In this Comic-Con-themed bonus episode of Never Seen It, we dish on the chaos of Jurassic World: Rebirth, the magic of San Diego Comic-Con, and the state of pop culture today. From mutated dinos to SDCC secrets and celebrity run-ins, we go full nerd mode. 🦖🎟️💬
In this special edition of the Never Seen It podcast, the crew trades their usual movie deep dive for a free-form, fast-paced, laughter-filled convo on all things pop culture, Comic-Con, and nostalgia 🧃🧋🎬.
We kick things off with some cheeky boba banter 🥭 and quickly veer into a breakdown of the latest dino-disaster, Jurassic World: Rebirth 🦖🔥. Is it terrible? Kind of. But is it the best terrible one yet? Possibly. The guys roast the franchise's refusal to evolve and pitch their own wild reboot ideas—including a post-apocalyptic dinosaur society twist that sounds... suspiciously brilliant 🧬👀.
Then it's off to the heart of geekdom: San Diego Comic-Con 💥🌴. Longtime attendee Alex spills the beans on immersive “activations” (yes, that’s a thing), merch madness, three-hour waits for FX photo ops, and near-death by boba dehydration 😅🧢. We hear behind-the-scenes stories of Scott Pilgrim parties 🎸, elevator awkwardness with Aubrey Plaza & Michael Cera 🚪, and the good, bad, and cringe of celebrity encounters. Plus: thoughts on the return of indie creators and why Funko Pop might be going the way of the landfill 🗑️🧸.
Also discussed:
🎮 The fall of E3 and rise of indie game devs
🎥 James Gunn’s Superman and why we desperately need fun superhero movies again
🎭 Media literacy, hot takes, and the gang’s beef with military propaganda
💬 Fact-check corner, where we confront our sins (looking at you, Saving Private Ryan)
This episode is one part Comic-Con hype, one part Hollywood cynicism, and one part friendship-powered podcast chaos 🎤👾💚. If you’ve ever waited in line for a con exclusive or had a parasocial crisis about pop culture, this one’s for you.
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Tonight, we are doing something a little special.
We're having some boba.
What flavor is that?
Is that, that looks really delicious., actually.
It's her mom flavor.
Yeah, it tastes like your mom.
Your mom's Your mom tastes like mangoes and pmello.
That's very nice.
I learned my mom is Hawaiian.
No.
From Yomi I haven't had bub rice yogurt.
Just the pizza.
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In Convoy, San Diegogo.
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Checks in the mail for that free publicity.
I miss Convoy.
Yeah.
Convoy Mrs. Diego.
Welcome to the show, Guy.
He's It's just the three of us.
We're doing something a little different tonight.
We are talking about movies, Comic Con, the industry in general.
This is one of those bonus general discussions.
type episodes, which I think we'll be doing more of here soon because these are always fun.
This is kind of a free form
You know, the mainline shows are great.
They're very structured.
I feel like we've kind of found our groove.
But I like these because, yeah, this is more of a conversation.
Go ahead.
We're calling it Chit Chat for the Cinematically Depraved.
I like that.
That's a good title.
AI, Chat GPG you could never.
Go ahead.
Does this means that we can throw in any sound bes we want?
I mean, we could always do that.
Throw in the dutwacking.
Yeah.
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No, we need that monkey.
We We need Blinky.
Blinky.
Blinky, I want to get a Blinky plush.
How much does it cost to get that man?
Yeah.
They have some services that do that.
But I'm sure the tariffs figure that out.
I would love to have a blinkie.
It comes with a free pair of 3D glasses that you can put on your blinky plush.
Get it?
That would
That would be pretty dope.
But yeah, so Shipp's a zombie here, Mr. Justin Oldlden, Mr. D Dares, a.Ka.
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And, you know, this is a show where three guys, usually
five guys get together and talk about movies.
Very novel concept I I know.
But yeah, that's why we're doing this sort of discussion because it's kind of a freefor-all.
But yeah, speaking of movies, as of this recording
you know, there's some new movies out and about, Justin,
I believe, you recently watched the latest entry
into the Jurassic Park saga.
Jurassic Park Rebirth?
Is that what it's called?
Rebirth because they need to rebirth it once again.
So what is going on?
I mean.
Jurassic.
We need a Jurassic World abortion.
That's what we need.
So is that what you're saying?
Was this movie a dud?
Was this movie a stillborn?
Tell me about it.
Yeah, so Jurassic World rebirth.
I'm not going to say it's a dud.
However, I am going to say it's a dud at the same time.
Now, out of all of the Jurassic World movies that have
come out out after Jurassic Park 3, they're
pretty much all duds, in my opinion.
Yeah, they're fun, kind of turn off your brain, action,
adventure, with no horror horror elements to it anymore,
unless you call certain scenes horror, I guess.
But Jurassic World Rebirth, I would say, in my opinion, as kind of
the best, the best bad one out of all the rebooted ones.
Wow.
It's It's not the best, but
it's better than the rest if you know about.
From Jurassic World to
Dominion, I feel like rebirth actually gives us a little
bit of a refresher, a little bit like take
a break from a little Chris Pratt for a little bit, you know?
So
yeah, I was going to ask, is anybody from the original six movies in this one at all?
Or is it a whole new cast?
It It's a whole new cast with the
same done to death plot.
And it's it's this in the same continuity as
the original as the previous six?
They do count this as
a candid event for the Jurassic World.
That's so weird.
It just seems like.
It is weird because it's like it's like a
It's like a re-rebooted.
I don't know.
It's a double reboot.
Kind of like, you know, Jane Silent Bob's rebooted thing.
Yeah, well, however, you know, the title is the name is
the name of what they're doing with the franchise.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, I get that.
I don't understand why they need to re-reboot things.
And I hope this isn't like a reflection
of the future of cinema, especially when it comes to summer
blockbusters and things like that.
I actually don't think it is. don't think. they're going to do another reboot?
Like, I mean, they've done Ward of the Worlds like three times
Yeah, that's a good point.
What I'm getting at is simply that this is
such a big IP for them, and I feel like Universal is
just like, well, we can't just not do anything with this specific
IP because we've been doing movies for this now for
30 plus years.
We just have to keep going back to the well.
But that brings I'll you keep going.
But that I want to talk about that a little bit later on as far as originality in Hollywood.
Go ahead, Alex.
I kind of feel like
there's not much mythology,
like very deep mythology per se, like,
say in terms of like, like an IP like Star Trek
or Star Wars or Marvel, right?
It's not this rich tapestry of like things that's going on
It's kind of like isolated and there's not much you can really do.
Like they with the past three, right, they kind of like
did this whole like, um, oh,
we're like the dinosaurs are all over the world now type of deal, right?
I haven't, I haven't seen, I, I stopped watching Jurassic Park movies after the third one.
Well, no, they're not all over the world.
They're just contained to a certain part of the world, which is
uh, uh, was it that Galapagos, whatever.
What is that?
Those islands called the Hawaiian Islands or whatever?
Not Galapagos, I don't know why I said Galapagos.
But no, it's the, uh, it's the
Hawaiian islands that they're all
The way that all the Jurassic Park movies have.
I think the only time that the dinosaurs ever
came to like the United States is once in the
Lost World from 1997.
they go to San Diego in that movie.
And then I think in, it's either Fallen Kingdom
or Dominion where like they have like a similar situation.
I think it was Dominion.
They have a similar situation where one of the dinosaurs escapes
and is actually like rampampaging through.
I thought
you're talking about the third Jurassic World movie where they bring
back the original cast, right?
No, no, no.
The sequel, the second one, Jurassic Park, The Lost
World, the 97 movie.
Goldblum.
Jeff Goldblum, Standalone.
And Julianmore.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so it's like, even then,
like the dinosaurs were contained and they still like,
even in rebirth, they still have the dinosaurs contained, except
this time around, they go to an island or
a portion of one of the islands where the
dinosaurs have been experiencedmented on more so than they did
in like the other three Jurassic World movies.
This one focuses more on like,
oh, what if the dinosaurs were experimented on?
So
there's, there's dinosaurs in this movie, but they're not your typical dinosaurs.
Like, you get not spoiler alert, by the way,
you get introduced, um to like,
Raptors, like near the beginning of the movie when
they actually like touched down on the island finally after
some crazy stuff that happens.
But you're introduced to these raptors.
I think there's like two or three of them that are about to attack one of the characters.
And then they get
and then they get ambushed by these random flying
raptor looking dinosaur things.
And I'm not really sure what they called them.
But Compies
No, they're like, they're like mutated clones.
Like the DNA is spliced.
Like they have they use a lot of spliced DNA with this movie.
So like it's a cool concept.
And I feel like in certain occasions it really really played out well.
