Never Seen It Podcast

     

Time travel movies work best the less you say in them

     

Like, Marty, like, does not change his outlook on

     

what's cool

     

And it's very sexualized

     

But the kind of character that like they don't need to undergo change

     

This is PG-13 right here

     

If it goes on another 10 seconds, I think it may be.

     

Welcome to the Never Seen It Podcast, The only podcast called Never Seen It That's worthorth listening to with us tonight.

     

Mr. Arnie, the One Man Party is here.

     

Arnold Callo, Mr. A Return,

     

former host of the show., a friend of the show, Anthony Gerardi, aka.

     

Toner, my second favorite Italian actor, Bernita Mussolini, of course.

     

And then we have another return special guest

     

Miss Mel, who loves the movies, is

     

at the movies, 300 movies this year.

     

That is crazy.

     

But here she is.

     

Welcome back to the show.

     

And another friend of the show, he's wter, an editor

     

of VFX artist, and a friend of mine, Mr. Jordan Spalding, returns, welcome Jordan.

     

and then there's me, Boots too big, aka Adrian De.

     

And tonight we are discussing back back to the Future

     

ed by Robert Zemeckis, starring Michael J.

     

Fox, Christopher Lloyd, Crispin Glover, Leah Thompson, Claudia Wells,

     

Thomas F. Wilson, Mark McClure, Wendy.

     

I mean, the list goes on.

     

It's a movie about a young man in the 80s, a teenager.

     

Marty McFly

     

is accidentally sent back in time to 1955,

     

inadvertently disrupting his parents' first meeting and attracting

     

his mother's romantic interest.

     

Marty must repair the damage to history by rekindling

     

his parents' romance, and with the help of his eccentric inventor friend Doc Brown

     

returned to 19 1985.

     

So, Jordan, I know that you hadn't seen this movie.

     

I've told you about this for many, many years.

     

Now that you've seen it.

     

First of all, let me ask you, what was your perception of this classic before you seen it?

     

And well, has that changed now that you've watched it?

     

Well, obviously it's totally pervasive through all of culture.

     

It's like everywhere.

     

There's so many references.

     

So for me, coming from like the other end of it, where

     

it's already in culture, but somehow I've avoided being spoiled

     

on the originals, it was very weird to

     

like see all these moments being like, oh, that's where that's from.

     

Like when he's like, why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

     

I've heard that so many times.

     

I didn't know that was from this movie.

     

And obviously like Rick and Morty and everything else.

     

So it was a delight.

     

It was like, oftentimes you see things when it's like groundbreaking

     

It doesn't hold up to like a modern

     

like people's love of it or interpretation or whatever.

     

But like in this case, the original felt like better than all the material that's chasing after.

     

Like, it was an amazing movie.

     

And just, you know, as someone who does VFX, I

     

mean, what did you think of the few VFX shots?

     

Did they still hold up?

     

40 years later?

     

I mean, like

     

Yeah, it was so impressive.

     

Like the discipline that they had to like, not put everything on

     

screen to just like build up to those key moments.

     

And like, oh my God, they saved the best, most

     

complexlex VFX shot for the end of the film.

     

Like the last shot in the movie, which is ridiculous.

     

And I had to scroll back and like

     

and like go through frame by frame and I'm like, okay, the car

     

went behind the tree, the moving tree.

     

And it's like a seamless, I was so impressed.

     

For like 1985, I was like, oh, this is modern

     

films have like not gotten a shot like that right before

     

I agree.

     

Arnold, so you, I know you said you've watched this in bits and pieces in the past.

     

What did you know about the story?

     

Like, what was your perception of Back to the Future?

     

I mean, 40 years, you know, what did you think about?

     

Well, I know about the DeLorean.

     

What is it, the

     

The thing that makes me go on time.

     

Fl capacitor?

     

Flux capacitor, yeah.

     

Like, I've heard of it, but I didn't know exactly what

     

it was, what part was that part in the car

     

Yeah, I knew about that.

     

Yeah, I saw bits and pieces, but never actually sat down and watched it all away from beginning to end

     

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

     

A lot of the things make sense.

     

You got to

     

Pay attention to like how it

     

was Twin Palms like mall and then yeah Lone Palms Mall like little things like that

     

Yeah.

     

Kind of funny.

     

Oh, did you catch the homeless man

     

when he comes back from 1955, the homeless man?

     

Do you know who that is, right

     

So that's the mayor, in 1955, when he

     

sees the mayoral truck with the poster driving by and Times

     

Courthouse Square, that same white guy on that

     

elect me whatever, is the homeless guy that he runs into when he comes back to the future.

     

I didn't notice that.

     

I didn't.

     

It's such a time.

     

They don't really..

     

Back to the present, I..

     

Back to the present.

     

They never address it it directly.

     

It's just a little Easter egg that they give you.

     

That's every single character has some sort of like wrap-up in that.

     

Like every single character is doing something is like alluded to and then paid off afterwards.

     

It's amazing.

     

Yeah, there's no wasted material in this film.

     

Anthony, obviously, you grew up with this as well, I'm assuming.

     

I mean, you did a little rewatch.

     

What's doing to you on the rewatch 40 years later?

     

I mean, this movie, I think, is kind

     

of Spielberg just in his wheelhouse, right?

     

I mean, he's coming off of his.

     

Spielberg has the EP, not the director.

     

Yeah, I know, but like he, you know, he's on set.

     

He's also giving you some ideas and helping run the show, you know?

     

And ILM is doing the special effects here.

     

And so it's just kind of that powerhouse that was Spielberg and

     

George Lucas in some capacityity, like creating things

     

And so this, you know, this definitely just feels

     

reminiscent of that time where we're getting a lot of those movies from these directors.

     

And it's just, it's just fun.

     

It's a beautiful beautiful movie.

     

The special effects and practical effects still stand up really good.

     

You know, there's like miniatures still involved and, and it is fun.

     

Like you said, the Easter eggs that kind of pop up throughout this movie.

     

And then through the next two movies, especially

     

it's just like really great scripting and like really great attention to detail.

     

This is an an all-time classic.

     

I love this movie.

     

Yeah.

     

And Mel, you said you used to obviously grow up watching this.

     

I mean, what are your thoughts about this movie, thinking about it now and the current

     

current time we're in?

     

In my household, we watched maybe like three

     

or four movies one million times.

     

And this was one of those movies.

     

Another one would be like Jurassic Park, 1982, and

     

also The Ten Commandments with Charles Heston.

     

So I saw that one million times times.

     

And Back to the Future is definitely one of those movies

     

I probably watch this movie sporadically,

     

maybe once a year, I saw it like in

     

March this year and I've I must have seen this movie.

     

Yeah, I don't want to say a hundred times, but definitely like several dozen times I have seen this movie

     

And honestly, yeah, like, uh Anthony,

     

you were saying, like the other movies, I like the second one.

     

And I like the third one and people don't be liking that one either, but I

     

know we're just talking about the first one, but I really like that one in that.

     

I like the Western kind of atmosphere with the train is kind of fun.

     

But anyways, we're talking about the first one.

     

This movie is just like super iconic and re-watching it again this year in March.

     

I noticed more of like the set and the

     

special effects.

     

And, you know, they were really doing something.

     

And in 1985, other movies were not doing it like this.

     

Now, let me ask, Jordan, I'm curious, what did you think about Michael J.

     

Fox' Marty McFlock??

     

Could you see anybody else playing him?

     

And I'm going somewhere with this?

     

Okay.

     

I mean, no, he's a great Marty McFly.

     

Like someone who can pull off a last name McFly.

     

Like, come on.

     

I think it speaks to, like, everyone in that

     

movie is like a little ham-fisted in their acting was my takeaway.

     

Like, it's supposed to be kind of a heightened experience.

     

And like, weirdly, I thought I thought George McFlyly was the best

     

actor, like, almost like the most like, like realistic

     

believable human character in the entire movie who goes through like the most kind of like transformation

     

and arc, but like certainly as a character,

     

and I mean that like a caricature, like, no, yeah, that's that's Marty McFly.

     

Absolutely.

     

I don't know if that's because it's like

     

so perceived in the culture of like that kind of

     

archetype, but like, he made that archetype.

     

So, famously, Eric Stoltz originally played Marty McFly.

     

And I don't know if you know who Eric Stoltz is, but he was kind of a method actor back in the day.

     

Never really hit the base, big time, but he was a bit of a method actor.

     

And

     

they filmed about 50 to 80% of the movie and they're like, this isn't working.

     

This is He's too serious.

     

He's too method.

     

And they're like, we we want Michael J.

     

Fox, but then they couldn't get him because he was doing a sitcom at the time called Family Ties.

     

And then they went to the producer of that show, and they're like, listen,

     

like, we need, we need Michael.

     

We need him.

     

And he's like, all right, fine, I'll I'll let you have Michael.

     

But on one condition, he still has to film Family Ties and Back to the Future.

     

So Michael J.

     

Fox was pulling like 18 hour days for, I don't know how many weeks straight.

