didn't like confrontation.

     

I can't remember his name.

     

Otis, I think he should have also given him the best hours and a raise as well.

     

You know what?

     

I thought Otis was going to do something to him at the very

     

end after he clocks the security guard

     

and he's like pointing the gun.

     

I thought Otis was going to like jump him or throw something.

     

Like I was expecting Otis to stand up and do something to general.

     

Tatum's character.

     

But then it never happened..

     

Tatum is huge.

     

Can we just

     

That's a big dude..

     

When I looked into the

     

story, they really, for the

     

most part, a lot of it, they stay true to the actual to like what really happened.

     

That's good to no.

     

I think this director

     

has, like he doesn't really embellish because

     

I think even like Placed Beyond the Pines is based on a real story.

     

I'm not sure about Blue Valentine, but like he seems to be like,

     

I'm going to keep it grounded in reality I'm not going to like Hollywood eyes everything.

     

Because I was expecting so many different moments,

     

like in the church at some point, I was expecting oh, the cops are going to bust in

     

and right at the very end and bust them at the church didn't happen.

     

I thought that lady from the church, the one that says, oh, I used to be in law enforcement.

     

I thought that I was going to come back and bite him in the butt later.

     

And it doesn't.

     

Me too.

     

So I kept waiting.

     

I had one question.

     

So, and maybe I misunderstoodood when he first went to the church

     

and I thought that the pastor and that one woman were married.

     

I thought she said that she was the pastor's wife.

     

And then she was at the singles group.

     

And I was like, what is she doing at the singles group?

     

Oh, yeah.

     

I I don't think they were.

     

I don't recall them alluding to them being married.

     

I think, either case.

     

So

     

She was either A single because I remember, I got confused at that moment too.

     

It was either, yes, she was single.

     

They just happened to be close for whatever reason. or second,

     

a lot of times with like those types of functions, there's someone that's

     

supposed to like quote unquote, like oversee and be part of it.

     

So it could have been like, yeah, you single people.

     

You could do that thing.

     

And then just just kind of like there.

     

Okay.

     

Yeah, because I was like, I liked the characters that they had for the church too.

     

I don't know.

     

There was something heartwarming about who they had for the characters at the church.

     

And some of them didn't have big parts, but I still was like, I

     

like, I would go to that church.

     

I like that.

     

Yeah.

     

Ben Nendelen plays the pastor guy and he's like such a good actor as well.

     

And it's such a tiny role in this movie.

     

I was kind of surprised, Bill was like, not a bad pick to get Ben Mendelsohn.

     

It was good.

     

Yeah.

     

And HLP says that she was

     

hosting He believes.

     

Just hosting.

     

Okay.

     

Because I thought he made a comment at the beginning about

     

like, it was something that she commented and she was with

     

the pastor and she was like, oh, you know, the pastor and his wife needs to.

     

And so that's why I thought that the two of them were married.

     

For sure.

     

But I guess I'm I'll have to go back and rewatch that because that was the only thing I was like, wait, what?

     

You know how those single church ladies be.

     

I know, I know.

     

That was cute when he walks in.

     

He says something about like the shoes

     

and he goes under the table to check out their shoes.

     

I fell on the floor laughing about that.

     

You know stettles at a brunch?

     

A friend of mine once

     

told me, he's like, if you really want to get a conversation going with a woman, just compliment her shoes.

     

Every time that'll work., he says, I've never actually tried

     

it, but I watched this movie and I thought about him telling me that.

     

And I was like, oh, maybe there's something.

     

Hey, you need to rewatch this again and take notes throughout the whole movie and be like.

     

I was going to say, so next time we see you at a restaurant, you'll be ducking

     

under the table and we're just checking out those t to comment, right?

     

I feel like people would just call me a creep, though.

     

I feel like I just give off that.

     

Just don't feel like pictures.

     

Adrian?

     

Yeah.

     

That was so funny how she's like,

     

Kirsten was like, uh, two questions.

     

Oh, yeah.

     

You're gay, right?

     

Yeah.

     

It's like no, no, no.

     

Yeah.

     

I didn't understand that fully.

     

What was your guys's interpretation of that?

     

Like, why would she ask that?

     

Like, what do you think, Lisa, like?

     

I think, so there was some, I can't remember, he was commenting

     

on something and he was like, girl, and he did this

     

little like thing that I think she, she

     

looked at him when he said that, and I think that's why she asked that, because there was something

     

he was commenting on and he was he made a comment that I was like,

     

I could see where she would have said that, you know, but I thought it was cute too, because that

     

I think that showed her almost like her vulnerability,

     

her nvet kind of, like, I really want to be in love with you.

     

I just, I just have to double check kind of thing.

     

That was interesting.

     

Chris, what was your thoughts on that?

     

I mean, if any that you had on that scene on that, moment.

     

Yeah, I think two things.

     

One, um

     

I forgot where he originally comes from.

     

Um, but I think, uh, even within

     

the United States, um, if most,

     

I shouldn't say most, I think a decent amount of California men go somewhere into the Midwest

     

and we exist how we exist, we would probably

     

get caught comments like that of like, oh yeah, you don't

     

act like a man' span, type of thing.

     

That' point.

     

Those little things.