And then there's other occasions where it's like, okay, this is like
pretty much any typical like DNA spliced
type of movie where it's like, yeah, we're taking taking this original concept and then guess what?
We're going to splice their DNA with other dinosaurs and things like that.
So you have the all these
different different dinosaurs.
They're still dinosaurs, I guess, but they're all like mutated DNA dinosaurs.
And at what point do these stop becoming dinosaur movies?
Because it sounds like they're just becoming monster movies.
It looks like that's where they're ones.
Especially in this one.
Go ahead.
No, no, go for it.
Go for it.
I was just going to say, a D I just had, because
the trailer for the, I think it was the third Jurassic World movie
opens with like showing like a flashback during the
dinosaur era and you see the mosquito flying around and sucking blood out of the dinosaur.
I actually thought that was kind of cool as a concept.
Like, I would have loved to have seen an entire movie of dinosaurs back in the day.
And like, but there's a story.
Like you could have like
a T-Rex finding its, I don't know, T-Rex baby or something or a stick or any dinosaur.
But it's the whole movie and there's no dialogue.
It doesn't even matter.
There's no human characters.
It's all dinosaurs.
And then, in the last 10 minutes of the movie, you
see a dinosaur, they hear something and then they go the bush and they go over there and they see a human
and then they see a bunch of humans and then it just ends.
And it's like, wait a minute, we thought this was in the past.
No, my friend, this is in the future because
the dinosaurs eventually took over again and then we became kind of
extinct, but not really, but then we're still there.
See, that's that's that's a very first
draft idea, but that's more original than the shit we got in the last four movie.
The dinosaurs speak
in your movie?
No, no, no, no.
No, because we, the audience, the whole time were thinking, oh, this is this
is a flashback to 65 million years ago.
And then, but no, it's actually, I don't know, 65 million years
in the future or something or 65,000, whatever, you know, we'll all be dead before any.
I feel like Zach could work.
I'd love to see that.
I think that would be like, that would be such a fresh, a
bold way to do it, but you know, they'll
never do that because Hollywood doesn't have a spine, you know, like you
said, they keep rehashing the same shit over and over and over and they're never going to stop
You know, they're getting, they're doing all Harry Potter TV show now for crying out loud.
Right.
And it's like, didn't we say enough with
the first seven, eight movies?
Now we got to do a whole TV show for Harry Potter.
Like, why?
Yeah, and this thing's going to be eight seasons today
Are they just, they're the whole story?
Oh, I don't even know.
I don't know, actually.
They are going for.
Is each season a book?
Book one to book seven.
I don't know.
That's another thing.
I don't know what they're planning on as far as seasons go.
They could maybe like
half a season, like one season's like half a book.
I don't know what they're planning on doing, but they could do whatever they want because it's a series.
I will say this.
This isn't new either.
Like, they've been remaking this a lot of the same movies and shows for decades.
Like how many Wizard of Ozes do they make?
And I'm not, I'm surprised we're not.
I feel like we're way overdue for a new one in a way.
It's only a matter of time before they announce a new.
Would you guys consider Doctor Who
Like almost like the same thing where they just keep on, they just have a new doctor?
I't I'm not a fan or I know a
little bit about Doctor Who, but not a lot.
What would you think about that that kind of the same thing that
they just kind of that's more like like James Bond.
Like they just keep redoing a new James Bond every 10 years or whatever it is.
Not really, though.
Right?
Because like
at least with like Doctor Who, they kind of know that other doctors exist, right?
They do They do acknowledge that other doctors exist in this show.
Yeah.
And also the older, some of the older doctors come
on to like the newer doctors shows as well.
I like the idea that I read on Reddit one time where they were like,
every like Bond is just a generic name.
It's just a different person He each time that just uses the coden name Bond.
But but that was, they dispelled that whole thing in
in the Daniel Craig movies, because that's really his like birth name and shit.
But, hey, who knows?
Maybe, maybe we'll get a bond announcement at the
upcoming Comic Con, which I believe, Alex, you are going to.
You and Arnold and is Donnie going?
I feel like Donnie is going, right?
Yeah, Donnie, Our Donnie, Donnie Appleseed?
Yeah, Donnie Appleseed, friend of the show, host of the show.
Yes.
What are you doing to you prepare for?
Actually.. tell me this really quick.
I was watching some TikTok videos about Comic-Con
and this person was talking about how you can do a lot outside the Comic-Con itself.
They have a lot of Wik on it.
Launch-offs or Freakoffs?
Activation.
Activations.
Yeah, so tell me about that.
What is that exactly?
No, this is on you to me.
I don't know.
Yeah, so...
like, they, I mean, they do these, they do these activations like, all around the world.
They'll do them at like in Vegas in the York LA.
But usually it'd be like a studio bringing like a new
property or like even a popular property.
Like I know in Vegas, they do, they did like a
Netflix cafe where they, they had like surf food that was kind of
themed around a bunch of their shows, right?
But with Comic-Con, they kind of were the experience.
It's so they always talk about like
that sort of immersive element type of thing, right?
I kind of feel like while
Disney has been doing that for ages,
Comic Con and the people
behind a lot of the studios were
doing this sort of like pop-up experience immersive
experience that, and
that now a lot of people are doing everywhere, you know?
Like, so say, for instance, they, they do, like
Justin and I, we went to Castle Rock a few years ago.
And it was like that, this experience, the
show, I don't know if it was a Stephen King show or was based around the
Stephen King writings.
But like we went into this, it was like basically a haunted
house, like, like a, like a haunt
right, basically.
And it was themed around like a bunch of like different uh Stephen King
stories stories and we'd just walk through.
And it's basically just to promote this
upcoming show or movie
And then depending on like what they decide
to do, sometimes the experience is just something simple where like,
like last year we went to FX, the
the network effects, and they had a bunch of different
activations all in this cluster.
And the one that we went went to, which we like
I kind of regret going to and kind of not, but I still wanted to go anyways.
It was for the bear, the TV show, the bear.
And
it was cool.
The merch that you got.
But like, so I had gotten inside the convention,
went and bought some stuff that I had gotten tickets for, came
back out and Arnold and Donnie, they were waiting in line for FX to get into the bear.
I finished I finished within an hour.
They were still waiting.
And I got into line and with
them, I was able to jump in line with them.
I later on found out that was like, people were kind of like, hey, you can't be doing that.
Like, I didn't know.
But they are they were saving my place for me, so what are you going to do?
And anyways, I got, I went we in there and
we waited for another hour and a half.
only to get in there.
Oh, so it didn't even matter.
Yeah, exactly.
So I waited waited another hour and a half.
We get in there, and it's just like kind of like, like a,
like the size of like a small Starbucks, right?
And there's a couch that's kind of like a, like a booth at a restaurant
and you can sit in there and they could take a picture of you.
There's a sign that is the bear behind you.
It was like, oh, cool, okay.
And I was expecting this like a huge to do, right?
Like the way the castle rock thing was, right?
They give you some sort of like, like something, some o,
like they make you like feel special for getting in there, right?
All you do is they put you in there and they, you're
sitting at a counter and they had
these clohes that were on top of platters, right?
And underneath the clohes, like everybody had like,
the same merch that they got.
And we got, I wanted this apron, this chef's apron that said the bear.
I got a hat that said the bear.
I was like, all right, I'll take it.
I totally for three hours.
I was like kind of waiting for some food or some drinks.
And like, all right, see you guys.
I was like, that's it.
We waited for three hours for that.
And I was like, man, we should have gotten to the, what we do in the shadows part.
At least they had something cooler and they had some other stuff.
I was like,
I. It sounds like that would deactivate you.
Yeah.
But...
I would say like overall, like
a good portion of the B activations do cool things.
Like So it's like a immersive..
Yeah.
It's like this immersive screen.
Where he has like these different immersive experiences and how immersive
they get is up to the studio and how they like like
Shudder is doing this really cool like activation where it's for
clown in the cornfields.
They're promoting that.
And there's going to be like this cornfield thing there
and then yeah, there's a lot happening this year.
Yeah.
The videos that I was watching, they were talking about how they pretty
much take over like all of downtown San Diego because,
you know, all this stuff requires so much real estate to,
you know, to set up all these booths and activations and and whatnot.
They pretty much call it a campus
Yeah, the San San Diego
Comic-Con campus, where it's like you have the convention center
and the immediate surrounding spaces.
But then, like, you cross the street and then there's
hotels and like storefronts that are empty, but they get taken over by
studios or comic book production companies or whatever.
And then they do pop-ups, you know, or and then the people
were throwing parties and all these things.
And like I just found out last night that Justin,
like one, like one of the the groups that we've seen
together often was on in Montaguchi.
They're playing this year at
the House of Blues to promote like the new Scott Pilgrim.
Wait, is that Do you like, What was that, Justin that you don't like them?
No, I love them.