     

He would fill in family ties during the day, get a couple hours of

     

sleep, go to the Universal a lot and film him back to the future until like 4 or 5 a.m. and then maybe

     

get a couple hours of sleep and go back to the the set of family ties.

     

So they were, they cast him like

     

after they shot a ton of the movie, from what I've heard, from uh,

     

it was what was his name?

     

Thomas Wilson, who plays Biff.

     

He's like, yeah, you can tell because there's shots at me where I look bright

     

eyed and bushy tailed and there's shots at me where I have bags under my eyes.

     

And that's because we were working overtime to refilm almost everything.

     

So

     

just imagine that, you know what I mean?

     

Oh, my gosh.

     

Is the opening scene then that's like the feet coming in?

     

Is that Eric Stoltz footage?

     

I don't know about that shot specifically, but in the diner, Thomas Wilson talks about this.

     

In the diner, when you don't see Michael J.

     

Fox's face, he thinks that's Eric Stoltz, the back of his head

     

And then when they cut back to the other angle, it's Michael J.

     

Foxx.

     

And that's the scene where he says, look look at the shots.

     

Like, you'll see my eyes.. and one, I look fresh and then another shot, and I look fucking like I'm tired as hell.

     

So I know in the diner they used, like possibly shots in Kerkstoltz.

     

Dude, that was back in the era when they did not like retouch people's faces

     

and meet it up.

     

They're just like, here's theter' Make it do.

     

Make it work.

     

I never thought that the EP of a sitcom called Family

     

Ties would have so much pool in hold Hollywood, but, you know, that's Hollywood for you, I don't know.

     

But yeah, Arnold, what do you think about that?

     

Can you see anybody else?

     

I mean, now that you've watched it, you're like, oh, no, it has to be Michael J.

     

Fox.

     

No, no, I mean, I, uh, had actually had the DVD, so I don't have to rent it.

     

Uh, I realized I was like, whoa, I have the set, the trilogy.

     

So, um, surprise.

     

I said, don't know.

     

So I guess I'll I can watch

     

part two and three easilyily.

     

But, I was watching the bonus footage and they were talking about that.

     

He's working, He said his schedule was 10 to six filming family

     

ties, and then right after that, he would go until like two in the

     

morning doing uh, Back to the Future.

     

And he was, yeah, he's like, man, it was really rough.

     

But then.

     

Was the director?

     

Robert Zis?

     

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

     

He said that.

     

He was just like full of energy and so he was like,

     

uh, he would he would come kind of tired, but then he just feed

     

off of his energy and and would be able to work

     

those longer hours.

     

Yeah.

     

We had a big said it was definitely pretty grueling.

     

Yeah.

     

But yeah, really interesting about, you said Eric's thoughts?

     

Eric Stoltz.

     

Stz?

     

He was in a movie called the Elephant Man or the Elephantant..

     

Did you guys He had like a bunch of prosthetics on his face.

     

I don't know.

     

I've never even seen it.

     

It's an old movie.

     

He was in that.

     

Did you guys see Pulp Fiction?

     

Remember the druggie that

     

Remember the druggie, the scene where they go and they stabbed Uma in the heart with that syringe?

     

That dude with the long hair, that's Eric Stoltz.

     

I I don't know if you remembered him in that scene.

     

But yeah, yeah.

     

That's such a minor character, but sure.

     

I don't know that he's been in anything big, like, off the

     

top of my, like, Mel, do you know anything about Eric Stolt?

     

I't seen any?

     

No, I'm looking at his IMDb and, I mean, yeah, I's in Anaconda.

     

He was in 1997 Anaconda.

     

Fiction, The Fly 2.

     

I just recently, oh, yes, he was in The Fly 2.

     

I just saw that again.

     

It was like stoner boat at Fast Times.

     

Oh, was that?

     

You know.

     

When you mentioned Pulp Fiction, I told remember that

     

He was a guy who stabbed his syringe into Uma Thurman's chest.

     

Gosh..

     

I guess nothing too iconic.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

Very iconic too iconic.

     

Yeah.

     

I was I going to say, I was telling Jordan this

     

from a writing perspective, this is like the movie they say, like, study this if you want to be a screenwriter.

     

I mean, it's such a tight script.

     

I mean, Anthony, I know you appreciate good writing.

     

Like, what do you What do you think about this?

     

Is this a good example of your learning how to write?

     

I would say so.

     

I mean, I think it's the attention to detail, right?

     

And so it's knowing your story inside and out so that you can,

     

especially about a film about time travel and the concept of

     

it and how, you know, interacting with the past

     

can impact the future and create time loops on itself, like,

     

it really does try to pay close attention to those details.

     

I mean, I think there are some goofs here and there from what I remember

     

but on the whole, like I think it does a really good job of,

     

of knowing its own universe that it's creating

     

so that they're not tripping over themselves and being like, wait, oh, like,

     

yeah, why didn't we do something that was more convenient that way?

     

It's like, well, you, you had to do it this way or, you know, why

     

you know, like how did Doc survive?

     

It's like, well, you know, he Marty got kind of told him or tipped him off.

     

And so he's like, I'm going to play it cautiously, right?

     

So little things like that that I love.

     

And another fun fact about the scripts as we're

     

talking about it, originally, it wasn't going to be a DeLorean.

     

It was going to be a refrigerator

     

It was going to be the method.

     

Like with wheels or you just get in it?

     

Yeah, well, they scrap that idea, because first of all..

     

Why not a hot tub?

     

Why not?

     

A hot tub time machine?

     

They're like, we don't want kids to get in refrigerators actually, thinking they're going to recreate the movie.

     

So let's not do a refrigerator.

     

Let's have them get a DeLoreans instead.

     

Especially refrigerators from the 50s.

     

Those things, you know.

     

Exactly.

     

You're not coming out.

     

They'll save you from a nuclear blast, though..

     

Yeah.

     

That's

     

Things were made to last.

     

Radiation shielded.

     

Yeah.

     

The DeLorean, by that point, I don't

     

know, you guys tell me, was the DeLorean like the Cybertruck of the 80s?

     

What do you think about that?

     

Fe like it.

     

Well, I feel like the cybertruck was designed as

     

an homage to the DeLorean or just like a clumsy

     

sort of nostalgia looking back at the DeLorean.

     

And the DeLorean Car.any was dissolved by the time this movie came out.

     

Yeah, like totally defunct.

     

It didn't even exist anymore.

     

So

     

interesting that in that moment, they're like, well, let's go with the DeLorean.

     

I don't know, like you could get a more iconic car with the gold wing doors and everything.

     

No.

     

Did't practical for a parking lot.

     

No.

     

Didn't they sell like 100,000 of those after like from the success of the movies?

     

Probably.

     

I I don't know the stats on that, but that sounds right.

     

I know there's like entire like DeLorean collector

     

Oh, there's a club up here in Seattle.

     

people.

     

DeLorean Club?

     

It's like a DeLorean Club, yeah.

     

Do they have a DeLorean Club in Davis.

     

They had like a parade with like seven DeLoreans.

     

They always do like the Fourth of July parade out here.

     

They

     

They're all tricked out.

     

Some of them are like Seahawks. gear.

     

Others like look like the DeLorean from Back to the Future have flux capacitors in them.

     

Nice.

     

So nice.

     

I just saw in Universal Studios when I went to

     

Halloween Horror Nights this past weekend.

     

So they have one out near the

     

Simpsons Land.

     

Yeah, cool.

     

Universal owns several from the original movies,

     

and I read at one point that one of them was like completely like dilapidated

     

and like someone was like, we should fix that up and put it on the back or whatever.

     

Like, yeah.

     

you know, nice respect to to one of the most

     

classic iconic movie cars in existence.

     

When you guys mentioned the Cybertruck

     

at certain angles, does it look like a dumpster to you?

     

Have you seen anything?.

     

Dar near every angle.

     

A stainless steel dumpster?

     

Like a fresh brand new dumpster.

     

All the angles, yeah.

     

Big wheels.

     

I see a ton of them here in Denver.

     

Like, there's so many cyber.bertrucks.

     

But yeah, the script is it was written by Bob Gail.

     

Bob G and Zameckis worked together for many years.

     

And they actually were not doing good career wise.

     

Like when they got to this movie, like they'd made like three movies together and

     

all of them were flops, like all of them.

     

And nobody thought, like, they didn't think they were going to keep working.

     

And then they I don't even know how the idea for this came about, but this movie basically

     

saved their careers for all intens and purposes.

     

I mean, it kind of put Zemeckis on the map.

     

And I don't know.

     

Like we were talking about Spielberg earlier.

     

Like, Jordan, like, do you think, do you sort of see Zemeckis as kind of like a Spielberg?

     

ite, Spielberg 2.0?

     

I mean, what do you think after having seen this now?

     

No, could be.

     

I mean, like, I, like, I was such a Spielberg superst.

     

I mean, I still am, but, like, I read his, like, autobiography and,

     

like studied his like shot structure from a bunch of his his films

     

and like watching just the opening shot from this movie,

     

just the opening series of like panting across the clocks and like the

     

kind of like moving masters is like so Spielberg-esque.

     

I was like, I was like, I know Spielberg didn't didn't

     

direct this, but it feels like Spielberg directed this.