     

And then the second, I think it's, again, Lisa, you kind

     

of hit it on the nose as far as like a

     

A, she is kind of like double

     

treking for herself, but second, I think disarming.

     

I think asking those kind of like silly questions, kind of like,

     

you can get under some guy's feathers of asking a question like that.

     

And then it's like, uh, can you play ball?

     

Like, can you handle an easy softball question like that without like making a full thing of it?

     

I never thought about that.

     

That makes sense.

     

Yeah, because if it was me, I would just laugh.

     

I'd be like, no, but why do you think that?

     

Not that there's anything wrong with that?

     

But he's very sure of himself.

     

He doesn't He doesn't ask that.

     

He's Right.

     

So you're saying that there's men out there who if you ask him that, that could anger them.

     

And that would be her

     

her signal like, oh, this guy is not somebody else, right?

     

I, I did not look at that.

     

See, this is why it's nice to have a woman's perspective because I just, I don't think about this stuff.

     

To me, I was just like, like, why?

     

Does that makes sense?

     

Why ask that?

     

I've met people like that.

     

I had some that I won't name that years ago,

     

many years ago, I went to Rocky Horror Picture show with, and

     

they, you know how if you've not been there, they're like, oh, you're a virgin.

     

And they put

     

the red light lipstick on your forehead And this person flipped out, flipped out.

     

And I was like, well, yep, okay.

     

I's your sign..

     

Exactly.

     

Here's my sign.

     

We won't ever do this again.

     

I won't ever be around you again, because that's weird.

     

That's so interesting.

     

If you can't be safe in that environment, like, like, I don't want to know what happens fine.

     

Exactly.

     

Exactly.

     

Like, calm down.

     

Rocky Horror, Picture show.

     

I mean, really.

     

Of all things, yeah.

     

Ripton Curry, by the way.

     

Curry.

     

Yeah.

     

All right.

     

Oh, man.

     

Yes.

     

Yeah, Arnold, like, what did you have a different perspective on that?

     

Like, who what did you think because you brought it up?

     

What did you think about that scene?

     

Was that just funny to you?

     

No, I mean, I can kind of relate a little bit because

     

I don't know.

     

There's a, like in my office.

     

It's pretty much all girls.

     

In my house, there's a bunch of girls.

     

My wife, her family, her siblings, they all have, they're all daughters..

     

I grew up like

     

with all boys and most of my cousins are, a lot of my cousins are boys was around them.

     

But now, like, as an adult, it's all girls.

     

And I you know, for the most part, I get along with all of them.

     

And they tell me, it's because

     

I'm like one of the girls.

     

And, um, and,

     

uh, I don't know.

     

I think, uh, you know, I think I've

     

been asked, I mean, before I was married, um, like some people

     

wondered if I was, if I was gay or not, which

     

I, you know, I wasn't like, no, like, I like girls.

     

And he's here to set the record straight, y'all.

     

He is straight.

     

That's so interesting, our life.

     

I

     

yeah, you know, because you grew up around, I had

     

two sisters and a mom, my mom and stuff.

     

And there's still so much I had never learned

     

about certain social dynamics when I it comes to sexes.

     

Like I, I don't know.

     

You know what I mean?

     

I find that interesting.

     

One of the things that they would ask you, they're like, oh, like if

     

you ask about your nails or complim about nails

     

if I don't know how true it is, but like guys,

     

like straight people don't look at it like this, but then if you forget, you'll be like.

     

But more so..

     

I know exactly what.

     

It's wild.

     

That is so true.

     

Oh my gosh.

     

That is so true.

     

thing that would get the,

     

like if you were in a situation like, like, like Jeff

     

Manchester and at a Red Lobster with all girls would be like,

     

um, you know, compliment uh, you mentioned compliment girls

     

on their shoes, compliment them on their nails but then say, oh, girl

     

that Girl, I love the color.

     

Oh, girl, I love your hair..

     

And it's so funny, too.

     

It's It's imperative that you say girl in front of all of this.

     

Yeah, in that way.

     

That intonation right there, yeah.

     

I used to be married and my ex would say, like, you know, is anything different?

     

And I'd be like, no.

     

And it's always like, oh, my, I have a new highlight in my hair or I did my nails.

     

It's like, I just, I never noticed things like that.

     

So it's like

     

I't know.

     

My husband's an electrician.

     

He knows he can just be flat out if I say that and he

     

doesn't notice he's like, I'm an electrician.

     

What you're going to have to call me.

     

So you don't get mad at him if he doesn't.

     

Okay, that's good.

     

No.

     

And the funny thing is, I was a couple times now recently,

     

just because I didn't have someone else here, I was getting ready for a

     

fashion show and I was like, should I wear this or this??

     

And he looks at me and he goes,

     

remember who you're asking.

     

He's like, I can give you an answer.

     

It's not going to be the right one.

     

So pick the opposite of what I say.

     

You might as well ask a coin.

     

It's going to give you the same amount of value...

     

My wife will ask me certain things are like a design of something

     

and I I'll tell her, I'm a dude.

     

Here's a pro move..

     

I learned this a while ago.

     

I will, in that moment, go, this is what I think.

     

And I'll be like, the option one.