I've seen them like
almost every time I've seen them, I've seen them with Alex.
I think I've seen them. two or three times now.
Yeah, I think it was like twice. least.
I think it was twice, yeah.
Dude, they're great.
They're amazing performance.
And it's free.
Damn, dude.
Alan Muchi's great.
Yeah, Scott Pilgrim's great as well.
You said there's a video game coming out?
Yeah, there's a new video game called Scott Pilgrim.
I think it's EX or X.
Interesting, yeah.
It's continuation of a storyline.
Oh, interesting.
From the kind of similar to the
I'm not really sure.
I actually want to go to that panel.
That's one of the panels I want to go check out.
Damn.
Yeah.
You'll have to give me some deets on that later.
For sure.
Alex, would you say that San Diego Comicon is like the premiere Comic-Con?
Because I feel like there's cons all over the country
every year, but this sounds like it's the top shelf Comic Con.
Is it?
I would say that
a lot of comic conventions
either ape entirely the
San Diego Comic-Con repertoire
or they have taken a lot from it.
But there's nothing that really is conducive
to the nature of the Comicon,
San Diego Comic- Conon experience.
Like, you couldn't, like, they keep on,
every year they keep talking about like, oh, they're going to move to a different city.
Are they going to move to another city
I don't think it could have the
same feeling in like Vegas or in LA or
New York because the city itself lends itself to
what it is known for.
You know, like not just the actual convention itself,
but yeah, you could take that convention and move it to Vegas or move
it to L.A and still have that function properly, right?
But
you can't have the campus like it does.
Like, if you try to move it to L.A., it's like,
no, it's too hard to walk around.
Like, with San Diego Comic Con, it's so like,
it's so easy to walk around in downtown San Diego and go to things.
and not feel like weirded out or sketched out.
You know?
Yeah.
Vegas would just be too hot this time of year.
Oh, yeah forget it.
You know, like, to kind of go off of that real quick
like, I can imagine Comic-Con coming to Vegas.
However, I don't know.
There's something about the San Diego Convention
Center that is just so much different
from any other convention center I've been to, even Anaheim Convention Center.
And I really like the Anaheim Convention Center.
Yeah, me too.
It's just, there's something about the San Diego Comic Con Convention Center
that has so much familiarity,
even though I have not gone as much as you guys have, but
every time I go back, it's like riding a bike.
When I go to the convention centers here in like Las
Vegas, even Anaheim or the Los Angeles conventvention Center.
I am lost all the time.
Parking
like relatively difficult to find.
In San Diego, yeah, the parking is like a premium price most of the time.
But at least I know where to the hell I'm going.
At least I know where to lead to, you know, where to walk to.
And then in Vegas, I feel like it would drive in a completely different crowd.
And honestly, I don't think I've ever seen or I've
ever been to a convention that resonated with me as much as San Diego Comic Con.
Because like, like anytime like a comic convention is mentioned
comes up or is in town, even
here in Vegas, I'm just like, man,
you know, I wish I could go to Comic- Con this year.
Even now, I'm like, I can't go this year.
And I'm like, man, I haven't been able to go to Comic-Con over the
last like three, four years, maybe more.
Oh, yes, I haven't gone since pre-pandemic.
I haven't gone to that convention.
So since 2019, I think that was my last one.
And anytime something like that is
mentioned, I'm just like, San Diego Comic Con.
I'm like, I don't, I've been to Los Angeles for their comic convention
And it's just not as memorable.
I've made more memories at San Diego Comic Con than any other convention.
All the other conventions.
Like they're cool and all.
Like, they're great.
There's something different.
There's something magical.
Absolutely magical about San Diego.
There's a certain Gene Saisoix to San Diego.
Well, you know that G quoi?
Part of that.
Gene saoix is that close proximity to the water.
You're like right at the marina.
So it's like, I think that's why it's so conducive to outdoors experiences
because you're right.
You're basically at the beach with no sand nearby.
You're actually at a marina and there's the waves crashing on like the shore and.
But it's not, it's, it's like that gentle, like sort of like, uh, like relaxing.
That's kind of like one of those reasons why I like to go down to, like to the
Seaport village near the convention center, just on my day
off and like just hang out because it's just nice to
be able to walk around that area, just feel the breeze.
Even if it's a hot day, sometimes it's just like, it's better than being like
inland, you know?
Like landlock.
Yeah.
San Diego's a great city.
You know?
If there's any city, if I could ever afford to live in California again,
San Diego would be the spot for me because I love San Diego.
I've said the same thing.
Honestly, I would live in San Diego.
I did.
I lived in Escondito.
That's not the same, though.
Or in Carlsbad.
It's not the same as like San Diego proper, though.
Yeah.
I mean, and hey, you guys
did your own Comic Con a couple times
in the grand old city of Palm Springs.
So I feel like Comic Con runs through your
guys' veins a little bit, you know, because you guys had your own Comic-Con at one point.
I've only been to one.
It definitely influenced us, you know, a lot in what we do.
Is there anything Alex
different about Comic-Con now?
I feel like
with everything going on with the big changes in
the film and TV industryry and just entertainment
across the board, I mean, like, what are the sorts of the changes you've noticed?
Yeah.
Well,
You know?
Well, why while we're, we've
been going, well, I've been going for a very long time.
You've seen this kind of uptick of like Hollywood voming, right?
And whing to be.
Have you ever missed a year, by the way?
Not a year since, uh, I mean, the pandemic.
But everybody missed that doesn't
count because the convention was canceled anyway.
Yeah.
Ah, that's true.
I haven't missed the year since
1999.
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
I don't know that I've done anything consistently
since 1999, let alone go to the same event every year.
That's crazy.
But go on, sorry.
You know, it's not the same event, but not.
Yeah.
It's like Christmas.
It's a different experience every time.
Yeah.
It's like, you know, on Christmas Day, you're like, oh, what am I going to get?
What is like the excitement that when you're a kid, you know?
Like that, that day, what's, what's new, what am I going to experience?
You know, it's that like bright eyed.
I think that's why
why I go of here.
It's like that optimism, that bright eyed optimism
of like something cool happening, you know, something fun
or something and connecting with like other artists, you know, so that's what I'm saying.
But as you were talking about like the changes over the years
I definitely see experience like from
my, the start of my time going to Comic Con till now, it's definitely dipping.
I wouldn't say it's like back to where it was in 99.
But studios
are starting to back off on promoting their stuff.
You know?
They're very, like, like
risk averse to sending,
like, you know, spending the money to like possibly not getting it any return.
Like one of the most notorious ones, which is a shame,
but it's now a cult classic, which which was Scott Pilgrim versus the World.
Scott Pilgrim versus the World, they
went all out at Comic-Con.
They had they had a party there.
They had like all they had all the actors there.
They had had, I remember we stayed
at the hotel where the actors for
Scott Pilgrim were staying at, and I was in
the elevator with Michael Sera, A Plaza.
I bumped into Jason Schwarzman
while I was down during the
party, I met the the drummer and
the guitar player from Scott's band.
Michael Cera, Aubrey Plaza, and who was the other one?
Jason Swartman.
That just sounds like a cocktail of awkwardness, right?
But like in the best way possible.
Dude, so I have a story for that.
Like before I get
into the rest of it, like I'll tell it really quick.
So the way I went I ran into
Aubrey Plaza and Michael Cera.
So I went down into the party
and I was like, oh, because I thought I saw Jason Schman I was like, I'm a go down there.
Because we could see right into the party where our room was.
I'd go downstairs to the party, I just walking around, just kind of trying to see if I could find him.
Because I knew what he looked like.
I knew what shirt he was wearing.
But then I didn't notice him, right?
And then as I was about to like go back,
he comes out of this room, right?
That's like nearby.
And he has a different colored shirt.
He has like an orange shirt on.
But he has he's talking into a cell phone and he bumps into me.
He's like, oh, he's, oh, I'm sorry.
I was like, that's all right.
I was like, whoa, that was so wild.
And then I, amongst
all that wildness, like that year, for some reason I was wearing sunglasses
and I had like, went
into the, like the elevator area and as
I walk, I turn the corner, I see Michael Cerera,
Aubrey Plaza, and their entourage waiting at the elevator,
the same elevator that I was trying to get into to get my room, right.
And
I was, I like, Justin knows,
I don't get, like, I don't Starstruck don't.
I don't get starstruck.
I don't.
But it was just so weird and awkward at that moment that,
like, I was kind of feeling overwhelmed
that when I walked into the elevator with them, you know how when
you walk into an elevator, you like turn around and you face the door?
I walked into the elevator and I just stopped.
And I was facing them.
And I was like...
I didn't know what to do.
And so like, they're like, all right, I'll see you.
They get out of the elevator and I'm like, still
like, I'm super awkward.