     

like everything, like his cinematographer was involved with it, but it just like

     

feels like Spielberg's method of storytelling and like

     

the precision, like everything in the frame is doing something.

     

It's like adding information.

     

It's not just like a look in the center and here's like a pretty background, like everything

     

is like adding to the story.

     

That's a good point, yeah.

     

And not only does it is it a great shot scene,

     

but it dumps, it plants a lot of seeds, a lot of exposition

     

in those first five minutes away.

     

But it sets up like the clocks.

     

Oh, my God.

     

It has these like, his automated machines that don't really work.

     

Like the whole idea of like the entire like ethos

     

of who Doc is is like that first shot.

     

And then like the news article about the missing plutonium and then like the plutonium under the bed.

     

I was like, holy crap

     

this is amazing.

     

Like, I was not spoiled on that.

     

I don't know, I don't know how, but I was like, this is amazing.

     

Like so many intros to films are just like credits

     

and like some interesting shots with titles and whatever.

     

And this one, like more storytelling happens in the first, like five

     

minutes of this film than like entire films.

     

And this movie an alarm clock and it still works.

     

It introduces the characters, too, without like showing you the characters, right?

     

You're seeing

     

Marty's feet.

     

You're not seeing Doc at all.

     

You're just seeing his apartment and you're like, okay, like, I'm getting the vibe now.

     

The sneakers, the skateboard, like,

     

all the iconic kind of like totems of these characters.

     

The news.

     

The newscast.

     

Yeah.

     

Evidence of the dog.

     

Yeah, the entire story is like placed in front of you.

     

Yeah, yeah.

     

And then it just, you get the satisfying experience of like everything paying off bit by bit.

     

Yeah.

     

Do you think the whole chase with the Libyans in the parking lot,

     

is that, does that not survive 2026?

     

Is that to like, uh, what are what do we think about it?

     

Because I know they've made of Hollywood has had its

     

like terrorist of the week for 50 years.

     

So, like.

     

Hunt for October still works that today.

     

Yeah, yeah.

     

What I'm mad at the Russians a little.

     

It's not like it's not like the movie is like a beautiful,

     

sprawling, like golden city on the hill today, necessarily.

     

But they brought it back in the movie and in the other movies, too.

     

So they kind of picked their own whatever the villains were

     

during that time in the other movies.

     

So it's like, nobody was safe.

     

Yeah, not every movie can use like the Germans as the bad guys.

     

Well, we seem to go back and forth.

     

It's like Germans, it's Russians.

     

Yeah.

     

And then right after 9-11, if you remember if you're old enough to remember, you know what I mean?

     

And then there's like, I don't know, there's other evils

     

in the world besides those three, and then they never get their

     

own movies where they're the bad guys, so curious about that.

     

But you know what I'm saying?

     

There was a time in Hollywood where there was unlimited work

     

if you were brown and were willing to wear a turban.

     

It was a different era for a short period of time

     

That's true.

     

Especially after 9-11.

     

I feel like, I mean we're on the eve of 9-11, but not not to keep hammering on that point.

     

But you know what I mean?

     

Like never forget Adrian.

     

It's stronger that it is.

     

Libyan's, like, today feels kind of unique.

     

Like, it could have just been Nazis.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

Why wouldn't H..

     

Now, go ahead, no.

     

No, it honestly could have been that.

     

That would have said it kind of a different tone.

     

I don't know if they were, you know, because we kind of move away from that, like, quickly after that, right?

     

Like, now we're onto other shenanigans that they're doing.

     

Why are they in the VW bug?

     

It was like the most ridiculous..

     

For the bus, yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah, yeah, the bus.

     

Yeah.

     

If we know anything about terror groups, it should have been like a Toyota Tacoma, right?

     

With like a little machine gun back at 150.

     

Yeah, those are what you see in the footage everywhere.

     

Yeah.

     

You heard about that guy years ago that sold his old like Toyota truck

     

and a truck, right?

     

It was like a little work truck, a little pickup. full numbers open up in

     

Syria or Yemen or some Middle Eastern war..

     

and he knew it was, I forget how they connected it to him.

     

There was some..

     

Like he saw it on the news?

     

Yeah.

     

He was like, Al Qaeda's driving my truck.

     

It still had the business name and his phone number on it.

     

Yes, that's what it was.

     

Al's plumbing.

     

Yeah.

     

Oh my God.

     

How did you sponsor Al Qaeda?

     

Al?

     

You're the Al in Al-Qa.

     

I think it was ISIS at the time.

     

Or either way. ice.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

Not that many, it was my train of thought.

     

No, but we talked about Michael J Fox.

     

Once I about Christopher Lloyd.

     

I can't see anybody doing that role better.

     

I mean, Jordan, you mentioned Rick and Morty earlier.

     

Obviously, there's an inspiration there.

     

What do you think about Christopher Lewis?

     

loyd?

     

I was so surprised.

     

In some ways, he was so like, toned down from

     

like the absolute caricature of Rick.

     

Like my expectations were kind of like through the

     

roof for this person, but he was like, very reasonable and in some

     

ways, almost like the straight man in some scenes and like, the

     

literal physical support for Marty in the background. and like, he gave you

     

like the bug eyes a few times, very iconic but like in

     

some ways I was like, oh, he's so much more like rational and normal for

     

like, for like the idea of mad scientist with like the wild hair.

     

Like he didn't get like that crazy, which was good.

     

I don't think they should have gone to like 12

     

but like, I enjoyed his character, but, but it almost surprised me a

     

little bit that he wasn't like rick levels of insanity.

     

He gets a little bit crazier in the next couple of movies, but not by much.

     

He kind of maintains a level of craziness.

     

Mel, what do you think about Christopher Lloyd?

     

I mean, as someone who grew up with these movies, as well?

     

Oh, so good.

     

This is like, Christopher Lloyd has been in

     

a bunch of movies and a bunch of like older movies.

     

And at the time, he's like

     

the crazy old man scientist, but he's really not that

     

old during this time, but they really did make him look like that, and especially with that hair.

     

The styling of him, I think, is excellent.

     

Like, from the shirts to the

     

hair, to all the little, like kind of like accessories that he had.

     

One look at him, and you're just like, I know where this dude is coming from.

     

Like, what this this dude is

     

So, but I think his performance is just, honestly, I don't think anyone could have done it.

     

And I'm trying to think of like other people that were popular at the time.

     

I mean, we have like Christopher Lee, very popular.

     

I've watched a lot of movies with him recently from the 70s.

     

He gets a little crazy sometimes.

     

But I think Christopher Lloyd, he takes it to like kind

     

of like a fun level, but like you said, he's still like grounded

     

in the reality of like, oh man, we

     

really could be messing things up for real, but also,

     

I'm a little, you know, like to see where things go.

     

So let's kind of like push the limits of some of these things things.

     

So there's that good like balance that he does in his performance,

     

like keeping it not too ridiculous, which would make him

     

it is comic.

     

He is comical, but you understand where he's coming from as well if you were also a mad scientist

     

Do we know why Rick and Morty was inspired by

     

Back to the future,

     

I have a thought, but I'm so interested in other thoughts.

     

I feel like that this iconic duo is

     

like so kind of like out there, so unique.

     

Like they're not family.

     

They're completely different. age ranges.

     

Like the first movie at least never really goes into like

     

how they met or how they know each other,

     

but they just, they just like work together and it's like very honest and

     

like earnest in a way.

     

And so like, I don't know.

     

I just haven't seen like a duo like that that plays it honestly like that.

     

And so I feel like if you're reaching for something like really interesting and unique, you would you would see that.

     

Jordan, do you think that Marty follows the hero's journey in this?

     

I'm curious

     

Just from a storytelling perspective.

     

I mean, I mentioned earlier, I'd have to like simmer on it more,

     

I think, but like, I feel like George, the dad, goes on the hero's journey.

     

And I feel like Marty becomes like a mentor towards him, kind of

     

Like, Marty like does not change his outlook

     

on what's cool or how he should act.

     

He's like a Paddington character.

     

He's like a, I forget the term for it, but the kind of character that like they don't need to undergo change

     

They need to the world around them to realize that

     

they are correct, and that is their mission and goal.

     

And so like the world, everyone else will have to go undergo

     

a hero's journey that they will guide them through or force them. through.

     

Because like Marty, from the beginning, he plays the guitar, he's good at skateboarding.

     

He has, you know, the hot girlfriend

     

He's like a cool kid that everyone respects and looks up to.

     

He'll pick a fight if it's like for the right cause.

     

He'll like work with the scientist.

     

Like there's like from day one, there's nothing wrong with Marty McFly.

     

And at the end, still nothing wrong.

     

And he gets a cool truck.

     

It's not him.

     

It's his kids.

     

True.

     

Oh, yeah, his kids.

     

His kids And George McFly becomes a sci-fi writer.

     

And look at that at the very end.

     

He writes a book.

     

I know you can relate to that, Jordan, so.

     

That's the real, that's the part where you have to suspend your disbelief.

     

He becomes like a wealthy sci-fi author.

     

Well, What do we do?