     

And I'll be like, option B. And they'll

     

be like, my wife will be like, yes, that's the one.

     

My instincts are always off.

     

So that first answer is always going to be wrong.

     

That's interesting.

     

Exactly.

     

You pick the opposite..

     

Every time.

     

And, you know, it's interesting when we're talking about this stuff

     

and it does relate to the character, I think, in a way, because Johnny

     

Tatum is not a toxic, masculine dude.

     

He's masculine.

     

He's a bit of, he's got a little alphaness to it, but notice

     

how he's like kind of a positive masculculine character.

     

Like especially for the way he interacts with the daughters of Christian Duns's characters.

     

I was like, I found that so wholesome and like, you

     

know, like, that's nice to see that you can portray that and it

     

can, it doesn't, just like in real life, like it doesn't have to be creepy.

     

It's just like two people, two friends, basically.

     

And I know a lot of men don't, they avoid dating

     

women who have children already just because they think it's like, oh, that's a burden on them and stuff like that.

     

But it's like, you can make it work.

     

I don't know.

     

You know, Does that make sense at all?

     

Yeah, I think so much of our media has kind of

     

been like veterans act and

     

look like X. And I think it's nice that

     

we're being shown other quote

     

unquote options or realities of what veterans look like.

     

I think we all have like the disgruntled

     

Vietnam veteran and it's

     

just grumble and rumble, blah, blah.

     

And Again, toxxic masculinity.

     

And I think it's nice that it's like, oh, this is just a regular dude.

     

And he had a girl and so like he probably soft in the edges and

     

I think you clearly saw the empathy

     

in the fact that he's being nice during his robberies.

     

I mean, nice to a robbery. all things considered so

     

I think that's how I would be as a robber.

     

I would be I would be a nice robber if I rob the place.

     

Like, listen, just do what I tell you.

     

Nobody gets hurt.

     

I know you've heard them in the movies a million times.

     

I'm not going to hurt you.

     

I don't have the personality to do something like that.

     

You know?

     

Maybe sometimes I get a little mad and I throw something at the wall.

     

Like that's happened, certainly.

     

But, you know, I would never hurt a person

     

So.

     

you know?

     

And, believe me, it takes a lot for me to admit that.

     

I'm not proud of admitting that I've thrown things at the wall when I've

     

gotten upset in, you know, your mind.

     

Well, and I do, you know, you brought up the

     

fact that he was a veteran in this, and I I agree with you.

     

I think

     

we see a lot of the

     

hard side of, you know, veterans, like either a

     

veteran that has mental health or trauma issues.

     

And this was a much softer side.

     

It was showing that, you know, there are people that are veterans

     

that, you know, thankfully, they have the soft edges.

     

And I like the fact, I know it's probably a female thing, but I like the fact that he cried.

     

He cried on multiple occasions in this movie.

     

And I felt like So did I watching, to be honest.

     

I mean, I really really did.

     

It was emotional.

     

At the end.

     

That's like cried on moments, that was all parts that that I would have cried.

     

Like you know, he's on the phone and he's just, he's his daughter and the

     

mom tells him, like, don't don't call.

     

I'm like, oh, gosh.

     

Oh, man.

     

Yeah.

     

I know having cavities from

     

eating M&Ms every day would make me cry because I hate going to the dentist too.

     

That would be horrible.

     

Horrible.

     

My husband was listening to or watching part of it with me.

     

And when he was at the dentistist, he's got, like, he can work

     

with a nail through his foot when the drill sound and he was like, oh, he was like, I can't listen

     

So But I thought it was interesting, too, of all things.

     

Like, I was worried when they said, when his friend was like,

     

you got to go, you know, take care of loose ends at the dentist.

     

I was like, uh, they're not going to, he's not going to go and like, kill the dentist or something.

     

That Yeah.

     

I was worried.

     

He just blew it up.

     

He just let it on fire.

     

I'm like, okay, okay.

     

Nobody gets hurt.

     

That's good.

     

It's like, oh, that's great.

     

Yeah, exactly.

     

Good.

     

Okay.

     

It's fine.

     

There was a There a couple moments in this movie

     

Only blown up.

     

that I had to remember the time period that we were in.

     

Because he's like lit it on fire.

     

Right.

     

I'm like, okay, it's up.

     

It's saved.

     

And I was like, oh wait.

     

That's all physical files.

     

Yeah.

     

Even still to this day, I think a lot

     

of medical offices keep mostly physical files, right?

     

They don't really digitize They do their records.

     

A lot of them do.

     

I know, they'll

     

do at least seven years of the physical than because I I think still by law, you have to.

     

Gotcha.

     

I was also thinking, wait a minute.

     

Couldn't Toys Arrest suit?

     

And I was like, oh, wait, Toys Arrest doesn't exist anymore.

     

So that's not a problem.

     

My husband was like, so that's why Toys R Us went went out of business.

     

Yep, there we get the.

     

Yeah.

     

The roof man put him out of business.

     

By the way, guest, Adam is in the chat.

     

He's. messaging us from Japan.

     

Greetings from Japan or what's up in Japan?

     

I almost said a word and I don't know if

     

it's Japanese news or not, so I'm going to refrain.

     

I don't know Japanese, so I'm going to withhold.