You know?
And it was just the most awkward moment
for me that I've ever had with like, celebrities.
And like, I've met,
like, I've I've walked up to celebrities and just been like, hey, what's up, man?
Like, and they thought they, they were supposed to know me.
Like, there was this writer her name's Sam Maggs.
She's really cool.
She's like, written a lot of stuff for like video games and
and, uh, comics.
And every time I've seen her, I was like, hey, what's up, Sam?
She's like, hey, what's up?
And then she, you can tell if she looks at my badge and then she's like reading
it and she's like, like she like as if she she's supposed to know who I am.
Like she's like, what's up?
How have you been?
like talking to me as if she knows me, right?
Like, because I talked to her and
and that's how I've always treated a lot of celebrities.
It's like, I mean, they' there are people.
They're just people.
You know, they shouldn't get like super freaked out about that stuff.
I learned that from you, Alex, because
I see celebrities a lot at my work, and I just, I just go up to them and say, hey, if
they'll be most of the time they'll be like, hey, you want a picture?
I'll be like, yeah, most of the time it's just a
quick meet and greet and then they move on..
But I've learned that from you, though.
I've learned to not treat celebrities like they're to be idolized.
I just kind of like
I'll say hi, if they want to chat, we'll chat.
If they don't, I leave them them alone.
Yeah.
Yeah, just treat them like people.
That's what it should be.
They just want to be treated like everybody.
Too many people have paranormal or paranormal?
Parasocial relationships with celebrities.
They should also have paranormal relationships and celebrities.
That might be more interesting.
That might be better and healthier to have a paranormal relationship with a celebrity than a parasocial relationship.
But yeah, I I totally get what you're saying.
treat him like, because that's what they are at the end of the day and too many people are like obsessed.
Like, oh my God, it's the celebrity culture. is a gone out of event.
And it's even worse now with like these e- celebs, you know,
these TikTok celebs, these Instagram celebs, and it's like, oh, they're not even like
you know, they'll just make anybody famous nowadays.
You know what I mean?
Like, okay, I get a lot of influencers
that come into my work and things like that.
And honestly, I have a worse interaction
with them than I do like a regular celebrity.
Right.
I have a way.
Yeah, they're way less humbled than some celebrities.
Not all.
They haven't been classically trained to be famous.
They need some sort of like structure.
Yeah.
Right?
So.
But, really quick, on the note about studio
and network involvement, you're saying that that's
changed a lot recently, especially recently, right?
I mean It just us taking
Yeah.
Like, like going back to the whole Scott Pilgrim thing, like that notoriously failed.
Like, they spent so much money.
And so that's kind of like, a lot of people point
to that year as kind of like people starting to question the amount of money.
Like, well, is it worth going to Comic- Con?
You know, because even that that during the panel, what they did was like
they took the whole panel to
a movie theater to watch Scott Pilgrim.
They walked over to a movie theater and watched Scott Pilgrim.
Wow.
That would never happen anymore.
You know, and like, like this year
Marvel's not not there.
There, they're going to have a presence.
But last year they
did this big old thing with like, they had the panel.
They had two panels, basically, where one of them, they screened Deadpool versus Wolverine
And then the second panel is where they do their normal,
like announcements of all the new movies.
But this year, they're not there.
I think they're supposedly doing a big thing because they
said Kevin Feige said that
We plan our schedule around Comic Con.
So their plans there, they haven't announced.
I'm sure they're going to announce them soon.
It's supposed to be like something for the Fantastic where people think
it's like going to be a screening, but we don't know.
But yeah, there's, I mean, Disney is going
to be there, but Disney spends a lot of money there in general because they have FX
They have Fox.
They have Disney.
They have Marvel.
They have Star Wars.
So they kind of have to be there in some
sort of form for every single thing they're doing.
Like this year they have Tron Aries, the Predator,
the, what's it, like Predators that I don't know.
But then they have alien Earth is going to be there.
Premie is on my birthday.
But yeah, like..
Oh, which one?
Oh, Alien Earth premieres on my birthday.
August 12th.
Oh, man.
The girl in that is a cutie.
Man, I don't want to like, I hate objectifying.
Like when I first saw that, I was like, shame, shame.
She kind of has that like Bjork, like 90s Bjork vibe.
Yeah, I see what you're talking about.
talkinging about, um, you know, like studios,
like not showing up in a movie studios, not showing up to Comic-Con,
uh, it kind of brings up something that I've seen through the years.
So, um, I don't, I'm not sure how familiar you guys are with
it, but there are a couple of like video game conventions that
have come to pass.
Like the biggest one of them all, which was the
comicic-Con of video games, which was E3 or the
Electronics Entertainment Expo, which is now defunct.
It's no longer a thing.
I heard about that.
Yeah, so like, for the longest time, E3
was kind of hard to get into because you had to have been in the industry
or press or whatever.
So it was actually, for a long time, it's really hard to get into E3.
I
I was lucky enough to go two times, and that was a wonderful experience.
And then like years and years later, I think it was like 2015 or 16.
They decided to open up E3 to the general public.
And they just had like mass turnout
for the first year that they opened it up for the general public.
But
at the same time, like all that was cool and all.
But for some reason, video game companies kind of like
were it got a little greedy on that.
And then I also noticed that the quality of the convention
kind of took a noseive at the same time.
It used to be like you go to these conventions and
before it was like open to the public and you got, I, I
walked out with like pounds, bags of swag
like, anything, anything, Video game codes, copies
of video games, shirts, hats.
You name it. every booth there was giving you something.
It was crazy.
Didn't have to pay for anything except for the alcohol, and it
was pretty cool because you can walk around with alcohol, the convention floor.
What year would you say that?
What year would you say that took place?
When that happened, when I went, was 2009 and 2010.
Those are the two years I was able to go to E3.
And I would say those are peak years.
Like, if you''re getting that much swag going to E3, I would say
that's probably the same as like Comic-Con.
Those are peak
free swag years.
Yeah. ask, because these video game companies and studios are fucking greedy.
That's my cynical take.
They put more effort into marketing than they do into actually
making good movies and good video games, you know?
That's what it looks like to me.
Yeah Yeah.
Like, it just looks like they're great at marketing.
They're always top notch when it comes to
But when it comes to like telling good quality stories like
in the Jurassic World, franchise, for example, I mean,
come on, like, how do you, how do you not put it
in the same kind of effort into that that you do into marketing this shit at Comic-Cons and other stuff?
Yeah.
And it's just kind of crazy because now E3 is defunct
and so is like, which is a pretty big company because
a lot of the companies also separated themselves and they decided
to do online reveals, like online,
you know, world premieres that they like to call it.
So now you you can, which is fine.
I like, I like watching video game
trailers and premieres online.
It's just like having that physical like
meetup with like-minded people, it's kind of sucks not to have
it because the PlayStation experience, the last one was in 2017, and that was it.
And
I don't know.
I I'm not saying that this is something that would happen to Comic-Con.
I don't see Comic-Con going anywhere.
However, I do see other conventions probably
going away because of rising
costs of everything and obviously like promotion.
How do you feel about that, Alex
I don't know.
Would you Would you say that, like,
before I answer that question, would you say that like PAX
is on the video game world or is that more like all
around gaming tabletop video games, independent video gamesers?
So
PAAX is an independent gaming convention.
I don't necessarily see that
going anywhere unless there's a downturn of indie developers.
Right now, at the current moment in time, indie developers
and indie studios are doing better than most AAA studios.
Yes, for example.. answers
Okay, go ahead.
I was going to say, like the
best example for that is a game called
Hell Divers 2, in particular.
Now, that's an indie game.
They're a little bit bigger of a studio, but it's still
there's still an indie developer.
And that game launched with
such a huge player base that
it was hard for them to keep up at first, as far as like service go.
So it's like, it's like, man, that's an indie game.
That's not even a AAA game.
And what do you consider a AAA game?
Well, it's like, if it's a major IP release
from major studios like Electronic
Arts or Blizzard or Activision or Bungee
or, you know, those are AAA companies that make AAA games.
And the AAA experience is is the big blockbuster version
of what like movies are.
Like the biggest games come out like near
fall and winter time, and that's when you going to see most of these AAA games come out.
But like indie developers, they
you know, they don't get the limelight as much, but these days they do.
And I feel like the indie developers have
definitely made their way on pushing AAAs to the side a little bit.
Sideling them..
I think that's good.
I think Indy is the way to go.
Yeah.
At everything is owned by one of a
handful of companies, this is what happens.
So then the artists have to rise up, you know?
Yeah, and they care about what they're doing.
They care because like it's just literally like one guy,
maybe 10 people, and that's it.
The guy that made Stardew Valley, that was one
guy that made that entire fucking game.
One guy made Stardew Valley.