     

Actually, I think I feel like he's like a wealthy business

     

man executive type who also writes sci-fi as his creative expression.

     

That was my takeaway.

     

Ah, that's interesting.

     

Um Arnold, what do you think about, just tell me about the cast.

     

Who's your favorite character in this, Arnold?

     

I was just going to mention, did, um, the professor,

     

uh, did't he give off like, uh, Kramer from Seinfeld kind of energy

     

With the hair and just just the mnerisms.

     

Yeah, but I could see how Kramer's character is inspired by Doc.

     

So, like a little bit.

     

He's a little gangly.

     

He moves kind of like fast, he's kind of wiry.

     

Yeah, I see that.

     

Now, that brings the question.

     

Can Michael Richards play, Doc Brown?

     

You know, maybe.

     

True.

     

Is he still canceled, though?

     

I don't know.

     

I don't know if he could still get roles in.

     

Did you watch Curb Your?

     

Jerry Sefeld forgave him?

     

They have a whole episode about that if you watch Curb. in one of the episodes.

     

I seen that the seasons.

     

Yeah.

     

Jordan, do you know about Michael Richards and his whole controversy?

     

Yeah, this is his comedy stand-up that went a little haywire.

     

A Little haywire, yeah..

     

Oh, I' nice way to put it.

     

It's a very nice way to put it.

     

The most, yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

I never thought about the, like, yeah, I could see Michael

     

Richards doing some kind of a weird eccentric..

     

I mean, that's all Kramer was, right?

     

He always had some scheme he was working on, some weird thing that was going on.

     

Yeah, I could see that.

     

A lot of left field sort of things.

     

I don't know that he was smart enough to like, you know, split atoms and create time travel, though.

     

I don't know.

     

I feel like you'd really have to like, really suspend your disbelief on that.

     

Yeah.

     

When I told my friends at work that

     

this was going to be the next episode that that we're doing Back to the Fe.

     

One of the first things that they mentioned, they're like, oh, what about the part when Marty wants to screw his mom?

     

And then I was like, like It's the other way around.

     

No, he doesn't want to screw his mom.

     

They're like, oh, you never seen it?

     

And I was like, like, okay.

     

Actually, I wanted to bring this up because

     

this.

     

I watch a lot of old horror movies.

     

from the 80s

     

And it's very sexualized

     

Extremely.

     

The slasher is that it's got to have that.

     

What I like about this movie is that Marty McFly,

     

obviously, that's his mom, was repulsed, disgusted..

     

He was like, oh, no, please get away from me.

     

But she didn't know that was her son, but they didn't go too over the top

     

Like I've seen another movies during that time.

     

Obviously, the rating is different and I think this is PG-13.

     

But still, they probably could have gotten away with more scenes

     

with the more I'm glad they didn't.

     

Is it PG?

     

Yeah.

     

I think this was before PG-13 was a thing, wasn't it?

     

I don't know.

     

Well, and this is like Futurama parodies this as well, right?

     

Like Fry goes back in time

     

and accidentally becomes his own grandfather.

     

Yes.

     

You're right.

     

His grandmother seduces him.

     

I forgot about that.

     

Wow.

     

This is.

     

No, I think you're right.

     

It is PG.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

I think this came out.

     

There was some, I think it was even a Spielberg movie.

     

Wasn't it one of the Raiders movies, one of the Indiana Jones movies that created the

     

PG-13?

     

Yeah, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom in 84.

     

So the year before this came out.

     

Okay, so.

     

Yeah.

     

Hopefully this doesn't seduce anybody.

     

Oh, my.

     

This is a Oh, here we go. 30 minute gyrating hips

     

of Arnold it goes.

     

That should be.

     

It's for his sciatica.

     

Is this

     

It's his sciatica, right?

     

This is PG-13 right here

     

This is at all.

     

If it goes on another 10 seconds, I think it may be more.

     

This is getting to an art rating right now.

     

This is at least dry humping.

     

Speaking

     

of the extremely horny mom who is like on the

     

the hunt, can we talk about the

     

amazing like aging up and aging down

     

prosthetics and makeup they did?

     

Like, I kept I was watching it and I'm like, I know it's the same person,

     

but I still like can't believe it for the mom and the dad.

     

I was like, they did incredible from taking them from like teenager up to like

     

I don't know, like mid 30s.

     

You want to know something funny when I was a kid and I first watched this as

     

a little kid, I thought I thought it was the other way around.

     

I thought it was a bunch of old actors.

     

They de-aged him.

     

They aged down.

     

Oh, wow.

     

Wow.

     

We're still trying to do that.

     

I can tell them know that like when she's like smiling

     

and like doing things, there's like a little bit of unnatural,

     

like push against the prosthetics around around her face.

     

They, like filled her out a little bit.

     

Puff her up a bit.

     

And I think Crispin Glover, too.

     

Yeah.

     

You could tell like Doc Brown's character like, had like extra

     

wrinkles around the neck and like, things like that.

     

And the teacher, the, the.

     

Strick, I don't Mr. Strickland, he has the same same

     

like neck thing to like It looks like a little weird

     

Yeah.

     

Mel, you were saying something?

     

Just about the mom.

     

But no, the prosthetics in this movie are, like you

     

guys are saying, surprisingly very good.

     

And even nowadays... with some CGI

     

CGI de-aging looked terrible.

     

Terrible.

     

Tron Legacy.

     

You know what I'm talking about.

     

That looks bad.

     

Well, women.ron legacy expecting

     

it to be, including the people who made it.

     

No one was like, oh, we're making art bears.

     

They were like, now, what are, I know.

     

Sometimes the practical effect is the way to go

     

And I think they kept it very minimal, too, where it wasn't too over at the top with the wrinkles.

     

It was like a realistic wrinkling.

     

You know what I'm saying?

     

Like super extra wrinkly, like like making it look so distracting on the screen.

     

Because I'll tell you, if it'sboy makeup hair, I'll notice.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

It looks good on the good job.

     

You could get to like hear, and I was like convinced

     

Well, you know who's not.

     

I'm glad you bring this up.

     

You know who's not selling their likeness as Crispin Glover, who plays George

     

McFly, because he famously sued.

     

Well, he wanted more money to come back for the sequels.

     

I, like.., no, it's okay.

     

We'll just cast somebody else.

     

And then they cast somebody else.

     

And they still used his likeness.

     

And he's like, lawsuit

     

And he basically tried to go after them for like using his likeness,

     

even though he wasn't in the movie.

     

He wasn't compensated.

     

But they did they argue that like, well, this is our character, not your likeness.

     

I believe.

     

Yeah, I believe that's what it ended up happening, but it is, he was always an eccentric guy.

     

If you go back and you like YouTube a Crispin Glover interviews on Letterman, like he's a weird.

     

He's kind of like,

     

do you remember when Joaquin Phoenix was being weird on Letterman?

     

Or do you remember when Jared Letter.

     

Well, I guess Jared Let's always weird.

     

He's kind of like Jared Leto of his time.

     

Kind of a weird guy.

     

Weird little guy.

     

Chris Mclover made this movie that you can watch on YouTube, I believe.

     

It's unusual.

     

It's like Nightmare Fuel.

     

Has anyone seen it?

     

I just rememb.

     

I'll find it.

     

No.

     

it?

     

Creepy hair sniffer from Charlie's Angels, you know?

     

Oh, I feel like that's.

     

It's his real house.

     

And like Willard, like with the rats and stuff.

     

Like that's Chris Bung Glover gravitated towards that.

     

Apparently, though, when he sued Universal, he got a $760,000

     

settlement for the like use.

     

In the 80s, what is that, like a million dollars to April?

     

Was Dude in the 80s?

     

That's like $3 million.

     

That's so much cocaine.

     

Universal background?

     

The movie is called What Is It 2005?

     

And this is real.

     

All the actors have Down Syndrome in that movie.

     

Oh, interesting.

     

And they're doing

     

That movie is rated art, okay?

     

Like, that movie is weird.

     

What is it?

     

2005?

     

2005.

     

Interesting.

     

2005.

     

Yeah.

     

I'll have to check that out, actually.

     

Anthony, what do you think?

     

That's very crisp and Glover.

     

Yeah, I mean, like I said, the guy's eccentric, to say the least

     

What's your favorite moment from this movie, Anthony?

     

What's what stands out to you?

     

God, there's so many. since you're not a fan of 80s movies, by the way.

     

Where does this play?

     

Yeah, this is kind of like, this is one of the exceptions.

     

This one is kind of near and dear to my heart.

     

Maybe it's just because it's not like.

     

It's an 80s adventure movie, not an 80s action movie.

     

You know It's kind of like action adventure, but it's like more adventure.

     

You know, it's like in there like with the Goonies.

     

Like I like the Goonies because that's like a fun.

     

I feel like the adventure movies in the 80s were like full of whimsy

     

and playfulness that kind of sprinkled into the 90s

     

But like the action movies are just like huge

     

explosions and like, you know, testosterone and realistically

     

toxic masculinity and like just excessive like blood.

     

Like you get shot and the squibs are like crazy.

     

Some people love that.