     

Well, are you drink Japanese and do you like it?

     

Chris.

     

Again, you're going to get me going and I can't.

     

Kunichiwa.

     

Kunichiwa, yeah.

     

Oh, showing?

     

Oh.

     

My band.

     

Yeah, Alex, Justin,

     

Yeah.

     

and Donnie are our in Japan as we speak

     

Having a grand old time for what I can tell from social media.

     

What a vibe Japan is.

     

Like some of the pictures that Justin has shared, I'm like, that is a gorgeous shot.

     

You could not do that in the U.S. Maybe in New York,

     

maybe, but even then, I feel like it's, even New York's not as visual.

     

I've never been, but, um, you know, just based on what I've seen.

     

But nice to have you with us, Alex.

     

He says, waiting for the hips.

     

Oh, so distracted.

     

Wait, he really hit.

     

If he had that heavy gold chain after winning the lottery, I don't know if he could do that.

     

Yeah, he'd have to hanging around something else.

     

He always wears the same blue shirt shorts.

     

Are those your podcasting shorts, Arnold?

     

Those look like your podcasting shorts.

     

We'd have to call him Prince Albert.

     

Yeah, it's my uniform.

     

He could use it as a beltt if you.

     

Yeah, there you go.

     

Can you throw it on your shoulder?

     

Can you.

     

Alex says they're heading to the Nintendo Museum next.

     

Nice, nice, nice.

     

Nice.

     

Yeah, Phil nets out of some content.

     

What else to HLPC?

     

Oh, yeah.

     

He changed we're going back to the Magic.

     

He changed the schedule, so she was not there while he was hebed the place.

     

She was hot. hosting, I believe.

     

Wait, I don't remember the context of that.

     

The hosting was in reference to the

     

wife of the pastor, or supposed hosting the dinner.

     

But yeah, the other thing, I mean, so that

     

final scene at the Toys R Us where he's

     

robbing it and that was such a well-d scene.

     

I did not know what was going to happen.

     

I thought maybe he was going to get shot at.

     

Maybe the cops are going to show right away.

     

But man, when he clocks the security guard

     

I was like, ooh, game over.

     

This guy is going to go away for a even longer time now.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

I know.

     

I think we all have that same reaction when he did.

     

You know, we're all tearing for him and then he does it.

     

It's like, oh, bad move.

     

Yeah.

     

It's okay that you robbed all these places. and stuff, but.

     

But as soon as you punch a guy doing his job.

     

Yeah.

     

It's all crumbling.

     

I mean, to a degree.

     

He went against the code he had, which was, I'm not going to

     

hurt anyone involved with all of these things, and he had to.

     

Yeah.

     

Or he felt.

     

I thought, I thought that, like I said, I was expecting him.

     

I was hoping.

     

He's like, oh, he's going to get away.

     

She saw him

     

and she, you could tell she recognized his eyes, but then there's

     

a quick shot of her later talking to the cops saying, no, I don't I don't know who he is.

     

And I was like, okay, good.

     

So she's cool. we do for love.

     

Yeah.

     

And then and then he goes to visits La Keith Stanfield's character.

     

Another great

     

character, by the way.

     

He's only got a couple scenes and he's just like, you know, here's

     

your passport, here's your ID, blah, blah, blah, blah.

     

But you're gone for life, bro.

     

Like there's no, there's no going back.

     

There's no phone calls.

     

That's it.

     

You're a ghost.

     

And that's when that's when I knew like, oh, he's not going to do it.

     

He's not going to do it.

     

Yeah, he's not going going to ghost then.

     

He was starting to weigh the options right then.

     

And as soon as he left there, he knew what his choice was.

     

He just didn't know how it was going to happen.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

He tried.

     

He was, you know, he was asking her like, you ever think

     

about just like getting up and just, and just, just leaving, just start somewhere new?

     

Like, he really wanted wanted that.

     

And,

     

like truly deep down, and then,

     

you know, I'm like thinking and hoping that like, oh,

     

yeah, that would be a great, great, great story.

     

You guys just get away and, you know, you

     

know, the world forgets about what you, the 45 McDonald's that you robbed and people that you put in the freezer.

     

And by the way, like, that was true in 2004.

     

I think it would be even more true now because every day it's something.

     

Somebody's doing something

     

And then we quickly move on because the news cycle is just that fast.

     

So I actually think in today's world, his character

     

might have gone away with it even easier, believe it or not.

     

Although, with all cameras being everywhere now, maybe not, but at the same time

     

our attention, you know, our attention is gone.

     

Well, you know, let's, let's bring it all back to the

     

elephant in the room, which is he was sleeping in a to's arrest.

     

We have yet to talk about

     

his reality of like constantly having to deal

     

with the anxiety of sneaking in and out of a Toys R Us and just

     

like boringly living there.

     

Crazy.

     

Yeah, I couldn't do it.

     

I loved how it wasn't, he wasn't like, he was hidden in plain sight.

     

I liked that piece of it, how he constructed everything in that little silo.

     

And I was like, but part of me was like, where is he going to the bathroom

     

Right.

     

During the day?

     

Yeah.

     

During the day.

     

Did he have like a Home Depot bucket or what, what is he doing with?

     

Right.