One guy made Minewall's two guys that made Minecraft, but you know what I mean.
And that's that kind of answers a
part of my question that you asked me.
I think that the future of Comic-Con lies
again on going back to the Indies, and that's where they're going.
They're like really leaning hard at Comic-Con
on independenceence, on like smaller press.
Like this year is the first year in a while that
I can't remember the, I think it was Phantographics is back
and they hadn't gone to Comic-Con in the past,
like, even before the pandemic, they stopped because
it was just like, okay, now it's all these big IPs.
They're kind of take up all the floor space.
But now you're what you're seeing is even in the toy world,
like, like something like Funko was like eating up the whole convention, basically
You couldn't like walk around the store, the floor and not see a Funko pop.
I think this year their
lunch is getting eaten by companies like Popmart.
And even a former, former
people from Funko, they started their own companies.
There's a company called Thrilljoy and another one called Rockimoto.
Rockimoto is founded by theriginal Funko
maker Mike is what he's known as.
But he's going more towards like like original IP.
He's getting other IP like astro
Boy, but it's like stuff that he's loved.
He's not just getting, oh, yeah, let's.
Every single movie, let's do a dune pop.
You know what I mean?
Let's like stuff that didn't make sense.
He's actually doing stuff because he loves it.
And I think that's what the whole.
That's the way it should be.
Yeah.
And there's a new studio
Yeah.
s that's coming out called Ignition Press, who's
going to have a pop-up outside the convention so like other people can go,
but they're going to premiere a lot of books there.
And they're former founders of like,
and big names from Bloom Stud, I believe.
But yeah, they're doing this thing and they're
touting it as doing comics in a different way.
So there you go.
Independence are the future.
Yeah.
Do you think there's going to be a Funko Pop landfill eventually?
There already is, I think.
I'm sure there is.
I'm surprised we haven't gotten a Funko Pop big studio movie project yet.
I'm like, I'm shocked at that, you know?
There is a big studio Funko Pop video game coming.
Being announced next week, I' say comic.
That'ap.
I'm actually kind of excited about it, by H.
Yeah.
But I think Funko will survived just because they own so many other like things.
They own like Lounge Fly.
They bought out Mondo, which a lot of people hate
because that killed the whole like repro movie poster thing.
Yeah, they fought Mondo and now they're going more towards like toys
and Mondo, like like prestige style statues
and stuff like that, whereas like they're super expensive.
Yeah.
Everybody's buying everything.
Watch.
One day there's going to be one company and they just own everything.
Oh, wait a minute.
We already have that.
It's called Black Rock.
Brondo.
No, I don't know.
It's got Electrolytes.
But it's got electrolytes.
You got to have them electrolytes, son.
Oh, man.
Okay, good stuff.
Well, yeah.
So, you know, we're talking about passion over prophets.
There's one guy out there right now that clearly
has shown the world how passionate he is, and his name is James Gunn.
And Mr. James Gunn recently made a little movie.
He may have heard of this called Superman.
And I watched it, and I loved it.
and I wanted to talk about it really quick because I was very excited about this movie.
No, actually, I wasn't even excited, I'll be honest with you.
I wanted to see it, but I tempered tempered
my expectations a little bit, right?
And I was blown away at how good of a movie it was
And I know you guys haven't seen it again and I won't spoil anything,
but all I want to say is that it's a fun, fucking movie.
And we really needed that.
A fun superhero movie that isn't like trying
to be dark and weird, like some of the stuff marvel's been
putting out lately, but just something that's got like an optimistic fucking message to it.
You know what I'm saying?
Because I feel like in these times people turn to like entertainment, right?
For like escapism and
and whatnot.
And I really do think this movie has done
that for a lot of people, myself included.
And I highly recommend it.
I feel like
James Gunn knows what he's doing, man.
He knows how to make.
Even if like the story might be a little weird and
dumb in some parts, like this movie does not let down for a second.
It just goes..
It's a comic book.
What can you expect?
Weird and dumb.
And
the beauty of it is that it starts in
I know.
what feels like the middle of the story already, and you're like, whoa.
But then it just, but it works.
It just goes from there.
You know, it does slow down a little bit in the beginning to kind of, you know, set things up, establish some plot points.
But then it's just nonstop from there.
And it's and it doesn't feel exhausting.
You know, some movies, like they do that and they just feel exhausting.
Like, oh, when is this movie going to slow down?
Like to breathe a little bit.
I didn't feel that way with this movie.
I felt like the pacing was top notch
and I highly recommend it.
Even if you're not a big Superman fan, you don't have to be.
I really do believe that people are going to enjoy this movie a lot and
regardless of how they feel about superheroes in general.
Go ahead.
I watched it too.
Actually, just like last night or something.
Oh, you did watch it.
That's right.
And, Gil, I am so agree with you.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I actually. of went in and I was like, okay, I love James Gunn's movies.
Like, Guardians of the Galaxy, I love them.
Like, Suicide Squad loved it.
I'm not the biggest fan of Superman.
And, like, I understand Superman as a whole.
I understand his concept.
And I love that about Superman's concept and design and character flaws and
you know, all that.
But, I kind of had kind of low expectations.
All I knew is, like, I'm going, going to see a James Gunfill
and I think that was what did it for me, what got me
to go to the theater to begin with.
The last time I liked a Superman movie was
Man of Steel, the Christopher Nolan
one.
Was it Christopher Nolan?
Yeah, Christopher Nolan movie.
No.
The Snyder.
Oh, Zack Snyder, not Christopher Nolis, my bad.
Thank you for correcting me.
Zack Snyder cut of
Man of Steel.
No, that was I loved that one.
I loved everything about the Man of Steel.
That was really good.
And then prior to that, I think the last Superman movie I
actually enjoyed was like Christopher Reeves, Superman.
I love those old school campy movies.
Yeah.
That's what I grew up on.
Yeah.
You know, it was the Christopher Ree film.
And I grew up watching the you know, on reruns because I'm not that old.
The original Superman black and white TV show with
His last name was Reeeves, wasn't it?
Yeah, his last Wasn't it his dad?
I think it was his dad.
Yeah.
No, because one's Reeves and one's Reeve.
They weren't related, were they?
Oh, I thought they were were both Reeves.
Well, Let's the kiduck.
Let's's have a research department look into it.
By the way, Justin, really quick.
Can I just bring this substance you're talking about corrections?
Sure.
You You said on our Inland
Empire episode that the old lady that Laura Dern talks
to, that that actress is Laura Dern's mom.
And someone commented on our podcast episode on
YouTube saying that's not her mom, that her mom is some other lady.
Like, I think her name was Diane Ladd or something.
Yeah, she's And I looked it up and that person was right.
Yeah...
Diane Ladd is in Inland Empire, but she's not in that scene.
She's in a talk show scene.
Remember that?
Right.
Well, because when I was like doing research on
that episode, I like one of the fun facts that
came up was like, that was like it said it was her mom.
So maybe I got trolled by it wrong and information, but whatever, man.
A rare correction issued by the Nervousing podcast.
Yeah.
Hey, you know what?
That means that somebody's listening and, you know, that's that's always good to know.
Thanks for your.
We appreciate you erecting me.
We appreciate you guys correcting us.
Let us know when we're wrong, please.
Oh, yeah., absolutely.
Yeah.
There was something one, I don't even remember what episode is at this point.
There was something that somebody said.
I think it was you Justin again, not to pick on you, but there
was one little detail you or fact that you stated in it.
And I remember somebody
later was like, that's wrong.
Or maybe I noticed, I don't even remember what it was, but I
think it's good to have the interaction engagement with with our viewers
and listeners like, yeah, if we if we, and believe me, I'm sure I say shit all the time, too.
That's completely off base.
Let us know.
I I let us know.
I think a lot of times I talked out of my ass
Well, here's the thing.
It's like, I. We all do.
When it comes to, like,
talking about movies, I have this thing where
I love. to like learn about movie facts as I go.
Like, I don't necessarily try to like write them down.
I don't necessarily try to like
save it for later on my computer or whatever.
Right.
I'll go into it, read about a bunch of effects,
try to do some like history chick it.
But whenever I'm like in a discussion with it, I like to
even though I have my phone on me, like I
can go and like research research things right now, but I like to
do some gymnastics with my memories sometimes when
it comes to movie trivia or just movie history in general.
And the things that I remember, I will try to bring up.
Now, maybe that might not be correct, but it also allows me
because that's how I learn.
I learn from my mistakes, if I may own, that on some factual or.
Honestly, I'm the same way.
I't.
I'd rather itare.
Yeah, I try to prepare for this show mourn now than before.
Before I just, I used to just wing it most of the time.
I would much rather be corrected
and admit that I was wrong than to, you know, have a h to die on.
So if I'm wrong, yeah, cool, I'm wrong.