     

For me, I'm just kind of like, eh, you know, that's not not the greatest.

     

I feel like the special effects here aren't as cheesy, aren't as dated, right?

     

Because they do lean into a lot of practical effects as well.

     

You know, that's why I think things like Jurassic Park, you know, still hold up

     

all these years later because it was so much, it was a mix of practical and special effects

     

Yeah, my favorite part, I think, for this is probably

     

some of those special effects, which I know ILM talks

     

about hating, but like when Marty starts to kind of disappear, right?

     

Or like when his brother and sister fade out of the picture.

     

Like at the time, you're like, how the hell did they do that?

     

Now it's like, yeah, sure, I can do that really quick.

     

And, you know, just a multi-layer composite in afterffects or in Premiere, no problem.

     

But at the time, using film and like just small segments

     

of the photo, it's like that stuff was, was mind blowing.

     

So that, and again, the continuity of time

     

travel and just getting your brain to go, well, wait, but if that comes back and then it changes it and then it doesn't really.

     

And this is the Easter eggs that lead into that, right?

     

I think like Doc Brown says

     

after Marty tells I' like like, oh, my dad punched Biff.

     

And he's like, did he ever do that before?

     

And he's like, oh, like he realizes it and he's like, all right, whatever.

     

Like, good luck.

     

And so, you know, going back and rewatching the movie

     

and seeing those little Easter eggs sprinkle throughout is also fun.

     

I always interpreted that moment when Doc asked him, he's never stood up to him before.

     

And he's like, no, why?

     

He's like,

     

in my head, it was like, he was thinking, oh,

     

that probably means he's going to like, do that at some point done the line.

     

So now that he's done it once, he might do that again.

     

And I don't know.

     

Like, I don't know if anyone else interpreted it that way, but that's kind of what I saw it.

     

Like, oh, he's like.

     

Like change the trajectory Yeah, the butterfly Potentially.

     

Right.

     

Yeah.

     

I took it as just like a surprise that like Doc had seen Biff and he's like

     

he's like, I couldn't be around that guy for five minutes without punching him in the nose.

     

Just kind of a ridiculous, like, how could you be so soft?

     

How could you?

     

I cannot just like jerk.

     

Yeah.

     

and so yeah, you were saying earlier earlier,

     

Jordan, that, yeah, Marty doesn't have much of a character arc and it works.

     

Everybody else around him, though, seems to have a definite, obvious character arc.

     

Biff, is a good example.

     

He comes back to 1995 and he's running a car

     

maintenance, like, you, service, which is like, okay.

     

And he's kind of the meek and like, you know, right?

     

He's kind of like, uh He's like lost more of his hair.

     

He's like not as like dressed up as he was when he was like a managerial class.

     

Well, he took the loser role now that Marty's family once was.

     

Yeah, he's a little hunched over.

     

He's like like, ah, you got me, which is like in

     

some ways he like the world has set to like where it should be.

     

Like he's like failed to his level of incompetency

     

and it's just like all the, all he could possibly do

     

if if George isn't doing his homework slash

     

his work for him, the most he's capable of doing is like waxing cars.

     

And Marty's family had a glow up. his dad in a glow-up, his mom had a glow-up.

     

Even his siblings have a glowup and his brother is like

     

got an office job and he's wearing the suit, looking like he's going to Wall Street and shit.

     

I thought that was great.

     

I feel like that's like a very traditional, like,

     

patriarchal, like, oh, dad learned to be confident and like take

     

care of himself and ask for what he needs.

     

So not only is he super, not only is he high-powered, but he

     

made sure his children are extremely confident and get what they want

     

now, like the sister has like an innumerable boyfriends

     

which is seen as the success and a good thing.

     

And and the the son

     

is apparently following in dad's footsteps and like working at maybe the same office.

     

Like maybe they're all Nepo babies and somehow I'm

     

like, I'm like, is is Mark Marty the only one who is like, how

     

like, has he changed when he came in?

     

Like, how is he he still the same person he was?

     

He the truck.

     

He's got the truck.

     

He has the truck, which he would have got if he he could have,

     

but isn't it weird that like Marty's the one who hasn't changed,

     

even though like his entire family's ethos has like shifted around him.

     

I feel like that, like, is the multiverse at play, right?

     

And that then is what's kind of the deeper layer

     

of everything of like, okay, well, like, I think that's what Dan Harmon kind of plays with in Rick and Morty is like, okay,

     

What happens in this multiverse of cause and effect

     

you know, if determinism is real, then you

     

just went back and you changed all the things that made you, you, but

     

now you, you know, plopped yourself back in this timeline.

     

You know, then it's kind of like the Marvel stuff, right?

     

Does it split off a timeline here or like now it is that old branch die and you're in a new branch

     

Like there's there's so many fun layers that they then go to explore

     

in the next couple of movies, too.

     

It's also like at the end when he sees, when he

     

like stops and does a double take, it's not like his family that he sees.

     

It's like the living room.

     

It's the furniture in the living room where he's like, holy crap, we're rich.

     

And like it plays it.

     

I thought it was so interesting.

     

It plays it as like a positive ending.

     

Like, oh, isn't this great?

     

Like, now you get to be in a wealthy family.

     

But like

     

culturally still, he's been like thrust out of his

     

like normal that he understood class.

     

He's middle class.

     

Yeah.

     

And now he has to like catch up and become like an upper

     

class kid and talk with like upper class neighbors and whatever.

     

I feel like that's going to be like a big transition for him.

     

I don't know if they explore that in the second movie or not.

     

They definitely don't.

     

I mean, there's I think there's a lot of stuff that those

     

you know, outside bound thoughts of time

     

travel and and what it fully creates, you know,

     

you sit there and you think about like, hey, does, like you said, like now he,

     

he would have grown up a different kid.

     

So all of his memories

     

are of a life that didn't exist, right?

     

So like, what memories does his parents have?

     

Do his siblings have with him that he's not sharing now because he didn't experience it?

     

Or when he comes into that reality, does he now remember all those things too, right?

     

Like, or is he slowly going to remember it and meld with that version of Marty?

     

question, right?

     

Time travel movies work best the less you say in them

     

less you like explore the implication rules and structure you give the universe.

     

And this one, the few things that like make are

     

consequential are solved correctly.

     

And they don't have to like fudge anything.

     

So I feel like it does really well for a time travel movie, but you never get a time travel movie that like totally works.

     

I never thought about what you were saying earlier, Jordan, about,

     

like the dad's confidence inilled confidence in his kids and stuff

     

And like, I never even thought that that's probably why

     

the brothers got the office job when he's wearing the suit and the sisters

     

like dressing nicer and has like boyfriends

     

that are back and call. and even the mom like looks

     

happy and like healthy and stuff.

     

And like, oh my yeah, like, I guess your personality can affect

     

like those around you, like and I never thought about that with this movie, so that's an interesting

     

perspective to hear.

     

And it's actually funny.

     

That's why you should watch the next two movies, because you'll see how that kind of gets turned on.

     

I know, people don't like the third one.

     

I love this.

     

That's what I was saying.

     

I love the one.

     

I don't care.

     

I think the third one I don't it''s my favorite.

     

It's.

     

I don't even like Western things, but I love the third one.

     

I like the futurism and the second one, but it

     

does kind of rehash some of the things we've seen in the first one.

     

It's kind of like one

     

plus future cyberpunk.

     

So that's what two is.

     

I like the thing way better.

     

It's all right.

     

It's way more original.

     

Way more original than the Cyber.

     

Because if you're going to have a time machine, why go back 30 years?

     

You know what I mean?

     

Like, go back to the signing of the Declaration of Independence or go back to

     

I don't know, Colonial France or something when Marie Antoinette was getting her head chopped off.

     

Like, I like I would like to see that as a.

     

History buff.

     

You know what I mean?

     

He starts with like, let's see the birth of Jesus or

     

the founding of the country, you know, like, as like random examples.

     

And also 30 years in the past.

     

Arbitrarily.

     

When I invented time travel.

     

It's more like in the third one, you have like kind

     

of like a more growth with Doc going on where you're

     

saying like Marty and Doc, kind of like constants, they

     

kind of like don't evolve too much as characters, like some

     

other ones that need to for the story.

     

But in the third one, Doc really gets like a lot more growth to try to like

     

settle down a bit because he's a bit nuts.

     

Yeah, I agree.

     

The third one, the third one's really good.

     

They shot two and three back to back.

     

Oh, I don't like Lord of the Rings, if you know anything about that.

     

Like, they shot him like literally back to back.

     

I think Zim was flying from Northern California where they were filming

     

three, going back down to Southern California to do post on two

     

and then just doing that back and forth.

     

So it's like, I don't know if that's still happens today, but it seems like back

     

in the day there was just like a crazy gauntlet of production going on between any given movie

     

going into this, everyone that I was talking to, they're like,

     

oh, part three, like they didn't really like it.

     

Everyone else that I was talking to about it.

     

And now and I was thinking like, oh, what is it with a part three?

     

of movies, you know, Godfather III people are like,

     

oh, don't even bother watching that.

     

Home Alone 3 It's like, meh.