     

My Toy RS smelled like crap, so like it doesn't matter.

     

It's.

     

Nobody knew.

     

Yeah.

     

It was by Babies R Us, so we just kind of assumed that's where it was coming from.

     

I kept thinking the peanuts being

     

stolen the video games, being sold upon, I kept thinking that

     

one of those things was going to bite him, but it never did.

     

But it was funny when the cops were interviewing Peter Dingage's

     

character and he's like, well, I noticed the video games have been missing.

     

Like, how much?

     

A lot.

     

Substantial amount?

     

Yeah, you're a manager.

     

You should be tracking your inventory and raising a red flag if

     

there's like $3,000 worth of video games that are missinging.

     

Like, you're going to get fired.

     

There was loss prevention.

     

I mean, what happened to?

     

Probably Toys Arrest didn't have any.

     

They were like, you know, when we lose some bubbles, it's not a big deal.

     

Are you saying that they came up short

     

Yeah.

     

Wow.

     

Low hanging fruit.

     

All I know is that as someone who used

     

to work in logistics, you know, you track inventory

     

and like as a middle manager, if he was losing

     

inventory that badly on the job, he would have been fired, like, probably right away.

     

Or somebody would have said, hey, you're losing all this inventory.

     

Let's look into this and investigate.

     

If you keep doing this, ToyRS is going to go out of business.

     

Yeah, exactly.

     

He'll be like, don't worry, I'll get a job at Circus City.

     

Or Blockbuster.

     

No..

     

They had a shot of Blockbuster..

     

Circuit City, because in real life, he

     

actually hid, not just in a Toys R Us, but also in an

     

ab abandoned or empty circuit city building

     

Oh, really?

     

In real life.

     

In real life.

     

Really?

     

Which was right next to it.

     

Yeah...

     

I feel like you could be there for several

     

months upon months because it takes a while to turn those empty

     

storefronts over to something different, right?

     

So Yeah, before the rats start invadient.

     

Yeah.

     

Oh, the rats.

     

That's the other thing, yeah.

     

I thought it was interesting.

     

I don't know if you noticed, there was a really quick scene after

     

he was in the Toys Arrest and, you know, the

     

die bag blew up in the main event.'s face and he bought in his eyes.

     

And then they had this like split second moment where the manager

     

was sitting next to Otis and they were laughing.

     

And it was almost like you saw that he did something good.

     

Like he, he broke that something in between

     

Otis and the manager where they were like commiserating but laughing.

     

They were trauma bonding..

     

I think is what was going on there.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

Such a well-written movie overall.

     

I mean, I feel like there was no

     

fluff in this movie.

     

I was I was watching some reviews and people said, oh,

     

that's kind of long in the middle, but no, I feel like everything was intentional

     

with his character, everything inaction.

     

Every moment is making you as the audience think like, oh,

     

like, what's going to be the thing that gets him caught again.

     

Yeah.

     

When you mentioned earlier that

     

you started saying, yeah, he was sleeping inside of towards R Us.

     

And then for me, the inner child and me and

     

thinking back when I was a kid growing up, that would have been a dream.

     

Like there was a Toys Rust out here was

     

out here locally, and then there was like a hotel.

     

I think it was like a travel lodge that was like in the same parking lot.

     

And I remember thinking like, I want to go to vacation and

     

we'll just stay right there at the travel lodge and then I can just walk Toys Us every day.

     

Like now that would have been a vacation to me.

     

A quick, not so fun fact.

     

If it's the same Toys R Us that I think you're talking about, Arnold, that's

     

the one of the infamous Black Friday shooting that happened

     

If you guys remember in 2008, 2009,

     

I can't remember what year remember that was a shooting between, it wasn't like someone robbing the store.

     

It was two guys that had beef and more they pulled out guns and shot each other.

     

Was it inside inside or in the parking lot?

     

It was inside the story.

     

I know that because it was like my first year in TV

     

It was like my first big breaking news story.

     

And I remember being in the control room and we were live and stuff.

     

And then I remember I knew a girl that worked there and I remember

     

seeing footage of her walking out with all the other employees.

     

And I was like, oh shit, that's right.

     

She does work there.

     

So, yeah.

     

I was going to say, and wasn't it over, wasn't

     

there some big thing over the whole tick on the Elmo craze?

     

That was that was crazy.

     

That and the cabbage patch.

     

That was like late 90s, I think.

     

Yeah, they were fighting over., you know, like, especially Black Friday.

     

And it's funny because funny.

     

You see his character in this movie beating up all the Elmos and

     

the handcap of the toy aisle.

     

That was funny.

     

Yeah., yeah.

     

Well, that's, yeah, that's ruth, man.

     

I think we could start to wrap her up a little bit, but before we go, I want to say really quick.

     

This movie had, and I counted 27 executive producers on this movie

     

27 producers, and like eight studio

     

logos, did you guys done as all the studio logos before the movie started?

     

Oh, yeah.

     

There was like five or six production companies that worked on this movie.

     

And if I know anything about the Hollywood business is

     

that most times when you see a producer like that many of them,

     

most of them just like maybe they got a little money, they probably investeded some money themselves.

     

That's it.

     

They didn't do anything else.

     

But I was just laughing.

     

I was like, five studios and like 27 producers.