Let us know.
Just, you know, correct me, please.
Maybe that be that'll be a segment.
I mean, there's no reason and there's no reason for us to get upset about it, right?
There's like, why, why?
Like somebody pointed, like told us we were wrong.
It's like, okay, we're wrong.
Yeah.
I mean, even when it's just your opinion, like that's saving Private Ryan video I did,
I got a lot of negative comments for that.
Like, this is a shit take.
It's a garbage take, this, that and the other.
I'm like, hey, it's just my opinion, bro.
You don't have to agree with it.
That's just, that's how I feel.
I'm not trying to troll.
I'm not trying to rage but.
I real, I'm really not.
Like that Tom Hanks video, and I'm being honest here, I've
been thinking about that for like over a year at this point.
Because I love that movie.
Saving Pride Ryan, by the way, is one of my favorite movies, Tom Hanks one of my favorite directors.
Spielberg, one of my favorite
Tom, one of my favorite actors.
Excuse me.
Spielberg's Dan, I'm wrong about that, too.
Spielberg's one of my favorite directors.
And I thought, wait a minute, after
all the stuff they go through, Tom Hanks's character, he just comes off as kind of an asshole.
And I was like, I was originally going to do an article about it.
I was like, you know what's better a video.
Let's get it out.
And let's get it out on videotape
And a lot of people did not agree with my tape on it.
And by the way, I agreed with your take, though.
Thank you.
I think you had a great take.
And I think people take that movie like too seriously.
Okay.
It's rooted in reality, but it's a movie.
It's a fional. character.
Ryan is a fictional character
None of that happened.
I like your take on it, though.
I feel like people are who claim,
like, yeah, this is a real time in history that it's based off of.
But, but
I think your take on it is
understandable and makes a lot of sense.
I think everybody that commented on that didn't take that into effect.
They, oh, oh, yeah this is a real thing that really happened Ta Beddale.
And it's like, damn, I like, calm down.
It's a movie, bro..
Let's normalize critiquing beloved franchises.
Exactly.
Let's And here's the thing.
Like, when you're giving a hot take or a critique
you're not telling telling people
this is this is fact.
Absolutely.
This is just your take.
And
maybe we should take a second look at at it.
It's like, oh, you consider like we should we
should be willing to take into consideration
other people's opinions, right?
Like, you don't have to take them as your own opinion
but that's that's what empathy is all about, right?
It's like, I could empathize with your idea
of like what you thought of saving Private Ryan.
It was like, I haven't seen the movie, so I couldn't
say that either or.
But
I can get it.
Like like from what you've talked about and explained
in that in your little short little video, I
was like, that kind of makes sense.
I mean, yeah, he's like, why would you
like, what's what's the, like, there's certain secrets that you kind of want to hide
for a reason, but then you're like, that
seems so minor, you know?
In order to like protect somebody
And you know, and then the other thing is, as much as I love the Superman
movie, by the way, going back to that, I even said in my review of it, available
now in our social medias, I even said, hey, there's a couple of plot
points that are a little too convenient, but it works as a whole.
And it's true.
There's, and I won't say what I want.
Justin, maybe, you know what I'm talking about, but there's a couple of
like very contrived plot points.
And when I was watching, I was like, really, bro?
But the whole thing works as a whole, like
all the pieces come together, even if it's not 100% perfect.
It's still for me
a great movie, and I still want people to watch it, you know?
It was a fantastic movie.
Yeah.
And I agree with you on the same points.
I have never loved a Superman movie.
I actually love this one more than Man of Steel.
Yeah, there you go.
This movie is amazing.
Oh, and circle back on that.
George Reeves Reeves,
who played the original black and white live action Superman,
is not related to Christopher Reeve.
And it's literally that one letter because I
didn't realize, I thought it was Christopheropher Reeves?
No, it was just Christopher Reeve.
And George Reeves has the S. And I'm like, fuck dude.
What a funny coincidence, huh?
Well, there we go.
We were I figured it out.
I was wrong.
We were both wrong.
And on that note, going back to my saving
private Ryan Hot take, by the way, I say in that video that
the Nazi soldier that they capture is the same one that comes back
and kills more of their men and I show a
clip of him doing that, not actually killing him, but like, you know, from that scene
As it turns out, though, it's two completely
different characters, two completely different actors.
And the reason people were able to, I didn't believe it at first, but
somebody was like, no, look at their lapels.
Like the original guy has like a certain Naziignia,
and the other guy has like a German soldier It's a complete different insignia
And it's and if you look at the IMDb, it's two different actors.
They're just both happen to be bald and they just kind
of look, but they're not the same guy.
So the first guy Steamboat Willie is the guy that they can't remember the Steamboat Willie.
He's the one that.
Yeah.
I you haven't seen it, I't know, by the way.
It's crazy because it's such a good movie.
We're going to watch that movie.
Steamboat Willie is the guy that Oum be
friends as he's digging the hole and all that, and then they let him go.
But the guy that kills him, Mellish,
the Jewish character, later on in the movie, that's not Steamboat Willie.
That's a whole different character
who just happens to be bald and kind of looks like him himself.
I didn't know that either.
I thought it was.
I told you.
I was blown away.
Wow.
Because he walks down the steps and he looks at Upam and he just kind of like keeps going.
And I'm like, oh, because he knows Oppum.
He's not going to kill him because he probably remembers that.
He let him go.
He helped him out and all that.
But no, he just.. up was just terrified, and that's why he just let him
you know.
You know, Alex, I'm very glad that we're kind of
sort of being vague on this because you have no idea what the perspective is of it.
But when we finally, we finally get you to watch Saving
Pri Ryan, you'll probably, it'll probably make sense.
But that's a spoiler for me, I suppose, because I'm like, oh, I thought it was the same guy the whole time.
You'll understand.
You guys are kind of like, like.
You'll understand.
You guys are kind of jerking out on a saving Priate riot I
was like sitting here just like dozing off like, uh.
I was like, I don't know what this movie's about.
It's like It's so good.
I'm surprised you haven't seen it.
That's like one of the biggest.
Like we said, you.
Wait, who doesn't like Vin Diesel?
Oh, that's.
He's good in that movie.
You know what?
I'll give him a pass.
That's what I say.
For all the five minutes, he's in it, Go ahead, Alex.
Here's the thing, though.
Like, you and I have admitted, like, we aren't very
big fans of like military propaganda
So.
No.
That's the whole reason why I don't, I haven't watched a
lot of military movies. haven't.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Even Westerns to me, have
that sort of like, like rugged individualism
like thing going on with it that I don't really agree with.
It's like, no, you're just trying to push it a narrative.
Tomb's kind of Tombstone's kind of sort of like a brotherhood in a way.
Well, yeah, yeah.
But like that was one that was like, I felt was more enjoyable
You know, like I gave the chance.
And I think like stuff like, say Jango
and Shane really kind of like pushes away from that sort of thing.
And while it is awestern, it's also about like a
black man who was a slave, you know?
I think when it comes to genre, context matters, right?
Like, who is making this movie?
What's the story they're trying to tell?
Yeah, why are they making it?
You know, like Spielberg made, because Spielberg's a huge World War II nerd.
You know, his dad was a World War II veteran, I believe.
You know, World War II
is like a big, big thing for him.
And as it is for a lot of men, I think, from his, you know, age group.
So context really matters.
And some movies, like John Wayne movies were blatant,
you know, a pro-American, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, kind of bullshit.
But like a movie like Tombstone doesn't have that feel to it, I think.
And a movie like Saving Prior Ryan doesn't have like
that pro-military propaganda vibe to it.
At least.
I don't think so.
But yeah, I think context always matters when it comes to that sort of shit.
I don't, I don't think saving prio Ryan
is a promilitary propaganda..
I think it is a story about
a group of guys caught up in one of the worst situations in
history.
Yeah.
And it's a brilliant movie.
And we should do that next.
I feel like that's where I kind
of like I kind of lump everything together.
Whereas like, I understand like
a movie like Tombstone.
It's about a brotherhood.
Saving Prideate Ryan is about, you know, a group of
guys trying to say..
It's a brotherhood as well, in a way.
Yeah..
Jang and Shane is about a black black who became
you know, this outlaw, you know, right?
So Badass.
You know, So it's kind of like one of those things where it's like, yes,
I, you know, instinctually kind of, uh, it's all the same.
I understand the concept that there are those
things that there are those movies that do push that narrow narrative, right?
But there are those movies that don't, you know, and so like
I understand that I shouldn't do that so, so often.
It's hard for me to do that, to not be able to go instinctual.
Well, you still got to watch St Pride Ryan, because I'm telling you, man.
It's a good one.
Like Even if you don't really like war movies, it's definitely
really good.
I mean, Steven Spielberg.