     

But no, this is the first time I've I've been hearing it Home

     

Alone 3 is not Home Alone in in my books.

     

Yeah.

     

Not at all.

     

Was not Home Alone without Trump?

     

Yeah, exactly.

     

Was Alien Cubed Alien 3 with

     

a good fit to Ali?

     

3 is crazy.

     

No, the The first two were a good LinkedIn,

     

like small, like, horror whatever, and then expanding and

     

bringing it into the rest of the world, like the logical conclusion.

     

And three is just like, off the wall.

     

50 Sigourney Weavers.

     

See, that that's the thing.

     

Like, the third movie is always hit or miss.

     

Like, Godfather 3.

     

What is that?

     

Come on.

     

Okay, name a good third movie.

     

You know what I mean?

     

Name a Potter, Prisoner of Vin.

     

Yeah, Return of the King.

     

Return the King here, Ret of the King. a Tokyo Drift.

     

That one is just iconic.

     

What do you think of my Tokyo Drift?

     

Are any of them good or are they just iconic?

     

I liked it.

     

For a lot of other people, that was like their favorite one.

     

Jurassic Park 3.

     

No.

     

Better than the Jurassic World movies that though.

     

Let's be honest.

     

That's didn't know what we had.

     

I know we were complaining about Jurassic Park

     

3 and we got these world ones, and that third world one,

     

I could do with without all those world ones, dude.

     

I didn't even watch the last world ones, the last two world ones.

     

I was like, I'm done.

     

I want, I have good Jurassic Park.

     

I will preserve those memories.

     

I'm not interested

     

in what they're doing now.

     

Yeah, what's a The Dark Knight Rises wasn't good as The Dark Knight.

     

No way.

     

It was good.

     

That was the weakest of the three.

     

Indiana Jones, Last Crusade, Sean Connery is in it?

     

Come on.

     

Yeah, I was I like that one.

     

That was Sean Connery.

     

Star Wars?

     

The third one of the Jedi was gay.

     

Wait, wait.

     

Yeah.

     

You mean 61?

     

Six?

     

I would say three is the strongest of the prequels.

     

I agree.

     

Revenge of the Sith is the strongest one, I think.

     

It has the best pacing.

     

I feel like the first two.

     

And the best score.

     

And the best score is amazing.

     

No Jar Jar Binks in that. one.

     

He's in it, but he doesn't really talk much.

     

No.

     

Yeah, like a player.

     

He's like a little sick Lord in the council.

     

Single-handedly hands over the Republic to the Empire, I believe.

     

That's his only role in the third movie.

     

I know, right?

     

Arnold, who's seen all the Star Wars face.

     

So anyways, Tokyo Drift, Arnold.

     

Tokyo Drift, yeah, yeah.

     

Disney should leanan into the what if

     

ideas and make a Darth Jar Jar movie.

     

Fuck it.

     

Just do it.

     

Just make a Darth Jar.

     

I watch that.

     

I'd watch that a lot of that.

     

They say you just see.

     

s.

     

There's a lot of evidence to suggest that on the internet.

     

Like, look up a YouTube video.

     

People compile things.

     

Exactly. speaking of what

     

ifs there's a part in the movie back to the Future where

     

the dad's at the dance and he's trying to, he's hoping to

     

connect him with his mom.

     

But then the guy he cuts in and he's and he's dancing with her.

     

And then that's when he like slowly fades away.

     

a differenterent ending, different ending.

     

What if he just never dances with him?

     

And then Michael J.

     

Fox is he dies and then would be the end of the movie.

     

So it's all

     

That would be so, that's so bleak.

     

But they had to dance and they had to have True Love's

     

first kiss at that dance or something, right?

     

You know?

     

They had to have it.

     

You know, I will say like Toy Story II, that's a strong three thirdird movie.

     

Yeah, that's a decent three.

     

I would have had respect.

     

I would have had a lot of respect for Disney if they'd killed them off

     

at the end there when they're in that furnace.

     

Seriously, I know.

     

In the furnace.

     

There's

     

But I would have gained so much respect like, all right, Disney, and I see your kid..

     

They as shit.

     

Respect.

     

Yeah, yeah Resp.

     

I think they wanted money more than respect, actually, Adrian.

     

These kids don't know anything like a Lambefore Time or

     

a Bambii or a little toaster that could.

     

Some traumatic movie.

     

Tr.

     

We're not killing Disney moms anymore.

     

No?

     

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

     

We need to get.

     

They have all their parents now.

     

Yeah, what the heck?

     

Disney mom's all alive.

     

Every year, they're just making the Disney moms hotter.

     

What are they doing?

     

Yeah.

     

We used to give them tube stubs.

     

Now we give them hips.

     

Yeah, exactly.

     

They used to be killed off screen and then now they're

     

they could be in the cover of a magazine.

     

Now they're they're killing it on screen.

     

Yeah, they're killing it on screen.

     

Yeah.

     

I've never thought about that.

     

That's true.

     

They used to have like, the parents get off and

     

and then that's that's the trauma for the main character's journey and stuff.

     

And they don't do yeah, you're right.

     

They don't do that.

     

What was that movie become?

     

Because, I mean, they were pulling a lot of from like the Grimm fairy

     

tales and and things like that, which established that just as canon.

     

You start with dead parents.

     

Yeah, you're right now you know, and they were written during the plague.. in the.'s a lot of dead parents.

     

That was that..

     

That Pixar Disney movie with the dinosaurs and the dad dies in the beginning.

     

I think it was just called dinosaur.

     

What was that called?

     

Dinosaur?

     

Yeah.

     

I don't know if you guys ever saw.

     

I remember seeing that in theaters.

     

It disturbed me.

     

I was thinking maybe the Lambefore Time, but that's a callback to another.

     

It's like VHS the gritty

     

deconstruction of Land Before Time is what that was.

     

I just got a little foot plush

     

from like 97?

     

No, I'm sorry, 94, I think.

     

Yeah, I had to get it on eBay because I collect small plushes.

     

Oh, nice.

     

What's your prize possession in terms of plush?

     

Yeah, I was about to ask.

     

Oh, maybe my wishbone.

     

He's so cute.

     

Let's see.

     

He's from 97.

     

Yeah, Wishbone isn't fun.

     

Nice.

     

So cute.

     

Literary dog.

     

Auttic.

     

Yeah, authentic.

     

Wishbone.

     

I still had my Donato from when I was a kid.

     

My kid has it now, and he just leaves it on the floor.

     

Oh, I mean, I just recently bought these.

     

These are not for my my childhood.

     

Oh, goshcha, gotcha..

     

Yeah, they're not from my childhood.

     

I'm buying.

     

My Leonardo cereal bowl that came in

     

in the cereal box.

     

I still use it every now and then.

     

Hell yeah.

     

Nice.

     

You know, that does make me in this movie, which

     

they do in a lot of movies now, especially at like a movie like this,

     

PG, there was nothing like cute cute and marketable that they couldn't have made like a plush out of.

     

Like there wasn't like a cute, you know what I'm saying?

     

Like

     

The Mandalorian, you have Grogu.

     

You have so many movies, like a cute, a cute thing.

     

This movie does't have that.

     

So I feel like the merch quality is.

     

Would you like incest mom?

     

I Horny incestual mom as a plus?

     

Yeah, you more saw like the Doloreorean was kind of

     

the thing or the skateboard. like skate vest.

     

Puffer vest.

     

Yeah.

     

I guess the hoverboard kind of comes more of a thing in the

     

next one, but Yeah.

     

Oh, that's really.

     

The high in this one.

     

Like Marty McFly on the hover vest.

     

Yeah, that's like the next.

     

It's like marketed now.

     

Yeah, you got like little figurines.

     

That's what people will collect, I think.

     

And the car, the DeLorean, for sure.

     

I could see a plush dog, a dog brown

     

with the hair, you know, just sticking out.

     

Oh my gosh.

     

It's so cute.

     

Yeah.

     

Lap. coat.

     

Could be Einstein.

     

Like, you could do a Plush Einstein.

     

That's E. Einstein from Oppenheimer.

     

No, no, no, the dog in this movie...

     

He got more screen time in the third one.

     

Oh, that's right.

     

Yeah.

     

I love that whole, that whole scene where he's

     

at Lorraine's house and then he sees their little brother in the

     

pen, the baby pen thing, whatever.

     

And he's like, you better get used to this, kid.

     

And she's like, he loves being in in his little crib thing.

     

He cries whenever we take him out, so we just leave him in there all the time.

     

So, Marty, I heard you're hungry.

     

And it's like, who is this lady?

     

It was an amazing scene that was so ridiculous.

     

It's like fourway, too.

     

It's like not necessary for the plot in any way, but it's just like such a deep cut.

     

I love the little kid, the little kid actor.

     

He's like, what's a rerun?

     

He's like, oh, you'll find out.

     

You have two television sets.

     

He's teasing.

     

Nobody's got two television.

     

You must be rich or something.

     

He says like he's dying.

     

You got to be rich.

     

But the best part for me was, who the hell is John F. Kennedy?

     

I was like, oh, that was so good.