     

I'm like, what did they all do?

     

This is a pretty straightforward movie.

     

I remember It's 10 minutes.

     

You got that 10 minutes.

     

You'll get the next 10 minutes after that.

     

Yeah.

     

I was going to say, maybe they donated Crafty.

     

Yeah, that that must be it.

     

Because I got when I was like 27 producers?

     

Like, what does it producer do?

     

It's time Toys are Us Alive.

     

It took 27 producers

     

to keep that scoreront.

     

They were trying to match how many McDonald's that that he robbed.

     

Oh, right.

     

He couldn't get quite to 45.

     

I wonder how that works, though.

     

Like McDonald's obviously still around.

     

I wondered, like, do they have to sign off on, even if it's based on a true story, do they have to sign off on

     

their logo and stuff being used?

     

How does that work?

     

Do you know Lisa at all?

     

I think usually they do.

     

Usually they do, because I know like when we're filming things, we have to

     

be really careful if we have like a beer bottle or anything.

     

We have to make sure logos aren't seen.

     

They either have to take the logo off or like, we can't use like the glass

     

Coke bottles because that's very distinctive, even without the label.

     

Interesting.

     

So they would have had to have, you know, anybody that

     

in that, the McDonald's, the, anything that they

     

showed, obviously Toys Us, there's nobody to get permission from, Or Blockbuster.

     

Or Blockbuster.

     

Maybe that's why.

     

But yeah, they would have had to have gotten permission from McDonald's to show footage like that.

     

Anything that uses that branding has to go through.

     

Like they're lawyers.

     

It's not even like a marketing person goes, yeah, you have a blessing.

     

Go make the money.

     

Right, right, right.

     

It's like, yep, we're going to review this footage and we're

     

going to actually come back and tell you're going to have to cut this or you're going to

     

have to do the scene like this because we can't have

     

it looking spot on us.

     

I wish I wish they had red lobster in it..

     

I wish that that helped them financially a little bit.

     

But just the other last week, the Red Lobster out here closed.

     

I guess.

     

I was going to say, they're not around anymore either.

     

They're closing off.

     

Every once in a while, I see one out in Colorado.

     

But yeah, a lot of them are closed.

     

I'm surprised they haven't been bought by Venture capital

     

That always happens at the, the end of the lifespan of a major retailer

     

is gobble..

     

All right.

     

Well, that's the movie.

     

Let's go around and do our final thoughts.

     

Lisa, this was your movie.

     

Tell us, what are your final thoughts on Roof Man and where do people find you?

     

I loved it.

     

I loved it.

     

I may go back.

     

There are very few movies that I rewatch.

     

Ready Player One is one of them.

     

and this would be one I would go back and rewatch.

     

I don't know.

     

It was a feel goodood movie without, I mean, it didn't

     

have the happiest ending, but the happiest ending it could have.

     

You know, it was realistic.

     

It wasn't like all of a sudden they erased everything and they're living on an island now.

     

So that was good.

     

I'm glad they didn't make it unrealistic.

     

But I loved it.

     

I would go back and rewatch it, rewatch it.

     

I loved all of the actors that were in it.

     

There was not one single person I was like, yeah, but their character, that actor, I loved all of it.

     

I really did.

     

And you can find me at, both

     

on TikTok and Instagram at Red Feathergirls01.

     

And now I launched my business with my partner.

     

So Rocky Mountain Film Connections.

     

Oh, nice.

     

And we are doing a whole bunch of meet ups.

     

Thank you.

     

All throughout the Colorado, like Denver Metro area for anybody in film.

     

So

     

find us on Instagram, Rocky Mountain Film Connections,

     

and thank you.

     

And we'll be launching more soon.

     

So check us out there.

     

Congratulations.

     

Nice.

     

That's awesome.

     

Cong.

     

You and I don't have to talk because I have ideas for stories and stuff and whatnot.

     

And you know, I feel like there's some networking opportunities there.

     

So, yeah.

     

Absolutely.

     

Absolutely.

     

Cool.

     

Yes.

     

Thank you for that, Lisa.

     

Chris, what are your final thoughts on Roof Man?

     

Yeah, I think I kind of opened with some of it, but,

     

um, I think this is just a really well-rounded movie

     

that is surprisingly good.

     

I think it's deceiving in what it kind of promotes itself as.

     

Um, and it really hook, line, and sinkers you

     

into falling in love with not only

     

the character, but also, with Kirsten Dunz,

     

what a heckck of a job she did.

     

The heartbre.

     

Truly, like the heartbreak yes for Channing

     

Tatum's character of like wanting the reality of all that.

     

But Kristen Dutz, I mean,

     

it was tough for me who I felt more bad for because

     

you have her family and she opened everything up to him.

     

And to be able to experience that

     

level of this is how good life could be,

     

and then to unfortunately have it robbed at the end, I think you said it well.

     

It doesn't,

     

end on a happy note, it does end up on

     

a sad note, but I think what the movie does so

     

well is it captures your heart.

     

It is very rich amongst a larger

     

than life fiction type story that is real.

     

It's inspired by true events.

     

And the fact that they kept as close as they could to it,

     

I think is part of the reason why it reads so well.

     

It's like, this is a real dude.