It's a wonderful movie.
Tom, every time I watch it, Tom Hanks makes me cry.
That one scene where he cries makes me cry.
That one scene where he's talking about his wife
and he'll never be the same again when he gets back to her.
Even now just talking about it, like that shit makes me even like that's how good that movie is.
So yeah.
Highly recommend it, Alex
All right, guys.
Well, I think we did it.
Hey, let's talk about, let's wrap it up really quick.
Talk about the things that we're looking forward to today, tomorrow, and beyond.
I know personally, uh, if you guys haven't
seen the trailer for a Project Hail Mary starring Ryan Gosling,
I am so hyped for that movie because I read the book
last summer, maybe the summer before, I can't
remember, but the book was fucking amazing.
Andy Weir, the same guy that did The Martian,
and he also wrote another book.
I can't remember the name of right now,
which I also enjoyed ironically.
But anyway, Project Hail Mary was the big sci-fi book of the year
that year, and I read it and I loved it.
And the movie, the trailer looks fantastic.
Don't just ignore the people that are saying there's spoilers in in the trailer.
There's not really spoilers because the spoiler they're
talking about actually happens in like the first 100 pages of the book.
So it's not really a spoiler.
The book is like 400 some pages long.
Hype for that movie, and I saw the teaser
when I went to go see Superman for Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey.
Not much really going on in that teaser, just a couple of quick clips of people talking.
What's his name of the play Spider-Man now looks a little out of place.
Tom Holland looks a little out of place because he's such a babyfaced dude.
But
you know, it's Christopher Nolan.
How can he not be hype for Christopher Nolan?
So those are the two things I'm looking forward to the most in
the coming months slash more than a year from now.
Justin, what do you got?
What are you excited about?
What are you hyped?
You know, I'm excited for the Odyssey as well..
I just saw the trailer during Superman, and I'm actually really stoked about it.
I love the original Odyssey movie.
If you guys have never seen it, like that movie is classic.
It's such a good movie ads.
Probably graphically unenhanced
with the clean Claymation and everything.
But the original The Odyssey was a fantastic movie.
I've read the.
I didn't read the book.
I read the screenplay for it, though, which was pretty cool.
Did that in English class.
But as far as like horror movies go,
it looks like we're going to have a pretty light year as
far as horror movies are concerned.
Really Most of them?
You think so.
Most of them have already released, but I am
but I'm just going to say, I'm excited for the
last iteration of The Conjuring movie, and I'm excited for it.
So I didn't really like the previous one.
The Devil Made Me Do it.
It was okay.
Like, it had the same, I guess, feel to it, but it wasn't quite the same.
And that's because the director, James Wan didn't
really have anything except for executive producerser credits.
So usually I always say, if it's not directed
by James Wan, it's not going to be good.
But the contrary.
Here's not James W.
You're not Guan.
Yeah, you're not Quan.
So at
least he's coming back to direct this final iteration of The Conjuring
with Ed and Lorien Warren in their, I guess, final
their final case that they had to deal with.
But on top of that, I'm actually kind of sort
of, I'm surprised, but I'm pretty stoked for the Black phone 2.
which should be coming out pretty soon.
I love the first black phone.
I did not like the first one.
I thought Ethan Hawke was amazing.
You didn't see his face ever.
Ethan Hawke is great.
Yeah.
I thought I thought it was an incredible movie
And then I guess
I guess I'm kind of excited for the next Saw movie.
They're still doing those?
Well, here's the thing, is that like they kind of had like a
how do I say?
They kind of had a reimagining
when it came to the last Saw installation.
And I've seen all the Saw movies.
That had Chris Rocken name, right?
No, no, no, no.
That was that was called that one was just called Spiral.
And that was a one-off
It lined up with the story
of Saw Was it with its own Spiral was not good.
It was.
So I've seen, like I said, I've seen them all.
They've made like 30 of those movies.
My favorite ones are the first three.
They're pretty good.
And then all the rest of them sucked until 10.
And then when 10 came out, I was like, all right, this shit's so good.
It was such a good, good story.
Yeah, what?
I'm pretty sure I gave them after like the fourth or fifth.
Yeah, 10.
There's 10.
There's 10 and they're about to have an 11th very sick.
I knew they was free.
I didn't realize they got me as far.
Oh, God.
There is 10 and I'm just going to say this.
Watch I would honestly, I would highly recommend to everybody listening.
Just watch the first twoaw movies and then go watch 10.
Don't bother with the other ones.
They're cheesies.
They're corny.
They're not really well.
And it's all the same.
No, 10 is good. 10 actually has a really
nice like story to it. a nice plot and
some pretty insane moments that I was kind of taken aback by.
I was like, anyway
yeah, and pretty much,
that's what I've been, oh, an evil dead burn.
I'm excited for Evil Dead Burn.
I didn't.
Okay.
I Evil Dead Rise was pretty good.
It's not my favorite.
I actually much prefer the..
Is Raimi directing that?
Is he behind all those ones too?
I think he's been behind on all of them.
Yeah.
I think even
Now Rami's great.
Evil Dead Rise, he is a part of and Evil
Dead Burn, I'm sure he'll continue on with that one.
I think, like, honestly, Evil Dead Rise was pretty okay.
I think, a little overhyped.
But I do like the, I
think 2010 Evil Dead movie.
That one was perfect for me.
Yeah, it was a reboot, but it was perfect.
What?
Did you like the TV
show?
I never was a show?
It was called Ash versuss the Evil Dead.
I never actually.
I don't know.
Something about it didn't really.
Yeah.
I don't don't.
Sam Raimi.
He's such a filmmaker through and through.
Like He's a filmmaker's filmmaker.
Like, the guy just knows how to make movies and he, and he knows how to do him cheap
At least he used to.
I don't know about now, but like the guy's just like,
he's got film running through his blood, you know, the way he makes movies.
It's great.
Yeah.
I have a lot of respect for him just on that aspect alone.
Yeah.
All right, cool.
Well, thank you for that, Justin Alex.
What are you excited?
What are you hyped for, my friend?
Obviously, Comic-Con.
San Diego Comic-Con is next week.
Obviously, by the time werelease this, we were planning it
on releasing it the day before preview night, right?
I think it's we're releasingasing out a Tuesday, this coming Tuesday.
Yes, sir.
Wednesday
So if you're catching this, you're probably either going
to catch it while I'm making plans to do
stuff or I might be at a party for yesterday.
We released at midnight on Tuesday, so you'll have had all of Tuesday
to listen to this episode and try to try to track me down.
But like, just
to piggyback on what Justin said, like, actually thinks
me quite honest, I'm shocked that like
you said that horror is kind of slowing down because
that Comic-Con, they seem to have a lot of horror going on, though.
Horror is one of those genres that they pump them out so quick and so fast for any franchise.
It's crazy.
There is a move.
That movie
Go ahead, Justin.
No, I was just going to say, so when I mean light,
it's like it's like things that I'm automaticicallyically
just interested in, like from the get-go.
As far as like Blockbuster horror movies go,
like, I'm excited for like the Con.
Like those are those
those are like the. movies I'm excited for.
When it comes to the independent stuff, honestly, I
don't even get to see it most of the time until I see a
trailer for it, I'll go to theater or it comes off streaming.
Or like, I like going on Shudder in particular.
So yeah.
So yeah, this year, like you mentioning Shudder at Comic-Con.
Shudder's celebrating their 20th year anniversary
They' going to 20 years?
Yep.
They're going to have an activation.
I thought they were like in the last five years or something.
I don't.
I''ve been around since like.
Netflix.
Netflix started in like early 2000s, mid 2000s.
Right when they started I don't know started streaming.
That's interesting.
But there's a lot of horror going on there.
There's the of the Allison
Allison Brie from Community and her husband.
They're're doing that movie, that body horror movie, T together, being together.
Is it being together or together?
They're going to be showing that.
Neon is actually screening a bunch of stuff.
Legendary is coming back for, I think, one of their movies.
But I think, they're actually.
It's not a horror movie.
I'm wrong.
But they are coming back for the first time after almost 10
years or almost 10 years being gone.
They're having a naked gun movie is going to be there.
Oh, that looks great too.
What I'm looking forward to at Comic-on
Toxic Avengers, that's going to be awesome.
Peter Dinklage..
Is that DC or Marvel?
I don't even know.
It's not either.
It's either Troma.
It's a Troma film.
Oh, really?
They're reb.
Yeah.
I don't know why I thought it was a superhero Frenchise.
Yeah.
Well, it technicer doesn't mean Marvel.
That's my boomer mind, I think.
Even though I'm not a boomer.
That's I mean Okay, boomer.
What is the anime Groku or Goku?
Why don't you even take this dollar and go buy yourself a Star Wars?
One piece, I'll give you five pieces right here, kid.