     

He just stares at him with content and he's like like, and he just keeps his dinner.

     

But yeah, before we wrap it up, what's our favorite moments?

     

We'll go around the room, Anthony.

     

Surely you have a favorite moment, whether comedic or otherwise.

     

Oh, you know, I think

     

Christopher Lloyd kind of steals the show in this movie for me.

     

I think his performance is just on

     

the cusp of wackies, zany, foolish, and brilliance, right?

     

And like knowing that I think this came out like a

     

year or two before Who Framed Roger Rabbit and

     

like his villain arc that he does that. lot of traumatizing performance.

     

Yeah, right?

     

But like you can see kind of elements from both, or like,

     

you know, in similar characters, that kind of wackiness and,

     

you know, even like the gruff in his voice that he speaks with is kind of in both characters

     

So I feel like just this movie

     

really kind of encapsulates Christopher Lloyd in his prime

     

acting stage of his life.

     

I mean, he's still doing great things, but,

     

you know, like I think right before this, he did a clue, and then he does this.

     

He does from Roger Rabbit, he does the next two of these.

     

Like, it's just really peak Christopher Lloyd.

     

Don't forget

     

one flew over the cuckoos next.

     

That was early early, right?

     

That was earlier, but yeah..

     

Taxi Ti.

     

Yeah.

     

And so, so I think that's kind of my

     

favorite thing in this movie is just that and like the dynamic between

     

Marty and Doc.

     

Like, I think it's it's a fun buddy dynamic

     

that is so weird because it's an old guy and like a high

     

school kid, but it just, it again, plays into that whimsy

     

that was the 80s and it going into the late 80s.

     

So, yeah, I would say the character of Doc and Chris

     

Christopher Lloyd's portrayal is probably my favorite thing in the movie.

     

Nice.

     

Jordan, what was, what was your key, someone had never seen it before?

     

What was your favorite moment that stood out to you?

     

Oh my gosh.

     

Like the clock tower and the the wire that unplugsged.

     

I was on the edge of my seat.

     

I was like, holy shit, how is the tension so high?

     

And he gets the one plugged in and the other end unplugsged.

     

He's like,

     

And I was like, I was like, I didn't know if they solved it or not.

     

So I was 100% on the edge of my seat for that entire scene.

     

And I'm like, how is the tension ramped up so high and it's still going?

     

Like the last minute?

     

Yeah, just an incredible scene.

     

An incredible outra.

     

I was like, I have no idea what's happening, but this is amazing and

     

ridiculous and like so true to the character.

     

I love that the courthouse square is such a character in itself in this movie.

     

Like, this is a piece of backlot Universal

     

Studios history that's been around for decades, upon decades, hundreds of movies, shows

     

commercials have been shown there.

     

But in this movie, I feel like it gets the most screen

     

time and it gets the most character development,

     

even in, not just in this movie, by the way, but in the next two movies as well.

     

Like, what an iconic backlot facade, you know what I mean?

     

That it was never even originally built for this movie.

     

Like, it was just been there for decades.

     

Like I said.

     

It was incredible.

     

I mean, like to some degree, you felt maybe like some

     

budget limitations, like everything happens in this

     

one place over and over again to the point that I started to like notice it, like, did this need to happen here?

     

But here we are.

     

But yeah, it's definitely iconic.

     

It feels like the movie.

     

Like that movie defined that space.

     

Absolutely

     

Arnold, what's your favorite moment from Back to the Future?

     

He's checking all of the sources.

     

No, I'm just kidding.

     

Well, yeah, I was checking the the special chat, you know.

     

Private Oh, that's chat...

     

you guys mentioned, I loved all that.

     

I was sitting at the edge of my seat as well.

     

It was just very, I was really into it.

     

But, well,

     

one of the things that I was I was just thinking about and I kept

     

laughing about was like, so the dad, just

     

his goofiness at the beginning, how he's like,

     

like his laugh was, I thought was hilarious.

     

And then you come to find out that like.

     

they married.

     

I get oil in that hair, dad.

     

Sorry.

     

They got married because he got

     

hit by by her dad.

     

Her dad hit him with the car.

     

Yeah.

     

And he's like, how

     

how did that come about?

     

And it comes out, find out later that he

     

was climbing a tree with binoculars.

     

And he who was he trying to like, like look at?

     

Was it that It was Lorraine while she was aring.

     

Yes.

     

Yeah, he was being a nerve.

     

It was in that act.

     

He's being a creep.

     

In that hack that he was, that's how he got hit.

     

And I thought that was hilarious.

     

I thought the dad later is like, what were you doing in the middle of the street a kid of your age?

     

I'm like, kids are always in the street.

     

What are you talking about, bro?

     

Like bird watching?

     

Birdw?

     

What the binoculars.

     

That's a blue tharted, a blue-throated.

     

What is it Jordan?

     

A yellowouse?

     

A-ed blue warbler.

     

Yeah, that's what he was.

     

Except they're in California, so they don't have..

     

That's an eastern warbler.

     

This is in California, so

     

actually, so, yeah.

     

So would that Maybe he was looking for like a juniper titmouse.

     

Yeah.

     

Exactly.

     

Well, a bush looked at better note, for me,

     

Inside a house.

     

Inside a house.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

That's a good moment, Arnold.

     

That's a good fun moment from that.

     

Mel, what was one of your favorite moments from this movie?

     

I like the scene a lot.

     

Well, I like, I feel like the music soundtrack in the movie is like very iconic.

     

They pick songs that's just like, you hear it and you're like, that's back to the future

     

But when Marty is doing, like

     

taking over the band in the under the sea dance, that's just so fun.

     

It's almost like a musical movie. musical moment,

     

like in a musical, like a movie, like almost, like borderline.

     

No one is singing, obviously, like their emotions, but

     

man, it was just, I always really liked that part because everyone's

     

like, yeah, we could get, we could dance a little bit less stiff over here, have some more fun music.

     

I was going to say that's that's probably the highlight for

     

me is that whole Johnny B good sequence and I another

     

little throwaway thing where it's like, hey, you knew that that new sound you're looking for listening to this.

     

And then

     

like, even that, it's just just like, it's not even, it

     

doesn't add anything to the story, but it's a fun little thing.

     

So same from email.

     

That's one of my favoritees.

     

I like that part.

     

So yeah, great movie overall.

     

That's Back to the Future.

     

I really think you should watch the next two movies

     

Jordan.

     

you know, just to be a completionist.

     

Oh, Oh, I'm going to.

     

Yeah, you'll, you'll, you'll see how things turn

     

out and what is the set.

     

Exactly.

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah.

     

You should binge these movies.

     

So, um, and then, yeah, the music is great.

     

Huey Lewis is great.

     

Huey Lewis, by the way, plays

     

one of the guys in the beginning of the movie when he's auditioning for Battle of the Bands.

     

The guy that says that's's too loud or whatever.

     

That's Huey Lewis himself, I believe.

     

So, yeah, lots a little interesting.

     

Oh, and just be just know, Jordan.

     

They recast the girlfriend character.

     

So, okay.

     

That's Int interesting.

     

But they recreate that.

     

So the last scene is where the first scene in the next movie picks up, and you'll see what I'm talking.

     

It's good stuff.

     

But yeah, that's back to the future.

     

Interesting.

     

Okay, okay.

     

I think let's go around just quick, quick.

     

final thoughts, if any, if not, give your socials and we'll go from there. anything else start with you.

     

Yeah.

     

So I, you know, this movie is a solidid five out of five for me.

     

I think it's fun.

     

I think it stands the test of time visually.

     

You know, there, there's not much

     

wrong with it that I think is going to get it canceled

     

that I've seen, like tone-wise.

     

It's managed to hold pretty steadfast there as well.

     

There's even social commentary.

     

He tells the one black character, oh, a black mayor, that'll be the name.

     

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

     

Well, they touch on racism a lot there, like throughout the movie, too.

     

Like at the end when like the, you know, three of Biff's buddies

     

are chasing Marty in the car and they're like, oh, like, you spook or whatever.

     

And they're like, who you call it a spook?

     

And like, all these guys get out. and you're like,

     

Peckerwood.

     

Yeah, Peckerwood, yeah.

     

That was the first time I learned like Peckerwood's like a racial slur against white people.

     

I never like that before this movie.

     

And yeah, so like that was fun to see throughout that.

     

But I like I said, I love the attention to detail with

     

the time travel and how I feel like they really try

     

to tie up any loose ends and how it continues

     

through the next two movies as well and great callbacks to,

     

you know, previous movies in the later two movies

     

It's just a fun movie.

     

You feel good.

     

The soundtrack is super fun as well.

     

I also feel like there's almost a

     

Mandela effect tied to this movie where people remember a

     

different song than back in time.

     

Really?

     

Yeah, like similar to Lewis.

     

I don't know.

     

I feel like I've heard it as well, but so that's another like fun little

     

thing that gets tied in with this movie sometimes.

     

I mean, how this movie was so iconic that they made a ride at Universal for it, you know?

     

Love the ride.

     

That stood for years.

     

So solid five out of five for me.

     

so much rewatchability.

     

I probably watch this movie every couple of years.