     

It's the real Robin Hood effect.

     

We're rooting for the guy, he doesn't come through, but it's a wonderful watch nonetheless.

     

It, and you, you kind of talked about it, but

     

The Pines movie,

     

it's one of those like comfort sad movies, if that makes sense,

     

where it's just like, look, I'm not going to like be

     

super ecatic after it, but I just kind of need my comfy warm movie.

     

This is what it kind of is.

     

Like summer's wrapping up.

     

Like it's a perfect transitionition fall movie where it's

     

like you get some giggles, you get some little saddies

     

And that's why I give it a four and a half out of five.

     

I don't think it's a AA blockbuster in the sense of

     

like, you're going to be wowing and talking to all your friends about it.

     

But there's something really special that they captured with this movie

     

and they needed all 27 of those executive producers to do it.

     

It was that last one that just made it.

     

Yeah, it was going to, it was going to fail, and that last one came through.

     

So yeah, four and a half out of five well

     

cast, well directed, uh, a little longer in the tooth, you

     

could make the argument, but I think it was necessary to fully close it.

     

So yeah, that's what I think.

     

And you can find me

     

everywhere at Milkmanmerica and, uh, yeah, thanks for having me back, guys.

     

Any time, Chris.

     

You know that.

     

You're welcome.

     

Anytime to be on this the show to talk about movies of this.

     

I want to say really quick, if you've ever seen for

     

your consideration, they ask one of the characters Jennifer Coolidge played by Jennifer Coolidge.

     

So what does the producer do?

     

She's like, you know, all kinds of things like to buy snacks.

     

I love that.

     

That's such a good movie.

     

If you've never seen it for your consideration.

     

Anyways, thank you, Chris, for that.

     

I appreciate it.

     

Arnold.

     

Let's get you a quick final thought and then you know what comes after that, my friend.

     

Yeah.

     

So, I really thoroughly

     

enjoy this movie. story, true story about a guy

     

who robs, who robbed a bunch of McDonald's.

     

And then and I love how

     

you mentioned that Kristen

     

Dunce, you know, she gets to experience like the

     

highs of what her happiness

     

could be, but then was robbed of that because of, you know, him.

     

And this movie, it really stole my heart

     

And,

     

but definitely high rewatchability.

     

It's up there with the

     

nostalgic feels of Shawshank Redemption and I

     

think HOP mentioned below

     

Johnny Depp.

     

That's another movie that's going on also rewatched

     

many times and kind of had that same feeling

     

minus the drugs and Cartel.

     

I would hope so.

     

The nostalgia of it.

     

Yeah, the nostalgia of it.

     

Yeah, and

     

just like where, how it was shot,

     

it really felt like you, the transition of like

     

from going into fall, then into like the Christmas holiday season.

     

I like those vibes and I love

     

that they really held true to how

     

the story was for very much of how it happened in real life.

     

I think one thing that was not

     

that they changed was towards

     

the end, you know how he's like in the car, whether he's going to go to the airport and

     

how he like, it was like really dramatic. that did not happen.

     

Like that was it was it was it was a very different from what I

     

read about.

     

But, yeah, but you know, Hollywood,

     

they got to do their Hollywood things and I thought it was just

     

it was a really good movie and the

     

shots of Toys of Us and Blockbuster, all those

     

old brands that also brings back those nostalgic feelings.

     

Red Lobster.

     

Yeah, Red Lobster.

     

Oh, man..

     

I missed going there before

     

the one out here in Palm Desert closed last week, so I'll

     

have to try and get some of their cheddar biscuits somewhere or maybe.

     

Texas Roadhouse.

     

Oh, Texas Roadhouse.

     

They have good biscuits.

     

That and actually, you can get their cheddar biscuits sometimes in the grocery store.

     

That's true Ryan Arnold?

     

As I was talking about it, I was like, wait a minute.

     

I think I saw him

     

at the club.

     

Sam's.

     

Better get you should make their cheddar biscuits, Arnold.

     

You should do a video on that.

     

The ultimate dog.

     

That's so true.

     

I should I should do that.

     

I'm up there with my letterbox

     

I should.

     

score with you, Chris, four and a half out of five.

     

There's

     

Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

     

And where good people finding you?

     

I'm Arnie Calego everywhere.

     

Nice.

     

You been posting a lot.

     

Well, Arnold's food stuff lately cooking.

     

I love your food videos, by the way.

     

Yeah.

     

Keep doing that.

     

Oh, thank you.

     

Thank you.

     

So much food that it makes you fall asleep even.

     

Right, Arnold?

     

Yes.

     

Kind of like the Arnold snooze a

     

meter.

     

There it is.

     

All right, Arnold.

     

With the truth, Arnold.

     

Food comatose.

     

This movie, even after a heavy meal.

     

Zero Z rating.

     

Wow.

     

I remember when watching it in the theaters.

     

We went there after dinner.

     

And it

     

was after a pretty heavy meal.

     

and I didn't fall asleep at all already anything.

     

I was I was into it.

     

It was almost kind of at the edge of your seat, kind of sort of.

     

Yeah.

     

I have a question.

     

How do you listen to the radio this day and age in your car?

     

Or where do you go and do that?