That's dumb.
But yeah, I'm looking for that one. forward to that one, that looks great.
The trailer looks awesome.
What's Elijah Wood is in it.
He plays the villain.
Oh, nice.
Oh, my God.
He looks so crazy in that.
I'm looking forward to that.
I'm looking forward to alien Earth.
That looks awesome.
They're going to have a panel there.
And they're going to have a really cool, like
activation thats what you're talking about.
They'renering with this company called
Shane, who does these like their own versions,
sometimes also partnering with chain restaurants.
Like they've partnered with like Taco Bell, Pizza Hut.
They should do their shrimp fingers from
Beetlejuice.
Is Alien Earth in the same universe as Alien Romulus, or is it a fall-up or what is it
No, not necessarily like the same universe.
Well, okay, it's the same universe in general, but it's a different time period.
It takes
place during, I believe, like when
the Alien vs. Predator movies were like around.
If I'm
if I'm correct, let me look it up real quick.
I feel like they're setting that up.
Yeah Right?
I feel like they're setting that up because like
Disney owns Fox and Fox own both Predator and Alien.
Okay.
Why wouldn't you?
They've already have this long legacy of like Alien v.
Predator comic books and toys, and they' even still did the movie.
So.
So Why not?
It takes place before the Alien movies, the original
alien movies, it, but it takes place after Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
So write smack in the middle between the first Alien movie
and Alien Covenant.
Oh, an alien Romulus takes place after the
events of the first alien movie..
Exactly.
It's in between Alien and aliens.
It's so weird how they decide all that.
It's just confusing, but whatever.
Honestly, I hope they keep their track record going
because they've been doing a really good job with the Alien Series lately.
Yeah, is great.
I didn't really like COVID it too much, but, you know,
they're doing a good job with what they're doing right now.
Yeah.
I'm looking forward to,
like I said, the Toxic Vendor, but I might miss it because
if I get into the, not the party, but the
show, the concert with Anna Managucci, which runs at
the same time, I probably will miss it.
Actually, the ticket pickup for Anamanaguchi
is happening at the same time as the Toxic Avenger panel.
So I might have to choose between like either
doing something later that evening or doing something right at that moment, we'll see.
But I'm really looking forward to the Anamanaguchi
show at Comic-Con
I'm also looking forward to.
Hopefully, I might miss this as well, but hopefully
getting into the panel where Giro
D Toro, George Lucas are doing
a panel and George Lucas is previewing his new museum
that he's creating.
It's like, that's Yeah, that's why he's there.
Chris, you can't get that man to come out for nothing.
And on top of it, guess who's moderating that panel?
Queen Latifah.
That's a way.
Wow.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
It's such a wild, like panel just to have those three.
You know?
I'm all for it.
I love Guillmo del Toro, obviously George Lucas.
Betweening Latifa, I loved her like a few of her songs.
I loved her in Living Color.
You know, that TV show.
Other than that, I don't know.
What about the reboot?
Taxi.
Was it Taxi, Taxi Driver?
Was that the one with Jimmy Fallon?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
The better one is bringing down the house with Steve Martin.
She's like, you exponge my record.
And Steve Martin's like, consider yourself sponged
I love that movie..
Oh, my gosh.
Anything with Steve Martin is gold.
Come on.
Oh, my gosh.
But yeah, what else I think I'm excited for?
That's currently
all I'm thinking of about.
I could I mean, Comic-Con is just so much in the foreground right
now that that's occupying so much of my time and
space of like what I want to do, what I want to buy,
what I don't have enough money for, but I wish I could buy
I got a question for Alex.
What's up?
Are our
listeners and watchers or both?
Are they going to be seeing some cool little fun
videos from you guys while you're out there?
Oh, you do. definitely will be.
Like, I think we're going to do
some daily videos.
Blow me up, Alex.
I think they're going to see us getting
our, you can see us do our fit checks for our C.
Fit checks.
Oh, yeah.
It needs to be a good show us what you're wearing before you sleep.
No, I'll just get a gu ready with me.
Get ready with me.
I'll stand with remain just my boxers in the socks.
It's like, this is the top.
Alex, you tolo style.
Oh, Dickie's shorts
with the yeah, with the Dickie's shirt and then like the socks,
the high white socks with the fucking slides.
So Arnold Donald and I, we were planning on doing
the Beastie Boys from
Intergalactic.
We were going to cosplay that.
But we didn't know if we would have a hotel nearby because
I told I told them, I won't do that unless we have a hotel because that thing is hot.
Remember Justin, when we wore those?
Yeah, I remember.
Halloween.
It was freaking hot.
The working men
Are you?
You know ghost ruses.
Oh, it's the working men going down there. you start a band at this point.
Maybe you don't know how to play music.
Yeah, no, but we were call it.
Yeah, the working guy.
Like the intergalactic
cost costume and like walk around with a boom box playing
Beastie Boys andgalactic and do all the poses.
Justin, I like that
as a resident white guy, you are a man of the culture, my friend.
Thank you.
I don't know if that's a compliment.
No, it is.
It totally is.
I'm scared.
I'm scared to take certain compliments for this day and age being a white man and all.
Well, yeah, that's true.
I didn't even think about that.
Good stuff, guys.
We said we'd only do half an hour and here we are an hour and almost an hour and an hour.
An hour and a half.
Oh, but this is good.
This is good discussion.
This is good stuff to use, you know, to use for the socials.
But hey,
I think we did it.
Lots of stuff to look forward to, even in this crazy
day and age where TV seasons go
two years before they release anyone and you only get five episodes and
movies are all just remakes of other movies.
There's still good stuff in between.
You got to search.
It's like the band at Walmart with all the the
crappy $5 movies.
There's some gems in there, guys, you know, that's what you got.
You got to sift through the gems.
Yeah..
I don't know why I'm doing this, but I like it.
Real talk.
I actually did that.
Let me see.
I have a
My stack.
You have a bin of $5 DVDs?
Oh, I have a stack of two.
Yeah, Show your haul.
Let's see your haul.
So my latest book off haul
at the bargain.
The bargain section.
I got Big Hero 6.
Ah.
Wonderful movie.
The mom is hot.
It's a sequel.
Planet Terror.
Ooh Wonderful movie.
I haven't been watched it years.
I need to watch that.
And the double feature one when it first came out,
when Planet came out and was was Death Bath.
Wonder movie.
Death.
No one ever talks stand alone enough when it comes to Tarantino.
Season one of The Office
Oh, love it.
See Office coming back season.
Season five of The Office., yeah.
That's like peak Office right there.
Southland Tales, the only good role
that Dwayne the Rock Johnson ever had.
Every other movie, he sucks.
Is that the guy from American Pie?
Yeah, yeah.. is the same guy who directed Donnie Darko.
Oh.
We got to watch Self Lentales.
We got to watch that.
It's actually a really good movie.
Tim and Eric's a billion dollar movie.
Oh my God.
So jealous movie.
Yo, how much you want for that?
Dam, man.
Itin't.
I was surprised that I found this.
Sounds like shrimp.
Yeah.
looked No, I'm going to look for it.
Oh, Damn.
And then Shrimp!
Yo.
Being a South Park anniversary, I think.
Hell yeah.
The Tr Park and Mexico are going to be at Comic-Con.
They have South Park.
A few meet thems. get them to sign that, man.
Oh, yeah.
And then Team America.
But I realized I. Hell, yeah, dude America.
Hell yeah.
So if you guys. terrorists!
That's such a.
Terrorize this.
I'm so Roundry.
Sorry.
A Round?
I love how that.
I actually went to the panel for Team America at Comic-Con.
Did you remember.
Yeah, and I remember them talking about how this
was a reaction to them making, I can't remember which movie it was.
B it was B
and how they never, ever want to to work with actors ever again.
That's what they said.
And then they never wanted to work with Marionettes ever, ever again because it was the pain in the ass to film that movie.
But then they have one Why't everybody so fucking stupid?
What can they be smart like me?
Well they made one of the biggest fear, like, what do they call it?
The Broadway music.
Broadway musicals areaera.
Oh, yeah, Book of Mormon.
Mormon.
Book Mormon.
Yeah.
I've heard that's great.
I've never seen it, but I've heard it's great.
I someone who lived in Utah for a year.
I have to see Book of Mormon.
Cannon V musical.
Oh, good stuff.
They're great with musicals.
I'm just going to say, Trey Parker, Manstone, they're amazing with musicals.
Even Team America has some like musical Oh, yeah. feelings.
They love it.
South Park has musicals, music
bits in the movie throughout the whole fucking movie, you know?
Blaine Canada.
Yeah.
Blaine, yeah, fucking.
I'm kidding.
I love our neighbors too.
Which is counting canceled in candidate.
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Go watch some ComicCon.
Yeah.