     

So fun film.

     

Nice.

     

Where can people find you?

     

Abs can if they so dare. here sometimes.

     

In person.

     

Are you still laying low on digital?

     

No, I am so totally disillusioned with social media.

     

I fully believe in the dead internet theory.

     

So it's all bots talking to bots

     

Jordan, yeah.

     

What's your final thoughts?

     

What's your final rating?

     

We' find you.

     

You know, Anthony may have gave it a five out of five, but I give it a 10 out of 10.

     

I think, yeah, I don't know.

     

It's it's totally iconic.

     

It's like such a perfect movie.

     

I was like laughing out loud.

     

I'm alone here in my temporary apartment in

     

D.C and I was just like loving every minute of it.

     

It was such a great experience.

     

I texted you, Adrian, this right after I finished it.

     

I was like, if more people made movies like this, I would watch more movies

     

So, yeah, it's just unbeatable.

     

I can't wait to watch the next two.

     

Thank you for hounding me for a decade to watch this movie.

     

Absolutely.

     

And a decade ago was 2015, which is

     

when the next movie takes place, so that's going to be interesting.

     

Where can people find you, by the way?

     

Where can they check out your writing?

     

Oh, anything?

     

Yeah, I'm JP.

     

Spalding on blue skyy, Jpspalding.com.

     

I'm on substack.

     

I write funny little flash fiction stories.

     

I rant about books.

     

I talk, I sometimes complain about VFX when I'm doing a lot of VFX.

     

Like right now, this is the season for me.

     

So yeah, at JP Spalding

     

I'm on Instagram, but if you find me, good luck.

     

Nice.

     

Ally.

     

Mel, Final thoughts. final rating.

     

Where can people find it?

     

I would say my rating, I do the Mel movie style, a very high recommendation

     

So that's going to be, this movie is very rewatchable.

     

The time. is very good.

     

These are like things I always comment on movies.

     

The timing, like the minutes of the movie is good.

     

It's not too long.

     

It's not too short.

     

We get our complete story.

     

It doesn't feel like it dragged anywhere..

     

The momentum is going the entire time and the pacing is good.

     

So I'm going to give this movie a high recommendation for anyone to watch

     

And like, Anthony was saying very very rewatchable.

     

So that's, if I've seen a movie more than one

     

time, that just got to say something because I watch a lot of movies and I watch a lot of bad movies.

     

So,

     

um, but if you want to follow me, I am Melmovie reviewer

     

on YouTube, IG and TikTok.

     

You can find me on Letterbox as well.

     

I watch a lot of movies that people have never seen or have heard of.

     

And some iconic movies like these one.

     

So.

     

Well, we still got to do alocalypse.

     

That's got to be next.

     

Oh, no, we're doing that.

     

I need to watch that.

     

I think there's more than one alpaca, so I'm very happy.

     

The alpaca trilogy?

     

Yeah, I want to check that.

     

Third one's the best one.

     

All righty.

     

Arnold, let's get your final thoughts, and then, you know what comes after that, my friend?

     

Oh, yeah.

     

I mean, I thought it was a really great movie, and I'm

     

glad that it took the podcast for me to sit down and watch it from beginning to end.

     

Like, like I mentioned before, I hadn't seen bits and pieces

     

of the movie when it was being shown on

     

like AMC or TV somewhere or somebody playing it.

     

But, yeah, a really great movie.

     

I love how, I mean, you pay attention to all the little details

     

and and just, you know, butterfly effects sort

     

of things. like, one thing can

     

change the going back in time can change the future of so many things.

     

And I just thought thought it was really cool.

     

And for that, you know, that alone, I kind of want to, I did rewind it a little.

     

Like after we finished watching the movie, I watched it last night

     

and there was a few parts that we rewinded it too.

     

And and just to kind of like, oh,, okay, now that makes sense.

     

And, oh, um tab, they

     

didn't know what that soda is.

     

I don't free remember that.

     

But

     

Is tab still around?

     

Yeah.

     

Is it?

     

Isn't it?

     

It might be.

     

Maybe it's not.

     

I agree with you guys.

     

Very, very high rewatchability.

     

I own the trilogy.

     

So I don't had to rent it.

     

I can rewatch it whenever I want.

     

So no excuse.

     

Definitely we'll watch

     

the next ones.

     

And this one, I give it a a four?

     

I mean, I'm pretty sure it might go up to a four and a half out of five letterbox rating.

     

But I understand

     

why it's such a classic.

     

And especially at that time, how

     

it would have inspired Universal Studios to make a ride out of it and, you know,

     

Love the ride.

     

they do that?

     

The ride's gone too now, I believe

     

it was replaced by the Simpsons.

     

Something like that have to be replaced, I. It's been a while.

     

I think Simpsons has gone now..

     

Oh, The Simpsons Simpsons.

     

They're going to replace it with Pokemon coming up pretty soon.

     

Oh.

     

I mean, that's pretty cool.

     

Does Universal have like a thing with Dinto?

     

Because they got Mario Land there and not Pokemon.

     

It must have kind of a licensing agreement.

     

AB. They've got it.

     

Interesting..

     

Isn't Universal making the Mario movies?

     

And yeah, well, no.

     

Yes.

     

Elination is under the

     

Dreamworks umbrella, which is under the Universal umbrellas. like that.

     

Who knows these companies.

     

It's one of the four companies.

     

It's one of it on Earth.

     

Disney doesn't own them yet?

     

Yeah.

     

Yeah, weird.

     

It's Disney or not Disney?

     

When did the major banks start buying up all the legacies media?

     

Like when do we get like, like Universal sponsored by Bank of America?

     

You know what I mean?

     

Like eventually that's going to happen, right?

     

Yeah Very soon.

     

Yeah, yeah.

     

Yeah..

     

Sponsored by Wells Fargo or something

     

I'm just waiting for you.

     

Wells Fargo sponsored by Disney.

     

Oh, the other way.

     

Oh, so damn.

     

Oh, that makes more sense.

     

That makes Maybe they'll bring back tab,

     

which, by the way, Arnold, ended in 2020.0, so I never had tab.

     

Did anybody else have tabs?

     

Wow, that

     

recent, huh?

     

I want Pepsi to bring back Sierra Miss.

     

I don't know what the story starry thing is.

     

I want Sierra Miss, damn it.

     

That's what I want to come back.

     

So Anyways, Arnold, thank you for that.

     

And I think, you know, what comes next, my friend.

     

It's time for the Arnold

     

Stoozzy meter.

     

All, Arnold.

     

Well, Arnold, it's that time of the.

     

Oh, I I did not mean to click that twice.

     

Sorry.

     

What's more with feeling.

     

All right.

     

What's your snooze score?

     

Snooze score?

     

Hold on.

     

Give it.

     

Oops.

     

Ooh.

     

ZeroZ rating.

     

That's a good one.

     

That's a good one.

     

I was actually really tired yesterday watching that.

     

And there was a

     

a few parts where

     

no, I was getting really, really sleepy.

     

But it was just because I long weekend

     

Labor Day weekend, Busy,

     

busy and fun fun and then work yesterday.

     

And so

     

but I, but I pulled through.

     

And then actually there was probably, that's probably one of the reasons why we also

     

rewinded to a few parts because my wife was, she was like, oh yeah, we're talking about it after.

     

And she's like, well, you don't remember that?

     

And then, so we, we rewind it

     

a little bit and then then it made sense.

     

I was just, uh, yeah, just, it's in your defense.

     

This is one of those movies that gets better the more you watch it because

     

you pick up on things that you're like, oh my God, I didn't even notice that the first time I saw it.

     

Of course.

     

Of course they didn't at that, you know, Totally, totally feel that.

     

And yeah, I I think I will

     

the next time I do watch it, next time I do watch it, I'll pick up on more.

     

But, yeah, Zero You can find me anywhere.

     

Mostly on Instagram and TikTok, Arnie Kalego, and

     

find me on there cooking.

     

No Cooking and working.

     

All righty, Arnold.

     

Well, thank you for that.

     

Yeah, absolutely.

     

Last but not least, BOTZ too big.

     

Well, you know, thank you.

     

Yeah, this movie is one of those movies.

     

I mean,, it's up there for me, Jurassic Park, Star Wars, the Indiana Jones movies,

     

pretty much anything by Spielberg and Zemeckis, you know, especially in that era

     

this trilogy and and and then the fucking Planet of the Apes movies.

     

I mean, that's all I watched as a kid, apparently, for some reason.

     

And yeah, so this is just one of my top movies of all time.

     

Michael J.

     

Fox is great, Christopher Fox.

     

You know, the entire cast is a banger, you know, and Zemeckis, like I said, Spielberg Light.

     

I don't know what happened somewhere in the early 2000s, he kind of like went

     

off a cliff a little bit, but, you know, it is what it is.

     

If he'd only made Back to the Future, like he would have gone down as a legend, I think

     

But, yeah, contact, great movie,

     

Roger Rabbitit, like you said, Anthony, Christopher Lloyd in that, Completely different.

     

You cannot typecast that, man.

     

And he was so scary in that fucking movie.

     

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