     

I've got a radio at my desk at work

     

I don't have it so loud, but I have it just loud enough.

     

It' old school, bro.

     

That's so old school.

     

I love it.

     

Yeah.

     

I mean, Yeah, but we have a radio console in

     

our living room, like the old school with a record player.

     

Oh, that's so funny because like the only place I can think of is in my car radio.

     

I forgot that you can just buy a radio

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

And if you listen to it, streaming,

     

because a lot of the stations, they'll stream it live on online,

     

but then they're usually about a 30 second delay.

     

So if they're like be caller five right now, you're too late.

     

So you're going the old school route because you

     

want to be on that as soon as they say caller number nine and then you He's on the bleeding edge.

     

His caller one, two, three, four, five, six, and eight

     

It happened a couple weeks ago.

     

I had to be call nine.

     

I was a caller two, four, six, and eight.

     

Damn.

     

Oh, no.

     

It was the giveaway there.

     

Oh, no.

     

It was movie tickets.

     

Oh, it was either that or SeaWorld tickets.

     

Oh, they were SeaWorld 2?

     

Wow.

     

Yeah.

     

I don't think the radio stations these days would have the budget for SeaWorld.

     

And you know what's funny?

     

SeaWorld hasn't had the best press.

     

That's true.

     

That's true, yeah.

     

That's true They do.

     

But they have a pretty good, um, uh Halloween Scream,

     

their version of like Halloween Horror Nights.

     

funny Chris,

     

we used to work together and he he knows Daniela in our office.

     

So like a couple weeks ago, it was the week that they were giving away SeaWorld tickets.

     

She comes walking into my office and she sees me

     

and I'm like calling the radio station station.

     

She's like, what are they giving away?

     

I'm like, SeaWorld tickets.

     

She's like, which station?

     

And then she calls and then she gets in and she wins.

     

And like, I'm like, wow. man, how lucky.

     

And here I was trying all week and she walks

     

in my office and I was like, oh, what station to call?

     

What's the number again?

     

Okay.

     

What?

     

Yeah.

     

Call her not.

     

You were caller one through.

     

I used to have really good.

     

I used to have really good luck when I was younger.

     

I grew up outside of Washington, D.C., and I won Billy

     

Joel tickets, Chicago tickets.

     

I won David Bowie tickets when I was young.

     

I don't know how I did it.

     

I was the right caller multiple times.

     

That's awesome.

     

My wife back radio

     

It hasn't gone.

     

I know, but you know what I mean.

     

It's kind of a shell of its former self.

     

It seems not these days, you know, with the internet.

     

I don't know.

     

Everyone's in the vinyl and whatnot.

     

Radio might have like a real big resurgence.

     

We'll see.

     

Yeah.

     

Didn't your wife win, Chris?

     

We've both won stagecoach tickets

     

like three or four years.

     

Oh, wow.

     

It's like, what, like $60000 bucks worth?

     

Jeez.

     

That's.

     

Yeah.

     

I'm going to start listening to my local.

     

Actually, I have an old Zoom player that does radio.

     

Look at I'm start listening to my local station now.

     

Yeah, I'm going to figure out who's getting giving away stuff..

     

I'm going to try to channel Arnold's energy and win some free ships.

     

I went on Amazon for like 20 bucks and you'll be all set and

     

you'll be able to win all the tickets your heart desires.

     

Well, thank you for that, Arnold.

     

I appreciate your insight.

     

Absolutely.

     

And last but not least, you, Adrian, Mr. B. OTZ too big?

     

Yes.

     

Well, you know, I enjoyed this movie.

     

It was a moment.otional, it was funny.

     

It got me in the feels, like we said earlier.

     

I mean, I'm not going to lie.

     

Like it was especially at the end there

     

with Shane Daten's character and just seeing his, you

     

know, reuniting with Kirsten Dun's character at the prison.

     

I was like, man, but it was so well

     

balanced, the humor, the drama, based on a real story.

     

I love the interviews they had at the end with the real life people who are like, yeah

     

he was a nice guy..

     

And even like, they interviewed the real Lee, was played by Kristirsten Dunza.

     

She's like, yeah, like, um, my daughter said, nothing bad to say about him.

     

He was great.

     

He was like a really cool dude to hang out with.

     

so I appreciated that.

     

And just overall, like I said, this movie in like Ral

     

Family, I thought like two good, like, underrated,

     

like dramatic gems that we've talked about that I don't hear enough people talking about.

     

So So thank you, Lisa, for suggesting I'm glad we got to discuss it.

     

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Any final thoughts from the gang?

     

No, I think I might go back and rewatch it.

     

That's cool, yeah.

     

I'll to do the same thing.

     

Arnold, any final thoughts?

     

Usually I' Justin for this, but he's obviously in.

     

I was trying to think of Toys Ar Us's like, you're a big kid now.

     

No, wait.

     

What was that?

     

that huggies?

     

I don't want to grow up.

     

I'm talk the rest kid.

     

That's right.

     

Yeah There you go.

     

Great jingle.

     

I was say a word kid can be a kid, but no, that's Chuck E. Cheese.

     

Yeah..

     

So in the middle of, just rewind and be kind.

     

Yeah.

     

Stop that.

     

There you go.

     

All right, gang